Chapter 1112, "Hard aspects", is officially out now!
Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects
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Franky punched a vice admiral, so that's all I need to say this was a good chapter.
Even though I recently reread One Piece, I feel the need to at least go through a chunk of this arc again. After a 3 week break and how fast things move chapter to chapter, the sense of what is happening and has happened off for me. Besides that, it's been interesting to see how chaotic everything has been, and that despite the ancient robot showing up at the end of the last chapter, there was nothing mentioned or shown of it this chapter. Definitely seems like something that we'll get more focus on once the actual information Vegapunk wants to spread starts happening. Unfortunately, that probably means next chapter will end with the cliffhanger of that starting, only for the break to happen before we get the chapter proper of getting actual juicy tidbits.
As a positive, at least it didn't pan out being one chapter per minute for the countdown.
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Luffy can fly, right, right, he can also become big. Couldn’t he just grab the Sunny with everybody in it and fly outta there?.
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The cover story hasn't advanced much, we can't say where it's going yet. Since Yamato's objective is to travel all over Wano, like Oden did, I wonder what Kin'emon's favor is and where it's meant to take place.
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Vice-admirals keep being fodder. Nice show by Franky and Bonney, sure, but this puts VAs as lesser than a Tobiroppo. Adding cases like Maynard, Bastille or Yamakaji, and the rank ends up very unimpressive. I wonder why Oda didn't use ranks like Commodore or Rear Admiral instead.
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Nice to see York back to the story. She's aware of how precarious her position is, but she's also willing to take action to better her standing with the Celestial Dragons. I wonder what role she will play in this arc yet.
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Kaku and Stussy are back! I asked about Stussy over the last weeks, but I also predicted she would stay behind to deactivate the barrier. But couldn't the Vegapunks use some robot for that? Just leave everything ready and order it to push a button over snail transmission.
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So, Edison jumps down. I hate when Oda does things like this. First, Bonney went through the barrier with no consequences, and now you tell me a severely damaged Edison can get through? I can't believe the navy had no one but Kizaru able to cross it...!
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Again Luffy depowers, and again he eats and gets back. But why isn't he back to G5? As far as we know, he should be able to just bounce back.
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Luffy hurts himself hitting Warcury. Comparisons to Kaido are inevitable, but, like everything about the Elders, I feel something odd about this, like this has its own explanation and it's not just "hardness" or "haki strength".
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I expected Nusjuru to go for the giant ship, but Saturn going up towards the Sunny was a surprise. It makes sense, thought: Mars learned all the info needed with Lucci, and the elders can talk telepathically, so all of them got that info and are acting strategically.
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We also know Sanji is going towards the giant ship, while Zoro and Jinbe are returning to the Sunny. It's funny that the Elder Zoro fans were hyping up may end up confronted by Sanji, while the Elder perceived as the weakest may confront Zoro (with Jinbe's help!). I don't care for powerscaling like that, but agenda wars blowing up on their own fans' faces is always good to see.
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The chapter ends with the Elders all but victorious. Mars is literally in front of his objective and can end this in a second, and with one minute to spare! So, what's going to happen to save the day? Or is the day not going to be saved? Could Egghead truly end in defeat?
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Normally, I would say this chapter raised tension spectacularly, but why can't I feel it like I should? I think it's because Oda has been defusing tension regularly since Onigashima, never allowing it to rise to high, so I'm expecting the villains to fumble their victory in one or two chapters, or for the heroes to be in control of the situation all along and the tension turns out to be a fake out. Let's wait and see... I hope I'm wrong and I get a pleasant surprise.
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remember when Luffy learned an advanced usage of haki where he doesn't need to physically connect his fist against the target ? that technique is most superior, most efficient way to use haki and it's not even a CoC exclusive. it solved the puzzle to confidently attack enemies where it's not wise to touch such as Akainu & Magellan.
why suddenly Oda forgets about that and makes Luffy suffer from crashing his fist just like pre Wano against Katakuri ?
where is post Wano Luffy ? the one who shocked the readers at chapter 1010 ? by using the highest most skillful use of haki possible against the strongest creature ?
that is such a let down.
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@realtenchu In 1093, you can see smoke coming fromBonney, as she falls. She took a lot of damage from the barrier's defense. Just saw Edison get hurt going through it. In 1092, Luffy said he almost thought he was going to die going through the barrier twice.
I don't think the Sunny could survive if Luffy attempted to pull it through that barrier defense.
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With Edison maybe sacrificing himself to propel the Sunny forward by clearing and making a path for it would be neat, otherwise there are toooo many Vegapunks still alive. I hope that all Vegapunk die / get destroyed. My hope is that somehow York is the only one alive and kicking and she somehow ends up with the Strawhats, how? That's for Oda to figure out, but I would love something like this. The fan favourite is obviously Lillith and Atlas, so why not let them "die" and let York ride along with the crew, as a captive. This would accomplish two thing IMO, the Strawhats have a bargain chip incase an ally of them gets captured, so they trade York for their freedom/amnesty and the Marines and the WG have another reason to send their strongest soldiers after the crew, so they can recover the power source for Mother Flame.
Besides my crackpot theory, I did enjoy the chapter. Franky and Bonney doing something and fighting back was good to see.
I loved how Bonney turned a Marine into a child and kicked him, also Franky brute force punching another one without any Haki or laser beams was good.
It just shows how strong he is and I hope that he continues to surprise me in the next chapters.
Luffy running out of energy/food and not going straight back into Gear 5 surprised me.
Was Oda trying to be a showoff and establish the Elders as being on par with Kaido, or does Luffy need not only food, but also time or something else to push himself back into Gear 5?
I don't believe the snail which was found by Mars is broadcasting the message. I've said it in the spoiler thread, but I've read a theory, that the hopefully dead OG Vegapunks antenna is broadcasting the message, it would give Sanji a reason to carry around a corpse, otherwise he would still be alive, which would suck.Anyways, I hope next weeks chapter continues and makes the situation for the Strawhats worse, before either another outside force makes their way to Egghead or, more realistically, the Iron Giant makes himself seen and does something, also only ONE minute left till the broadcast begins, so it should start at the end of 1,113, which would make for a decent cliffhanger for the Goldenweek break.
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@The-Light-of-Shandora said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I hope next weeks chapter continues and makes the situation for the Strawhats worse
I'd hope for it too, but considering the villains essentially won here, next chapter is likely to bring a reversal to it. I wouldn't be surprised if Mars' chase was for nothing, as Shaka may have plotted something with Dragon (a plot point still left hanging). Also, with the Iron Giant already active, it's likely it will get involved with the Elders, releasing some pressure off the heroes' shoulders.
I do wonder what will happen to the Punks'. Edison seems likely to sacrifice himself, so Atlas and Lilith are still available. I can see Atlas falling in the fight against Nusjuro plus Vice-Admirals (still 6 of them available). But Lilith seems like a sure bet for the last survivor.
I do worry about Robin, though. She could be a prime target to Saturn, and she's hurt. I don't think she will die, of course, but bad things could happen to her.
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I thought we had a break this week? It says next chapter in 7 days on Viz
Was I misinformed?
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It's annoying seeing people so worried about Vice Admirals losing. It's completely backwards. Franky is on an emperor crew, has beaten a commander on another emperor crew, and trained two years so get this strong. Remember how Kizaru has been knocking Franky around all chapter. Some might think that as Franky jobbing again, and maybe it is, but he's taken direct hits from an admiral and kept going. Think about that. Maybe it's not that Vice Admirals are weak (and they are. Fuck that shit, it's a rank. Are we really worried about the relevance of freaking 5 chin man? Seriously. Backwards.) but rather that Franky is just strong.
That tangent aside, the 5 elders are really cleaning house. But this, the Strawhat frankly could have overpowered this fighting force with the help of the Pacifista. But, these guys are so strong that they completely reversed the situation. The fact that Gear 3 Luffy can't even injure one of them also makes me worry about the rest of the Strawhats fighting them.
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@Shiebs yes the schedule was always gonna be two chapters once Oda returned from break than Goldenweek
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@hideoushorrendous said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
remember when Luffy learned an advanced usage of haki where he doesn't need to physically connect his fist against the target ? that technique is most superior, most efficient way to use haki and it's not even a CoC exclusive. it solved the puzzle to confidently attack enemies where it's not wise to touch such as Akainu & Magellan.
why suddenly Oda forgets about that and makes Luffy suffer from crashing his fist just like pre Wano against Katakuri ?
where is post Wano Luffy ? the one who shocked the readers at chapter 1010 ? by using the highest most skillful use of haki possible against the strongest creature ?
that is such a let down.
Because, I suppose, Luffy just wanted to punch the boar without any particular reason to use the weird haki.
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@Gizmo said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
@Shiebs yes the schedule was always gonna be two chapters once Oda returned from break than Goldenweek
Cool cool so we have a chapter this week I’m so excited!!!
Glad to be wrong
Thanks again for the response
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@The-Franky-Tank said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
As a positive, at least it didn't pan out being one chapter per minute for the countdown.
This! Imo it feels like we've been zipping thru this countdown a lot faster than some of the previous arcs' time limit/countdown shenanigans...to the point where announcing a time limit/countdown seems silly and pointless. Like, remove the few sentences regarding how much time is left and nothing would change imo. The sense of urgency wouldn't change. Not to me at least.
Also, the whole getting sunny to the water thing...I Immediately thought of nami. If the barrier is going to be down then couldn't she float the sunny down on Zeus? Or remember when she was able to form a road made of clouds way back in punk hazard? something she's never used again? And now I'm sad thinking of all the cool weather related moves nami could potentially be using and how oda has reduced her to spamming lightning 98% of the time tbh I feel like there's lots of possibilities involving multiple strawhats that would work to get the sunny to the sea.
That comment about bonney kicking a 'child' made me giggle. She needs to continue beating up the children and elderly.
Franky!!!!! Super as always!
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Luffy hurting himself while punching someone makes NO sense!
that should've been a thing of the past.
Look at Garp's Galaxy Impact. Why is Luffy so fucking inferior to an old man who long past his prime?
Hyogoro's teachings are out of the window this week. Just like how Big Mom forgot she possess an observation haki during her final battle.
Fighting is my favorite part of One Piece. and these misses hurt me deeply. and they don't seem to have an end. each arc is loaded with its own flaws.
anyways it's sad to have the feeling that none of the Gorōsei will be sacrificed here, instead it's Vegapunk who died while everyone failing to protect him.
I love unique arcs but this is quite a sad one. Finally becoming a Yonko just to triumph via running away while some allies die to make that happen. almost as if Luffy's growth was meaningless since this is the outcome.
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It's good to be back! To be honest, I had a fairly busy April, so it feels like the big break has gone faster than previous years. I thought I would suffer more. Maybe we're all just getting more used to this now-annual tradition. Hope Oda's feeling more rested as well!
This is the chapter that could be the twelfth of volume 109, but I think it's more likely the first or second of volume 110 instead. Both Dorry and Brogy's arrival in chapter 1110 and the ancient robot standing in chapter 1111 are incredible end-of-book cliffhangers, but I think maybe chapter 1111 has a better volume opener, easing into its action with the wordless page of Mars breaking from the barrier while Jinbei looks up, awed. But we'll see, the opening pages here also do a lot to ease a returning reader back into the conflict in its present state. In a matter of panels, Oda reminds us of the Buster Call, Nusjuro's disabling of the Pacifistas and Bonney's power over them, and the giants' goals and location. But it's possible the return from the break was a motivator for this level of restaging as well.
After those opening two pages we're right back into the action. Even if it's brief, it's great seeing Franky get a win. The long tail of his speech bubble running under Redking's legs in the anticipation panel is fun as well. Bonney's methods are pretty funny as well, when compounded with Guillotine's shock despite having witnessed the transformation happen.
Mars is not wasting any time in the Labophase. There seems to be an electrical effect around his blast of energy, but I haven't read up enough on his specific brand of yokai to say if that should be interesting or not. It's cool that we can see the back of Vegapunk's lab here, and the side structures that looked like speakers from the front are plugged full of power and audio cables like speakers from the back too. I wonder how many design elements here were influenced by the knowledge that it would be used to send an important message really, really far.
Stussy and Kaku's dialogue in the following scene seems at odds with Lucci's immediate recognition of and deference to Mars in his bird form a few chapters ago. Maybe he's better at recognising voices than the two of them are, or he may simply hold a higher rank and have gotten more hints about the true nature of his bosses than the other two. I'm sad for Stussy's sacrifice, in part because this arc hasn't at all made the most of her as a character. Her betrayal of Cipher Pol was a compelling early twist, but then she lost her stylish and memorable original outft for the same leotard look every other woman in this arc got, dropped off the map through the middle of the story, just to get finger gunned and now make the ultimate sacrifice. This is a character who's been lurking on the sidelines of the plot for seven years. That's getting close to the point where there, at least in Japanese, the series might have readers younger than she is as a character. A minor character, sure, but I hope this isn't truly the end for her. Oda can offer far better.
That said, I did say a few chapters back that I expected the need for someone in the control room to turn off the dome to be a problem to solve, though I predicted a race against the clock to get on the ship before it launched, not fully staying behind. Careful what you wish for I guess.
And on the topic of sacrifices and problems to solve, I wonder what Edison has planned to help the Sunny make the distance. If you asked me to guess, I'd say something in the junkyard. Not the ancient robot specifically, but I think whatever he's going to get will be the excuse to bring someone from the Strawhats' side in contact with it.
It's a good moment for Usopp rallying the crew here, both to follow the plan and to improvise if it doesn't work. Confident leadership from a once self-proclaimed captain. Good for him.
The squished up Ju Peter head as he swallows the building is hilarious. Being able to capture the shape of the turret embedding in the back of his skull and the wrinkles of everything folding up around it in monochrome with only the white shading on his back body is some great artistic detail. It cannot have been easy to make that read clearly.
The situation gets more dire after this last little win though. Luffy's back in normal form, and even if we're handwaving away the exhaustion effect at the end of Gear Five, Oda is telling us clearly it won't be enough to stand up to the monstrous Elders. Love the detail of his hand still being on fire from Red Roc even as he clutches it in pain from Warcury's deflection. It makes such an absurd visual. The question does have to be asked though: was the sheer power with which this attack was rejected relate to haki, a monstrous ability, the strange regeneration that keeps these beats immortal or something else? It can't just be natural hardness like Kaido's dragon scales - that wouldn't hurt Luffy like this did. There needs to be an energy involved for there to be pain on Luffy's end. I don't want to sound too consipracy-minded though; haki is the most obvious bet. Look back to the moment in the Katakuri fight when they meet fist to fist and Luffy's hands are hurt by his superior haki. There's a similar trembling effect around the the injured hands, and though they were also swollen there, that would be hidden by the inflated fist in this case.
Saturn's spider limbs coming over the edge of the Labophase cloud is a wonderfully terrifying visual, as is the silhouette of the centaur Nusjuro, and each of them so bad for the groups they're confronting. Even with the inevitability of Zoro and Jinbei arriving in time to protect the group with the Sunny and Luffy and the giants close to converging with Franky's team, we still don't know how to deal lasting damage to one of these bastards. You have to hand it to them, as villains, they've all found their way to the worst places they could be for the heroes very, very efficiently, and at this stage no one is expecting any of them to be felled in this arc.
Mars' final scene with the snail just emphasises the 'game over'-ness of the whole last two pages. I don't think he'll succeed in stopping it, the broadcast is the most obvious thing to fulfill the promise of a huge, world-shaking event coming from this arc, but there'll probably be some kind of deception involved in why he can't cut things off from here. I'm curious to see what the inside of Punk Records looks like as well. Maybe it's just big computers, but it would be cool for it to be something with a bit more mad science cred, like a giant brain in a jar.
I'm determinedly not getting my hopes too high for a Toriyama tribute in next week's colour spread. Which isn't to say it's not likely, but I don't want to be disappointed if it doesn't turn out that way. With only a minute on the clock, Mars at the broadcast's apparent source and two groups of heroes being menaced by unstoppable foes, the climax of the arc feels afoot, so it's going to be time to start the big reveals, cavalry calls and final turnabout moments as the 110th volume escalates. Good time to have that post-break momentum, if you ask me!
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
Her betrayal of Cipher Pol was a compelling early twist, but then she lost her stylish and memorable original outft for the same leotard look every other woman in this arc got, dropped off the map through the middle of the story, just to get finger gunned and now make the ultimate sacrifice. This is a character who's been lurking on the sidelines of the plot for seven years. That's getting close to the point where there, at least in Japanese, the series might have readers younger than she is as a character. A minor character, sure, but I hope this isn't truly the end for her. Oda can offer far better.
Goes to show that it's not really about how early you introduce a character, but what you do with them in the long run. And for Oda to have Stussy go from enemy to ally just to get fingered and not appear again until the scene where she proclaims she'll die for Vegapunk is a really weird way to present her.
Even Monet get more showcase back at Punk Hazard now that I think about it. lol
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Finally, the Gorosei are separated. I think the next step is to have Dorry/Brogy and Robonosuke take on Warcury/Peter, so Luffy can have space to take on Kizaru. Zoro/Jinbe making their way to where Saturn is. Sanji currently on his way to where Baldy is posing like some model.
I wonder if the Warlord before Kuma and Kuma's race still plays a role in this arc. 2 more - whoever captured Ginny and the DF dilemma. Could recreate Zoan, synthesize green blood for Paramecia, but Logia was too difficult.
These come to mind whenever Oda has some reveal coming up.
He went away from Robonosuke for this chapter. Does he go away from whatever Mars seen to progress the other events? He also has to start the message now that there are seconds left.
What is this next chapter made up of? Robonosuke, Mars, 1 of the 3 escape parties, oh yeah I forgot Kizaru is depressed on some ship.
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@electricmastro said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
just to get fingered
But yeah, it's a rare miss. Really seemed like she was being set up for something bigger with the betrayal and the clone backstory.
Monet at least made sense as a single arc supporting character. She got a short, self-contained beginning, middle and end that matched the arc's structure. Since Whole Cake, Stussy hasn't really belonged to any one arc. She's got like two beginnings and an ending with no middle.
But maybe there's more to come if she survives after the crew escapes.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
This is the chapter that could be the twelfth of volume 109, but I think it's more likely the first or second of volume 110 instead. Both Dorry and Brogy's arrival in chapter 1110 and the ancient robot standing in chapter 1111 are incredible end-of-book cliffhangers, but I think maybe chapter 1111 has a better volume opener, easing into its action with the wordless page of Mars breaking from the barrier while Jinbei looks up, awed.
I think Vol 109 ends in 1111, and Vol 110 opens with 1112.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I'm sad for Stussy's sacrifice, in part because this arc hasn't at all made the most of her as a character. Her betrayal of Cipher Pol was a compelling early twist, but then she lost her stylish and memorable original outft for the same leotard look every other woman in this arc got, dropped off the map through the middle of the story, just to get finger gunned and now make the ultimate sacrifice. This is a character who's been lurking on the sidelines of the plot for seven years.
I agree, she feels wasted. But I think she will be fine. She still has a DF waiting to be revealed, and she most likely can slip unnoticed and fly away while everyone os chasing the Straw Hats.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
And on the topic of sacrifices and problems to solve, I wonder what Edison has planned to help the Sunny make the distance. If you asked me to guess, I'd say something in the junkyard. Not the ancient robot specifically, but I think whatever he's going to get will be the excuse to bring someone from the Strawhats' side in contact with it.
I've been thinking about this. Edison will likely pull out a creative use of something we've seen before, but I can't figure out what.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
There needs to be an energy involved for there to be pain on Luffy's end. I don't want to sound too consipracy-minded though; haki is the most obvious bet.
I too think there's something more about Luffy getting hurt. It's not haki, I think, but another mysterious ability from elders that we will need to understand in order to beat them.
For instance, in haki clashes you usually get those lightning effects, but there was none of it here.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
Mars' final scene with the snail just emphasises the 'game over'-ness of the whole last two pages. I don't think he'll succeed in stopping it, the broadcast is the most obvious thing to fulfill the promise of a huge, world-shaking event coming from this arc, but there'll probably be some kind of deception involved in why he can't cut things off from here.
I think Mars will stop the transmission. However, Shaka will have deviced a failsafe with Dragon the previous day, so Dragon will start his own transmission instead, far away from Egghead.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I wonder what Edison has planned to help the Sunny make the distance. If you asked me to guess, I'd say something in the junkyard. Not the ancient robot specifically, but I think whatever he's going to get will be the excuse to bring someone from the Strawhats' side in contact with it.
I've been thinking about this. Edison will likely pull out a creative use of something we've seen before, but I can't figure out what.
Maybe something to do with the light solidifier technology (?). If he can somehow make that giant mecha or the kaiju from the beginning of the arc interact with the Sunny as if they were solid, they could replace Vegaforce in the original plan.
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@access-timeco We've seen both holograms and that door that can phase into intangibility, so maybe it could work.
Another possibility is holograms plus the light-touching tech.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I think Vol 109 ends in 1111, and Vol 110 opens with 1112.
There's no bad option between the two, but I think the Elders' reveal in 1110 is a powerful place to end it.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I agree, she feels wasted. But I think she will be fine. She still has a DF waiting to be revealed, and she most likely can slip unnoticed and fly away while everyone os chasing the Straw Hats.
Given that the devil fruit seems recycled from an old game character Oda designed, I'm not expecting any huge story relevance for it. That's the kind of thing that could come up quickly in an SBS. Let's hope you're right about her using her skills to slip away though.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
For instance, in haki clashes you usually get those lightning effects, but there was none of it here.
That's a good point. It might also be something unique to Warcury - Luffy didn't suffer the same pain when he was hands-on with Saturn.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I think Mars will stop the transmission. However, Shaka will have deviced a failsafe with Dragon the previous day, so Dragon will start his own transmission instead, far away from Egghead.
Makes you wonder why he wouldn't just broadcast from the Revolutionary Base to begin with, that being an option. We all want Dragon to come into the plot directly, but that way would be a little bit of an anticlimax.
I think it's interesting that Mars has been made so isolated from the others though. Self-destructing, sealing Punk Records, or blowing it into space to be a satellite with an Elder trapped inside could give the World Government a difficult problem to solve.
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Too bad we saw Dragon is still at Kamabakka, because it would perfectly fit if Shaka's call on the previous day was to tip him on the fact one of the Elders would be going there (if he foresaw the assassination attempt, it was obvious the presence of an Elder was required to prevent VP deploying the Seraphim). Having VP use his assassination as a trap against the Elders would be sweet.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
Makes you wonder why he wouldn't just broadcast from the Revolutionary Base to begin with
In-story: because Vegapunk would draw all the government's attention to Egghead, thus making it sure Plan B had a greater chance of not being stopped.
Out-story: Because Oda wanted the Elders to all go to Egghead. Thus, the first transmission coming from Egghead ensures that.
@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I think it's interesting that Mars has been made so isolated from the others though. Self-destructing, sealing Punk Records, or blowing it into space to be a satellite with an Elder trapped inside could give the World Government a difficult problem to solve.
Well, as long as Mars is alive, the others can just summon him.
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Shaka basically has to have entrusted a failsafe to Dragon. Otherwise the idea of Vegapunk, the smartest guy in the world, having his "in case of my death" broadcast being transmitted from the island he's most likely to be killed at is just... unbelievably stupid.
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@loledinmypants said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
Shaka basically has to have entrusted a failsafe to Dragon. Otherwise the idea of Vegapunk, the smartest guy in the world, having his "in case of my death" broadcast being transmitted from the island he's most likely to be killed at is just... unbelievably stupid.
He probably had no choice there. Since the broadcast used a dead man switch, the snail likely needed to be close enough to activate through his flatline.
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Daily reminder that nobody gets to see or hear Vegapunk's message in this arc. Cope
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@Gear-4-Sauce You mean us as the audience, the crew, the world, or some mixture?
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I think we were all a bit taken away by the spoiler interpretation of the chapter. Whatever is in the room with Mars doesn't seem threatening to him, or immidiately able to stop him from destroying the snail. I bet is just something crazy like Vegapunk's actual brain hanging from the ceiling. It should be huge by now with all the information it's been retaining.
I believe we could hear some part of the transmission, even if it will eventually be disabled like Clover's message in Ohara. If Vegapunk can say something about the Buccaneers and their role in the Void Century it would be grand, tying up Kuma and the rest of the arc together.
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Here’s hoping we get a dragon ball color spread this week
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@Shiebs said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
Here’s hoping we get a dragon ball color spread this week
Here’s that we get Dragon appearing in front of Mars this week. That would be epic. Dragon really needs a win.
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Feels like the most consistent thing about Egghead arc, is fans insisting that Vegapunk have the perfect plan going on that the Elder's are completely doomed to fall for. Getting a little old that fans need Vegapunk to be so unstoppable.
Great chapter with a little bit of nearly every more major group at the moment. These chapters are always fun. The robot gets left out again, but I don't even care about that thing anymore.
There's Kinemon off the Wano travels checklist. I'd guess the favor will involve his wife, maybe helping rebuild the village that got burnt down. Either way, looks like Yamato will be slowly on their way out of the capital. We shouldn't be out quite yet though. I figure we gotta cover Denjiro and Hiyori on our way out of the city. This is definitely a checklist for as many Wano characters as possible.
Nice to see the armada is recognizing the need to focus on the giants at this point. Man, this would be a lot better if the Giant ship was just a Giant Decoy and the crew was gonna blast off in another direction. Oh well. Missed opportunity for a real outsmarting move there.
I don't think I ever really thought about there being another room way up above even the lab. I guess it should make sense. Vegapunk's brain didn't become the dome, it's just inside it. We'll definitely see Oda attempt to draw a giant brain up there with Mars in the next chapter. The question is, what else might be up there with it. It's hard to believe that Mars will actually get the message stopped early, so the most obvious expectation is that there'll be more to stopping the broadcast than just destroying this snail. I guess it's possible the Brain-Punk could just delay Mars be talking to him and tempting him with information, but that seems too simple as well.
York's next move is probably to go release the Seraphim and then take them all outside to join the fight. Gotta keep her from doing the smart thing and going back to make sure the barrier can't be turned off of course.
Finally we get the next Punk death setup. I figured Edison would eventually pull a sacrifice to get them out, but I didn't think it would involve him committing to more self-damage just to get out and prepare something for the blast-off. I guess the raging hellscape down below won't be enough to ruin the remaining 22% of him, but should be interesting to see what plan he's got in mind.
So the Worm has both digging and sucking in his repertoire. The pig seems to have the strongest defense. The bird's got this huge blast beam, Venus has speed, and Saturn has his poisons/magic gaze. The variety of these 5 is really coming along nicely.
Even though we can easily expect Sanji and Zoro/Jinbe to arrive to save the day, it'd be really nice to see these groups come up with at least a temporary survival method against Venus and Saturn. Maybe Brook can be immune to the paralyzing gaze (being dead) and he can keep dodging the spider while Nami/Ussop/Lilith shoot him from a distance. It'd be embarrassing for Saturn, but that's just become an expectation at this point. Franky, Atlas, and Bonney vs. Venus though...... I don't really have anything outside maybe Kuma moving again.
Looking forward to the next updates, even though it'll probably mostly be whatever is up with punk records and Mars with minimal other updates.
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@Deicide said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
In-story: because Vegapunk would draw all the government's attention to Egghead, thus making it sure Plan B had a greater chance of not being stopped.
It's not a bad plan, especially if it was made with foreknowledge of the Elders' ability to teleport. But do we really think Vegapunk is as much of a strategic mastermind as some of the theories make him out to be? This whole arc has characterised the man as technologically brilliant but socially naive, taking every World Government promise at face value while they trample over his good intentions.
His great acts of defiance, the change to Kuma's self-destruct and the secret top rung of the command hierarchy, weren't tactical bamboozles so much as they were just kinda doing what he wanted and hoping Saturn wouldn't look that close at his work (and somehow getting lucky on that front). It's going to take some justifying if the story is that he's now manipulated the whole Government and its leaders into a perfectly self-defeated mass military deployment after all of this bumbling.
Well, as long as Mars is alive, the others can just summon him.
Ah, good point. These guys break so many of the rules One Piece usually has.
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Hmmm I wonder if the giant robot had enough drum beat to get a recharge. Did it just topple or freeze up once Gear 5 ended? In ancient days what kept that thing going 24/7? No way Joyboy was always in Nika mode.
Very enjoyable chapter.
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The way the Gorosei view VP is just intriguing. Like any CD, nothing matters, but themselves. As the Elders, they care about what helps maintain their power. Warlords and VP are similar at being assets that way. Fishman relations, whatever Doffy knows about Mary Geoise, Kuma supplying them with Pacifista. All to their benefit.
They would still give an ear to York, but their own servant is like can you spare my precious Kaku and Mars just doesn't give af lmao. This is so good. None of this stood out or caught my attention until Saturn mentioned all of this being regrettable while on his way in 1073. Everything from that point - Kuma still moving after Saturn used his supposed self-destruct switch, Bonney directive in units that look like Kuma, Baldy's comment on the power to level a country.
I believe VP when he says he wants energy to be free and abundant. Go ahead and make a monster with logia abilities.
Anyway, just like WCI arc had a couple things that were a long time coming, Egghead does as well. 1 of those being Lola giving the Vivre Card to Nami that resulted in the Zeus relationship among other things. For Egghead, I think of Koby in W7 telling Luffy about VP. Egghead has many callbacks to Sabaody, but Koby's dialogue is what I think can return. Put that together with York's dialogue from 1089 where she says she sent the Mother Flame to the Gorosei.
Maybe Mars is seeing some kinda creature or weapon similar to Mother Flame.
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I like seeing the elders being fearsome and getting stuff done. Really hoping nexxt chapter isn't York shooting Mars in the back with the bubble gun, having changed her mind offscreen.
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@Captain-M said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
It's not a bad plan, especially if it was made with foreknowledge of the Elders' ability to teleport.
Not necessarily. Not knowing what the opponent will or can do is enough reason to make backup plans. Security systems often use redundancy in order to improve security. In science, you often do experiments that are ready for the opposite of your expectations since you need to account for your own bias. Vegapunk (or it could be just Shaka) may have made a Plan B just for the sake of having one more ensurance his message would be delivered.
In other words, VP did not need to know Elders can summon each other. Hell, he didn't know an Elder would come at all, Saturn caught them all surprised. He also didn't know Kizaru was coming. But, by not knowing which forces and what powers he would face, it's a smarter move to be prepared for as many situations as possible.
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@Deicide Basically what I said in the spoiler thread.
In science and in IT, redundancy and back-up systems are used widely. It would be weird if Vegapunk did not have something like that in place as the world's greatest genius. One doesn't even need to be a genius to understand that redundancy and backup systems create a failsafe and a more secure environment.I think we'll see the Den Den Mushi destroyed or turned off and the transmission stopped and the Gorosei thinking they succeeded, just to have the broadcast start again moments later after the redundant setup takes over, which will cause a frenzy amongst the Gorosei's ranks as they'll have no more ideas as to where the broadcast is coming from and no way of stopping it.
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I think I've completely lost track of the ins and outs of the Labophase defense system. Why is it currently active, again? It evidently doesn't matter in regards to the elders. And couldn't they have switched it off before Edison dove rigt into it? They must've switched it on and off quickly when they rode that bubble car down earlier? Theres probably a reason, but I honestly don't remember. At any rate, its impregnable-ness seems debatable - Bonney got launched straight through it and it doesn't seem to bother her at the moment, and she has no super durability/recovery as far as I know. In general, I don't think the overall mechanics/layout of egghead has been the most clear. Like, you can get to the labophase by tube-train (which I guess can't go through the forcefield?), but also by riding down the cloud that suspends the labophase...but said cloud comes out of a giant bottle that has never gotten a highlight panel as far as I remember, , so what do you do when you reach the end of the road with your bubble car...?
At any rate, I'm gonna be glad once all the crew is out of the labophase and heading off of the island.
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@Daz said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I think I've completely lost track of the ins and outs of the Labophase defense system. Why is it currently active, again?
I asked myself the same question but I think it needs to be active against the buster call or to protect punk record.
I think it is safe to forecast that Vegapunk as planned something to protect his record. Maybe it is not hidden in Punk Record for nothing.
The other elders look more dangerous. In particular I wonder what will save Bonney's group. I would not be to fan of another newcommer after the arrival of the giants.
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@flandrian15 said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I think we'll see the Den Den Mushi destroyed or turned off and the transmission stopped and the Gorosei thinking they succeeded, just to have the broadcast start again moments later after the redundant setup takes over, which will cause a frenzy amongst the Gorosei's ranks as they'll have no more ideas as to where the broadcast is coming from and no way of stopping it.
That's what I'm expecting as well. Shaka contacting Dragon to talk at the start of the arc seems very suspicious, so I think Dragon will be involved with that. If the transmission resumes from Kamabakka, the Elders will be essentially screwed.
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@Deicide But again, we're giving Vegapunk a lot of credit for being able to anticipate what his enemies will do and guide their deployment even though we've seen him swallow lie after lie from the Government long after he should've known better.
We're acting like he's a good real world scientist willing to have redundancies and test runs and the like, and not a cartoon mad scientist who's never even heard of a control group. This is the guy who abandoned his artificial devil fruit attempt because it came out the wrong the colour. Not to mention the working lightsaber he threw into the junk heap. This man sets his sights on something and either makes it exactly as he wants, or gives up and trashes it. He doesn't pivot to a plan B.
Vegapunk's had some pretty strongly established character flaws through this arc, and they're all at odds with this chessmaster misdirect contingency within a contingency twist that's being theorised about.
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@Daz said in Chapter 1112: Hard Aspects:
I think I've completely lost track of the ins and outs of the Labophase defense system. Why is it currently active, again? It evidently doesn't matter in regards to the elders. And couldn't they have switched it off before Edison dove rigt into it? They must've switched it on and off quickly when they rode that bubble car down earlier? Theres probably a reason, but I honestly don't remember. At any rate, its impregnable-ness seems debatable - Bonney got launched straight through it and it doesn't seem to bother her at the moment, and she has no super durability/recovery as far as I know. In general, I don't think the overall mechanics/layout of egghead has been the most clear. Like, you can get to the labophase by tube-train (which I guess can't go through the forcefield?), but also by riding down the cloud that suspends the labophase...but said cloud comes out of a giant bottle that has never gotten a highlight panel as far as I remember, , so what do you do when you reach the end of the road with your bubble car...?
It is been up to protect the lab from the BusterCall (you don't want bombs in your gas cylinders) and presumably anyone that knows Geppou.
Sure you can tough it out if you're an endurance monster or have instant regeneration, but it's not exactly the smartest idea to just breach through. Those are still lasers.
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