Yeah, I didn't want to be an asshole and outright say it, but Japan is the nation where Lolicon is a thing, so....
Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion
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@access-timeco said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@FelRes said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
I kinda feel like Oda's lawyer ghostwrote that S-Snake entry to cover his ass.
Plenty of people interpreted it as a d'aww cuteness situation when S-Snake used that ability, so I doubt it. You'd have to be a weirdo to think they were perving over a little girl in One Piece of all things.
With Usopp, sure. But the CP goons even sticking their tongues out definitely didn't read as "cute" (Oda drew them like he always does when one of his characters is lusting over any woman).
Also, manga in general cannot afford the good will that you are giving it. Japanese media is not exactly a stranger to going there - and not just in the morally awkward 90's - so, yeah, it needed to be stated.Have you never had to hold back a ridiculous face upon seeing a dog in public?
@electricmastro said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@FelRes said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
I kinda feel like Oda's lawyer ghostwrote that S-Snake entry to cover his ass.
Plenty of people interpreted it as a d'aww cuteness situation when S-Snake used that ability, so I doubt it. You'd have to be a weirdo to think they were perving over a little girl in One Piece of all things.
And even the claim that this situation is comparable to what happened with Vander Decken is questionable. Vander Decken ultimately wanted ancient weapon power, while Usopp and Lilith just saw S-Snake cute like how they see puppies and kitties as cute.
Yeah, Decken was after that power. It just happened to be in the form of a young mermaid, so even characters in story could poke fun at how it looked at face value.
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@FelRes said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@access-timeco said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@FelRes said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
I kinda feel like Oda's lawyer ghostwrote that S-Snake entry to cover his ass.
Plenty of people interpreted it as a d'aww cuteness situation when S-Snake used that ability, so I doubt it. You'd have to be a weirdo to think they were perving over a little girl in One Piece of all things.
With Usopp, sure. But the CP goons even sticking their tongues out definitely didn't read as "cute" (Oda drew them like he always does when one of his characters is lusting over any woman).
Also, manga in general cannot afford the good will that you are giving it. Japanese media is not exactly a stranger to going there - and not just in the morally awkward 90's - so, yeah, it needed to be stated.Have you never had to hold back a ridiculous face upon seeing a dog in public?
@electricmastro said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@FelRes said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
I kinda feel like Oda's lawyer ghostwrote that S-Snake entry to cover his ass.
Plenty of people interpreted it as a d'aww cuteness situation when S-Snake used that ability, so I doubt it. You'd have to be a weirdo to think they were perving over a little girl in One Piece of all things.
And even the claim that this situation is comparable to what happened with Vander Decken is questionable. Vander Decken ultimately wanted ancient weapon power, while Usopp and Lilith just saw S-Snake cute like how they see puppies and kitties as cute.
Yeah, Decken was after that power. It just happened to be in the form of a young mermaid, so even characters in story could poke fun at how it looked at face value.
Of course, people can interpret however they want with Vander Decken, in how he's a pedo as the villain he is, but it also can't really be denied how Shirahoshi is the key to destructive power, so Vander Decken just being crazily power-hungry fits with the manga's narrative as far as I'm concerned.
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again i wonder, why do cp9 get transferred to the secret-er, stronger-er spy group when they failed??
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@MetaMario Because their cover story ended with them occupying the Cipher Pol training grounds, stealing a Marine ship and threatening a bedridden Spandam, giving them a ton of leverage both with the Government to hear out their demands, and with their old boss to make him take responsibility for the failure.
They then had two years to earn their promotions for real after all the politics and finger pointing play out.
Spandine protects Spandam to keep him from having to completely fall on his sword. Hell he might even have been nepotism'd into CP0 as part of the father and son's apparent revenge plan on CP9, but we'll see if that ever actually plays out.
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ah interesting. Been a while since I've gleamed the ending of the CP9 cover story (only remember them acting as a zoo for money for spandam's medical bills, or something)
Thanks for the recap.
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@MetaMario All good, it was a while ago now.
And it left things fairly open too, I'm obviously doing a lot of extrapolating for the stuff that could have happened in the aftermath and through the timeskip. But it got them to a position just tenable enough that you can fill in the gaps.
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@MetaMario said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
again i wonder, why do cp9 get transferred to the secret-er, stronger-er spy group when they failed??
A failure can only do so much to justify getting rid of powerful assets.
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@Captain-M said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@MetaMario Because their cover story ended with them occupying the Cipher Pol training grounds, stealing a Marine ship and threatening a bedridden Spandam, giving them a ton of leverage both with the Government to hear out their demands, and with their old boss to make him take responsibility for the failure.
They then had two years to earn their promotions for real after all the politics and finger pointing play out.
Spandine protects Spandam to keep him from having to completely fall on his sword. Hell he might even have been nepotism'd into CP0 as part of the father and son's apparent revenge plan on CP9, but we'll see if that ever actually plays out.
I really don't understand what "leverage" the CP9 obtain during the cover story. They don't occupy their training grounds at all, its the site where they beat up the squad explicitly sent to retrieve them, flip off Spandam, and then they sail off to wherever. The final note from the Spandam/Spandine end is them resolving to have CP9 exterminated rather than retrieved. What leverage do they have? A stolen marine ship? They don't really have anything on Spandam that wouldn't simply be their word against his, and from the WGs perspective the CP9 agents have just behaved like completely unreliable rogues, to the point of taking out a marine squad rather than reporting back for duty.
The entire cover story is about the CP9s standing with the the WG becoming more fraught rather than stronger, making the "Promotions for everyone!" development so incredibly jarring. Its like if the eventual followup to Hatchans cover story was him running a mermaid slave trade business with Octopako and Mako.
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@Daz
I always felt that cover story could lead to two opposing results: CP9 back to business with the WG, or CP9 turning away from the WG and becoming criminals.The story ended with Lucci talking to Spandam and warning him they'd come for him. Meanwhile, Spandam and Spandine were plotting agains CP9.
I always felt Spandam had absolutely no chance against Lucci and the others, so he could cave in and admit them back so they wouldn't kill him.
Or they'd go for him and either be successful or face other World Government forces, thus cementing them as runaways for good.
Since that ending was so ambiguous, I was not surprised when Lucci appeared as Spandam's boss in Dressrosa. I thought that made clear the conflict went in favor of CP9 and Spandam surrendered.
But to this day I wonder where's Spandine...
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Vol. 31 Lucci to Spandam: Someday We Shall Return
Vol. 32 Father and Son Plot the Obliteration of CP9
Vol. 33 (last one) The Ship Sails off Into Distanceso yeah. Lucci wanted to return to the WG, Spandam wanted to get rid of them, and whoever made the decision (Godhead of Justice Warcury?) must have sided with Lucci. Seems like something Oda should probably address in the SBS.
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Interesting how Oda mentions he never drew pantries before, even though he did when Reiju was in the infirmary with Luffy.
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@Johnny-B-Decent You're right. I saw tons of female fans visit Rurouni Kenshin exhibition...
Oda praised Watsuki as amazing person even after he got convicted.
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The author, speaking of how he depicts females in the perverted Ighead arc:
For the Arc of Egghead, I wanted to show a completely different design from the modern design, and I used clothes that clearly reveal the buttocks. However, I realized that since I had never drawn panties before, I was known to be unable to draw buttocks, so I specially studied the method of drawing erotic buttocks, and gradually became good at drawing buttocks. So the butt paintings and scenes became so much fun and there were even more pictures of butt angles! It's so fun to draw these things!The fuck...
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@Daz Decide made some good points already, but also I'd say forcing a Marine squad off the shores of the Cipher Pol training ground alone says "we are in the space where you'll make our replacements and can do what we want with it." And whether or not they have anything on Spandine or Spandam specifically, they'd have to know some WG dirty laundry from their years of doing black ops shit. The kinda stuff they could go straight to a certain bird with, if so inclined.
I'd at least hear them out. And when their demands aren't obscene amounts of money or looking the other way while they hijack a country, but instead to let them work for you again, I'd give that serious consideration.
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Preview pages are live on Shueisha's website: https://www.s-manga.net/reader/main.php?cid=9784088836447
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Kinda funny that the recaps put a question mark for the portrait of Vegapunk-Stella even after putting the Jump cover featuring him at the front of the book.
The recap also makes it clear Tashigi isn't a part of SWORD. There was some debate about that at some point, right? If she was a member, or just tagging along for Koby's sake? I honestly can't remember if the manga gave us an explicit answer about that or not already.
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I think the manga made it pretty clear. When Koby saw Tashigi at Fullalead he said that even non-Sword members came to save him.
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Vegapunks official colors!!
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@Deicide said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
I always felt that cover story could lead to two opposing results: CP9 back to business with the WG, or CP9 turning away from the WG and becoming criminals.
The story ended with Lucci talking to Spandam and warning him they'd come for him. Meanwhile, Spandam and Spandine were plotting agains CP9.
I always felt Spandam had absolutely no chance against Lucci and the others, so he could cave in and admit them back so they wouldn't kill him.
Or they'd go for him and either be successful or face other World Government forces, thus cementing them as runaways for good.
Since that ending was so ambiguous, I was not surprised when Lucci appeared as Spandam's boss in Dressrosa. I thought that made clear the conflict went in favor of CP9 and Spandam surrendered.
But to this day I wonder where's Spandine...@Captain-M said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Daz Decide made some good points already, but also I'd say forcing a Marine squad off the shores of the Cipher Pol training ground alone says "we are in the space where you'll make our replacements and can do what we want with it." And whether or not they have anything on Spandine or Spandam specifically, they'd have to know some WG dirty laundry from their years of doing black ops shit. The kinda stuff they could go straight to a certain bird with, if so inclined.
I'd at least hear them out. And when their demands aren't obscene amounts of money or looking the other way while they hijack a country, but instead to let them work for you again, I'd give that serious consideration.
The fundamental issue with the CP9CP0 career trajectory is that it makes so much more sense if you omit the cover story entirely, whereas including it makes it bafflingly discordant. The cover story is about them abandoning their post and going on the lam (instantly making Spandams claims at their culpability seem more valid), violently resist eventual apprehension, flip off their handler and leave with a stolen marine vessel to do whatever they want, making the reveal that they’ve not just been rehired but promoted to positions of directly protecting the interests – as well as literally protecting – the most Important people in the WG hierarchy – seems absolutely insane. Spandam is a first hand witness to Lucci professing that he’s mainly interested in killing stuff legally to the point where he let Luffy tail them for the sake of a fight, add the cover story on top of this and theres’ absolutely nothing indicating they should be trustworthy enough for such a position.
The problem with hinging the entire development on Luccis solitary statement that “they might return” is that there is nothing in the entire cover story supporting why on earth the WG would let that happen, or why CP9 would even want to return. The cover story is their “independent” report after all, and Luccis statement is given while the CP9 are revelling in having brutally beat up a marine officer and immediately followed by the WG side of the conversation declaring that the rogue CP9 agents should be exterminated. The cover story simply doesn’t build organically to their eventual later position; It only “works” through a very literal lens of “Lucci said they might return, and later they returned” or a very good-faith amount of leeway of “it’s been two years, who knows what happened”, which renders the cover story kind of pointless.
It’s like other wildly erratic character journeys that suggests abandoned, or severely retooled versions, such as Marcohs letter or Smoker saying that Hancock would for sure suffer severe consequences for her actions during the war (And no, the years and years later dissolution of the warlord system absolutely doesn’t count as such) – it’s a problem if omitting certain chunks would make a character trajectory make more sense, rather than less.
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I was confused but like....i guess intrigued when i saw Lucci and Kaku re-emerge back at Reverie, but then I saw other members in the Uta movie and then I was just completely baffled. Part of me still kinda wanted a Baroque Works situation where most of the members avoid all that stress and just do fun stuff while Leopard Murder Man goes rogue.
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Vegapunk's official color schemes:
(It seems it came from Shueisha's advertising)
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@MetaMario I've always thought that the followup that by far would have made the most sense to the coverstory would have been "Everyone in CP9 assumes new identities to live out their passions as civilians, except for Lucci who becomes The Punisher"
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@cavendishsama said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
Vol. 31 Lucci to Spandam: Someday We Shall Return
Vol. 32 Father and Son Plot the Obliteration of CP9
Vol. 33 (last one) The Ship Sails off Into Distanceso yeah. Lucci wanted to return to the WG, Spandam wanted to get rid of them, and whoever made the decision (Godhead of Justice Warcury?) must have sided with Lucci. Seems like something Oda should probably address in the SBS.
I think it's fair to assume Spandine could be the current CP0 leader.
EDIT. I just read on the wiki that Vol777 revealed Spandine is current diseased and Spandam is trying to find a cure to recover his weakened political status.
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@Deicide said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
For the Arc of Egghead, I wanted to show a completely different design from the modern design, and I used clothes that clearly reveal the buttocks. However, I realized that since I had never drawn panties before, I was known to be unable to draw buttocks, so I specially studied the method of drawing erotic buttocks, and gradually became good at drawing buttocks. So the butt paintings and scenes became so much fun and there were even more pictures of butt angles! It's so fun to draw these things!
Oda is freaking wild, lmao.
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@Deicide said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
The author, speaking of how he depicts females in the perverted Ighead arc:
For the Arc of Egghead, I wanted to show a completely different design from the modern design, and I used clothes that clearly reveal the buttocks. However, I realized that since I had never drawn panties before, I was known to be unable to draw buttocks, so I specially studied the method of drawing erotic buttocks, and gradually became good at drawing buttocks. So the butt paintings and scenes became so much fun and there were even more pictures of butt angles! It's so fun to draw these things!First off, ew. Second off, that is a weird brag coming from a guy who draws the same face for every female character.
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I'll call these Vegacolors fake until more is shown. I remember when the Vol 105 video came out and the Punk Records colors were first shown and they end up being completely different, lol. so...
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What is Apoo doing there?
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@access-timeco said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
What is Apoo doing there?
Same thing he did in Wano, take up space that should have gone to someone else.
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@puffing-cinema I think this is unfair criticism. The previous V105 promotion clearly had 2 sets of distorted colors (the image changed color near the end). I even pointed out at the time that the colors were probably not finalized yet.
But now the Vegapunks seem to have normal colors, implying this is their final designs.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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One Piece Volume 106 promotional video with Mori Calliope's song “Future Island”!!
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It seems like the colors are consistent with Volume 106’s cover, aren’t they?
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@Deicide Isn't it more likely due to the previous video showing pixelated art and this one going with amateur painting? Anyway, I still think we may have changes in their colors from now to their anime debut.
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@puffing-cinema I think the general color direction will be this. Maybe some hues or details change, but the basic idea feels finalized.
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Apoo being there while Drake and Hawkins are not kinda makes me assume that they really died? But Drake didn't look THAT beat up in their final scene...
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What’s this talk about Apoo? What did I miss?
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Hopefully Lilith and York colors will look better in a properly finished colorization. Not really digging their color scheme in that video.
The others look good. Atlas being Uta colored was a given.@Deicide just his appearance on the characters’ page at the beginning of the volume, even though he doesn’t appear in this volume/arc
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@redon said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
One Piece Volume 106 promotional video with Mori Calliope's song “Future Island”!!
The old school vibe is impecable.
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Ah, so that's what that collaboration ended up being. I'll need subtitles later, but can pretty easily tell she's just singing/raping about the arc and the characters. Definitely feels like some of her early work from 2 years ago, so I wonder how long this has been in the works or if they used those songs for reference for her.
I do have to wonder what they'll do with this song. The instrumental could work for a new ost for the island. Or it could just end up staying on official One Piece playlists, but otherwise be forgotten once this promotional period for this volume is done and they've moved on for the next one.
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@Bugs said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
Honestly, if this cuts down on the number of characters that have to reappear whilst reducing the padding and makes wrapping up One Piece a lot smoother, I'll take it. Wish Oda had killed off more pointless and boring characters like Marco, the dukes and Law.
The Dukes are helping Momo tho. :)
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@Bugs I mean, I don't mind characters dying, but those two (and Apoo) have played some kind of active role in the story for like 50 volumes, then when the arc that was supposed to put them in the spotlight finally came they could have been removed from the story and nothing much would have changed, + in the end they randomly die LOL.
I guess Drake served to introduce Sword and Hawkins was a neat villain, but you would have expected something more...I'll stop here, though. This doesn't have much to do with Vol. 106 and for some reason I always get bitter when the Supernovas enter the conversation. Law and Capone were great, but afterwards they've been such a disappointment :'(
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@Zanze said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Bugs I mean, I don't mind characters dying, but those two (and Apoo) have played some kind of active role in the story for like 50 volumes, then when the arc that was supposed to put them in the spotlight finally came they could have been removed from the story and nothing much would have changed, + in the end they randomly die LOL.
I guess Drake served to introduce Sword and Hawkins was a neat villain, but you would have expected something more...I'll stop here, though. This doesn't have much to do with Vol. 106 and for some reason I always get bitter when the Supernovas enter the conversation. Law and Capone were great, but afterwards they've been such a disappointment :'(
I don't personally think much of characters missing from the preview. Garp is nowhere to be seen even though he shows up in this volume and has a major role later.
In contrast, the Admirals do not appear in this volume.
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As are Kin'emon, Denjiro, Kunoichi, Raizo, Kiku, Kappaman, Kaido's son, Princess Genocide, a lot of characters. Cutting out two others would not be a bad thing and give Carrot a better reason to take over Zou rather than the fact that those two just wanted an extended vacation.
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@King-Cannon said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Zanze said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@Bugs I mean, I don't mind characters dying, but those two (and Apoo) have played some kind of active role in the story for like 50 volumes, then when the arc that was supposed to put them in the spotlight finally came they could have been removed from the story and nothing much would have changed, + in the end they randomly die LOL.
I guess Drake served to introduce Sword and Hawkins was a neat villain, but you would have expected something more...I'll stop here, though. This doesn't have much to do with Vol. 106 and for some reason I always get bitter when the Supernovas enter the conversation. Law and Capone were great, but afterwards they've been such a disappointment :'(
I don't personally think much of characters missing from the preview. Garp is nowhere to be seen even though he shows up in this volume and has a major role later.
In contrast, the Admirals do not appear in this volume.
The assumption in that case is because Garp wasn't present in the previous volume and so it's supposed to be a surprise when he does show up; same reason why Vivi isn't there as well. Teach and the Cross Guild don't show up in this volume either but they're important to the story, as is Sakazuki. Neither Tashigi and most of the SWORD but at least they are going to matter in the next volume and thus Egghead in general. It's a lot harder to give a reason why Apoo (and Marco, who does show in the volume at least) who isn't that important to the story and has no role in the arc at all.
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@Bugs said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
The assumption in that case is because Garp wasn't present in the previous volume and so it's supposed to be a surprise when he does show up; same reason why Vivi isn't there as well. Teach and the Cross Guild don't show up in this volume either but they're important to the story, as is Sakazuki. Neither Tashigi and most of the SWORD but at least they are going to matter in the next volume and thus Egghead in general. It's a lot harder to give a reason why Apoo (and Marco, who does show in the volume at least) who isn't that important to the story and has no role in the arc at all.
The only thing this implies is that Apoo is probably gonna be important soon, likely because he's Morgans' associate.
Weevil and Buckin are strange omissions however, considering they're Warlords and Buckin is directly related to major Egghead characters.
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Neither of which we learn about until this volume, so there's a reason they're not there. Apoo is still weird because he hasn't shown up in Egghead period despite being us being about 3 volumes in.
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@Daz said in Volume 106 Predictions/Discussion:
@MetaMario I've always thought that the followup that by far would have made the most sense to the coverstory would have been "Everyone in CP9 assumes new identities to live out their passions as civilians, except for Lucci who becomes The Punisher"
yeah that sounds pretty cool. wish we got it
