that's a rail gun, is a high energy projectile, not a beam!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun
Yeah, I know, read it on TCB first, where the translator note explained it.
that's a rail gun, is a high energy projectile, not a beam!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun
Yeah, I know, read it on TCB first, where the translator note explained it.
Can we assume that the payload being launched was at least a really big fist?
I don't even have a problem with the fight itself, but I really don't like that Big Mom basically gets treatment as Kaido's underling narrative-wise.
Tearing down the old age narrative demands the Yonkou be falling from oldest to youngest.
Big Mom had it coming.
I don't even have a problem with the fight itself, but I really don't like that Big Mom basically gets treatment as Kaido's underling narrative-wise.
You should instead be happy they didn't beat her by kissing her cheeks simultaneously or something.
@Daz:
Its simple:
Inside Laws Room, he can do all sorts of crazy grab-bag nonsense
By making his sword a Room, now IT can do all sorts of crazy grab-bag nonsense
Okay, I'm not saying you're wrong. But in the case of Law's sword getting bigger, it's because Law used his awakening ability to turn it into a room so it can get bigger like his room and can't do any physical damage but can manipulate anything it penetrates. Think of it like a portable room.
Now how exactly did that Shock Wille work? Fuck if I know.
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I don't even have a problem with the fight itself, but I really don't like that Big Mom basically gets treatment as Kaido's underling narrative-wise.
I disagree, I thought Big Mom more than lived up to her reputation. Bringing out everything she could do to and fighting to the bitter end to the point of using her soul power on her bones to keep them together. They had to drag her from that throne kicking and screaming which I really liked.
Anyways, dont let the Railgun distract you guys from the fact that Pekomz could show up eventually, since Cacao Island is right where he was captured and all.
I would also recommend Will-Of-P deniers to be considerably open-minded about this cover story, for the night is dark and full of terrors.
Are we assuming BM is down and will stay down for the rest of the arc ? I understand that at this point Law and Kidd have to win , still BM at least need a flashback.
@TLC:
I disagree, I thought Big Mom more than lived up to her reputation. Bringing out everything she could do to and fighting to the bitter end to the point of using her soul power on her bones to keep them together. They had to drag her from that throne kicking and screaming which I really liked.
At the start of the fight I was very doubtful Big Mom being defeated would feel satisfactory, but with this chapter all those doubts have been laid to rest. She's been a tank through all of Wano, and while Kaido is admittedly the star of the show most of the time he's just been up on the roof fighting Luffy. Meanwhile Big Mom has been kicking ass everywhere else, terrifying everyone around her, not to mention she's just way more fun in terms of personality. Especially in this chapter, I LOVE how towards the end she faces the supernovas head on and challenges them. "You think you can defeat me? I AM BIG MOM!" Such a Luffy line, I love hear it coming from a villain.
Yeee, AP is back up! Anyone with thoughts on what will happen to Zoro? For me that Grim Reaper panel was the most intriguing from the latest chapters. Is it something to do with Enma or the Minks medicine that triggered the side effects?
It's really not even about the battle itself. Instead, what bothers me is that she just gets dealed with the same fashion King and Queen are dealt with. That is, she gets finished off before the main event, Luffy vs. Kaido, even gets into its real climax.
Sure, it's too early to consider BM defeated. But I thought the same of King/Queen as well as the Tobiroppo fights. Like, seriously, that's really all…?! Especially Queen's end was super disappointing with him being distracted while receiving his finishing move. Therefore, I don't really expect anything else than her being defeated at the start of the next chapter.
I don't mind how BM was/is going to be defeated. The fight is pretty good, despite having most of it off-screened (I do feel we should've seen more of BM dominating the earlier fight, until the point Kid and Law were on the ground).
But I do feel the story didn't give her a proper role. She's just… here. I was expecting her to be scheming something the entire time, but instead she's just here to be beaten, with no proper storyline for her. It's a bit strange. Her crew wasn't here, she hadn't shown any ulterior motivation, her presence wasn't fundamentally needed for the arc. Her crew was kept out of this, and both she and Perospero seem to be here just to wrap up past storylines quickly because it seems Oda won't have the time to do it later. So, it's a bit strange how the plot was unfolded..
Big Mom's crew already got a load of focus during the WCI arc, so it's not like we needed them around Onigashima, since they would just overshadow Kaidou's crew with more overall screentime. Plus, they're getting involved in the most recent cover story anyway.
If anything, I think Perospero of all the children that came was the least necessary to have around. He didn't really bring anything new to the table.
Big Mom's crew already got a load of focus during the WCI arc
Yeah, but they went undefeated, and I'll be forever salty that we never really got to see Mont-D'or, Smoothie and some others used to their fullest potential. I must not be the only one needing a Usopp vs. Mont-D'or fight…
It's really not even about the battle itself. Instead, what bothers me is that she just gets dealed with the same fashion King and Queen are dealt with. That is, she gets finished off before the main event, Luffy vs. Kaido, even gets into its real climax.
Sure, it's too early to consider BM defeated. But I thought the same of King/Queen as well as the Tobiroppo fights. Like, seriously, that's really all…?! Especially Queen's end was super disappointing with him being distracted while receiving his finishing move. Therefore, I don't really expect anything else than her being defeated at the start of the next chapter.
Idk, I feel like her soul buddies should now be able to knock out Kid and Law regardless whether BM is conscious or not. Aren't they separate entities that aren't directly controlled by her anyway.
Plus don't see why they couldn't have a fail safe where they sacrifice themselves to heal BM with soul power again. She fell victim to hax powers, but a power like hers should easily out hax both of those. If Enel could restart his heart, she should be capable of much more.
Or maybe Oda goes via dual personality BM again. Otherwise I don't see why either Kid or Law wouldn't just go for the kill when she's down.
But I do feel the story didn't give her a proper role. She's just… here. I was expecting her to be scheming something the entire time, but instead she's just here to be beaten, with no proper storyline for her. It's a bit strange. Her crew wasn't here, she hadn't shown any ulterior motivation, her presence wasn't fundamentally needed for the arc. Her crew was kept out of this, and both she and Perospero seem to be here just to wrap up past storylines quickly because it seems Oda won't have the time to do it later. So, it's a bit strange how the plot was unfolded..
I don't know what kind of motives would make it legitimate for her to be beaten here, and I can't see what's the issue exactly.
Big Mom came to Wano to reclaim her pride after WCI – making her a proactive villain instead of lazily waiting for Luffy after he went to beat Kaido --, and once in Wano she was scheming by making an alliance with Kaido in order to find the One Piece and Ancient Weapons, with a hint of her intentions to betray Kaido. More importantly, the fact that Big Mom is falling down here alongside Kaido isn't a random decision by the author since this pair of Yonkou is not without thematic connection, because they represent the old era, pirates from Rocks' crew, and both were developed as villains together throughout the New World, with their stories interweaving parallelly, culminating in Onigashima where both were together to be defeated. That's clever. Big Mom had a storyline in the manga, and it doesn't matter that she was physically defeated in a different island from where most of her story took place, especially when there's plenty of reason for her to be here.
The only thing that is truly "weird" here is that Big Mom was not defeated by the Strawhats, which breaks some patterns and some expectations. How we deal with this surprise is up to each of us and our personal biases. We lose something, but also gain something else. And Law is basically a protagonist anyway…
I like it.
Like, seriously, that's really all…?!
This arc is now on YEAR FOUR. Even just the raid portion of constant fighting is pushing two years now, like 70 chapters. And counting Kaidou fight, flashback, and aftermath, we probably still have months to go.
It's way past time to wrap this thing up.
Big Mom still has business on Elbaf, she can keep going as a "lesser" threat or as a changed woman after this.
Great to have this place back, really missed discussing things during the past few weeks or so.
@Zar:
I bet that hole is gonna wind up important in the story. With it going past Yamato it feels like a set up for something in the future.
Yamato will likely be dropping the bombs there, especially considering that Oda made sure to have Momo talking about how the floating Island is moving away from the Capital.
She's definitely done as a main antagonist after this arc. I can't think of any way her coming back for another arc in a major role would be interesting. Luffy doesn't have to beat all emperors the same way he didn't have to defeat all warlords.
Definitely agree, at this moment in time, Big Mom is far more useful as a tool to elevate other players before the final saga happens.
Mysterious fruit: My gut feeling is it's Luffy's and Shanks was talking about him when he went to talk to the 5 Stars.
It has to be, there's a lot of foreshadowing (some subtle and some very overt, bordering on clunky) about Luffy's fruit:
Also add to that the fact that for this twist to land, Oda needs to use a fruit that every, or at least most OP fans will recognize, it can't be a fruit that's been revealed via SBS or something like that, because most OP followers aren't up on those details like we do, and whatever fruit has to belong to someone who is in Wanokuni right now, all this gives us only two candidates: Luffy's fruit or Law's fruit (the latter was the subject of a lengthy and memorable flashback).
We already saw Law's fruit awaken, and while hugely powerful, it isn't really a world-shattering fruit (so far), ergo, the only fruit they can be talking about is Luffy's, which would be one heck of a big risk for Oda to take on, given that this is going to be a very controversial retcon.
Rather Luffy's fruit than Law's though. If it was Law I don't think it'd actually change stuff, but it wouldn't be very exciting. He's already has his grand "this fruit is insane" reveal. Though if it would somehow make more sense of his powers, I could support it.
I can still see it being Tama's fruit, and that whatever person had it in the past ordered Zunisha to wander. Feels most logical and explains how surprisingly powerful it is. Just lacking in that we don't know the name canonically, so why hide it?
When I first read the chapter I actually thought it was Zunisha that ate the fruit and the WG didn't pay attention to them until they started getting involved in modern affairs by destroying Jack.
It has to be, there's a lot of foreshadowing (some subtle and some very overt, bordering on clunky) about Luffy's fruit:
- The idea of past users of familiar fruits being introduced in the Oden flashback with the old hag and shamisen guy using fruits that currently belong to Luffy's friends to wreak absolute havoc.
What about that points to Luffy's fruit specifically?
- Who's Who's background and its relation to Luffy's fruit being special, which Oda made extra sure to shoehorn in his fight with Jinbe.
I'm still mad about where this plot thread could potentially lead us because it undermines the premise of Luffy having a seemingly innocuous power that's ridiculed by his enemies.
- The fact that Oda cut from a shot of Luffy to the scene of the 5 elders talking about this fruit.
He didn't. It cuts to the Five Elders talking about the Reverie and the battle at Onigashima, then to the Government fleet near Wano, and only then back to the Five Elders talking about the fruit, with their speech bubbles explicitly used in the same panel as Zunesha. If Oda wanted to have the readers make a connection, it's that the fruit has something to do with Zou, not Luffy.
Also add to that the fact that for this twist to land, Oda needs to use a fruit that every, or at least most OP fans will recognize, it can't be a fruit that's been revealed via SBS or something like that, because most OP followers aren't up on those details like we do, and whatever fruit has to belong to someone who is in Wanokuni right now, all this gives us only two candidates: Luffy's fruit or Law's fruit (the latter was the subject of a lengthy and memorable flashback).
What happened to Chopper's, Robin's and Brook's fruit? They were revealed in-story, they're at Wano right now and most readers know about them. The latter condition doesn't even seem too important to me as long as the ability was named in the manga, I imagine casual readers are still familiar with Tama's, Marco's, Drake's or Caribou's abilities which have been showcased recently enough. Yamato's was also just introduced, Toki's fruit is probably still around Wano somewhere. Depending on how you interpret "awakened" the fruit doesn't even have to be currently in use, the Five Elders might be reacting to a product of the ability. Coincidentally we're shown a millennium old elephant that can only act on commands while they're talking about a long lost fruit.
But Brook's been a Rockstar thru the time-skip, someone sure already wondered how can he stay alive without a nose to smell pizza.
Chopper's pretty valid, he was framed as a pet, and I suppose most people see him as a Mink and that's why barely anyone freaks out when they see him.
And since he's a Zoan type, he can be fed on objects, give it to Enma and then interrogate him about Laugh Tale whereabouts.
Works for me.
The Human-Human fruit could also be used by Vegapunk to create the super inteligent android.
still BM at least need a flashback.
Big Mom already had a flashback on Whole Cake Island. I'm really not sure what else to add for her beyond that.
Yeee, AP is back up! Anyone with thoughts on what will happen to Zoro? For me that Grim Reaper panel was the most intriguing from the latest chapters
Yeah, that Grim Reaper scene feels scary, though I doubt Zoro will die in this story arc without getting his dream fulfilled. Maybe he make a bargain with the Reaper or gain some type of new powers.
Big Mom still has business on Elbaf, she can keep going as a "lesser" threat or as a changed woman after this.
That be super cool that Big Mom changes after this. Honestly, that might be the right thing to go with her - have her be "good" and learn the truth about her past.
But Brook's been a Rockstar thru the time-skip, someone sure already wondered how can he stay alive without a nose to smell pizza.
Chopper's pretty valid, he was framed as a pet, and I suppose most people see him as a Mink and that's why barely anyone freaks out when they see him.
And since he's a Zoan type, he can be fed on objects, give it to Enma and then interrogate him about Laugh Tale whereabouts.
Works for me.
The Human-Human fruit could also be used by Vegapunk to create the super inteligent android.
Yeah I don't think it's any of their fruits either, just wanted to point out that the given criteria don't limit the pool of possible fruits to Luffy and Law only
There's PROBABLY a reason Oda spent like 20 chapters where Big Mom was a nice lady amnesiac… and she was in her flashback as well.
Maybe he just thought it was funny and interesting, or maybe she's the long con Mr. 2 type I pegged her for like a decade ago.
I mean, Lola gave that vivre card to her friend trusting that her mom would take care of her, and not be... like that. And nice guy Pekoms is loyal, and Jinbe thought it was reasonable to try negotiating with her... and there's been two witnesses to her "origin", one of them on Elbaf... Plus everything with Pudding still needs resolving.
This all ending with her being a nicer, but weaker, sort of friend to the crew seems to me like the long game being played here... especially since even as far back as Thriller Bark and Fishman Island, it was always Kaidou that was the scary monster that needed taking down and big Mom the "also needs addressing".
There's PROBABLY a reason Oda spent like 20 chapters where Big Mom was a nice lady amnesiac… and she was in her flashback as well.
Maybe he just thought it was funny and interesting, or maybe she's the long con Mr. 2 type I pegged her for like a decade ago.
Yeah that does make sense! I think she might end up like Mr. 2 from villain to ally.
I mean, Lola gave that vivre card to her friend trusting that her mom would take care of her, and not be… like that. And nice guy Pekoms is loyal, and Jinbe thought it was reasonable to try negotiating with her... and there's been two witnesses to her "origin", one of them on Elbaf... Plus everything with Pudding still needs resolving.
Yeah, you're right. It honestly seems it is foreshadowed. What else needs to be resolved with Pudding? I thought things got fixed between her and Sanji.
This all ending with her being a nicer, but weaker, sort of friend to the crew seems to me like the long game being played here… especially since even as far back as Thriller Bark and Fishman Island, it was always Kaidou that was the scary monster that needed taking down and big Mom the "also needs addressing".
Yeah, I see what you mean. I think her being taken down will help her become more good. Maybe her defeat will have her come back to her senses, so to speak.
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread but am I the only one who is pretty sure that the grim reaper is Brook and Oda is setting up a pretty good gag?
I'm pretty sure the grim reaper is just a visual representation of Zoro fighting death after he overdid it even more than usual.
Zoro'll be all oh your back, didn't i tell you not to bother last time.
I'll get there when i get there
Law not having more of Kid's bull, so Kid upgraded to an electro beam huh.
Law not having more of Kid's bull, so Kid upgraded to an electro beam huh.
Kidd upgraded to a RAILGUN.
Though given what his awakened powers are capable of, I'm still a bit miffed he didn't choose the infinitely more humorous solution of turning Big Mom herself magnetic and use HER as the ammunition…
I've read too much To Aru... Can't expect Kidd to live up to Misaka...
Oh lawdy lawd! We are back! I've missed it here dearly! 3 cheers for those people(Breenen?) behind the scenes who brought Arlong Park back! Hip hip! Hooray! Hip hip! Hooray! Hip hip! Hooray!
@Starlalimoon, I like that font you got there. As you can see I will also adopt it. I've known that option was always there but I never really paid much attention I guess.
I'm really intrigued by Izo. At first I thought he was just going to fight CP-0 but after reading the official several times it sounds like he wants to work out some sort of agreement. Can't wait to see what that's all about.
And speaking of Izo, I like how the fodder gave him legit trouble. Through most of the story you get a sense that each Straw Hat is an army into themselves. Each one of them would always be able to mow through the countless unnamed or barely named individuals. Marineford and Dressrosa showed us that Straw Hats could be piled on like one would expect but it was Whole Cake that cemented the idea.
Seeing Luffy, Nami and Sanji swarmed by Mom's revenge army after Cracker and Katakuri's defeat made it truly real. Now we are here and I can buy that mob of Chicken Booty Heads and Gorilla Arms could believably slow down the Straw Hats.
It's really not even about the battle itself. Instead, what bothers me is that she just gets dealed with the same fashion King and Queen are dealt with. That is, she gets finished off before the main event, Luffy vs. Kaido, even gets into its real climax.
I don't get what you expected. Luffy's fights always finish after everyone elses fights have been resolved.
I don't get what you expected. Luffy's fights always finish after everyone elses fights have been resolved.
Yep is why we see everyone else running around doing this or that and it could be chapters before luffy fight finish .
Just question of what Oda going to have them doing during that time but he set up some of that already .
Yep is why we see everyone else running around doing this or that and it could be chapters before luffy fight finish .
Just question of what Oda going to have them doing during that time but he set up some of that already .
If Arabasta and Dressrosa where it was about stopping a katastrophy that'll wipe out many citizens from happening I'd guess that whoever can move will contribute to saving everyone from the explosion. Wether the explosives go off or not.
I'm pretty sure the grim reaper is just a visual representation of Zoro fighting death after he overdid it even more than usual.
Don't think so really, the grim reaper doesn't look anything like something Brook can produce. For me it was really curios as Oda rarely does draw emotional states as detailed as this.
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread but am I the only one who is pretty sure that the grim reaper is Brook and Oda is setting up a pretty good gag?
I kinda think so too. Could be the drugs causing Zoro to hallucinate as an aftereffect
Well, it could be something that is kept ambiguous. Did Zoro really meet death or was it a hallucination?
I think it'd be interesting to see what kind of conversation death would have with Zoro (or the other way around), even if it is perhaps only a hallucination. It could become a great showing of resolve from Zoro yet again, just like with Kuma on thriller bark but on a different level.
I like that Raizo's fight isn't over. This is the Wano arc. All the Pirate conflict is cute concerning Supernova and Yonko, but this fight deserves to get it's shine.
He was introduced through the whole ninja excitement, "Raizo is safe" and he was 1 of the main ones initially telling Oden that his dream is their dream as well when some were wavering.
Raizo burning even reminds me of Oden boiling.
This battle was better then
But looks like linlin will only return as ally in elbaf, same way crocodile did in marineford.
I like that Raizo's fight isn't over. This is the Wano arc. All the Pirate conflict is cute concerning Supernova and Yonko, but this fight deserves to get it's shine.
He was introduced through the whole ninja excitement, "Raizo is safe" and he was 1 of the main ones initially telling Oden that his dream is their dream as well when some were wavering.
Raizo burning even reminds me of Oden boiling.
Good to see there's at least some excitement for that "fight". To me they are just standing still and getting burned though.
Raizo and Fukurokujo is going to be the last Gag in Onigashima. After all the fights, they will be found still paralized.
@Starlalimoon, I like that font you got there. As you can see I will also adopt it. I've known that option was always there but I never really paid much attention I guess.
Yay! I'm spreading a trend! I really love Comic Sans Font, and I wanted something different than the basic! :happy:
(I got the idea mainly because of BellisarioFaith by the way xD)
I loved this chapter. What Law displayed made what he did to Vergo in Punk Hazard look like child’s play and he essentially destroyed Vergo during the Punk Hazard Arc. How glorious. What a fist-pumping, energy-inducing, scene-spanking moment it was.
As for Big Mom, in a sense she dug her own grave.
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Many a times was the knock of destiny cast unto the gates of the era yet such an inevitable echo went unheard by those disillusioned with the thrones they imprisoned themselves on. Change is inevitable with the motion of time yet rather than embrace such a reality, it was their hubris that changed to conceal the truth right before their eyes. Power is dangerous. It attracts the worst and corrupts the best. Only those who are prepared to lower themselves to pick it up are able to see it for what it really is. Big Mom should have opened her eyes and saw what was in front of her but she continued to remain blind denying the reality surrounding her. And such a rejection has now paved the path unto which she is cast down from her position as Emperor. The new generation have arrived and they are done knocking.
Big Mom had ample opportunity to prepare for such a situation yet that arrogance of hers prevented her from adapting to the situation surrounding Wano. Her ego entrapped her mind within a false context. The hundreds of challengers she defeated before became the perspective from which she viewed any future challenger. Victory ensnared Big Mom within a reality that deviated from actuality. Big Mom rejected the truth when Luffy challenged her in Fish-Man Island. She rejected it again when Luffy intruded on her Tea Party with Bege and Caesar which ended up with Sanji and the Vinsmoke family being saved and Whole Cake Chateau being destroyed. Even when Jinbe renounced his support for Big Mom in favor of the Straw Hat Pirates, Big Mom rejected reality still. Not even the Straw Hat Pirates escaping Totto Land budged Big Mom’s ego. Big Mom has suffered defeat after defeat when faced against the New Generation. She fails to rationalise that Urouge defeated one of her Sweet Commanders and escaped her territory alive. She has ignored that Marco has chosen to help the Straw Hat Pirates. She hasn’t genuinely recognised that she has been stopped in her tracks on three occasions by Kid and Law in Wano. Big Mom almost fell into the ocean before due to the New Generation and now she is being brought to a point where she rarely finds herself experiencing. Exhaustion has begun to take over and pain is now her companion yet throughout all this Big Mom still rejects the truth. Her time is over and challengers who can crush her have risen. Big Mom’s era is over.
Yay we are back!! Cheers to ppl who brought this site back from the shadow realms!!
As for these chapters… awesome, it shows what Oda could do if he choose to focus on 1 scene rather than 10 scenes at once.
And I will say it again: Big Mom is done here, move along new generations!!