I just imagined some characters went through some sort. of de-winging ceremony.
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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Greg every time Oda does a drawing of the Straw Hats as they would look when they get older, he does two drawings of what they will look like and what they would look like in a “different future”
Is that supposed to mean there will be some earth shattering event that could lead to two different futures that are extremely different? Some sort of turning point in the series that will have a huge effect on the straw hats lives based on some sort of choice they make?
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Wasn't it meant to be followed their dreams vs refused the call when it came to those pics
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Greg every time Oda does a drawing of the Straw Hats as they would look when they get older, he does two drawings of what they will look like and what they would look like in a “different future”
Is that supposed to mean there will be some earth shattering event that could lead to two different futures that are extremely different? Some sort of turning point in the series that will have a huge effect on the straw hats lives based on some sort of choice they make?
I think it's just Oda having fun with alternate timelines.
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I think they might not be a race, but rather a tribe of "special" humans (like the Kuja). I think it was discussed before that the wings are decorations or removable, especially when certain people like Enel and Ganfall lack them entirely.
It's kind of vague what with the three-eyed, snakeneck, and long-limbed people. I still don't get if they're supposed to be other races or what, since Big Mom collects them too despite being pretty much human.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure at first but I guess the pong limber and snake neck tribes are slightly different races not just humans who physically alter their bodies to be a part of a tribe like irl with piercings, lip plates/discs, nails, etc.
Long _ I think are definitely on the other side of it given the multiple joints or extended limbs
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Cant believe its been 7 years since Naruto ended….. I'm feeling old.
I appreciate Naruto a lot more now than before, it's rivalry with one piece was fun, and part 1 has become very nostalgic.Same here!
Naruto was good until.. Erm maybe we should not go there..I started One Piece before Naruto in 1998, but manga volume release was slow and One Piece was only a filler when I go to manga rental shops.
Naruto was all the rage between 2002 to 2006. The anime made it even more popular.I only join Arlong Park in 2006 but was lurking in 2005.
Now there is the monthly Boruto.
Maybe One Piece can continue with a monthly edition after the ending?The shinobi war would've been interesting if it was done in the style of kingdom
I totally agree!!!!
If only the jutsu did not evolved so crazily like DBZ.Kingdom is based on the rich history of the Chinese Warring States period.
Just romanticizing a very brutal history.Naruto author was doing what you call an asspull. The power kept grow bigger.
He may have an ending in mind, but he most likely fallen victim to over extending the story.
The connection with the beginning of the story is weak and not well planned out.The "3 bigs" rivalry was the golden period for us.
One Piece also had crazy powerup but it was nothing when compared to Naruto and Bleach.
I guess the longevity of One Piece got to do with the insane Power Level is still hard countered by Sea, Sea-stone.Until Haki. I guess Oda is planning for the End Game with Haki.
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It's kind of vague what with the three-eyed, snakeneck, and long-limbed people. I still don't get if they're supposed to be other races or what, since Big Mom collects them too despite being pretty much human.
Longlimb people can do stuff normal humans can't (like Ideo's fighting style). Same for the other races. That's what sets them apart.
As far as I'm concerned, Sky people wings are completely useless, making them more akin to vestiges instead of adaptations.
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Longlimb people can do stuff normal humans can't (like Ideo's fighting style). Same for the other races. That's what sets them apart.
As far as I'm concerned, Sky people wings are completely useless, making them more akin to vestiges instead of adaptations.
The wings don't have to be practical to make them a separate race. They're still a distinct physical feature, and it's not like the snakeneck necks really do anything either.
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The wings don't have to be practical to make them a separate race. They're still a distinct physical feature, and it's not like the snakeneck necks really do anything either.
Now watch there be a Snakeneck who whips their head and neck around like a Giraffe does.
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The wings don't have to be practical to make them a separate race. They're still a distinct physical feature, and it's not like the snakeneck necks really do anything either.
I mean, horns are also a distinct feature but no one is calling Moria or Caesar non-human.
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I always considered Moria some other race or mixed with one unless he's in to body modification.
Same way I assume Big Mom and Whitebeard have some giant blood in them.
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I mean, horns are also a distinct feature but no one is calling Moria or Caesar non-human.
What are you talking about, people theorize about whether horned people are a tribe, etc. all the time lol.
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So Greg… I know I asked you a lot but this chapter cements it. Queen is asuming that Sanji or the siblings needs the suits for their special trade make abilities.
We know from Niji he could use it without the suit so is Queen wrong or Oda.
If Queen is wrong we still have the mystery about what Sanji's supposed DNA powers would be
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LOL @ is Queen wrong or Oda.
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whaat, awakening is just boring in Zoans, King and Queen already have much better and interesting perks about them, with the cybernetics and Lunaria stuff.
Plus, Zoro and Sanji are obliged to win(in credible ways), awakening at this point would just make it look like Luffy's Wings never stood a chance.
Don´t hating the cybernetics and Lunariia stuff, it really great stuff.
But in the arc full of zoans, a crew named beast pirates, where ancient zoans get hyped, a crew with full zoans/smiles, literally the right arc for Zoans to display their true power, wouldn´t it make more sense to development awakening for zoans after Oda display awakening for paramecia in the previous arcs? I mean I can understand it that no one of the flying six get it since a awakened user is rare, I even understand Jack because of his young age, but King with 47 and Queen with 56 age and bountiies over 1.3B don´t have awakened devilfruit yet? Be honest I would be disappointed if "only" Kaido getting a awakened devilfruit and not his strongest members. -
Don´t hating the cybernetics and Lunariia stuff, it really great stuff.
But in the arc full of zoans, a crew named beast pirates, where ancient zoans get hyped, a crew with full zoans/smiles, literally the right arc for Zoans to display their true power, wouldn´t it make more sense to development awakening for zoans after Oda display awakening for paramecia in the previous arcs? I mean I can understand it that no one of the flying six get it since a awakened user is rare, I even understand Jack because of his young age, but King with 47 and Queen with 56 age and bountiies over 1.3B don´t have awakened devilfruit yet? Be honest I would be disappointed if "only" Kaido getting a awakened devilfruit and not his strongest members.its been established Awakening is quite hard to accomplish, and as a matter of a fact we've only seen 4 people using it in the entire New World, a decade of serialization.
The Tobi Roppo not having it is not rare, its the other way around actually.
What oftenly confuses the fans, its the guards from Impel Down, which were somehow all awakened and that led people to falsely believe it is somewhat easier to accomplish it for Zoans user, which is a topic that's been talked all accross the web over and over and over again, making it a much harder myth to debunk.
I personally think those guys from Impel Down recieved specific training of some sort, just like the Cipher Pools all learn rokushiki since young ages, and Oda definitely should clarify things about them.
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I used to assume to awaken your devil fruit you had to fight the demon inside of you, and I thought the Impel Down guards failed and the demon took over
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What are you talking about, people theorize about whether horned people are a tribe, etc. all the time lol.
Yeah, prior to Zou I actually remember thinking the "Minkmen" might be just what Moriah was, some kind of devil/horned-like people.
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The Impel Down guards were snot dripping dummies. Their awakening might have been artificially induced. And at a cost.
Especially now that we've seen Smiles and their wide range of potential side effects.
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Maybe the Demon Guards were "forced" to Awaken, and that the result was imperfect?
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The ID guards were definitely artificially awakened. I always assumed that Chopper‘s Monster Point was the same thing.
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Actually, I wonder if said guards were Minkmen who ate the fruits their animal selves correlated to? They do have the same beady eyes as Bepo and Pekoms.
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Lucci and Jabra have huge expertise on their fruits, arguably much more than any Beast Pirate, with all those resources and wide knowledge from the WG, yet, they havent been able to awaken theirs fruits.
Of course some kiddos like Ulti and PayPay won't have it either.
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I think it takes more than knowledge. Especially for haki-less hacks like Lucci and Jabra.
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Lucci and Jabra have huge expertise on their fruits, arguably much more than any Beast Pirate, with all those resources and wide knowledge from the WG, yet, they havent been able to awaken theirs fruits.
Of course some kiddos like Ulti and PayPay won't have it either.
Agree and as I said it make sense that no one of the flying six could use awakening, as Doffy state it, having a awakened power is rare.
I mean even Who´s Who with 546mio and the age of 38 not having it, isn´t bad either since it would clearly show the gap between the flying six and the calamity(I assumed in the past that the calamity would have awakening for sure).
But three guys with a bounty of 1B+ , two of them are old enough to have a awakened power in compare what we see from Doffy and Katakuri. And I agree with a post here about the Impel down jailers, I assume that they get forced to get the awakened power, but lose their mind and can´t change back to their human forms or Chopper Monsterpoint, I assume these powers are awakened.
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The ID guards were definitely artificially awakened. I always assumed that Chopper‘s Monster Point was the same thing.
Same here.
The fingers and eyes (at least Chopper's uncontrollable Monster point back then) are pretty much the same.
Maybe you can "Awaken" Zoans only artificially. Vegapunk probably succeeded in that. So did Chopper with the Rumble Ball.
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I think it takes more than knowledge. Especially for haki-less hacks like Lucci and Jabra.
Lucci and Jabra have CoA and CoO.
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Lucci and Jabra have CoA and CoO.
Now, yes but not back then when they displaying their expertise about their devil fruits.
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How is Rocks D Xebec going to be reintroduced into the story or effect it? He was considered Rogers greatest rival of all time, he was captain of a crew with three Yonko, as well as a bunch of other huge names, and tried to do something at God Valley to make him god of the world or something
I personally don’t think he’s still alive but if that’s true, what impact will his legacy have on the story? Why bring him up now? What’s Oda gearing up for? -
How is Rocks D Xebec going to be reintroduced into the story or effect it? He was considered Rogers greatest rival of all time, he was captain of a crew with three Yonko, as well as a bunch of other huge names, and tried to do something at God Valley to make him god of the world or something
I personally don’t think he’s still alive but if that’s true, what impact will his legacy have on the story? Why bring him up now? What’s Oda gearing up for?-
He's alive and is immortal somehow. Comes back as is.
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He has a son or grandson coughRockstar*cough that'll have an impact on the story.
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Blackbeard will reveal how he's totally inherited Xebec's will and how he doesn't just want to be pirate king but also how that was just a stepping stone to him ruling the world (like how most of his plans are multi-step).
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@Johnny:
Actually, I wonder if said guards were Minkmen who ate the fruits their animal selves correlated to? They do have the same beady eyes as Bepo and Pekoms.
Don't think there's such thing as rhino minks since they are lacking in fur.
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How is Rocks D Xebec going to be reintroduced into the story or effect it? He was considered Rogers greatest rival of all time, he was captain of a crew with three Yonko, as well as a bunch of other huge names, and tried to do something at God Valley to make him god of the world or something
I personally don’t think he’s still alive but if that’s true, what impact will his legacy have on the story? Why bring him up now? What’s Oda gearing up for?He died… but, he was buried somewhere, maybe on beehive island, BBs territory.
BB presumably just gained Morias services, along with Hogbacks, this means they will create the strongest zombie ever, and it'll be another ace up in blackbeards sleeve. -
How is Rocks D Xebec going to be reintroduced into the story or effect it? He was considered Rogers greatest rival of all time, he was captain of a crew with three Yonko, as well as a bunch of other huge names, and tried to do something at God Valley to make him god of the world or something
I personally don’t think he’s still alive but if that’s true, what impact will his legacy have on the story? Why bring him up now? What’s Oda gearing up for?Was thinking One Piece Film Red could be a good place to bring him up.
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How Rocks could be relevant to the story is a a mystery to me. I‘ve seen a theory that he‘s Im but that doesn‘t make any sense to me. I was speculating that he‘d be the villain of a One Piece movie about Roger‘s younger years but with One Piece Red coming up, the chances for this are diminishing.
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I expect Rocks to be a big motivator for Blackbeard that we'll explore in a sizable flashback for him
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@Zik:
Now, yes but not back then when they displaying their expertise about their devil fruits.
Back then as well. Lucci has three Vivre cards released at different times all confirming he had haki back then. When you take into account Jinbe saying Tekkai = CoA, it's not hard.
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The whole CP9 had haki all along retcon sure is silly. But i guess he felt like he needed it to patch the whole deadliest assasains ever!…..who can't even use new world nen bit
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The whole CP9 had haki all along retcon sure is silly. But i guess he felt like he needed it to patch the whole deadliest assasains ever!…..who can't even use new world nen bit
Them not having haki is just as silly, especially when we see how Ussop and Rebecca unlock it. It's impossible for them not to have it by the rules established post timeskip.
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I wouldn'd say that Oda had the current haki details planned during Ennies Lobby but even in Water 7 Luffy found it weird that he was damaged by Lucci's shigan.
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Calling rokushiki being haki a retcon is like saying that mantra being CoO is a retcon.
They both might be correct statements, but they are both so organic and easy to accept that it's more or less immaterial.
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As long as they didn't have advanced CoO I don't see the issue. Tekkai and CoA are functionally the same thing and only having better command of CoO allows one to utilize it more efficiently.
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I could accept it if a Marine on-panel says "Rokushiki is how we officers train for Haki" or so. Headcanon for CP9 during EL could be that they were a bit rusty or whatever so their Haki wasn't as polished as it used to be.
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Rayleigh said haki develops best with actual experience, when fighting for real, hence why he dropped Luffy on an island where every animal was stronger than Luffy.
So I can make the head cannon that since they were covert operationals, sometimes spending years working undercover on a mission, they didn't actually had as many fights under their belt as some pirates or marines that keep getting into battles.But still, the Boa sisters all have haki and Luffy's Gear Two was enough to face Marigold and Sandersonia. The CP9 were in that ball park.
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I could accept it if a Marine on-panel says "Rokushiki is how we officers train for Haki" or so. Headcanon for CP9 during EL could be that they were a bit rusty or whatever so their Haki wasn't as polished as it used to be.
They had the flu, which we now retcon to affect the ability to use basic new world skills.
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It was established rokushiki is a discipline that takes your physical possibilities to the limit, whereas haki is more like something spiritual.
Bobby Funk and Linlin have shown capable to surpass CoA with raw strenght, so it can be seen as two complete different things, but as said above, Oda definitely needed to retcon the greatest assassins in the OPverse.
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It was established rokushiki is a discipline that takes your physical possibilities to the limit, whereas haki is more like something spiritual.
Bobby Funk and Linlin have shown capable to surpass CoA with raw strenght, so it can be seen as two complete different things, but as said above, Oda definitely needed to retcon the greatest assassins in the OPverse.
I'd say a retcon isn't necessary for CoC and CoA. They are essentially the thing multiplied by a greater force of will. CoA is the same thing as tekkai, just willing it beyond what the body should be capable of. It's not spiritual, but mental.
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Calling rokushiki being haki a retcon is like saying that mantra being CoO is a retcon.
They both might be correct statements, but they are both so organic and easy to accept that it's more or less immaterial.
Not really. observation was introduced as here is how to magically predict and sense people which is what Mantra did. Also Aisa awakening and Coby were fairly similar.
Armament was introduced as here's how to hurt people you cant hurt which rokushiki didnt do. It couldnt hurt Luffy. Lucci used his claws and other slicing/puncturing techniques to do damage like regular people do. And the Kujas powers magical powers and CP9 didnt seem to work the same. One was magic aura/barrier and the other was body being super strong.
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Back then as well. Lucci has three Vivre cards released at different times all confirming he had haki back then. When you take into account Jinbe saying Tekkai = CoA, it's not hard.
So he had haki back then and didn't use it and Jabra didn't have it at all.
Or he had haki back then, used it, and still got his ass beat by a haki-less Luffy.
Still a hack.
Also I never took in to account Jimbe saying tekkai = CoA cuz that's not really what he says. There's tekkai and there's CoA. One may be an early form of the other but that does not mean they are equal.
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What I want to know is how Oda is going to build up Zoro and Sanji's fights against there Black Beard counterpart
Think about it both Zoro and Sanji are fighting against a Yonko commander's top subordinates, the same rank as there BB counterparts will be, who both have over a billion berry bounty, a huge milestone for them, one who's durability goes beyond anything we've ever seen, who's race were considered Gods in the old days, and another who has all the combined powers of the Germa 66 himself and even more cyborg enhancements then we can count, oh and both of them have dinosaur Zoan devil fruits
so we've already seen Zoro and Sanji fight a Yonko's top commanders, both over a billion bounty, and both King and Queen have there fair share of other impressive feats and abilities
so how do you build up there final battle, when there opponents have the same rank and similar bounties
My thought is that Oda is gonna have the Black Beard Pirates do something crazy, to showcase there on another level
I could see Shiryu beating Mihawk as a way to build him up as Zoro's final opponent
As for what he'll do to make Sanji's opponent a bigger threat than Queen was by a big enough margin that it really feels like a huge threat fitting for Sanji's final fight…... I have no ideas, especially after the latest chapter where Sanji beat the shit out of Queen with no raid suit on, which we know will get fixed soon and possibly even updated to make stroner
I mean he's manhandling Queen with no raid suit, so Oda is really gonna have to up his game to make Sanji's BB opponent someone so clearly superior to Queen that Sanji will need every trick in his book to defeat
I just think Oda is gonna do something very soon to cement the Black Beard Pirates as real threats
EDIT: basically Shonen fights are all about escalation, so where does he go to make Shiryu and whoever Sanji's opponent is a bigger threat than King and Queen by a far enough margin that they feel like genuine threats (since he can't rely on Yonko's top 3 commanders and over a billion bounty as threats... since we've already seen that) Oh damn that's probably all I needed to say, sorry for the super long post