@auem Using "Shambles" on the Ponyglyphs in a globe-spanning "Room" sounds like a super cool idea!
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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RE: Volume 105 Predictions/Discussion
Return to Wano arc - featuring Tama being persecuted and overall clan hatred being adressed, the rest of the Kaido/Yamato FB, the reveal of Pluton and more... that the possibility of it happening is not zero kinda scares me.
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RE: Official Egghead Thread
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
Oda is speedrunning the story now.
I can 92% guarantee we are not going to be diverting from the main path anymore.
Its definitely Elbaf next.
I just don't see Oda wanting to do this for much longer. Its been nearly two decades, stuck in an office, chain smoking and drawing one manga.
It just seems like he's kinda done with this whole thing.
I'm actually bummed that we might never see him draw anything new.The true loss is the complete reduction of fun crew interactions due to its streamlining of events. And I agree that elbaf is the next destination, but the question is really how we will arrive there. Will we get ported via Kuma's paws, use VP's technology or a coup de burst? Maybe we will even go over the White Sea and reach Elbaf by climbing down Yggdrasil.
As for Oda's post OP career and potential spinoffs: I hope that if he returns for a shorter oneshot manga, he fully embraces the gritty, realistic look he sometimes displays during the small volume cover avatars. A single volume sized oneshot that goes full Seinen with realistic artwork could be something very unique.
Likewise, OP does not need sequels like Boruto or DBSuper that trample on its legacy. If anything, there should be spinoffs that detail the adventures of another crew that mainly just show other parts of the world. Let's take a ragtag crew from one of the other Blues and let them journey to the Grand Line as well, taking another path than the Strawhats and eventually ending up at Sabaody.
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RE: Official Egghead Thread
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
It's crazy that at the end of Wano Oda said he'd like to end One Piece in "3 years, but will probably take longer".
2 years later, we are still in Egghead and, while it sets up a lot, it resolves almost nothing for the endgame. The prelude to the final saga took 60+ chapters...
People who think Oda will end the manga this decade are delusional imho. Even if we assume the most rushed scenario - which is Elbaf, LT and MJ, thereby ignoring the likely Hachinosu arc where we will resolve the Cross Guild and BB stuff - we are looking at a length of roughly 200 chapters at least. There is no way the final war, which features even more key players than Wano, will be shorter than Onigashima and Elbaf looks like it will be at least the length of TB or FI as well. Given the decreased yearly average of chapters, simple math alone should shut down most of these "OP will end in 2-3 years" posters, but apparently nobody can divide properly...
As for myself, I assume Oda will slow down even further in the future due to age, breaks, etc. and calculate with a 25 chapter per year average. If we assume we got Elbaf, Hachinosu, LT and MJ left and assume roughly 250-300 chapters... this will put us around 2035. Not unrealistic imho.
2 years of Elbaf, 2 years of Hachinosu, 4 years for MJ and 1 or 2 years for LT, the epilogue and odds and ends. -
RE: How much time do you think is left before One Piece ends?
@StrawHatJedi said in How much time do you think is left before One Piece ends?:
I don't think Laugh Tale will directly follow Elbaf; Geographically, the Straw Hats aren't even in the second half of the New World. That isn't to say the New World is only half finished chapter / story wise, but it just doesn't seam realistically they can then sail all the way to the end without stopping after Elbaf.
I still expect Lodestar and Fullalead will be visited along the way, and it seems unlike Oda to outline all the places the Straw Hats will visit in the latter part of the New World long before they arrive. I still feel like there could be at least one completely out of the blue location thrown in for good measure. Maybe someplace like Vira could work for example, though equally possible there could be a location we haven't even heard of.
I think Egghead probably has 20 - 30 chapters remaining, taking us through most of 2024. I give Elbaf 80 - 100 chapters; Not Wano length, but not short either. I'm thinking WCI / Dressrosa length seems about right. Egghead & Elbaf alone already take us into the 1200 - 1250 range if my estimates are correct. Which brings me back to my standing estimate of about 1500 total chapters, accounting for the fact that the final battle alone is inevitably going to outlast Onigashima's 80 chapters. In terms of major flashbacks / backstories, we still need the God Valley flashback - which will probably double as a Shanks / Blackbeard backstory (and maybe Buggy). There's almost certainly some important history on Elbaf, especially considering the lifespan of the Giants. And of course the JoyBoy / Void Century flashback, which I can't imagine will be shorter than Oden's 14 chapters. Plus other backstories Oda will likely want to fill in before all is said and done.
I think Egghead is over pretty soon, we are approaching the climax and could be done in 10-15 Chapters. The real question is where we will head next and what the cutaways will reveal after Egghead is over. If we more or less beeline to Elbaf, fair enough. But there have been hints at Hachinosu and to a smaller extent Vira, and many players havent settled down yet. Lodestar I'd like to see, but given the information we have I don't think it is that important of a location anymore. I can see the SH's just passing it on the way to LT and stopping by for a chapter or so.
I fully expect the final war to be WCI to Wano length, though. We got the Gorosei, Imu, God Knights, the Grand Fleet, the VC flashback, Admirals, Kong, Seraphim, some extra revelations that Oda probably saved for that occasion.. so many of these players and plot points need at least some elaboration and fights and that narrative debt has to be cleared somehow.
I expect - or rather hope - to get an eplogue that is a bit longer than one volume. Kinda similar to the Post-Marineford arc in a sense, where we took some time to go over all factions. Given the amount of characters in the story, even a volume-long montage with all of them would feel kinda rushed. If you commit to write LotR, you gotta have a LotR epiloque as well.
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RE: How much time do you think is left before One Piece ends?
@MetaMario Four years of 35 chapters means barely above 140 chapters to finish the entire story. We just had 8 chapters just for Kuma and Bonney.. do you really think OP ending within that timeframe is realistic, given that even the rather small Egghead arc is clocking in at 40+ chapters already?
I still stand by my 250-300 chapter estimate, putting us around 1350-1400 chapters. And even that is rushed imho.
@StrawHatJedi said in How much time do you think is left before One Piece ends?:
I'm sticking with the same 1400 - 1500 chapter estimate I've had since Fishman Island. However long that ultimately takes. We're now 4 years into Oda's first 'about 5 years' estimate and even without the extra breaks, we'd still only maybe reaching the end of Egghead. Maybe. If Oda really wanted to rush through things, he could've easily just showed all of God Valley from Kuma's perspective for example. I do still expect Elbaf to be a major story arc given the amount of buildup throughout the entire series.
Beyond that, I expect the final battle against Imu & the World Gov alone is going to take well over 100 chapters (3+ years at current publication rates). Onigashima alone took nearly 80 chapters... and involved a fraction of the total number of characters and parties Oda will involve and seek to give resolution in the final conflict. My 1400 - 1500 estimate accounts for the tremendous amount of bloat I'm expecting when Oda actually enters the final battle - when it's time to draw all that the story has been building toward for 20 - 30 years, when it's his last chance to draw all these characters who have populated his imagination for such a large portion of his life, when there's no more 'next arc', no longer any need to show any restraint or save big developments or storylines for later... will that battle really be shorter than the by comparison, relatively minor battle to liberate Wano from Kaido & Big Mom? The opening of Wano's borders, the unleashing of Ancient Weapons, the destruction of Fishman Island, a war to liberate the entire world involving nearly every character the Straw Hats have encountered throughout the entire series...
Look at Naruto, My Hero Academia, and Bleach for examples here. Look just how long their final wars / battles took. Even if you don't like those series, they're similarly long-running stories and arguably still only have a fraction of the number of 'important' characters as are found in the pages of One Piece.
The Egghead Incident, Elbaf, a race to find the Last Road Poneglyph (almost certainly not on Elbaf) involving struggls with Cross Guild, Shanks, and Blackbeard, a God Valley flashback, Lodestar, Laugh Tale and the long-awaited True History / Void Century Flashback, and a final earth shaking war to liberate the entire world.... and probably an epilogue of sorts tying up all the lose ends as the dust settles, a new world begins to be constructed, and the Straw Has sail off toward the horizon... seems like 300 - 400 chapters when all is said and done.
Pretty much my feelings on the matter.
And seeing how bad the abrupt ending of Wano was (Kaido and BM potentially being dead having almost no consequences on page, BM's crew completely ignored...), I don't think we should wish for Oda to rush either. I'd much rather have it take 10+ years with extended breaks to give Oda a well-deserved rest than suffer through Wano 2.0 with a Maryjois arc. I also don't want potentially great moments like the destruction of the Red Line, the fulfillment of crewmember dreams, etc. to be relegated to a single panel in a busy doublespread - I want the big, impactful, single panel doublespreads back for the final to really give OP the sendoff it deserves.
I hope that Oda takes a good look at Wano and seperates the last arc into acts again, but this time with some better pacing and breaks in between them. -
RE: Jump Festa 2024
@black-leg-jex said in Jump Festa 2024:
My issue with Fullalead being next is that it means Blackbeard will be the next arc villain rather than being the actual final villain (or at least the penultimate villain before Imu) and that really feels like a disservice for him. It brings him down to the status of an 'arc villain' rather than a 'main villain'.
And again, that's not really anything interesting at Fullalead. It feels like we've seen everyting we need to of the Island from the Sword assault.
I'd rather have Elbaf --> Hachinosu, too. Deal with the Shanks and Yasopp stuff on Elbaf, let BB kill Shanks and steal the last Road Poneglyph, then the final showdown for the ultimate pirate treasure on the island of pirates before the WG inevitably sweeps in as the final enemy. Then again, I suppose there are ways to make the SH lose on Hachinosu somehow or fight to a stalemate, and then go to Elbaf with BB in pursuit.
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RE: Jump Festa 2024
I always hoped for Hachinosu, but if Oda does add that island as an arc or goes for a Sky Island route to Elbaf the 5 year estimate is truly dead. At least a decade it is, then.
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RE: Jump Festa 2024
Elbaf cannot be skipped, Oda wouldn't have put Saul on that island if he was thinking of circumventing it. Remember, this is the person who still hails Vickie as one of his alltime favourite shows.
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
@Robby said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Nidhoeggr said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also, can you elaborate more on why the five act theory was weird to you?
Because it was based on absolutely nothing.
People read a wikipedia article about Kabuki and suddenly everyone was an expert and trying to break down Wano in a way that contorted to an exact structure.
And even though not every Kabuki play is five acts. And that breaking it up that way, mostly because people didn't feel the pressure or stakes were high enough... (basically "the fights aren't cool enough to actually be the real final fights") would involve resetting the climax and stakes and add another two years to the arc in order to fight the exact same enemies again.
Yeah its weird that no one used awakening, and Nami and Usopp got robbed... but it was pretty clearly the final stint of the arc for a long time.
I mainly liked the idea of having five acts because it would seperate the super long Onigashima raid a bit more clearly. Having a fourth act mainly reserved for Kaido and a fifth act epilogue seemed like good stopping points. But I guess that would necessitate a cutaway and therefore spoil developments happening outside of Wano during Act 3.
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RE: One Piece anime remake by Wit Studio
@Robby said in One Piece anime remake by Wit Studio:
Well damn. I never thought they'd actually do this just do the sheer length and commitment that would be needed. Even cutting out all the filler and running at a nice brisk 2.5-3 chapters per episode, that's still setting up to be ~400 episodes.
I always assumed they'd just Dragonball Kai it and edit it down, but I guess there's very little filler up through Alabasta so no one would be able to tell the difference for the first 80 episodes.
Unless of course they just hyper abridge it and cut stuff out, obviously and its just an adaptation like the recap movies and not a full retelling.
I have to assume they're keeping the regular cast but that's a 8-9 year project before it catches up to where we are now, and that's if they do 50 episodes a year so it might be the ideal time to cast younger. 2 different VA groups would be a good way to differentiate them but I know Japan has huge respect for its VA actors and tries to keep them consistent.
I always wanted some sort of director's cut, because a simple Kai version would be a bit.. low effort?
But this opens up so many questions:
Will there be changes from the story? Some controversial arcs like Wano and some beloved filler like G8 spring to mind...
How heavily is Oda involved?
Will they keep the same voice actors, score and openings/endings?
How will this affect the currently running anime by Toei? Hell, how will this work licensing wise and with potential future collector's editions. -
RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@King-Cannon said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Does this being the final saga mean we won’t have a war after the One Piece is found like many speculated?
O_o ppl speculated this?? W-why?
Please tell me it's the same ppl who picked the WANO FIVE ACTS hill to die on.
Hey Greg, quick question. Given the tendency of Shounen manga to have incredibly long final arcs (Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha, too many to name) and Wano being the longest arc in the series so far..
Do you think Oda was using the act structure as some sort of test for a potential structure we will see during the final arc?
If the speculation is true and Maryjois is the final arc there is a high chance we will have even more actors than on Wano... Surely having the arc structured into some sort of miniarcs like "Siege At G1", "Adventure In the Capital Of The World" or "Redline Ascent" would make sense, right?Also, can you elaborate more on why the five act theory was weird to you?
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RE: How Would You Write One Piece Differently/How Would you have wanted it.
@Nidhoeggr said in How Would You Write One Piece Differently/How Would you have wanted it.:
@Zar:
Honestly just cutting out a bunch of characters.
I'd be tempted to cut out all the Samurai except Kin'emon and have the samurai storyline focus entirely on him and Momo. Reason he went to Dressrosa? Strawhats went there and got dragged with them. And to Zou? To recruit the Minks. On Wano the other samurai could be combined with those yakuza types so they're the strong figures Kin is trying to recruit. Hell remove Hiyori and let that panel time go towards Momo and Tama, remove Orochi and give some of his traits to Kaido so he feels like a more relevant villain for mainland Wano. Dunno who'd be the traitor in this scenario but they could work directly for Kaido and maybe even be one of the flying six.
Just… condense things.
I feel like we could have done with just 4 or 5 samurai, but give those more prominent screentime.
As for my changes to the story:
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I'd probably split Green Bit and Dressrosa a bit more narratively and geographically so they can work as two arcs belonging to the Dressrosa saga instead of just one mega arc.
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Add G8 as a proper little arc between Skypeia and LRLI. It should have been canon as it showcases both a different side to the Marines as well as foreshadow Akainu to lay the groundwork for both War saga and the appearance of Aokiji a bit later.
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Add back the mentioning of Shiki between Shanks and WB's conversation and add Strong World's movie plot as a small arc between TB and Sabaody. Oda would probably have to change a bit more in the arc itself to not contradict powerscaling and showing off too much of Marineford, but I feel like it was a cool movie and Shiki is a funny villian.
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Make room for at least one small detour in the NW so we can properly visit one island not related to the entire main plot that started in PH. Maybe have the Strawhats interact with Urouge there or so. And as someone who enjoyed those early anime filler episodes about the crewmates working on their dream, I feel like it would be nice to have that as the focus of a small arc as well.
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Add a proper seabattle. I don't care if it gets added in 4) or whereever, but it needs to happen. I want the Gaon Cannon to go BOOM.
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Expand the interaction with Ace during Alabasta a bit more, I found it hard to care that much about Ace since we barely saw him.
In general I'd just add a bit more breathers so we can properly relax and aren't just tied to constant mega arcs. This is an adventure series after all and I feel one or two smaller, low stakes adventures would pull a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to building up crew interactions and newer members like Brook. Oh, and add more single panel doublespreads in general: Oda does a lot of very dense doublespreads these days but I think a good dozen or maybe two dozen of them should have been single-panel ones for better impact. The scabbards looking at the sea, some Kaidou moments, etc. Push the other panels for those pages onto others - would add maybe 1 or 2 chapters overall in the grand scheme of things, but make it feel that much more epic.
Otherwise I agree with Robby that I wouldn't really change the story too much.
@Zik:
- Never been satisfied with Luffy's "rivals". Law's great but he's basically the biggest non-SH character/ally. Kid is a joke to me. The rest were lame or haven't been in the story enough but its basically Bonney and Urouge, they seem like they'll serve different purposes. So I would've added a 13th worst generation member. I dont know why Oda teased us with events during the 2 years the crew were training separately. Yeah he's not gonna cover it but he could've done a lot more teasing about the 'incident in ×', the 'tragedy at ×', etc.
I'd love to see what that incident at Rocky Port was. Coby and Law must have done something to warrant their reputation, but we will most likely only find out via SBS…
Didn't want to create a new topic for this, so I'd like to add to my previous post. Now that Wano is over, here are a few things I would have liked to see in a potential director's cut:
- A medium-scale Wano restructuring:
a) Add backstories for the Supernovae: Kidd and Killer's SBS backstory when he and Luffy talk in Act 2; some more about Hawkins, Drake and Apoo and their motives during the raid.
b) A general split of the Onigashima Raid in two acts to make room for a lot of the cut stuff that feels like it needed an expansion to make it click, as Wano is imho the arc where rewrites and scrapped subplots are the most obvious. This includes:
- A split between fights on Onigashima and the other counties of Wano; maybe make the takeover of the harbour a bigger plot point (a proper sea battle!) so that parts of the forces can split up. Adds setting variety and gives options to have other, shafted characters fights.
- To add to that, give small on panel fights to the Numbers, the Oniwabanchu, some important Minks like Carrot, Jack and known members from Kidd's and Law's crew like Bepo or Heat. This would make them feel less like fodder and give the Alliance a certain gravitas and scale needed to take down such mighty foes.
- An expansion of the clan politics, the Kurozumi drama with Tama should not be SBS-only. There are a lot of good narrative seeds about the dangers of Sakoku laws in japan, old Samurai traditions, etc. in here, but Oda never really drove the point home.
- A proper Kaidou and Yamato flashback. Who was Yamato's mother, how did Kaidou rise to power, explanation on some of his legends. Not much, but please a bit more than half a chapter.
- Give a proper reason why the BM fleet does nothing. This always felt weird and it feels even weirder that we never heard of them again afterwards. If my proposed split between acts and locations remains in place, maybe let them attack the harbour and have the left-behind forces of the alliance fight against them.
c) An extension of the last few final chapters to a proper post-arc known as Act 5, thereby fulfilling the often speculated about 5 act structure. This should imho inclue some small tidbits on Ryuma and Moria as well as adress the ramifications of BM and Kaido essentially being dead as far as the story is concerned.
This would overall maybe add 20 or 25 chapters to Wano, but could have really helped to round this very uneven arc out.
Oh, and maybe a small but important change I'd make is to actually have the Gomu Gomu no Mi exist in universe. This would make a secret conspiracy to snuff out the legend of Nika and the rather lax approach towards Luffy for a large time period much more plausible without changing too much. Hell, there could even be a fun little cameo somewhere about the actual Gomu Gomu user being examined by the Wg before being deemed irrelevant.
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