Greg were you surprised with the color spread that Shiryu was considered the first commander and not Jesus Burgess, or did you already know that
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Greg were you surprised with the color spread that Shiryu was considered the first commander and not Jesus Burgess, or did you already know that
I'm not sure why people think those fleet numbers matter.
Lafitte is #5, yet is also the Chief of Staff of the crew.
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seeing as Lafitte is probably gonna face off against Brook, that actually sounds about right
At the same time, Lafitte is the former navigator of Blackbeard Pirates pre time skip, so Nami fighting him is also a possibility.
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@All:
At the same time, Lafitte is the former navigator of Blackbeard Pirates pre time skip, so Nami fighting him is also a possibility.
This is also true, it’s definitely a possibility
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I'm not sure why people think those fleet numbers matter.
Lafitte is #5, yet is also the Chief of Staff of the crew.
There was an assumption that the structure of his crew reflected Whitebeards. While we know that Whitebeard said the commanders weren't in any order, Marco was the first division commander, so Burgess being in the same position would make sense.
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@All:
At the same time, Lafitte is the former navigator of Blackbeard Pirates pre time skip, so Nami fighting him is also a possibility.
My bet is on him being Brook‘s opponent, Laffite‘s got a music theme going on, tapdancing around, music notes being drawn around him. Also, all of his appearance weirdly resembles Brook‘s.
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Am I the only one who’s sad the raid suit got destroyed
I really hope VegaPunk fixes it along with finding a way to get Sanji his emotions back well still keeping his raidsuit/exoskeleton
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There was an assumption that the structure of his crew reflected Whitebeards. While we know that Whitebeard said the commanders weren't in any order, Marco was the first division commander, so Burgess being in the same position would make sense.
It might still reflect Whitebeard's, but more like a dark mirror. Means we would go from the tenth being the "least" important to the most important. I assume the numbers won't matter past that, at least strength-wise.
Overall Shiryu taking over during the timeskip just makes so much sense, even if we ignore the obvious Zoro parallels. Looking at his vita, I can't think of a better candidate to manage a fleet that houses the most dangerous pirates in the world.
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But shilliew is just Absalom with a sword. Wait until my Man burgess eats marco's phoenix fruit or jozu's diamond fruit. Everyone will forget this color spread that doesn't proof anything.
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Greg, any comments on the just revealed cast of the live action?
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What do we think Oda will do with X Drake after this arc?
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What do we think Oda will do with X Drake after this arc?
Maybe he will infiltrate the Straw Hats, or the Grand Fleet, tbh I don't know.
Oda introduced Sword as an adversary to the Cipher Pol units, if I remember that correctly. So he could also tag along in Laws group(If the alliance is over after Wano), cause a marine who learns about the true history might want to help change the system.Besides that he could stay at Wano and tries to represent the Marines. As he seems high ranking enough to be trusted with infiltrating the Beast Pirates and make his own decisions.
This reminds me a bit of smoker, who abandoned or left Logue Town to try and capture Luffy. -
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About the color spread of the right-hands. To me it just seems that Shiryu is the second by strength and maybe not by hierarchy (if there is any).
"they must have reeeeally hit it off" -> In my opinion, the whole BB crew are only together by interest and not friendship. Like, they probably even dislike each other. It's maybe far-fetched but I'm basing this on Shiryu's reaction when Burgess called Lafitte for help in Baltigo. But not only this, I don't remember if this was against Ace OR during Marineford when getting the Gura Gura no mi, but some crew members were wondering who would be the captain if Teach died. It gives you the vibe of the crew…
It just goes to show how opposite the SHs are to the BB pirates in terms of values
I wouldn't be surprised if BB's crewmembers were sometimes literally fighting each other. Or even defying their own captain in a battle to get his place.
When you look at what Teach did to Thatch. And when you know that everyone knows it (because that's pretty much one of the elements that triggered the marineford war). You can't just think that there are any friends in BB's crew
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I would love it if they did the opposite with the Black Beard Pirates, and made them actually close, almost family, like the Straw Hats
I don’t think that’s where Oda’s going but it would be great
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You can't just think that there are any friends in BB's crew
Nothing about that suggests anything about friendship unless you assumed it does.
I'd really appreciate it if before telling me what I 'can't' do, you asked for a clarification.
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Nothing about that suggests anything about friendship unless you assumed it does.
I'd really appreciate it if before telling me what I 'can't' do, you asked for a clarification.
I may be wrong, but I didn't think the "you can't" referred to any specific person, instead it was more likely a figure of speech.
It's even more unlikely that it referred to you, since the poster wasn't even quoting you.
Just because this is your topic doesn't mean every single post we make is addressed at you.
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The original BB's seem to have a certain bond. Not based on the same things that the strawhats have, but i still think they a certain glue that unites them as true companions. Dunno if that qualifies them as friends but you do get a friendlier vibe betwenn them than with the new meat.
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I trash talk my closest friends more than anyone else.
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I may be wrong, but I didn't think the "you can't" referred to any specific person, instead it was more likely a figure of speech.
It's even more unlikely that it referred to you, since the poster wasn't even quoting you.
Just because this is your topic doesn't mean every single post we make is addressed at you.
Yeah pretty much this. I mean, this part of my post was me speaking generally
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I trash talk my closest friends more than anyone else.
Even when they’re dying on an ennemy’s island ? I mean we all do just like Sanji/Zoro, but maybe not like Shiryu
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Nothing about that suggests anything about friendship unless you assumed it does.
Yeah I think it suggests a lot actually. Especially the Thatch incident. But as wolfwood said, maybe there is a difference with the original crew and the ImpelDown crew
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Belo Betty confirmed that Blackbeard doesn't care about his subordinates, neither his captains nor any other.
His captains don't care about each other as well, that's the impression I got from their interactions when Burgess was on Baltigo and called Laffitte.Every one of them is an opportunist.
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Wasn't that about how Blacky wouldn't avenge his subordinate crews like WB would have? I didn't think that pinkbeard thing said much of anything about how his inner circle works
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To be fair, we don' t know how long "the originals" of BB's crew were together. Based on Ace's pursuit of him, it seems like it was only rather recently that Blackbeard formed his own crew. It's always possible some of these guys met Blackbeard while he was still in Whitebeard's crew/prior to actually forming the crew, who knows. It doesn't seem like they've been together for too long though, and it's quite possible the guys who seem "original" to us (because they first showed up around 20 years ago in our time) were pretty new to BB as well.
Also I appreciated the little bit about the "elements of chaos", that's a staple of Oda's climax writing I've known and thought about for a long while now.
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Belo Betty confirmed that Blackbeard doesn't care about his subordinates, neither his captains nor any other.
His captains don't care about each other as well, that's the impression I got from their interactions when Burgess was on Baltigo and called Laffitte.Every one of them is an opportunist.
They are associates, if they can't do their jobs they're deadweight.This makes me realize that the BB crew is very incredibly similar to the Rocks pirates.
It would explain why the current emperors would ever follow someone else.
It also makes sense why BB essentially strokes their egos by giving the title of captain. He is following in Rocks footsteps.
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To be fair, we don' t know how long "the originals" of BB's crew were together. Based on Ace's pursuit of him, it seems like it was only rather recently that Blackbeard formed his own crew. It's always possible some of these guys met Blackbeard while he was still in Whitebeard's crew/prior to actually forming the crew, who knows. It doesn't seem like they've been together for too long though, and it's quite possible the guys who seem "original" to us (because they first showed up around 20 years ago in our time) were pretty new to BB as well.
Also I appreciated the little bit about the "elements of chaos", that's a staple of Oda's climax writing I've known and thought about for a long while now.
At lest out of all them, it seems like Laffitte has some kind of affection for Teach.
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I mean most of the strawhats had known each other for a couple of months at the time BB appeared.
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Yeah I think it suggests a lot actually. Especially the Thatch incident. But as wolfwood said, maybe there is a difference with the original crew and the ImpelDown crew
You misunderstand again by assuming that I'm implying 'friendship'.
I'm saying that what I wrote, doesn't suggest anything about any kind of friendship. In other words, I wrote 'they must have hit it off' but that doesn't imply anything about friendship/closeness. Simply that Blackbeard recognized something in Shiryu that would/could be beneficial.
To be fair, we don' t know how long "the originals" of BB's crew were together.
Strictly speaking from my PoV, I don't think I was being unfair. The assumption in any given Japanese 'membership' is that 'longer = higher ranked' be it a day or a year. I'm not going into the details of that because it's a cultural discussion but it's exactly why I was surprised. I even considered the angle that BB and Shiryu were prior acquaintances which could make up for that difference in hierarchy, but their exchange suggests that's not the case.
My cultural assumptions were confirmed in discussing the colorspread with other fans over here who were surprised for the exact same reason.
What this suggests is that BB recognizes something special about Shiryu and that (basically) he can:
1. Get shit done.
2. Be used effectively toward his goal.
3. They may even share a common goal.That's what I meant by 'hit it off'. Nothing about friendship.
And the point I'm trying to intimate with ALL of the above, is that Shiryu is probably a f***ing beast among beasts.
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Considering Shiryu's epithet of 'Shiryu of the rain', it can be assumed that he may had Wano origin. That would give a lot of reasons to BB to 'bond' with him.
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I really badly want One Piece to keep going for as long as it can
But I also can’t wait to see the Straw Hats vs Black Beard fight at the end of the series
And Shiryu vs Zoro already has me pumped
Of course there’s tons of other things I want to see, like what the One Piece is, what happened in the Void Century, the mysteries behind Joy Boy and Im
But I’d be totally lying if I said the Straw Hats vs Black Beard Pirates isn’t up there in things I’m looking forward to
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You misunderstand again by assuming that I'm implying 'friendship'.
I'm saying that what I wrote, doesn't suggest anything about any kind of friendship. In other words, I wrote 'they must have hit it off' but that doesn't imply anything about friendship/closeness. Simply that Blackbeard recognized something in Shiryu that would/could be beneficial.
Oh ok, fair enough then. I can agree with that.
I always thought that the expression "hit it off" was like the triggering of at least a friendship. Appears, it may not be the case
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Greg do you think the durability that King has that Zoro says must be due to his race is another hint towards Sanji having Lunarian DNA?
I mean it just seems weird to me to mention that Sanji’s flame powers are similar to that of Kings race a Lunarian, and then his latent powers get activated due to his raid suit and all of a sudden his durability is insane and then the next chapter after that we have Zoro fighting King who has the same kind of insane durability
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Eh, I've been following it for 20 years. I'm about ready for it to wrap up.
I don't want it to be any shorter than it needs to be, but I don't need it to stretch out an extra 15 years either.
I don’t want Oda to go on just for the sake of going on, but you’ve got to admit there’s a shit ton of stuff he’s set up that he’ll have barley any time to focus on with his current five year plan, just look at the amount of characters we know of who will probably appear or reappear and that alone seems daunting
I’m sure he’ll show them all but he’ll probably have to rush it big time
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I don’t want Oda to go on just for the sake of going on, but you’ve got to admit there’s a shit ton of stuff he’s set up that he’ll have barley any time to focus on with his current five year plan,
His current 5 year plan only has 3 years left from when he said and he was never going to manage that. (Even with magically adding an extra year by resetting the clock when he said it again in SBS)
The meaning was NEVER literally "it'll end five years to the day". From the minute he said it, no one who knew his habits believed it. Like, even if he meant exactly that he'd still be off by a few months no matter what.
But the actual meaning, the intent. "there's only a few arcs left, I'm entering the endgame and want to wrap it up" are pretty clear. Especially since he keeps saying it and doubling down.
Corners ARE getting cut. As padded and bloated as Wano has been, as any random flights of fancy and twists as there have been, we've still seen lots and lots and LOTS of stuff shoved off screen that should have gotten at least a few pages. Like everything with Jack and the minks.
No the the series isn't going to finish in the next three years, but I'm not betting on it taking a decade anymore either. 6-7 years for 2027 still seems about right at this point in time, for the 30th anniversary.
The immediate aftermath of Wano and how the world gets shaken up could very easily set things into high gear in ways we just can't guess. The real tell will be if Elbaf is the next major island, and how that's handled. If its's a shorter arc of 10-25 chapters, if its used to tie up loose ends more than be its own thing, (Big Mom, Vegapunk, Shanks, etc.)
But if Elbaf ends up being another 2 year 100 chapter mega arc that's basically self contained, then yeah, Oda just can't help himself and its running to year 35.
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His current 5 year plan only has 3 years left from when he said and he was never going to manage that. (Even with magically adding an extra year by resetting the clock when he said it again in SBS)
The meaning was NEVER literally "it'll end five years to the day". From the minute he said it, no one who knew his habits believed it. Like, even if he meant exactly that he'd still be off by a few months no matter what.
But the actual meaning, the intent. "there's only a few arcs left, I'm entering the endgame and want to wrap it up" are pretty clear. Especially since he keeps saying it and doubling down.
Corners ARE getting cut. As padded and bloated as Wano has been, as any random flights of fancy and twists as there have been, we've still seen lots and lots and LOTS of stuff shoved off screen that should have gotten at least a few pages. Like everything with Jack and the minks.
No the the series isn't going to finish in the next three years, but I'm not betting on it taking a decade anymore either. 6-7 years for 2027 still seems about right at this point in time, for the 30th anniversary.
The immediate aftermath of Wano and how the world gets shaken up could very easily set things into high gear in ways we just can't guess. The real tell will be if Elbaf is the next major island, and how that's handled. If its's a shorter arc of 10-25 chapters, if its used to tie up loose ends more than be its own thing, (Big Mom, Vegapunk, Shanks, etc.)
But if Elbaf ends up being another 2 year 100 chapter mega arc that's basically self contained, then yeah, Oda just can't help himself and its running to year 35.
Personally, I think we're going to 35. I won't assert it as a fact, but it's just the feeling that I get.
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We still need to know:
-Why is Wano special
-What's going on with the dolls
-What's up with Nidai Kitetsu
-Zoro's bloodline
-Why Momo needs to survive as a Kozuki
-Kaido's history
-Gear 5
-Wrapping up all the other fights
-Hiyori
-King
-Queen and Mads
-Momo holding up Onigashima
-The outcome of CP-0 and Robin
-aftermath partyWano still going on for the next 20-30 chapters for sure
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@Scabbard:
We still need to know:
-Why is Wano special
-What's going on with the dolls
-What's up with Nidai Kitetsu
-Zoro's bloodline
-Why Momo needs to survive as a Kozuki
-Kaido's history
-Gear 5
-Wrapping up all the other fights
-Hiyori
-King
-Queen and Mads
-Momo holding up Onigashima
-The outcome of CP-0 and Robin
-aftermath partyWano still going on for the next 20-30 chapters for sure
Imho most of this will be condensed. Hiyori appeared the last chapter, while King and Queen aren't going to last more than a few chapters. Momo holding Onigashima is going to indeed be one chapter (and background-y the rest of them), Gear 5 could just be a one-chapter thing as much as Snakeman has been, Kaidou's FB could just be like BM's, Nidai Kitetsu can easily be a no thing, Mads could be post-poned to Vegapunk's debut, Zoro's bloodline could just be spilled as Kawamatsu and Hyogoro did a dozen of chapters before. I am not saying all of this will happens as I said, but there's an high percentage a lot of this things is going to be threated as minor thing. Totally not going to need 30 chapters for 14 points unless Kaidou's flashback is a ten chapters one.
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I see no reason for the Kitetsu plotline being dropped just so, Kaido is way more interesting and complex than BM, he knows something about the Void Century (even Robin became aware of Joy Boy's existence quite recently) and Oda definitely has planed more with Zoro's bloodline (see Greg's Twitter thread).
All I want to show is that Oda will not able to solve all plotlines within 170 chapters even with fast pacing.
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@Scabbard:
All I want to show is that Oda will not able to solve all plotlines within 170 chapters even with fast pacing.
If he cuts back the fights he could easily manage that.
If he wants to be done, he can be done VERY quickly. Satisfactorily is another matter and he's going to avoid rushing if he can… but I do imagine the next arcs will be a bit more contained.
Less fights, less side character casts of 200, lesser Wano, more Zou.
Then go all out on the war.
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@Scabbard:
We still need to know:
-Why is Wano special
-What's going on with the dolls
-What's up with Nidai Kitetsu
-Zoro's bloodline
-Why Momo needs to survive as a Kozuki
-Kaido's history
-Gear 5
-Wrapping up all the other fights
-Hiyori
-King
-Queen and Mads
-Momo holding up Onigashima
-The outcome of CP-0 and Robin
-aftermath partyWano still going on for the next 20-30 chapters for sure
What dolls are you referring to, because I've totally lost track of whatever that's about. Most of this I don't think will be a problem at all, I expect a Kaido flashback and some serious post-climax revelations (or perhaps in the midst of the climax) regarding Wano's nature, the poneglyphs and its history, etc. I don't think Gear 5 needs to happen at all? Like not at all, Gear 4 is well equipped for now to just have more forms - if anything I think we can expect an awakening, which might not be anything like the previous Gears.
Is Mads short for mad scientist?
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What dolls are you referring to, because I've totally lost track of whatever that's about. Most of this I don't think will be a problem at all, I expect a Kaido flashback and some serious post-climax revelations (or perhaps in the midst of the climax) regarding Wano's nature, the poneglyphs and its history, etc. I don't think Gear 5 needs to happen at all? Like not at all, Gear 4 is well equipped for now to just have more forms - if anything I think we can expect an awakening, which might not be anything like the previous Gears.
Is Mads short for mad scientist?
The dolls aren't something that have to be addressed. Both Hitetsu and Oden's pops seem to have the same sort of dolls and other evidence seems to imply that they could be the same person. If anything, that fact could speed things on if Sukiyaki/Hitetsu is used as an agent of exposition.
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More Zou, given that Oda wants to draw the greatest war in the history of One Piece that is supposed to make Marineford look cute? I don't think so. And offscreening important fights isn't something I have been waiting for so long, or even fast paced, look at how anti-climactic Oden vs. Kaido was (I don't care about the Anime, it's another entity).
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@Scabbard:
More Zou, given that Oda wants to draw the greatest war in the history of One Piece that is supposed to make Marineford look cute? I don't think so. And offscreening important fights isn't something I have been waiting for so long, or even fast paced, look at how anti-climactic Oden vs. Kaido was (I don't care about the Anime, it's another entity).
I was referring to Elbad and Laugh Tale as more Zou like. Cut back the fighting there so the story can end in the next decade, then go nuts in the finale and have a three year battle there that we all end up being exhausted by long before its done.
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I am of opinion that war with WG will be much like Marineford , but with greater intensity and powerplay. Then the fight with BB pirates will be longer as the end fight.
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Like Marineford ? More like the great shinobi war at the end of Naruto. Or even bigger. It's supposed to be a world war isn't it ? According to Whitebeard's last words
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16 chars of Oh dear god no.
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You guys should read more manga other than Naruto when you make these comparisons to what you might expect in the story.
