Luffy doesn't know any of his companions backstories and frankly he doesn't care. He just sees them as his very close friends, he doesn't feel like he needs to know nor will he really pay attention when it's told to him. That's just how he is. I don't think anyone is debating if Luffy needs to know, more like when we, the audience, know and are made aware of it.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
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Honestly, I don't know how much "fanboying" to expect out of Yamato, particularly in the heat of battle… Even the "Is that Cyborg Franky!?" bit was only one panel and ended the moment he was given an escape route to get Momo and Shinobu to safety.
He's read up on the Strawhats and clearly wants to meet them, but he's hardly Bartolomeo. I could see Yams chatting with Robin and Brook for a bit if they're all coincidentally running in the same direction, but it's pretty clear that ensuring the entire castle doesn't blow up takes precedence, and I think Yamato would act accordingly.
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Fangirling over the crew sounds way too similar to Bartolomeo. If Yamato joins, I hope there is little to none of that.
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Yamato has spent a good two years reading up on the Strawhats and waiting for them to reach Onigashima, so I think it'd be a bit weird if he didn't "fanboy" at least a little bit - meeting your heroes, et al - but I don't see it being something that persists for very long once he actually gets to know the crew.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
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I'm a lurker but I guess I'l throw in my two cents about Yamato.
I just can't see this character join the crew, for many reasons.
First of all, he's been in the story for a ton of time now and there just isn't much of note about Yamato as a character. At this point most Straw Hats had already joined, except for Robin who was more of a wildcard and for Jinbe who's also been an exception in a lot of ways, but even for him, he had already underwent a character arc that revolved specifically around him gaining respect for Luffy, you could already see what his relationship with Luffy was going to be be (as in, his voice of reason, like when he stopped him from fighting Teach and later in the awesome Amazon Lily scene - and it piad off in FI and WCI with Jinbe being the one to convince Luffy to go on with some particular plan), there was the desperate escape from Akainu, and even a hint to his eventual ship role at the end of Impel Down already. Jinbe got a lot of strong moments even in a crowded arc like Marineford. Every single other Straw Hat (again, aside from Robin) had their character strenghts and individualities at full display by this point.
I'm not sure why but to me it feels like that X factor just isn't there for Yamato. Character got plenty of screen time but a vast majority of it has been exposition and running around in circles. Even the pivotal moments were kinda… lame? Luffy destroying his handcuffs happened 10 pages in and felt like a throwaway scene. "My other name is Yamato!" happened after he blocked some cannonballs shot by nameless fodder with no Straw Hat around, which isn't really an important feeling scene. The Kaido fight was alright but that flashback was not crewmate material and 10 chapters later he went back into exposition & running around mode again as if nothing happened. It just feels artificial.
And another thing that bothers me is that the character looks like he has no flaw (which is kinda fitting for an Oden cosplayer...), like aside from some shyness in the first 2 chapters what's there about Yamato? Sanji has a ton of flaws and most of those were already in full display in the Baratie arc. Chopper has always been portrayed as a naive kid that needs to grow, Franky and Robin were straight-up villains, Nami is greedy, Usopp a coward, Zoro looked like a criminal, Brook is a nutjob and he even got humiliated in his first important fight (which led to the awesome revelation about his afro), Jinbe is dutiful to a fault (he got thrown in jail before Marineford because he tried to reason with the government, while he could have just betrayed them from the beginning... at least he learned better later with Big Mom) and was probably a very scary person in his younger days - my point is that their flaws are part of the reason why they feel so endearing and three-dimensional as characters, and those flaws are even engrained in their positive traits (Sanji being the best example again, essentially being a man who limits himself to follow his own principles, for good and for bad). Plus, this is an adventure manga. Growing and and overcoming their flaws throughout the story is more or less what the main characters are for. The actual human journey. With Yamato this stuff... just isn't there. I can't see it, and I think I should be able to see it after 60 chapters. Closest thing is the "I'm Oden!" shtick, but even that is barely developed and hasn't been a hindrance on Yamato's actions and relationships at all. At most it provided a couple of gags.
Another small but important thing: how come Yamato can use advanced king's haki but couldn't take off his cuffs? You could rationalize this with convoluted haki shenanigans but it just feels like a poorly thought-out expedient that just isn't in line with the way Oda has introduced the characters in the main cast. Plus we already have a crewmember that was introduced while imprisoned and with a connection to Ace... These are the small things that make Yamato feel like a last-minute character to me. An important character sure, but one that's mostly there to tie up plot threads.Then there's the secondary stuff... No obvious ship role, no well-defined skillset (which again, it should be there after 60 chapters), he'd be the third Japan-themed crewmate which feels kinda weird looking at the previous variety, Devil Fruit that heavily ties the character specifically to the Wano arc, no dream, no dynamics with the crew at all...
I'm not sure what role Yamato is going to have in the future but if he's to be a crewmate Oda has really dropped the ball with this character in my opinion. I don't think he's that great even as an arc character, because the core emotional focus of the Wano arc is clearly still on Momo and Kinemon with a side of Tama - the characters who are actually going through an arc. Like, we've gotten more character moments from Killer than from Yamato. That's kinda telling to me.
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I think one crew member fangirling over the rest would create a very strange unequal dynamic.
A big part of the reason I believe Carrot is joining, regardless of what does or doesn't happen with Yamato, is because she effortlessly fits in with the rest of the crew.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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Yamato has spent a good two years reading up on the Strawhats and waiting for them to reach Onigashima, so I think it'd be a bit weird if he didn't "fanboy" at least a little bit - meeting your heroes, et al - but I don't see it being something that persists for very long once he actually gets to know the crew.
Basically this. It wouldn't be a persistant quirk, or overwhelming, but it would be something on a first meeting.
The anime is definitely playing that aspect up more though. He keeps getting giddy and excited when about to introduce himself to Luffy or to Momo.
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Another small but important thing: how come Yamato can use advanced king's haki but couldn't take off his cuffs?
Internalized destruction is a Color of Armament thing. You're mistaking it for Color of Conqueror.
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Yamato can stay and annoy Momo with his fanboying, the best solution.
Meanwhile Tama the chad that addresses even the likes of Franky as -kun will become the pirate kings apprentice.
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Yamato can stay and annoy Momo with his fanboying, the best solution.
Meanwhile Tama the chad that addresses even the likes of Franky as -kun will become the pirate kings apprentice.
Only if Franky builds an ark for all her animal and Gifter followers, since she can't fight for herself. :p
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I'm a lurker but I guess I'l throw in my two cents about Yamato.
I just can't see this character join the crew, for many reasons.
First of all, he's been in the story for a ton of time now and there just isn't much of note about Yamato as a character.Ah yes, very little except the lonely childhood full of dead friends and abuse, forming a bond with Ace, having complete belief in Luffy and admiring his secret dream, idol/mentor figure, constant fights with his father, desire to go travelling… very little.
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At this point most Straw Hats had already joined,
At this point any other arc was done a year ago. Wano is clocking in at three years going on four, by far the longest in the series.
except for Robin who was more of a wildcard and for Jinbe who's also been an exception in a lot of ways,
When there's already two exceptions you have no pattern at all.
I'm not sure why but to me it feels like that X factor just isn't there for Yamato. Character got plenty of screen time but a vast majority of it has been exposition and running around in circles.
Much like Jinbe during the war? Or like literally everyone else in this arc right now? Usopp and Nami and Robin and Sanji and Jinbe have all been running around in circles.
The Kaido fight was alright but that flashback was not crewmate material
Please remind me of the great flashback Usopp had.
Also, arc isn't over yet and we're due to get a Kaidou flashback once the minions are all beaten.
and 10 chapters later he went back into exposition & running around mode again as if nothing happened. It just feels artificial.
Again, like EVERYONE ELSE is doing. Luffy was on the bottom floor then he had to run up the stairs then he almost reached the roof then he was knocked back down then he did more stairs thenhe got to the roof then he was knocked off the island into the water, went onto land, then went back up to the roof again.
It's a chaotic war scenario, NO ONE is staying in one place. Brook and Robin have gone from the bottom to the top to the bottom again. Zoro has been outside like three different times. That is not unique to Yamato.
And another thing that bothers me is that the character looks like he has no flaw
He has no idea how to interact around people.
Jinbe is dutiful to a fault (he got thrown in jail before Marineford because he tried to reason with the government, while he could have just betrayed them from the beginning… at least he learned better later with Big Mom) and was probably a very scary person in his younger days
So for Jinbe you're counting Impel Down, the War, the timeskip,Fishman Island, his cover story, and Cake Island to figure out his personality?
What was his thing during the WAR. When it was all hectic action? He was boring and willing to die for Whitebeard. That was it. That was the main complaint about him for a long long time. "He's boring". He didn't get a single gag until the war was over.
For all the others you're either hyper simplifying or making things up. "Zoro looks like a criminal" was never an issue for him? Brook got humiliated in his first fight? Yamato has fought and lost to the same guy for 20 years.
Another small but important thing: how come Yamato can use advanced king's haki but couldn't take off his cuffs?
Luffy himself couldn't have done it just a couple days earlier. He learned how to do that in the mine from Hyogoro.
Plus we already have a crewmember that was introduced while imprisoned and with a connection to Ace…
Zoro?
Then there's the secondary stuff… No obvious ship role,
Cabinboy, logkeeper, boatswain, there's plenty. Zoro's role is "fighter". Robin's is "archeologist" not a usual component for ship travelling. Jinbe is Helmsman and we didn't learn that or have a need for it until 10 years after he first appeared. Usopp didn't decide he was the canoneer till after he joined and discovered he had a talent for it..
no well-defined skillset (which again, it should be there after 60 chapters),
Again, Zoro's skillset is "fighter".
Usopp's skillset is… "slingshots". He went from a multi-tool, hammer weilding, dial using deciever to... the guy that uses plants.Yamato uses a giant club and has an ice wolf transformation loaded with powers. He's got a lot.
he'd be the third Japan-themed crewmate
1. The author is Japanese, so even if that was actually true, that's to be expected.
2. Jinbe's "nationality" is India, not Japan. His thing isn't "Japan", it's "Mafia".
Devil Fruit that heavily ties the character specifically to the Wano arc,
According to the VILLAIN. That has come up exactly once, with Yamato then dismissing it imediately.
no dream,
Now you're just flat out ignoring things. Have friends, leave the island, go sailing, be a pirate.
no dynamics with the crew at all…
Because the longest arc in the series isn't over yet and he hasn't met them yet…?[/hide]
Like, we've gotten more character moments from Killer than from Yamato. That's kinda telling to me.
You're actively ignoring a ton if you actually think this is the case.
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I'm a lurker but… (cut due to length).
I agree with most of your thoughts. I just don’t see Yamato being built up to permanently join the crew dynamic. I feel his moments with Momo were far more significant, and his DF being themed as “guardian deity of Wano” don’t help. While I can’t say for sure if he is or isn’t joining, it just feels like Oda isn’t seizing opportunities to strengthen any bond between Yamato and the crew.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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his DF being themed as “guardian deity of Wano” don’t help.
That is literally the talking point of the VILLAIN. Which Yamato dismissed immediately.
While I can’t say for sure if he is or isn’t joining, it just feels like Oda isn’t seizing opportunities to strengthen any bond between Yamato and the crew.
He's interacted and bonded with Luffy plenty and completely gets him. Its pretty obvious with this latest chapter where Yamato is literally in the same panel as Brook and Robin that Oda's delaying their meeting intentionally, it's not just an oversight.
He's had three different members of the crew now wondering about Yamato without having any idea who he is. They're aware that there's a rampant young master and that someone was holding Kaidou at bay. They already know about Yamato before even meeting him.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I think one crew member fangirling over the rest would create a very strange unequal dynamic.
A big part of the reason I believe Carrot is joining, regardless of what does or doesn't happen with Yamato, is because she effortlessly fits in with the rest of the crew.
Carrot hasn’t interacted with Straw Hats like Usopp, Robin, and Franky as much as some others. Can I say that Carrot doesn’t fit in at all because of that?
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I'm a lurker but I guess I'l throw in my two cents about Yamato.
I just can't see this character join the crew, for many reasons.
First of all, he's been in the story for a ton of time now and there just isn't much of note about Yamato as a character. At this point most Straw Hats had already joined, except for Robin who was more of a wildcard and for Jinbe who's also been an exception in a lot of ways, but even for him, he had already underwent a character arc that revolved specifically around him gaining respect for Luffy, you could already see what his relationship with Luffy was going to be be (as in, his voice of reason, like when he stopped him from fighting Teach and later in the awesome Amazon Lily scene - and it piad off in FI and WCI with Jinbe being the one to convince Luffy to go on with some particular plan), there was the desperate escape from Akainu, and even a hint to his eventual ship role at the end of Impel Down already. Jinbe got a lot of strong moments even in a crowded arc like Marineford. Every single other Straw Hat (again, aside from Robin) had their character strenghts and individualities at full display by this point.
I'm not sure why but to me it feels like that X factor just isn't there for Yamato. Character got plenty of screen time but a vast majority of it has been exposition and running around in circles. Even the pivotal moments were kinda… lame? Luffy destroying his handcuffs happened 10 pages in and felt like a throwaway scene. "My other name is Yamato!" happened after he blocked some cannonballs shot by nameless fodder with no Straw Hat around, which isn't really an important feeling scene. The Kaido fight was alright but that flashback was not crewmate material and 10 chapters later he went back into exposition & running around mode again as if nothing happened. It just feels artificial.
And another thing that bothers me is that the character looks like he has no flaw (which is kinda fitting for an Oden cosplayer...), like aside from some shyness in the first 2 chapters what's there about Yamato? Sanji has a ton of flaws and most of those were already in full display in the Baratie arc. Chopper has always been portrayed as a naive kid that needs to grow, Franky and Robin were straight-up villains, Nami is greedy, Usopp a coward, Zoro looked like a criminal, Brook is a nutjob and he even got humiliated in his first important fight (which led to the awesome revelation about his afro), Jinbe is dutiful to a fault (he got thrown in jail before Marineford because he tried to reason with the government, while he could have just betrayed them from the beginning... at least he learned better later with Big Mom) and was probably a very scary person in his younger days - my point is that their flaws are part of the reason why they feel so endearing and three-dimensional as characters, and those flaws are even engrained in their positive traits (Sanji being the best example again, essentially being a man who limits himself to follow his own principles, for good and for bad). Plus, this is an adventure manga. Growing and and overcoming their flaws throughout the story is more or less what the main characters are for. The actual human journey. With Yamato this stuff... just isn't there. I can't see it, and I think I should be able to see it after 60 chapters. Closest thing is the "I'm Oden!" shtick, but even that is barely developed and hasn't been a hindrance on Yamato's actions and relationships at all. At most it provided a couple of gags.
Another small but important thing: how come Yamato can use advanced king's haki but couldn't take off his cuffs? You could rationalize this with convoluted haki shenanigans but it just feels like a poorly thought-out expedient that just isn't in line with the way Oda has introduced the characters in the main cast. Plus we already have a crewmember that was introduced while imprisoned and with a connection to Ace... These are the small things that make Yamato feel like a last-minute character to me. An important character sure, but one that's mostly there to tie up plot threads.Then there's the secondary stuff... No obvious ship role, no well-defined skillset (which again, it should be there after 60 chapters), he'd be the third Japan-themed crewmate which feels kinda weird looking at the previous variety, Devil Fruit that heavily ties the character specifically to the Wano arc, no dream, no dynamics with the crew at all...
I'm not sure what role Yamato is going to have in the future but if he's to be a crewmate Oda has really dropped the ball with this character in my opinion. I don't think he's that great even as an arc character, because the core emotional focus of the Wano arc is clearly still on Momo and Kinemon with a side of Tama - the characters who are actually going through an arc. Like, we've gotten more character moments from Killer than from Yamato. That's kinda telling to me.
Happy to get proved wrong but I'm kinda soured on the character as of now, feels like a ton of empty hype and expectations that are always going to deliver in the next chapter.So what you're saying is, you don't get the character.
@electricmastro:Carrot hasn’t interacted with Straw Hats like Usopp, Robin, and Franky as much as some others. Can I say that Carrot doesn’t fit in at all because of that?
Yes. Carrot not meeting them at all lets me know Oda has no intention of her ever meeting them and her appearing to fit in was just her trying too hard.
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Closest thing is the "I'm Oden!" shtick, but even that is barely developed and hasn't been a hindrance on Yamato's actions and relationships at all. At most it provided a couple of gags.
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Carrot hasn’t interacted with Straw Hats like Usopp, Robin, and Franky as much as some others. Can I say that Carrot doesn’t fit in at all because of that?
I never said Yamato doesn't fit at all. I'm saying fangirling like Bartolomeo wouldn't be an appealing crew dynamic if Yamato joins.
Sanji barely interacted with Nami and Usopp before joining (some ineraction with Nami).
Chopper didn't interact with Zoro or Usopp before joining.
Robin only positively interacted with Luffy before joining.
Franky primarily interacted with Usopp, Sanji, and Robin before joining. He had only one real positive interaction with Luffy before joining.
Brook accepted an invitation to join before meeting Zoro, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, or Franky.
Jimbei met Luffy almost 100 chapters before meeting the rest of the crew.I don't think it matters if Carrot has had limited interaction (not zero interaction; They have spoken to and are familiar with Carrot) with a few members of the crew or that Yamato hasn't met the other Straw Hats besides Luffy and Franky yet.
I think it's odd Oda has chosen to have Yamato not meet the Straw Hats yet, but I'm not sure it has any bearing on joining or not joining. It could mean he wants to save her meeting the crew to make her joining a surprise / shock, or it could mean something else. The only part hat struck me as unusual was Yamato declaring an intent to join Luffy without being invited first or meeting the crew. Which, again, doesn't mean she can't join. It's just atypical. But I also don't believe there are any rigid patterns for Straw Hats joining the crew.
I do have several big questions which I think need to be answered before I'm fully on board with Yamato joining, but lack of interactions with the Straw Hats isn't one of them. Motivation and dream are really the only unanswered questions which really matter.
The point I was making that if Yamato meets the crew and joins, I really don't want her to fangirl over them as did Bartolomeo. It would be really weird to have one member of a group of friends obsessing over the others and putting them on a pedestal. That would only serve to make Yamato continue to feel like an outsider raher than an actual member of the group. If Yamato's going to join, she needs to blend in as one of them rather than fawn over the others. I only brought up Carrot because her closer bonds and natural interaction with the crew is one of the primary reasons I believe she's going to join. If Yamato joins, I hope she will be able to similarly assimilate into the group. Delaying her meeting any more members of the crew such that so that she can go full Bartolomeo when they're all assemble is the opposite of what I'd hope to see in a new crewmate. I don't think that's what's going to happen, but the suggestion was made in this thread which is what I was referring to in my post.
Yamato indicated familiarity with Franky, but I didn't read any obsessive hero worship into her interaction with him. The only one Yamato seems to hold such reverence for is Luffy.
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@Zik:
So what you're saying is, you don't get the character.
Yes. Carrot not meeting them at all lets me know Oda has no intention of her ever meeting them and her appearing to fit in was just her trying too hard.
See, this is the opposite of my point. I think you're being inconsistent in how you're approaching Yamato and Carrot. No member of the crew since Usopp has heavily interacted with every member of the crew before joining. Carrot has met and interacted with every member of the crew - some more than others.
I say, it doesn't matter for either Carrot or Yamato because I'm evaluating both characters even handedly.
You're saying what's good for Yamato, not having to interact and bond with every member of the crew before joining, doesn't work for Carrot.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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@Zik:
So what you're saying is, you don't get the character.
Yes. Carrot not meeting them at all lets me know Oda has no intention of her ever meeting them and her appearing to fit in was just her trying too hard.
There were also several chapters she was separated from Luffy and the others in the Whole Cake Island Arc itself because of situations such as the Mirror World. Could a good point be made about that as well? Could a good point also be made that Carrot was only there to be a mourning device for Pedro’s sacrifice and also a plot device used to take out some of Big Mom’s cannon fodder pirates while Luffy spent more time away from her because he was fighting Katakuri, as well as being used as comedic relief alongside Chopper?
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There were also several chapters she was separated from Luffy and the others in the Whole Cake Island Arc itself because of situations such as the Mirror World. Could a good point be made about that as well? Could a good point also be made that Carrot was only there to be a mourning device for Pedro’s sacrifice and also a plot device used to take out some of Big Mom’s cannon fodder pirates while Luffy spent more time away from her because he was fighting Katakuri, as well as being used as comedic relief alongside Chopper?
I don't think reading Carrot as a 'mourning device for Pedro' makes much sense. Pedro sacrificed himself for the Straw Hats. Writing in a secondary character to absorb their grief wouldn't make much sense.
This reading also suggests Pedro was also nothing but a plot device to help the Straw Hats get out of a bind. But Oda created the bind. He created the situation that demanded Pedro's death. He didn't need to create the character to resolve the situation because he didn't need to create the situation.
This is a very, very strange way of viewing stories. Oda didn't need to create characters to take out cannon fodder because he didn't need to create armies of cannon fodder. For this reading of Carrot, or any other character to work, you need to pretend the story precedes Oda - that he's creating characters to solve a set of problems which he himself did not also create.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
See, this is the opposite of my point.
Im pretty sure I wasn't responding to any of your points at all.
Let me go make sure.
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.Yeah, my posts were replying to two other posters.
One simply saying they don't seem to get the character given the amount of blind spots they have when listing things Yamato doesn't have or displayed when he has and the other post is just total sarcasm lol
I think you're being inconsistent in how you're approaching Yamato and Carrot. No member of the crew since Usopp has heavily interacted with every member of the crew before joining. Carrot has met and interacted with every member of the crew - some more than others.
I say, it doesn't matter for either Carrot or Yamato because I'm evaluating both characters even handedly.
You're saying what's good for Yamato, not having to interact and bond with every member of the crew before joining, doesn't work for Carrot.
That you couldn't tell my post was sarcasm is pretty troubling lol
It was some pretty obvious whats good for the goose is good for the gander lets see how you like it sarcasm.
There were just two pages pretending like Yamato not meeting the crew yet was some big problem which it is not. Even a long post that someone else agreed where they pretty much admit they aren't seeing things with a character that are there that they can't acknowledge.
So when electricmastro asks a question that is a perfect ALLEY how can you expect me not to OOP it?
But allow me to double down:
@electricmastro:There were also several chapters she was separated from Luffy and the others in the Whole Cake Island Arc itself because of situations such as the Mirror World. Could a good point be made about that as well? Could a good point also be made that Carrot was only there to be a mourning device for Pedro’s sacrifice and also a plot device used to take out some of Big Mom’s cannon fodder pirates while Luffy spent more time away from her because he was fighting Katakuri, as well as being used as comedic relief alongside Chopper?
That's right.
Any time Oda has Carrot away from the strawhats he is clearly letting us know he has no intentions of her ever joining the crew.
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@Zik:
That's right.
Any time Oda has Carrot away from the strawhats he is clearly letting us know he has no intentions of her ever joining the crew.
Agreed. After all, we don't know for 100% certainty if he's doing all this on purpose for that reason after all. lol
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@Zik:
Im pretty sure I wasn't responding to any of your points at all.
Let me go make sure.
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.Yeah, my posts were replying to two other posters.
One simply saying they don't seem to get the character given the amount of blind spots they have when listing things Yamato doesn't have or displayed when he has and the other post is just total sarcasm lol
That you couldn't tell my post was sarcasm is pretty troubling lol
It was some pretty obvious whats good for the goose is good for the gander lets see how you like it sarcasm.
There were just two pages pretending like Yamato not meeting the crew yet was some big problem which it is not. Even a long post that someone else agreed where they pretty much admit they aren't seeing things with a character that are there that they can't acknowledge.
So when electricmastro asks a question that is a perfect ALLEY how can you expect me not to OOP it?
But allow me to double down:
That's right.
Any time Oda has Carrot away from the strawhats he is clearly letting us know he has no intentions of her ever joining the crew.
Ah, I see. Sarcasm can be difficult to recognize in print, but unfortunately, I can't even fall back on the excuse of being Canadian.
Electricmastro's post was in response to my own and he seemed to misinterpret my post as agreeing with the sentiment that Yamato not meeting / bonding with the crew (I wasn't), so I accordingly mistook your post as genuinely agreeing with his statement.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Ah, I see. Sarcasm can be difficult to recognize in print, but unfortunately, I can't even fall back on the excuse of being Canadian.
Electricmastro's post was in response to my own and he seemed to misinterpret my post as agreeing with the sentiment that Yamato not meeting / bonding with the crew (I wasn't), so I accordingly mistook your post as genuinely agreeing with his statement.
Can be a little difficult to not use witty sarcasm when more people give the impression of using Carrot as a good example of someone who will join against Yamato specifically to make her look like a bad example.
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Can be a little difficult to not use witty sarcasm when more people give the impression of using Carrot as a good example of someone who will join against Yamato specifically to make her look like a bad example.
That's not what I was doing. I do believe Carrot is going to join, and I'm on the fence about Yamato. I was using Carrot as a good example of how I expect any potential new crewmate will interact with the crew. Yamato hasn't really interacted with the crew yet. I was comparing Carrot's actual interaction with the crew to the hypothetical interactions between Yamato and the Straw Hats some people in this thread were imagining.
I was saying I do not think fangirling over the crew would be an appealing dynamic. I also don't think that's what's going to happen when she meets them regardless of whether or not she joins.
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Yamato did not behaved like Bartolomeo at all upon meeting Luffy and Franky.
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I don't really see where this Yamato fangirl angle comes from.
Like, I'm pretty sure Yamato is interested in strong pirates in general. Not just the Straw Hats. They're just the reference she has thanks to Ace.
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So at any rate, in regards to whichever character you feel will join Luffy, I'm inclined to ask that with the material that has been physically presented in the manga so far, how would that character and Luffy benefit each other's stories?
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and his DF being themed as “guardian deity of Wano” don’t help.
But cannonically speaking, Yamato has clearly stated she doesnt care about that.
That statement is just speculative, since you'll need one huge of a reason to make Yamato suddenly change her mind in the whatever years she's had said fruit and never cared.
Sure, something's coming out of that, but I dont think that's happening here and now, especially considering how slow-paced story arcs develop nowadays.
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I don't really see where this Yamato fangirl angle comes from.
Yamato did not behaved like Bartolomeo at all upon meeting Luffy and Franky.
Not to Bart levels, no. And I wouldn't have described it that way until he showed up in the anime. Then he hid a giggle and an excited clap and hopping up in down thing that is just… super duper enthusiastic and excited. . And then did it again around Momo right before makign the "I am Oden" speech.
They added in some mannerisms and extra excitement that's not quite there on the page and I don't know how else to describe it.
But no, not like Bart. Bart takes it up to 11. Yamato is at like, a 3.
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Yamato did not behaved like Bartolomeo at all upon meeting Luffy and Franky.
I agree, which is why I disagree with the comparisons being made. She does seem to have deep reverence for Luffy and indicated familiarity with Franky, but I saw no evidence of hero worship.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I never said Yamato doesn't fit at all. I'm saying fangirling like Bartolomeo wouldn't be an appealing crew dynamic if Yamato joins.
Sanji barely interacted with Nami and Usopp before joining (some ineraction with Nami).
Chopper didn't interact with Zoro or Usopp before joining.
Robin only positively interacted with Luffy before joining.
Franky primarily interacted with Usopp, Sanji, and Robin before joining. He had only one real positive interaction with Luffy before joining.
Brook accepted an invitation to join before meeting Zoro, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, or Franky.
Jimbei met Luffy almost 100 chapters before meeting the rest of the crew.I don't think it matters if Carrot has had limited interaction (not zero interaction; They have spoken to and are familiar with Carrot) with a few members of the crew or that Yamato hasn't met the other Straw Hats besides Luffy and Franky yet.
I think it's odd Oda has chosen to have Yamato not meet the Straw Hats yet, but I'm not sure it has any bearing on joining or not joining. It could mean he wants to save her meeting the crew to make her joining a surprise / shock, or it could mean something else. The only part hat struck me as unusual was Yamato declaring an intent to join Luffy without being invited first or meeting the crew. Which, again, doesn't mean she can't join. It's just atypical. But I also don't believe there are any rigid patterns for Straw Hats joining the crew.
I do have several big questions which I think need to be answered before I'm fully on board with Yamato joining, but lack of interactions with the Straw Hats isn't one of them. Motivation and dream are really the only unanswered questions which really matter.
The point I was making that if Yamato meets the crew and joins, I really don't want her to fangirl over them as did Bartolomeo. It would be really weird to have one member of a group of friends obsessing over the others and putting them on a pedestal. That would only serve to make Yamato continue to feel like an outsider raher than an actual member of the group. If Yamato's going to join, she needs to blend in as one of them rather than fawn over the others. I only brought up Carrot because her closer bonds and natural interaction with the crew is one of the primary reasons I believe she's going to join. If Yamato joins, I hope she will be able to similarly assimilate into the group. Delaying her meeting any more members of the crew such that so that she can go full Bartolomeo when they're all assemble is the opposite of what I'd hope to see in a new crewmate. I don't think that's what's going to happen, but the suggestion was made in this thread which is what I was referring to in my post.
Yamato indicated familiarity with Franky, but I didn't read any obsessive hero worship into her interaction with him. The only one Yamato seems to hold such reverence for is Luffy.
Perhaps you're simply reading more into the word "fanboy/fangirl" than I am, because I am in no way expecting anything near Bartolomeo level out of Yamato.
What I mean, and all that I mean, is that Yamato has spent two years getting himself acquainted with the Strawhats in the only ways he could - presumably largely through things he's read or overheard, and he's going to be eager to properly meet the crew once the opportunity to do so arrives, especially since he intends/expects to join them when all is said and done. Combine that eagerness with the fact that most of what he knows about the Strawhats comes purely by way of their reputations, and I don't think a bit of mild "fanboying" would be unexpected during their initial interactions, then mellowing out and settling into a more natural group dynamic as everyone gets to know each other.
Not, "ZOMG! Are you SOGEKING!?" but more, "Hey, the name's Yamato. I've heard a lot about you guys. Is it true you did X? What was THAT like?" A lot of questions and enthusiasm.
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I don't really see where this Yamato fangirl angle comes from.
Like, I'm pretty sure Yamato is interested in strong pirates in general. Not just the Straw Hats. They're just the reference she has thanks to Ace.
That was before he met Ace and Ace told them about Luffy s dream.
Growing up Yamato was waiting for strong pirates/joy boy to finally reach Wano. Then he met Ace and thought he was Joy Boy and would return to the country, but then Ace died so Yams remembered the story about Luffy, so for thea past two years hes been waiting for the SH crew specificaly.He may have taken a ride with someone else, given the chance, but he would be looking for Luffy and no one else.
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That was before he met Ace and Ace told them about Luffy s dream.
Growing up Yamato was waiting for strong pirates/joy boy to finally reach Wano. Then he met Ace and thought he was Joy Boy and would return to the country, but then Ace died so Yams remembered the story about Luffy, so for thea past two years hes been waiting for the SH crew specificaly.He may have taken a ride with someone else, given the chance, but he would be looking for Luffy and no one else.
Ah, didn't think of that, that Yamato suspected that Ace was Joy Boy and figured it was him after presumably learning about Oden writing about Joy Boy's return. I guess she assumes Luffy is Joy Boy now even though she hasn't come out and named him as such.
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I'm baffled. How come people still using Carrot as a basis of argument? How many panels are her appearance in 2021, how important those panels to show her motivation, characterization etc if Oda really built her to join?
Against someone else with so many important moments to show motivations, characterizations, flashbacks, fighting abilities, (and this is important) GOALS?
"No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk.." - Venat
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Yamato is joining and is our last member. People should be getting this through their thick skulls already.
All the arguments against are lazy and blind.
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Yeah, right now, the only character getting protagonist treatment is Yamato.
She's been CONSTANTLY getting focus and doing things in the story since her introduction. Even the likes of Law doesn't show up as often, despite being extremely popular himself.
This is like the primary argument that people just conveniently forget for whatever reason.
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Why so edgy ? Some posters are just trying to be inflammatory, lol
and personally I don't even care about her joining.
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I'm baffled. How come people still using Carrot as a basis of argument? How many panels are her appearance in 2021, how important those panels to show her motivation, characterization etc if Oda really built her to join?
Against someone else with so many important moments to show motivations, characterizations, flashbacks, fighting abilities, (and this is important) GOALS?
No one compared Yamato against Carrot.
And unless Oda goes back and erases the past, it doesn't really matter to me she hasn't been prominent in Wano. I still believe she's going to join.
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@Dorobō:
Yamato is joining and is our last member. People should be getting this through their thick skulls already.
All the arguments against are lazy and blind.
Stop with lazy insults. If you don't want to deal with people discussing things instead of parroting your opinions, stay out of the topic.
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@Dorobō:
Yamato is joining and is our last member. People should be getting this through their thick skulls already.
All the arguments against are lazy and blind.
Yes, it's Yamato's race to lose. That doesn't mean you get to insult others who think differently. This is flaming, and it's not allowed.
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I don't really see where this Yamato fangirl angle comes from.
Like, I'm pretty sure Yamato is interested in strong pirates in general. Not just the Straw Hats. They're just the reference she has thanks to Ace.
Yamato is interested in Luffy in particular because he has the same crazy dream Roger had.
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Going to be interesting to see how much degeneracy this cycle of crewmate discussion can gather together when all is said and done. From my very own anecdotal memory I think I'd still give the crown to the Jinbe joining debate just based on how long it ran even past Fishman Island and how truly weird some of the arguments against Jinbe were. My impression on the Franky debates is rather tame in retrospect. Wanomate debates so far haven't been that degenerate all in all vs baffling. At least I haven't seen the argument yet that would rival Jinbe being too big for Sunny's doors.
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I'm baffled. How come people still using Carrot as a basis of argument? How many panels are her appearance in 2021, how important those panels to show her motivation, characterization etc if Oda really built her to join?
Against someone else with so many important moments to show motivations, characterizations, flashbacks, fighting abilities, (and this is important) GOALS?
Another interesting point, since I've seen it justified that Carrot has less panel time at Wano because she already got a lot of crucially important panel time at Whole Cake, reasoning that she's the same as Jinbe since he had less panels for a time after appearing in many panels at Fishman Island. "She'll have more time later" can also go so far as well.
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People who come in here and try to just dismiss other people's picks with lazy/no arguments aren't worth listening to so just ignore their whining. It's better to have a discussion because that's the point of a thread.
With that in mind I feel like the only reason Hancock and Yamato were paired is because they are both biologically female and the only ones in that line-up. Just by process of elimination: Ace & Sabo make sense with each other, Kid and Law make sense with each other. And if you were going to pair the remaining 4 I think two old men and two girls make sense.
As for why Hancock was chosen, I'm going to assume its because she's popular and powerful. I don't think its ay deeper than that personally. The anime loves using Hancock where they can.
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People who come in here and try to just dismiss other people's picks with lazy/no arguments aren't worth listening to so just ignore their whining. It's better to have a discussion because that's the point of a thread.
With that in mind I feel like the only reason Hancock and Yamato were paired is because they are both biologically female and the only ones in that line-up. Just by process of elimination: Ace & Sabo make sense with each other, Kid and Law make sense with each other. And if you were going to pair the remaining 4 I think two old men and two girls make sense.
As for why Hancock was chosen, I'm going to assume its because she's popular and powerful. I don't think its ay deeper than that personally. The anime loves using Hancock where they can.
Looking at it again, I suppose it would also have to do with how Yamato and Hancock were among the four most popular One Piece women, including Nami and Robin. Five if you count Vivi's split-second cameo from the episode 1000 opening.
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This is like the primary argument that people just conveniently forget for whatever reason.
And the fact that people keep deciding to forget this is why it's all so lazy. And it's not an insult or flaming to point this out.
Like really? Is there any argument that will acknowledge how much focus Yamato is getting? Like will Yamato travel with Luffy all the way to end and not be a crew member? lol
Which is why so far every argument is so easy to discredit and should not be taken seriously. They start talking about Yamato while also forgetting every single fucking thing about him, make up headcanon and/or ignore how this story works.
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@Dorobō:
And the fact that people keep deciding to forget this is why it's all so lazy. And it's not an insult or flaming to point this out.
You weren't pointing anything out in that post, simply calling people thick-skulled, any and all opposing arguments lazy. That's picking a fight for its own sake. That's flaming.
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It's probably a nonsense line of thinking or argument, but Fuga being a friend to Yamato has opened up bigger questions that can lead to Yams having their own followers post-arc, if not enough to make their own crew. How many other beast pirates have friendly relationships with Yams that are hiding in the woodworks waiting to come out looking for someone new to follow after Kaido falls? Do any of the other numbers share this too, or is Fuga special? What's the endgame for these character post-arc?
It'll probably be as simple as Fuga being special and being left to be "a new guardian defender of Wano" while the rest all go off doing their own thing or making other collective crews, but it's still got me curious to see what more is gonna come from this.
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I have pointed out the lazy arguments plenty in past posts but whatever.
Want me to edit in that trying to say Yamato will serve Momo and/or is too much a fangirl is lazy? Just to make it less flamey? Because it all is lazy. Might as well say Yamato is too tall for the Sunny doors as a valid fair argument too. It caries as much weight.
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@Dorobō:
I have pointed out the lazy arguments plenty in past posts but whatever.
Want me to edit in that trying to say Yamato will serve Momo and/or is too much a fangirl is lazy? Just to make it less flamey? Because it all is lazy. Might as well say Yamato is too tall for the Sunny doors as a valid fair argument too. It caries as much weight.
It's using insulting terms like lazy, thick-skulled, etc. that is the problem. What are you trying to contribute to the conversation? It sounds like you're only interested in shutting down conversation.
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Do it how you want, but attack the issue, not the people.
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