Not condescending. It is possible that they miss his eyes as well.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 8 - Onigashima)
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Well…there it is.
The literal King of the Pirates telling him that he's going to have his moment+ the fact we've never seen Pedro's Sulong, that's it, that's always been about enough basis to me.
I'm a simple man, I theorize about Pedro witnsessing the Dawn with Sulong activated, I press like.
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Oh hey Pedro talk is back. Good times to be had.
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Not condescending. It is possible that they miss his eyes as well.
Yeah. The "Caesar missed Monet's heart" theory is based on a similar logic, as is Pell and Pagaya's surviving (the explosion/lightning missed them by this little much)
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I don't know about that. They're really going at it on his eyes and there's blood as they hold his head still. Once they can't see the Moon, the transformation is over going by Carrot's situation.
Bon Kurei was facing off against a poison man that had no qualms about killing and said he was prepared to die. But now he's fine. Because we didn't see the actual moment, just the intent leading up to it.
Pell carried a bomb and was at the center of an explosion that could have wiped out a city. But now he's fine. Because we didn't see the actual moment, just the intent leading up to it.
Pound had his head chopped off. Blood on the sword and everything. But now he's fine. Because we didn't see the actual moment, just the intent leading up to it.
Etc. etc.
When the camera cuts away and you don't actually see the hit on camera, or the aftermath, it's generally safe to assume there was an out at play that we just didn't see at the time. ESPECIALLY in One Piece which only has like three confirmed present day deaths out of literally hundreds of apparent deaths. And all of those were explicitly on-camera with multiple things confirming it and credible witnesses.
In Pekom's case, you see guys piling on him, threatening to do awful things, but you don't see the actual final result. What happened two seconds after we stopped looking there?
Even "kill em all!" Game of Thrones cheated more than a few times with "well you just assume this character is dead now because we implied it. But later you find out X happened at the last second."
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
don't want that opinion to be discussed anymore because it's 'objectively wrong.'
Not the reason at all…
There is absolutely nothing new about her to discuss, and yet she becomes the center of the discussion over and over and over and over again, for no reason...
With the same old arguments being repeated over and over and over and over again, for years now...
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The worst part about the “Pedro is alive” thing is that, despite me really wanting a meaningful death there, it’s indeed possible for Pedro (and Pekoms) to be alive, maybe captured by the BM Pirates, and saved once they come to Onigashima in Act 4. So, I’m not putting my finger in that anthill. I’ll wait and see in that regard.
Anyway, both Carrot and Yamato do not feel like crewmates to me. Both have some barriers I need to see breached before they reach that status. Both have failed to exceed my expectations for them.
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The self-victimization is ridiculous
Funny, because you're one of the people I was referring to.
Nothing here about 'victimization'. The problem is we can't really have a conversation because there are way too many posts trying to analyze and criticize 'Carrot supporters' in general than the actual character. Once you make that jump, it's not about the story anymore.
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My take has always been him losing 1 eye. I do consider the chances of losing none of his eyes or both. The filler went into Pedro's voice still living within Pekoms despite not being present. The same happened to Carrot with Pedro's words still in her head.
It's not even just the blood, it's the mention of his eyes that makes me believe in him losing 1 eye opposed to both or none at all. Oda could just leave it at holding Pedro's head still and showing them hack and slash with blood coming out to capture there's some consequence. Instead, there's a mention of a specific target.
As for Pedro or anything left ambiguous concerning death. I stand by not liking it being off paneled to begin with. I don't have any disdain if they end up dead or alive as the result. I just dislike the initial decision to be left open.
When Pound returns, I don't see a reason to be pissed or pleased. Same as if Pedro stays dead or returns. If you showed them clearly surviving or dying, maybe I would have reason to be engaged or invested.
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Not the reason at all…
There is absolutely nothing new about her to discuss, and yet she becomes the center of the discussion over and over and over and over again, for no reason...
With the same old arguments being repeated over and over and over and over again, for years now...
It's just so tiresome...To be honest, that's something that's only unique to people who come to this thread. Honestly speaking there's like barely any Carrot talk anywhere else, ever.
So if you really think it's tiresome, then it's relative to how much time is spent in this thread alone.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Funny, because you're one of the people I was referring to.
Nothing here about 'victimization'. The problem is we can't really have a conversation because there are way too many posts trying to analyze and criticize 'Carrot supporters' in general than the actual character. Once you make that jump, it's not about the story anymore.
I'm not stopping anyone from discussing Carrot. I'm not trying to run anybody out of this thread because of their stance. I'm not the one who called a ceasefire until Carrot returns to the story. I'm not throwing shade at "Carrot supporters" in general. In fact, I haven't discussed Carrot's chances in over month. My issue is people making criticism against Carrot out to be hate speech, people acting like they're being forced out of this thread simply because they support a certain character. And yes, to me this very much looks like self-victimization, but DarthAsthma put it much more eloquently than I ever could so I've got nothing to add.
If you have an issue with my posts or think that I'm crossing a line, or if it's a different person doing so, report it. Shift will probably be happy to take a look and tell that person to reign it in if he agrees. But don't give me that "we're being bullied out!" story. -
We're quickly approaching four years since Pedro's death in the Manga. Chapter 878, released on September 16, 2017.
One of the biggest criticisms of this thread from others on this site and other places in general is how this thread keeps talking in circles. Look at wolfwood's comments. What, pray tell, has changed with Carrot's chances in these last four years? She got one panel where they welcomed Jinbei, but was absent from the toast, the storming of the Torii gate, and the "It's the Strawhats!" panel when the raid began. She finally confronted Perospero, where she got soundly beaten off-screen. Her Sulong is less unique since Wanda has the same aesthetic.
In these four years, we're actually at a point where Carrot has less to her plot now. That's not hate. She resolved some of it, and props to her for that. She challenged Perospero and lost. All she has now that she lost to Perospero is the vague "Keep moving forward!" There isn't something compelling about that to put her in the plot right now, it's more of a conclusion to the arc. That's why she's only appeared twice in the past year.
And that's the thing. It's not that people don't want to talk Carrot or hate her. It's that we literally wouldn't be talking about her at all because she's just not relevant to the immediate action in the manga. It's been six months! She doesn't appear at all, so we don't think about her. She'll be relevant later. So when we want to talk new things, we can't because people are in here saying "Remember WCI? That was a good time for new nakama." Which is literally the criticism people have about this thread. If anything, that's what's driving people out of this thread.
Look, I get it. Carrot's your favorite song you love to play on repeat since the writer hasn't put out a new album you liked in ages. But not everyone feels the same and wants to talk about the current manga, not four year old stuff that shifted to Carrot after Hancock/Shirahoshi/Monet/Perona/Rebecca were written out of the immediate story. It's confusing because all this Carrot stuff SOUNDS recent because we're in the anime. But the anime is literally a repeat of stuff we already discussed a year ago. And all of that is just a rehash of stuff from four years ago. So it's exciting when the manga shows Neko kick Peros out of the skull dome toward Carrot because maybe she'll appear again for new material to discuss. Or maybe she's knocked out for good and Neko will get angrier about Carrot and Wanda unconscious knowing Peros did it. Carrot herself has not appeared, so there's little to talk about regarding her.
It's a classic boy who cried wolf thing. For years we've been hearing that Carrot's moment is coming, her big shining moment where she whoops Peros and avenges Pedro and realizes what the Dawn is. WCI finished without any of that. Wano Act 1 finished without any of that, but didn't give Carrot an immediate Wano mission like protecting Toko or Tama like the Strawhats got. Ace 2 finished without any of that. And Act 3 off-screened her big fight. I just don't believe anyone who says her big moment is coming anymore because they've been wrong for the last four years. Sure, it will come, and some people will gloat that they knew all along, but for now saying Carrot's big shining moment is coming just has a bad taste with how much the goalposts have moved.
But to frame this thread as full of Yamato fans who hate Carrot is just rude and self-victimizing. It's like we called out the boy who cried wolf for lying, and they're trying to twist that into we hate them for not drinking the koolade with them.
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When it comes to dialogue, I wouldn't throw Pell and Pound in the same category as Pekoms. Those 2 just have visual cues with them to adhere to what Oda can pull off as they think to themselves. Pekoms has guys being vocal about what they're going for specifically and that separates the situations. If Oda took out the barbaric comments from Pekoms torturers, I would lean towards him losing no eyes. Here, there's a reason to enter those comments opposed to just Pekoms thinking to himself as the bad guys go at it.
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Likely? All three? Nah. Carrot and Yamato? sucks air through teeth I wouldn't count it out! Has zero to do with what I 'want/don't want' to happen. Just that it seems like something he'd be willing to do at this point. Wouldn't be the first time he made a crazeballs choice on a whim.
So i have to ask again, is Oda open to more than 10 characters joining? A possible strawhat 13 in the works?
Also when the crew is complete will Oda let readers know via announcement or in the story?
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@Zik:
So i have to ask again, is Oda open to more than 10 characters joining? A possible strawhat 13 in the works?
Also when the crew is complete will Oda let readers know via announcement or in the story?
I mean it'll probably be in the same vein of asking whether Oda gives any real clout to the 2.9 Fruit theory which many people (including me) want to see fulfilled. There's not ever going to be a clear cut answer until we reach the end of the series and look at it in retrospect. It's not in the author's favour to ruin the surprise while it's still being written.
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Bon Kurei was facing off against a poison man that had no qualms about killing and said he was prepared to die. But now he's fine. Because we didn't see the actual moment, just the intent leading up to it.
Pell carried a bomb and was at the center of an explosion that could have wiped out a city. But now he's fine. Because we didn't see the actual moment, just the intent leading up to it.
Pound had his head chopped off. Blood on the sword and everything. But now he's fine. Because we didn't see the actual moment, just the intent leading up to it.
Etc. etc.
When the camera cuts away and you don't actually see the hit on camera, or the aftermath, it's generally safe to assume there was an out at play that we just didn't see at the time. ESPECIALLY in One Piece which only has like three confirmed present day deaths out of literally hundreds of apparent deaths. And all of those were explicitly on-camera with multiple things confirming it and credible witnesses.
In Pekom's case, you see guys piling on him, threatening to do awful things, but you don't see the actual final result. What happened two seconds after we stopped looking there?
Even "kill em all!" Game of Thrones cheated more than a few times with "well you just assume this character is dead now because we implied it. But later you find out X happened at the last second."
So Stannis IS STILL ALIVE!
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I mean it'll probably be in the same vein of asking whether Oda gives any real clout to the 2.9 Fruit theory which many people (including me) want to see fulfilled. There's not ever going to be a clear cut answer until we reach the end of the series and look at it in retrospect. It's not in the author's favour to ruin the surprise while it's still being written.
Nah, I don't agree with at all.
2.9 theory is something fans came across, brought to Oda as a question, and he most likely dropped it.
10 crewmates or more is something stated in the first chapter and Oda has slow played it for 20 years when he easily could've got 10 before the time skip or the first arc right after. Whether he had all 10 strawhats thought out or not if he only intended 10 that matters. Same as if he changed his mind and added more.
Given other interviews alluding to it in not entirely sure we'll have to wait until the end of the series to see if only 10 characters will join. Also there is no ruined surprise if he's done adding crew mates. Its right there in the first chapter.
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I would be surprised if the Strawhats finished the story with their crew's current form being their final one.
And in the end, it doesn't matter since they've slowly made like 1/9 of the world their crew who will show up in Noah, Zunisha, (maybe W7, though I don't like its chances as of late) etc. and help them kick ass.
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It's that kind of oh what would be the harm reasoning that made the latehats an oh so terrifying possibility. Little late coming vampires sucking the screentime from the golden oldies, why it was better in my day when gas cost 6 sek per liter i tells ya
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Wasn't there an interview or something where Oda said two Straw Hats would join really close to one another? I know some people think one is Jinbei but that's never sat right with me, seeing as he was asked to join so long ago and technically did on Whole Cake but then had to leave again so they couldn't celebrate. That, along with the fact I kind see a reason why Luffy would turnaway Yamato and Carrot is why I think both will join. My opinion of course.
Regarding Pekoms, I always felt like he didn't die specifically because they only mention removing his eyes. Removing someones eyes doesn't kill them and as far as we know, Pekoms is the only Mink on Big Moms crew so getting rid of him wouldn't allow her to have her crew with every species on it. I've always felt like those two factors (but more so that they didn't say to kill Pekoms, just remove his eyes) is why Pekoms can easily come back. This is different from Pedro who killed himself and we saw die on screen and everyone acts like he is dead or even Monet where we saw her heart get stabbed and then saw her react to it and collapse.
I feel like a lot of the fakeout deaths fans list shouldn't really count when they get an explanation for why they survived (i.e. Family Franky and Galley-La). If they don't get explained, like Pell and Mr. 2, then that's fair game.
As for the Carrot hate argument, I think the reason Carrot fans feel like they're being target is really because there is nothing new to talk about with Carrot. She hasn' been around so there is no new evidence for or against her. But it feels like evey time there is new evidence for Yamato, someone comes in here and specifically uses it to take another jab at Carrot fans, even though it doesn't really mean anything for her chances. It's kind of like kicking an injured horse. The people kicking it don't care, they think its dead, but the horse isn't enjoying it and wondering why its being kicked when its down. if that makes sense.
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Well, I won't contribute to any ongoing debate and we'll probably go around in circles who is responsible. I'm not claiming there are any 'victims', but it was frustrating reading posts talking about the problems with Carrot supporters rather than Carrot, the character. I'm perfectly happy with a difference of opinion.
I will reiterate, I have questions about Yamato joining, but am not against Yamato joining. And I also don't adhere to a 10 Straw Hat theory or number theory.
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I don't know the numbers. Does Yamato fit 2.9 so far? If he does, is the logia user requirement dead now?
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Greg has said the number theory (DF fruit for strawhats) and such is dead
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Wasn't there an interview or something where Oda said two Straw Hats would join really close to one another?
No, there isn't.
I'm pretty sure somewhere between Reddit, Youtube, fb and Twitter, there's gotta be someone responsible for keeping this myth alive.
Uhmm
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Greg has said the number theory (DF fruit for strawhats) and such is dead
It never lived for me since Moku Moku doesn't fit.
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Not that I agreed with it, but I enjoyed watching the math whether it was incorrect or not. I hope Greg's comment doesn't kill it. These threads deserve math.
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Well in the end, despite how hard and long we theorized about anything, we can only accept when Oda drops a divebomb, destroying all of our well-thought, detailed theories lol.
I don't like the numbers theory because it seems too restrictive imo. Why just limit yourself to a very specific number?
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If nothing else the number theory is a lot of fun
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Why just limit yourself to a very specific number?
i would not have thought that this theory have some ground to stand on if not for the first four DF, the date Sunny go was created on, and this pic right here
whether this theory is true or not, i just know that Oda had some form of idea before Sunny Go debut
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Sunny getting 325 puns is normal for Oda, so its debut and references to 325 don't really rock the boat for me. The number theory, while interesting, seems too convoluted.
On that note, it always struck me as odd that Luffy's bithday is May 5th. 5/5. Why not May 6, or June 5? Get that Gomu pun in there. Instead he went for children's day in Japan. So he sacrificed the number pun for a thematic purpose. The last nakama could very well have theme/importance trump any silly number theory. While Oda does have fun with numbers, sometimes a number is just a number. That's how I feel about the DF correlations.
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I would be surprised if the Strawhats finished the story with their crew's current form being their final one.
And in the end, it doesn't matter since they've slowly made like 1/9 of the world their crew who will show up in Noah, Zunisha, (maybe W7, though I don't like its chances as of late) etc. and help them kick ass.
I was more concerned with the new characters (and old) that'll join the crew along their journey not as much as the allies that'll tag along for an adventure or all the allies that'll show up for the big war since that doesn't necessarily count to me but okay.
I just wonder at what number Oda may stop with official strawhats and if that will be made known to readers either by him or in the story (like through Luffy).
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I have to say even though I don't buy into Tama joining whatsoever, I really enjoyed the number theory behind her potential Fruit ability, which I believe is still not yet named.
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I have to say even though I don't buy into Tama joining whatsoever, I really enjoyed the number theory behind her potential Fruit ability, which I believe is still not yet named.
Its the Kibi Kibi no Mi, doesn't fit even if Oda was still doing the Number theory.
I don't think an 8 year old who can't fight worth a lick is ever close to joining
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It wouldn't. The story would actually be far better if he stays dead. I'd much prefer it.
But Oda can't help himself and his track record speaks for itself so I still fully expect Pedro to walk back onto the scene at the end of the arc along with Pekoms to help lift the mood of the whole party. (Or whenever the Big Mom stuff is fully done.) Or just treat it like Pell where its a blink and miss it thing until cover stories where he contributes absolutely nothing.
That said, Yasuie seems pretty certainly 100% dead so maybe Oda's being better about it now after Greg wrote him that letter.
I mean, Pell survived in the same arc in which Luffy survived getting stabbed through the chest and being thrown into a ditch. Oda could have had Pell die so as to benefit Vivi's story more, but in her case, there were guards that recklessly gave their lives to defend her kingdom, in addition to the hundreds of people threatening to kill each other, and that just leaves me thinking that Pell is meant to embody the recurring theme of enough hope and determination being possible to pull through otherwise incredible odds, meaning that killing Pell wasn't necessary to drive forward Vivi's story more. That definitely seems different in Luffy's case where Ace's death served to directly move along his story and Whitebeard's death helping bring a new era, and perhaps a similar thing could happen in Carrot's case.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Well, I won't contribute to any ongoing debate and we'll probably go around in circles who is responsible. I'm not claiming there are any 'victims', but it was frustrating reading posts talking about the problems with Carrot supporters rather than Carrot, the character. I'm perfectly happy with a difference of opinion.
I will reiterate, I have questions about Yamato joining, but am not against Yamato joining. And I also don't adhere to a 10 Straw Hat theory or number theory.
Feeling the need to say this kinda just falls back in to that sports team train of thought.
This isn't a Yamato supporters against Carrot supporters thing.
This is Carrot supporters mostly arguing with ppl who don't believe Carrot has any chances. That some of those ppl support Yamato joining or just think he has the best chances of joining doesn't have anything to do with Carrot.
If Yamsto did not exist those ppl would still think Carrot had the same bad chances.
I don't think anybody thinks you or any Carrot supporter has to be anti-Yamato in order to support Carrot.
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@Zik:
Feeling the need to say this kinda just falls back in to that sports team train of thought.
This isn't a Yamato supporters against Carrot supporters thing.
This is Carrot supporters mostly arguing with ppl who don't believe Carrot has any chances. That some of those ppl support Yamato joining or just think he has the best chances of joining doesn't have anything to do with Carrot.
If Yamsto did not exist those ppl would still think Carrot had the same bad chances.
I don't think anybody thinks you or any Carrot supporter has to be anti-Yamato in order to support Carrot.
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. It's so frustrating reading posts like this. They're not about the characters, they're trying to directly about people who believe a certain character will join.
I said it because I have seen some sentiment that not being entirely certain about Yamato is directly related to believing Carrot will join within this thread and I do not believe that to be the case.
But that being said, you're saying here you don't agree with that characterization, so I think it's good to just move on from hat point of conversation.
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I don't like the numbers theory because it seems too restrictive imo. Why just limit yourself to a very specific number?
I agree with this. I also think if it were true, he probably wouldn't have responded to that reader question in the first place because he would be showing his hand way too early when the '2.9' character appears.
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We've been saying Carrot isn't joining for five years. "Team Yamato" has nothing to do with it.
It's entirely about the Carrot theories being unconvincing.
And that they're STILL coming, even now, when Carrot has done basically nothing for three years.
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@Zar:
If Pedro didn't die I would've probably considered him the strongest contender for the Strawhat crew up until Yamato arrived. Somehow he felt so right, I genuinely wanted to see him sail.
One of my favourite characters in the whole post-time skip.
Someone who understands
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Pedro, living status pending :sad:, is/was the strongest contender, period.
@Greg:Not saying that happened here, but it totally could have. I want Pedro dead as much as the next person….as grim as that sounds...
The horror!
@Monquito:The literal King of the Pirates telling him that he's going to have his moment+ the fact we've never seen Pedro's Sulong, that's it, that's always been about enough basis to me.
I'm a simple man, I theorize about Pedro witnsessing the Dawn with Sulong activated, I press like.
I'm pressing that like and subscribe button!
Prediction: Pedro's Sulong form will grant him two tails
@wolfwood:Oh hey Pedro talk is back. Good times to be had.
Except there isn't anything to talk about besides Nekomamushi fighting Perospero for Pedro's sake. Not a strong talking point.
No, no…this will turn back to debating mainly for/against Yamato until Tama matures and/or Carrot gets up to witness (and maybe participate) in Nekomamushi vs Perospero. This thread will be at an all-time madness if/when that transpires.
@Deicide:The worst part about the “Pedro is alive” thing is that, despite me really wanting a meaningful death there, it’s indeed possible for Pedro (and Pekoms) to be alive, maybe captured by the BM Pirates, and saved once they come to Onigashima in Act 4. So, I’m not putting my finger in that anthill. I’ll wait and see in that regard.
Anyway, both Carrot and Yamato do not feel like crewmates to me. Both have some barriers I need to see breached before they reach that status. Both have failed to exceed my expectations for them.
I want Pedro and Pekoms to come back…but these battles are winding down.
Kaido vs Yamato; Luffy will tag in and I don't see Luffy losing the next bout
King and Queen vs Zoro and Sanji
Jack vs InuarashiBig Mom vs Kid and Law
Perospero vs NekomamushiHawkins vs Killer
Fukurokuju vs Raizo
All of the Topi Roppo, minus X Drake, are out for the count.
Denjiro, Kawamatsu, and Izou should be capable to fight any plot related opponents like if Orochi comes back again (which is possible).
Groups of Gifters, Pleasures, and Waiters are now on the Alliance side.
Apoo could rebound but what could he do to turn the tides? Or would he try to join the Alliance when defeat is close?Not sure there is even a reason to extend Wano to more Acts when it's already over 100 chapters at this point. Those battles, Kaido/Yamato flashback, plus whatever other plot points are what...20-25 chapters...30 tops. That's plenty long enough. Strawhats can still potentially deal with Big Mom and her crew at Elbaf. Or Emerald City where I believe Vegapunk resides. Big Mom definitely gives off Wicked Witch vibes.
But...what will the BM Pirates do if they finally get upstream and the war is over? I guess that depends on how the World Government through CP0 and the Marines through SWORD reacts.
@kevinds:We're quickly approaching four years since Pedro's death in the Manga. Chapter 878, released on September 16, 2017.
Damn…it's been a while. At least he went out in a bang. rimshot
I upset myself...:sad:
@Zik:Nah, I don't agree with at all.
2.9 theory is something fans came across, brought to Oda as a question, and he most likely dropped it.
10 crewmates or more is something stated in the first chapter and Oda has slow played it for 20 years when he easily could've got 10 before the time skip or the first arc right after. Whether he had all 10 strawhats thought out or not if he only intended 10 that matters. Same as if he changed his mind and added more.
Given other interviews alluding to it in not entirely sure we'll have to wait until the end of the series to see if only 10 characters will join. Also there is no ruined surprise if he's done adding crew mates. Its right there in the first chapter.
If the DF Number Theory was something Oda was planning, I doubt he drop it after 4 of the 5 crewmates were on-board. If the theory is true, I surmise that Oda would try to hide the clues better. Or not. shrug
And more people could join after 10 crewmates but they would not have a devil fruit ability. The logia train is gone since not many natural elements left…unless there is one known that fits the theory but I don't recall any.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. It's so frustrating reading posts like this. They're not about the characters, they're trying to directly about people who believe a certain character will join.
Well it's not hard to point out bias.
I said it because I have seen some sentiment that not being entirely certain about Yamato is directly related to believing Carrot will join within this thread and I do not believe that to be the case.
That's cuz of the inconsistency in the logic.
Saying you (not you specifically) still don't think Yamato has any signs of being a strawhat after going on and on about one panel where Carrot is thinking about Pedro's words and that indicates something about her joining is pretty ridiculous.
@Berry:If the DF Number Theory was something Oda was planning, I doubt he drop it after 4 of the 5 crewmates were on-board. If the theory is true, I surmise that Oda would try to hide the clues better. Or not. shrug
And more people could join after 10 crewmates but they would not have a devil fruit ability. The logia train is gone since not many natural elements left…unless there is one known that fits the theory but I don't recall any.
I think Oda dropped it for the mere fact that he addressed it in a SBS.
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@Zik:
Well it's not hard to point out bias.
That's cuz of the inconsistency in the logic.
Saying you (not you specifically) still don't think Yamato has any signs of being a strawhat after going on and on about one panel where Carrot is thinking about Pedro's words and that indicates something about her joining is pretty ridiculous.
I think Oda dropped it for the mere fact that he addressed it in a SBS.
I never said Yamato shows no signs of being a Straw Hat. I have said I'm not sold yet because there are a few points that are still missing for me. But of course there are also a lot of points in her favor. I have pretty consistently said there are quite a few signs in Yamato's favor, but I still think there are other viable outcomes. The biggest thing for me is a dream. If a flashback fills that in or something more concrete is established, I would be a lot more convinced than I am now.
But my broader point is that I'm looking at Yamato and Carrot independently, not one versus the other. Unlike Franky and Paulie, they wouldn't even occupy the same hypothetical role on the ship, so I see no problem with both Carrot and Yamato joining. While I understand the 'three at one time' arguments against, I also think it's important to remember Luffy extended the offer to Jimbei almost 400 chapters ago. It has been a matter of when, not if for a very long time now. Carrot was also introduced in Zou, nearly 175 chapters apart from Yamato. Even if multiple characters celebrate joining simultaneously, they all entered the story at different times.
EDIT: seeing the 'not you specifically' now. Too lazy to edit, but want to acknowledge
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I never said Yamato shows no signs of being a Straw Hat.
Did you really just ignore what I said and still take it as I'm talking about you?
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I'm not talking about you. You are not the only Carrot supporter.
Forget it.
EDIT: seeing the 'not you specifically' now. Too lazy to edit, but want to acknowledge
I was about to say.
Can't have a discussion about several groups of ppl and then take every statement personally when the group is being discussed.
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