Greg given that Od will focus on what King is in the next few chapters, when will Oda also reveal what Kaido is supposed to be ? Or did he drop that ?
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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So, why asume the comic strip powers from the start are the same as the current iteration?
Because Law and Drake knew the No. 3 suit's power and name from the comics, Stealth Black. So why assume anything else?
To me, the Raid Suits were always the source of their power.
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Niji used an electricity punch and knee without the suit. Can't be the source of the power if it's being used without said source.
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Comics get new writers and get retconned and reworked all the time.
Emma Frost in X-Men can turn into diamonds now when she used to just be a telepath. Stuff gets weird when a comic runs long enough.
So, why asume the comic strip powers from the start are the same as the current iteration?
Ehm.because Law and Co totoally recognized Stealth Black… So why should Judge give him such a suit if it isn't based on it
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Well, the origins of the comic could be very interesting.
Both the evil super sentai team and the hero being named Sora are way to big to be coincidences. The comic already existed and then Judge met a girl named Sora? Or did he order/payed someone to publish the comic and create that myth in peoples' heads?That's a great business tactic!
Create this story about a very strong team of villains stopped only by this hero and then sell the "toys" on the black market. Any army would be in awe of either seeing in action or facing comic characters come to life with all the moves and tricks that should actually be impossible in real life.Anyway, I think I'm on Kishido's side.
Yes, Oda could just have fun by mashing two ideas together, but he actually does that alot and he's pretty good. As Greg said, he's a bullshit artist, a confident master of the retcon, so much that tons of great moments of the series come because he decided to tie some loose ends in a great way (Drum and Arabasta's goodbye moments, those type of things).
So Sanji simply having two different powers just "because" feels weak. But I'm sitting and waiting for Oda to take those threads and make a pretty knot, he may not have the final reason now but he'll find a way to make those two elements match.But I don't think anyone assumes the Germa as dead. They'll show up again.
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Also, the Vinsmokes are very much getting the Crocodile, Buggy, Mr.3, Bellamy treatment.
That's part of Oda's BS.
He's giving us distasteful villains but they have a method to their madness and if the planets align, they'll do the right thing, even if not for the right reason.
Judge's '66 days' thing is probably enough of a believable reason for him to be a d***. Doesn't mean he and Sanji need a teary reunion, just means they might have awkward af Thanksgiving dinners but probably skip Christmas.
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When some say there's nothing left to look at with Germa, I think of "3 centuries" and Dragon mentioning Germa being kicked out of the WG's club. I can see Oda bringing the non allied nations and the Rev Army together for common interest.
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Niji used an electricity punch and knee without the suit. Can't be the source of the power if it's being used without said source.
He had the belt, which is part of the suit, on. They didn't have the belts on at the wedding, only after they equipped the suits. Reiju's suit reacted while she was sucking the poison out of Luffy.
The suits can be modified… you don't have to equip the whole suit if you want to use only part of its features... you get the individual abilities but not the general things like floating and bullet-proofing...
They didn't have the abilities as children... they didn't have the suits as children...For me, it's the suits.
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This is kinda crappy timing to be discussing the siblings so let's put a pin in that for a bit.
Where I'm completely in line with disliking the suit, is Sanji using it during the Page-One encounter.
However…not liking it and not accepting why/how Oda did a decent enough job setting it up are completely different.
As a reader, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that Sanji did that, but it's not like Oda didn't bend over backwards to make sure the situation called for it. Even the bathouse buffoonery was 'logical' from a point of view. The reasoning is in there, it's sound, but all of that reasoning, is based on the fact that Oda wanted to play with his characters. Is he a better author for doing that? Ehhhh, I wouldn't say it helps. And if he ticked off fans, it's his own fault. But so long as he presents reasons for the actions in the story (even if they're weak) he's done the bare minimum. I guess I feel lenient because after 20+ years writing this stuff, if he's not having fun then it's unfair to ask him to ignore all of his whims that give him joy in his work.
And yup, sometimes the story suffers for it. But I'm at a stage of fandom where I can recognize those decisions. I'd even go so far to say they're important for his well-being.
But that never, ever, means fans need to like them 'just cuz'. I think everyone could benefit if we take a step back and realize, we're all humans and Oda won't please all the readers, all the time. When we let go of how the story 'has to be', I think we'll enjoy it a lot more.
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The dude has felt kinda bored post-TS, but then again who wouldn't be a little bored if you had to carry on writing on your fanfic for decades after you thought you'd be out doing other stuff.
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To this day, people still google the names of Sanji's brothers, to get them correctly.
That's just how (non)interesting they always gon be.
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Damn, the number theme is supposed to make it easier to remember.
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He had the belt, which is part of the suit, on. They didn't have the belts on at the wedding, only after they equipped the suits. Reiju's suit reacted while she was sucking the poison out of Luffy.
The suits can be modified… you don't have to equip the whole suit if you want to use only part of its features... you get the individual abilities but not the general things like floating and bullet-proofing...
They didn't have the abilities as children... they didn't have the suits as children...For me, it's the suits.
Suitless Yonji was destroyed by Sanji offscreen. They didn't seem capable of much without their suits to be honest, at least from what we've seen.
That's another reason why I think Sanji's innate fire powers don't have anything to do with Judge or DNA modification and some people are getting a very wrong idea here.
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I just can’t wait for Crocodile to return, I hope he teams up with the straw hats and the crew can’t stand it
How long till you think he makes his glorious return Greg?
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Hey, I've been a silent reader for the longest but I have to ask this because it has been on my mind for years.
Is Oda aware of how much he has been neglecting certain strawhats like Chopper and Robin?
Should we expect the same treatment for the rest of the story or is there a chance they might play a bigger role sooner than later?
Especially with Robin being really important and big shots coming after her. I wonder if we can expect a little more screen time or if we should drop that thought entirely.
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To this day, people still google the names of Sanji's brothers, to get them correctly.
That's just how (non)interesting they always gon be.
Not in Japan, lmao. Just basic Japanese is all that's necessary to remember their names, or just knowing a couple of the We Go lyrics.
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To this day, people still google the names of Sanji's brothers, to get them correctly.
That's just how (non)interesting they always gon be.
One, Two, Three, Four, with a "ji" at the end.
Ich, Ni, San, Yon.
Ichiji, Niji, Sanji, Yonji.
Not a single Japanese reader has a problem with this.
Heck, my japanese is awful but I have no problem with this.
Now, I personally couldn't tell you which one is which, but that's because I don't care.
Their naming amuses me extra so because I did the same gag in Ninja High School YEARS before Oda. I beat him to it for once. Though I took it to its most absurd extreme by having the character be the tenth child.
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Yeah, uh.. that's the point I made, they're names arent hard to learn, they're just boring.
GreenHairJi always struck me like Oda didnt even try with the hair style.
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To this day, people still google the names of Sanji's brothers, to get them correctly.
That's just how (non)interesting they always gon be.
I feel like you might have been told this before, but your opinions and experiences are not universal and can't be assumed to represent the whole fanbase. I've never heard of anyone else having this problem, especially with how easy the number theme makes it.
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I like them and I like all of their designs and powers for what they are: Sanji's arrogant brothers. Ichiji is peak arrogance, the stoic kind. Niji is the fast, quick-witted, and outwardly arrogant one, and Yonji is kind of a dunce and probably the most sadistic of them as well. Niji and Ichiji both have prettycool powers, with the spark being the most interesting (and mysterious) fire ability we have in the series and Niji's electricity standing out next to Big Mom and Eneru since it's focused purely on speed. I don't know what the hell Oda was thinking with Winch Green though, lmao.
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Wait…ppl can remember superfluous Bleach names but not literally ichi, ni, san, yon?
Can't people count to three or four in many languages just by being part of society?
Red is 1st (same as Luffy) which is followed by blue. If you remember that much, you know who each is.
There are some garbage names in manga that are tough to remember, but I never thought 1, 2, 3, 4 and red being a leader (like power rangers) would be a head-scratcher.
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I honestly can't tell which is which
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That is baffling.
Red is first like every ranger series ever.
Followed by blue.
Done.
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It would probably help if they were in color so i could huey, dewey and louie them at least
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Manga-only? Understandable. Yonji left a major impression on me in the debut and Niji's head was devil-like (two horns for 2) which made that distinction easy.
I think it was a conscious effort to take the humanity of the older two away with shades to make them more intimidating. Aka Mingo treatment.
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I know this has nothing to do with Sanji and his siblings, but Greg, do you know whether Who's Who had been introduced already before the raid?
I am 98% sure that the guy from the Punk Hazard arc was -at least- an early concept of him (i.e. the person who orders a Beasts Pirates member to inform Jack).
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Greg, do you think weakling trio not getting a proper fight they won ( Ulti's "defeat" has a much value as Nami zapping Absalom after Sanji wrecked him) in Wano unlike the other straw hats is Oda telling us they are outpaced?
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I saw your tweet about Tama being the pheasant Greg, but how about this?
Momonosuke is the pheasant! And the reason why is because of the kozuki emblem. Then who is Momotaro? Why not the kibidango girl herself, Tama! -
Gotta love how Solid and Deicide stand by what they want to see. Not making fun of it, genuine smile after reading a post like this!
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I saw your tweet about Tama being the pheasant Greg, but how about this?
Momonosuke is the pheasant! And the reason why is because of the kozuki emblem. Then who is Momotaro? Why not the kibidango girl herself, Tama!No more Tama pls.
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Gotta love how Solid and Deicide stand by what they want to see. Not making fun of it, genuine smile after reading a post like this!
It is sort of inspiring in it's own way.
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My tweet about Tama being the pheasant?
I don't recall suggesting that. At least not recently. I sald she's the dango.
Greg, do you think weakling trio not getting a proper fight they won ( Ulti's "defeat" has a much value as Nami zapping Absalom after Sanji wrecked him) in Wano unlike the other straw hats is Oda telling us they are outpaced?
No, I think it's Oda being out of touch with his own body of work.
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My tweet about Tama being the pheasant?
I never suggested that. I sald she's the dango.
Greg since Oda is really going into tribes and what not, do you think he forgot about Kaido ? I mean he constantly mentioned in the manga that he is not human yet we have t gotten anything about it. Did he drop the idea ?
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Would've been easier to name them after their hair colors, Akaji, Aoji, etc.
Ya'll just basing off their suits and the giant numbers stamped on them, they're hard to guess naked and in black and white comics.
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I've never heard of anyone else having this problem, especially with how easy the number theme makes it.
Or, you probably never asked anyone if they had this issue? look at the thread, people do have problems to name them correctly.
Is just more that a lot of people won't admit they have to google which one is which, and look like a noob OP fan.
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So has the anime stopped being crap while i looked away for a scant decade or so?
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I'm surprised people have trouble with the Vinsmokes. I guess if your a manga-only reader maybe it is hard to tell the difference between Ichiji and Niji but Yonji looks different enough that he's easy to remember.
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So has the anime stopped being crap while i looked away for a scant decade or so?
It goes up and down. It's defo improved in Wano compared to the rest of post-TS but it will still have two bad or mediocre episodes for every actual good episode.
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Would've been easier to name them after their hair colors, Akaji, Aoji, etc.
Colors? Easier than numbers? And don't fit the Sanji-naming? Which would make even less sense bc Sanji's name isn't a color?
I…what???? How in the hell is this hard?????
How do fans have idetic memory for SBS random garbage but can't figure this out?!?!?Ichi means 1. If you watch anime and don't know that, I dunno what to say.
Ichiji has 1 forelock.
He wears sunglasses.
He wears red bc the leader in pretty much every classic tokusatsu series Oda ever pulled from is red.
Luffy's image is also red.Ni means two. If you watch anime and do not know this, woof.
He also wears sunglasses. Perhaps easy to confuse if not for....
He has TWO antennae, one stemming from each ear guard, that make him look like a devil.
Two has two 'horns'.
He's blue.Sanji is three. If you've been reading the series this far...I dunno!
This leaves one brother and there are only four.
He doesn't wear sunglasses.Is anything there difficult to recall?
There are multiple visual and numeric cues that require zero thought.
And they even check out if color is absent/forgotten!
Forgot what color Niji is? Well it ain't red. And everybody likes to shit on winch green and you know the one without sunglasses is green.
It seems less like people can't remember and more like they actively do not want to remember. With the above info in mind, one actually has to put more effort into forgetting who they are, than remembering.
Joy Boy,
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Joy Boy,
Oda never promised to explore that aspect so he can't drop a ball he never picked up.
And Kaido being the strongest creature is just in reference to his dragon ability.Really ? Given how he looks like and Mom calling him a thing, I always thought we were gonna get something.
Always thought him being a Oni or something is the reason he is the strongest creature instead of man
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Again regarding Who's Who: if you closely at the silhouette of the PH guy you can see his weirdly pointed and curved tip of the "nose". This looks exactly like Who's Who's mask.
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So has the anime stopped being crap while i looked away for a scant decade or so?
It put new people in charge at the start of Wano so the animation quality jumped a ton, and in small doses they have bouts of really good stuff. Once in a while they have some top talent episode directors putting out almost movie quality for the entire episode.
But week to week overall it still suffers the same pacing issues that come from making 1 chapter=1 episode, and obviously not every episode gets that super top notch team.
But every 4 or 5 months the community will collectively go "OMGH, this episode was like a movie! Its super duper good! Can you believe how super high quality this is for a weekly?" but they'll then ignore that its pretty mediocre again the next week.
The Oden flashback was pretty solid overall because that was ripe for expansion. Doing less well with the raid. Yams is supposed to premiere in a couple episodes and they have one of the good teams on that episode, so we'll see.
(My personal take is, this is THE big franchise and it should have that quality as its standard, not as the occasional exception. I know thats impossible for a weekly but its the kind of franchise that should have episodes finished months in advance. Ditto with stuff like Sailor Moon or Dragonball. I know the bottom line is important, but there are some shows you know will do well and are worth investing in.)
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I'm surprised people have trouble with the Vinsmokes. I guess if your a manga-only reader maybe it is hard to tell the difference between Ichiji and Niji but Yonji looks different enough that he's easy to remember.
I don't even think Ichiji and Niji look all that much alike. Niji stands out because he's always smiling and Ichiji does because it's the opposite. Yonji looks like Zoro as much as he does Sanji and also happens to have green hair.
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I look at the seasonal anime and see some similar issues that I see in OP. If seasonal is so great, they can't afford to show similar mistakes. It's obviously less often because most seasonal anime don't have to produce 40+ episodes a year. Since this is the case, until I see more close to flawless seasonal anime, the "OP should be seasonal" comments that I see on Twitter don't hold any weight.
As far as pacing, don't they use like 2 different chapters every episode? I get that it's not whole chapters, but why should they risk closing the 30+ chapter gap that they have sustain for so long? I hear more complaints about that than the horrendous and drawn out pausing they like to do in the anime. That is unforgivable. Pacing is clearly an issue. They would adapt like 6 pages from 2 different chapters and drag it out. I've don't take issue with that as much as those pause moments where characters are just suspended in time for no reason.
Kinda similar to when Oda suspended the rest of the events in the story to focus on Yonko vs Supernova fanservice for 2 and 3/4 chapters.
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Kinda similar to when Oda suspended the rest of the events in the story to focus on Yonko vs Supernova fanservice for 2 and 3/4 chapters.
Man, that's a weird complaint. Not only was that fight THE story, it facilitated half of the things that are going on now in the continuing story, or at least that's how I see it. Help me understand why you think the fight that happened was inconsequential to why the Straw Hats, Kid Pirates, and Heart Pirates are on Wano at all?
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Man, that's a weird complaint. Not only was that fight THE story, it facilitated half of the things that are going on now in the continuing story, or at least that's how I see it. Help me understand why you think the fight that happened was inconsequential to why the Straw Hats, Kid Pirates, and Heart Pirates are on Wano at all?
I don't see anything that justifies suspending the rest of the battle. Oda could have easily shown other events as that fight happened and he didn't. It's not about the fight happening. It's how it affects the rest of the events. It doesn't require the almost 3 chapters of everything else going silent.
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I don't see anything that justifies suspending the rest of the battle. Oda could have easily shown other events as that fight happened and he didn't. It's not about the fight happening. It's how it affects the rest of the events. It doesn't require the almost 3 chapters of everything else going silent.
I would argue that the magnitude of the event justifies it. This is the reformation of the Rocks Pirates fighting our protagonist, his most elite fighter, and three of his greatest rivals and doing so specifically for the stakes of being the Pirate King (among other things). It's the moment everything has been leading up to since the end of Fishman Island.
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Really ? Given how he looks like and Mom calling him a thing, I always thought we were gonna get something.
Always thought him being a Oni or something is the reason he is the strongest creature instead of man
He seems to carry the blood of whatever Oars was so the real question remains to be, what and how did Oars come to be? Was he a freak success in a race to create a bio-weapon that the world hasn't been able to reproduce since?
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I would argue that the magnitude of the event justifies it. This is the reformation of the Rocks Pirates fighting our protagonist, his most elite fighter, and three of his greatest rivals and doing so specifically for the stakes of being the Pirate King (among other things). It's the moment everything has been leading up to since the end of Fishman Island.
If it was the last fight as I knew it wasn't back then, I would be on board. It wasn't. What's currently coming is part of the final encounters. That justifies suspending other events that are also in their final stages. Kata and Lucci vs Luffy never did this.
This was a preview of how each side fare against each other and cool moves. A preview does not justify the cancelling out other events to me. I expect the Supernova to show more formidable attacks in the coming events that show they had more.
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It is very interesting to know that very often in historical Kabuki plays (jidaimono, i.e. based on feudal Japan and Samurai just like Wano) at the end of the 3rd act there is a tragic self-sacrifice, e.g. by a retainer.
This would be a fitting moment for the Scabbards to die in a heroic way.
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Hey, Greg! Now that Onimaru is getting a Vivre card, we might finally find out if he has a devil fruit like you speculated before.
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Speaking of anime and its animation, personally I'm completely put off by all the lightshow during action scenes. Forcefields and sparks flying everywhere, every conceivable color. It started to get obnoxious when Luffy and Chinjao engaged into what looked like a kamehame clash. Let's say it's overproduced.
I know Oda adds visual effects for clashes. But the thing is, he has to do it, due to nature of the medium. Animation doesn't need such things to work. You can show movements, add sounds, emulate shockwaves with animation. Of course, yes, plastering red fireworks over a screen is much easier, but I feel like original episodes did a lot more with a lot less in comparison.