What if Kumadori is a Kanjurou? Maybe Higurashi is his mom?
Chapter 974: Onward to Onigashima!
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Well, considering someone who was supposed to totally immersed in his role, he was pretty aware of all of his deeds, good or bad.The way Oda revealed him somehow undermine his passion and cheapened his act. I would have preferred him to be more broken by his act instead of gloating.
Though I am happy because couple of month ago I predicted him being a Kurozumi.
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âAhhh⌠Is this ship fixed now?â
That strikes me as a bit odd coming from one of the Straw Hats. Would they refer to the Sunny as âthis shipâ like that? I mean they have and they do but Iâd imagine in this moment theyâd refer to it as The Ship or properly by name. Could that be Jinbei already joined in ready for a big reveal? Iâm wondering if thatâs him speaking as someone who just isnât as familiar with the Sunny like the rest. That or Iâm just forever desperate for some fatty fish cakes.
Folks who read One Piece⌠Just better people. ÂŻ\(ă)/ÂŻ
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âAhhh⌠Is this ship fixed now?â
That strikes me as a bit odd coming from one of the Straw Hats. Would they refer to the Sunny as âthis shipâ like that? I mean they have and they do but Iâd imagine in this moment theyâd refer to it as The Ship or properly by name. Could that be Jinbei already joined in ready for a big reveal? Iâm wondering if thatâs him speaking as someone who just isnât as familiar with the Sunny like the rest. That or Iâm just forever desperate for some fatty fish cakes.
Yes, good observation. It sounded odd to me too, though I didn't bother to think further.
Now that you mentioned, may be Neko and co. are back with Marco and they are the one riding on Sunny. -
I didn't read any theories so I was completely taken off-guard about Kanjuro. Very excited to see Luffy, Law, and Kidd working together. Great chapter.
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As expected, we're back in the present for the final chapter of volume 96! As much as I loved Oden and our time with him, I've been starting to feel desperate for my boy Luffy after all these months. The flashback was hurt badly by the number of breaks that came up in its publication, but as I said a while back, I think volumes 95 and 96 will be looked back on fondly as one of the highest points of the series just for the sheer amount of lore and drama packed into those two books.
Starting out, we get a resolution to Hyori and Denjiro faked Komurasaki's death and it's⌠kinda unsatisfying. Blood bags under her clothes? Really? How did that not get discovered? During that one big feast in volumes 92 and 93 we see that Orochi isn't shy about putting his arms around her and pulling her close, and neither Hyori nor Denjiro take any drastic steps to enforce a hands-off policy.
Even under all those layers, it would be hard for her to be sure he wouldn't feel or hear a big bag of blood sloshing around. It's a super risky contingency to have committed to. And I don't want to get too deep into the debate about whether or not a woman in Hyori's position with her title would realistically be sleeping with her clients, but if any part of her job does involve taking her clothes off, this scheme gets twice as hard to conceal all over again! I would have preferred Denjiro to have picked up a devil fruit to facilitate the ruse or using a trick sword with a blunt edge and pump connected to a blood bag on his far less likely to be touched body.
Underwhelming, but not the end of the world.
Next up, we close the last lingering apparent inconsistency between the flashback and the present by showing Kaido make it clear he has questions about the One Piece for the Kozuki survivors. I mentioned when I was talking about last week's chapter that the wording in the official translation could be read to suggest that it was only an issue after the timejump, and that absolutely is the case. Good to have that squared away.
Then we address the traitor at long last! I saw a few people suggesting the traitor's origin/motive would be a commitment to Wano's closed borders, but very few suggesting the Kurozumi persecution as a background. It's a good angle, I think. Giving the Kozuki Dynasty some blood on its hands is a nice change of pace from the totally idealised, squeaky-clean monarchies of other One Piece nations. A whole lot of fantasy falls into the trap of "monarchy good if you have the right monarch," so deviations are always appreciated. While Orochi and Kanjuro are scum, the things they've been put through early in their lives are inexcusable.
What makes Kanjuro interesting, but also kinda flat, is the fact that he doesn't seem to hold any hatred about his circumstances at all. It's not that Orochi's cause resonated him, it's just that Orochi was the first person to find him and give him purpose - a role to commit his theatre skills to. Shiebs' Kandra comparison feels very apt (and I have to shout out a Mistborn reference when I see one).
Kanjuro shows some of his own personality after the reveal, but mostly he seems proud of how perfect his act was and how it fooled everyone, even getting frustrated that no one saw the holes in the act (maybe he should have visited some One Piece forums, a lot of people here figured it out). There's actually more emotion here than I expected from him after he spoke about not hating them or meaning them harm and the way the inkblot form used to hide his identity before the reveal suggested some kind of tabula rasa.
The best part of the Kanjuro reveal will be spotting all the clues on a reread. It's been extremely well seeded, even by One Piece's high foreshadowing standards. I love these moments where almost a decade's worth of little details all come together. People who wanted something more out of left field will never know these joys.
Loved the art for the arrival of Kaido's ships. A great spread.
And then we get the volume finale moment. Luffy, Law and Kid fighting side by side after about 12 years. What an incredibly hype thing to end it on. Nothing to say but fuuuuuuck yeeeeah!
I hope Oda keeps this momentum going in the next chapter. There'll be a temptation, I'm sure, to jump into the past again and show how the Sunny survived the bombing and what play Denjiro has made to keep the plan in motion despite Orochi's sabotage, but I think unless it can be done in less than two pages, that can wait. After so long in the past already, it would be better to let this naval engagement play out in full and give us the catharsis of a good fight rather than try to explain everything right away. Either way, I can't wait to see where we go from here.
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As expected, we're back in the present for the final chapter of volume 96! As much as I loved Oden and our time with him, I've been starting to feel desperate for my boy Luffy after all these months. The flashback was hurt badly by the number of breaks that came up in its publication, but as I said a while back, I think volumes 95 and 96 will be looked back on fondly as one of the highest points of the series just for the sheer amount of lore and drama packed into those two books.
Starting out, we get a resolution to Hyori and Denjiro faked Komurasaki's death and it's⌠kinda unsatisfying. Blood bags under her clothes? Really? How did that not get discovered? During that one big feast in volumes 92 and 93 we see that Orochi isn't shy about putting his arms around her and pulling her close, and neither Hyori nor Denjiro take any drastic steps to enforce a hands-off policy.
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Even under all those layers, it would be hard for her to be sure he wouldn't feel or hear a big bag of blood sloshing around. It's a super risky contingency to have committed to. And I don't want to get too deep into the debate about whether or not a woman in Hyori's position with her title would realistically be sleeping with her clients, but if any part of her job does involve taking her clothes off, this scheme gets twice as hard to conceal all over again! I would have preferred Denjiro to have picked up a devil fruit to facilitate the ruse or using a trick sword with a blunt edge and pump connected to a blood bag on his far less likely to be touched body.
Underwhelming, but not the end of the world.
Next up, we close the last lingering apparent inconsistency between the flashback and the present by showing Kaido make it clear he has questions about the One Piece for the Kozuki survivors. I mentioned when I was talking about last week's chapter that the wording in the official translation could be read to suggest that it was only an issue after the timejump, and that absolutely is the case. Good to have that squared away.
Then we address the traitor at long last! I saw a few people suggesting the traitor's origin/motive would be a commitment to Wano's closed borders, but very few suggesting the Kurozumi persecution as a background. It's a good angle, I think. Giving the Kozuki Dynasty some blood on its hands is a nice change of pace from the totally idealised, squeaky-clean monarchies of other One Piece nations. A whole lot of fantasy falls into the trap of "monarchy good if you have the right monarch," so deviations are always appreciated. While Orochi and Kanjuro are scum, the things they've been put through early in their lives are inexcusable.
What makes Kanjuro interesting, but also kinda flat, is the fact that he doesn't seem to hold any hatred about his circumstances at all. It's not that Orochi's cause resonated him, it's just that Orochi was the first person to find him and give him purpose - a role to commit his theatre skills to. Shiebs' Kandra comparison feels very apt (and I have to shout out a Mistborn reference when I see one).
Kanjuro shows some of his own personality after the reveal, but mostly he seems proud of how perfect his act was and how it fooled everyone, even getting frustrated that no one saw the holes in the act (maybe he should have visited some One Piece forums, a lot of people here figured it out). There's actually more emotion here than I expected from him after he spoke about not hating them or meaning them harm and the way the inkblot form used to hide his identity before the reveal suggested some kind of tabula rasa.
The best part of the Kanjuro reveal will be spotting all the clues on a reread. It's been extremely well seeded, even by One Piece's high foreshadowing standards. I love these moments where almost a decade's worth of little details all come together. People who wanted something more out of left field will never know these joys.
Loved the art for the arrival of Kaido's ships. A great spread.
And then we get the volume finale moment. Luffy, Law and Kid fighting side by side after about 12 years. What an incredibly hype thing to end it on. Nothing to say but fuuuuuuck yeeeeah!
I hope Oda keeps this momentum going in the next chapter. There'll be a temptation, I'm sure, to jump into the past again and show how the Sunny survived the bombing and what play Denjiro has made to keep the plan in motion despite Orochi's sabotage, but I think unless it can be done in less than two pages, that can wait. After so long in the past already, it would be better to let this naval engagement play out in full and give us the catharsis of a good fight rather than try to explain everything right away. Either way, I can't wait to see where we go from here.
seriously? You read a Manga where someone can change his look out of rage and you consider hiding a bag of blood on yourself as unrealistic? Just enjoy the story as it is narratedâŚ
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seriously? You read a Manga where someone can change his look out of rage and you consider hiding a bag of blood on yourself as unrealistic? Just enjoy the story as it is narratedâŚ
Liking/enjoying a story does not make it immune to criticisms of certain things in it that just might not "work" for everyone.
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seriously? You read a Manga where someone can change his look out of rage and you consider hiding a bag of blood on yourself as unrealistic? Just enjoy the story as it is narratedâŚ
One nitpick in an overwhelmingly positive, almost 900 word write up and you think I'm not enjoying the story as its written? Come on man, even if not everything works, I wouldn't be coming back week after week if I wasn't having a good time.
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Personally i assume the Wanoese had that old Japanese stigma about examining and handling dead bodies and nobody looked much into it beyond a glance
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One nitpick in an overwhelmingly positive, almost 900 word write up and you think I'm not enjoying the story as its written? Come on man, even if not everything works, I wouldn't be coming back week after week if I wasn't having a good time.
I guess he hasn't read the posts of those who really do not enjoy the chapters
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âAhhh⌠Is this ship fixed now?â
That strikes me as a bit odd coming from one of the Straw Hats. Would they refer to the Sunny as âthis shipâ like that? I mean they have and they do but Iâd imagine in this moment theyâd refer to it as The Ship or properly by name. Could that be Jinbei already joined in ready for a big reveal? Iâm wondering if thatâs him speaking as someone who just isnât as familiar with the Sunny like the rest. That or Iâm just forever desperate for some fatty fish cakes.
My thoughts exactly.
Why would someone who's been present or at least got notice of it when Franky started to repair the Sunny, ask something like this.
It must be someone who only recently got there and knew that Sunny was damaged. So Jinbe is the first choice, especially after chapter 959 where Luffy wondered why Jinbe hasn't arrived yet.That could also mean that Germa and Pekoms are also in Wano now.
And Nekomamushi and whom ever he brings with him can't also be too far. -
Personally i assume the Wanoese had that old Japanese stigma about examining and handling dead bodies and nobody looked much into it beyond a glance
Even if not, most of the security at that event would have to be on Denjiro's payroll and thus easily paid off or disappeared.
I guess he hasn't read the posts of those who really do not enjoy the chapters
He needs to have a reread of the spoiler thread if mine is the harshest reaction he's seen
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He needs to have a reread of the spoiler thread if mine is the harshest reaction he's seen
It ain't really about you, its just that the criticism pendelum is on its swing back. Although i suppose it has matted off a bit, beyond ze pasta machines wonderfully Wiseau-esque comments, but we've had alot to complain about so i'd give the complain about complaints side a little more time to get things feeling even
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Monster trio is still the best trio, I could care less about the supernova trio. Second is the weakling trio.
And will we get another flashback now showing how luffy and the rest got away from orochi's plan or will it just be explained in words next chapter in a few pages or page.
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This chapter was just so cathartic for me.
Multi-arc relevant plot: The traitor. We finally have the traitor revealed, which has technically been a plot point since Zou. There were minor hints, and you'd see it occasionally discussed. It becomes a far more prevalent plot when we finally make it to Wano. I like that most of the time, in any discussion I've seen, there were always multiple candidates for who it could've been. I've seen Raizo brought up, Shinobu before 971, even Carrot. I personally thought it was O-Kiku due to her portrayal in 959's double spread. I love that Oda made it so you could always suspect a few people. Kanjuro finally being revealed adds a lot to his kinda bland character AND evens out the fact that the good guys recently had a traitor of Orochi helping them. All the finds different people have located about Kanjuro subtly sabotaging things have been really neat. Oda makes some things up as he goes, but the Wano Saga is packed with some of his best foreshadowing yet.
BACK TO THE PRESENT. FINALLY.
Series very long-standing relevant plot: The Luffy/Law/Kid alliance at the end. Oda didn't have to do this. He could've just let that cool teamup panel be its own thing. But I and many others were hoping it was hinting at things to come, and oh boy, did we get rewarded in a big way. These are the leaders of the new generation. They're ready to wreak havoc on Kaido and start the race to the end shortly after. (If they all survive) The giant double spread they got ranks among the series' best.
One of the best chapters in the series, in my book!
Croc or Enel would never.Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
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I don't know if someone said this already but i found this on twitter. When Kanjuro drew he used his left hand but he's actually right handed
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I don't know if someone said this already but i found this on twitter. When Kanjuro drew he used his left hand but he's actually right handed
If this is actually consistent, then man! One of Oda's best foreshadowing works, by far! It has been one of the man's strengths since early on in the series and this was one of the most rewarding moments ever. And in dramatic fashion too! He couldn't have picked a better character for a traitor other than a kabuki-themed guy! Brilliant. And it seems we are finally going into war mode from now on! Bring it on! I'm ready for Onigashima!
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Had Orochi simply told to Kanjuro to lead Kin and the others staight to a trap as soon as they reappeared instead of just passing him intels, everything would have work out much smoother for him.
It was a good reveal, but many things of the last years or so of main plot don't add up:
1)Why did he let Kin and Momo get out of his sight for so long back in dress rosa?
2)Why Jack raided Zou searching for Raizo for info about Momo, while he should have been informed that he couldn't know anything ?
3) Again, why not havig them captured as soon as they reappeared in the present?
4) why exactly did he pretend to be a bad artist? he said he didn't mean harm to the Kozuki & Co, he was merely a mole and always intended to die alongside them, so why hide an asset that could turn out very useful to them many times, as if to keep your cards covered for a showdown that you said you never intended to have?Also, but this is only my personal point of view, making Kanjuro a Kurozumi is both redundant and contradictive: he said in the same page that he meant no harm to the Kozukis and that he did everything for revenge ("because i'm kurozumi"). IMHO if it was left at just "i'm crazy that way, want to die, fell alive only acting a role" it would have been more powerful and a great foil to Oden's retiners who did everything they did our of blind love and devotion. Making it personal for him not only added nothng to his charachter, but instead took away from it, or at least that's how i felt about it.
Curiosity has its own reason for existing
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Had Orochi simply told to Kanjuro to lead Kin and the others staight to a trap as soon as they reappeared instead of just passing him intels, everything would have work out much smoother for him.
It was a good reveal, but many things of the last years or so of main plot don't add up:
1)Why did he let Kin and Momo get out of his sight for so long back in dress rosa?
2)Why Jack raided Zou searching for Raizo for info about Momo, while he should have been informed that he couldn't know anything ?
3) Again, why not havig them captured as soon as they reappeared in the present?
4) why exactly did he pretend to be a bad artist? he said he didn't mean harm to the Kozuki & Co, he was merely a mole and always intended to die alongside them, so why hide an asset that could turn out very useful to them many times, as if to keep your cards covered for a showdown that you said you never intended to have?Also, but this is only my personal point of view, making Kanjuro a Kurozumi is both redundant and contradictive: he said in the same page that he meant no harm to the Kozukis and that he did everything for revenge ("because i'm kurozumi"). IMHO if it was left at just "i'm crazy that way, want to die, fell alive only acting a role" it would have been more powerful and a great foil to Oden's retiners who did everything they did our of blind love and devotion. Making it personal for him not only added nothng to his charachter, but instead took away from it, or at least that's how i felt about it.
Chapter explains this: His orders were to live and die as a Kozuki so that should answer your first 3 points. As for the last, idk but i figure it was an order from Orochi.
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One nitpick in an overwhelmingly positive, almost 900 word write up and you think I'm not enjoying the story as its written? Come on man, even if not everything works, I wouldn't be coming back week after week if I wasn't having a good time.
:) I really just meant that realism shouldn't be something to even get bothered with. It's a fantasy story, written for kids: it should mostly be fun, original, engaging and possibly educative (i.e. teach some sort of values), but it doesn't need to be realistic. That's what I meant when I said "enjoy it as it is narrated".
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@uniaka:
Monster trio is still the best trio, I could care less about the supernova trio. Second is the weakling trio.
I'm having a really hard time to root for Kid. Anything Kid.
I hope he gets destroyed first in their failed attempt to dogpile Kaido.
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@Gia:
Chapter explains this: His orders were to live and die as a Kozuki so that should answer your first 3 points. As for the last, idk but i figure it was an order from Orochi.
I don't see how. Maybe point 3, but 1 and 2 would be just him being a bad spy, 1 has him needlessly losing contact with his target, 2 it's him relating useless intels (reach Zou to question someone who, even if captured, would reveal much less then Kanjuro himself could have at that time) which lead to a loss of time and resources.
Consider also that Orochi himself is portrayed as extremely paranoid and terrified of the scabbards and the prophecy, also he's extremely direct and not subtle in any way. If he can cut short that menace, i expect him to do it as soon as he has an occasion.
What i said in my second paragraph actually would work better even in this sense: Kanjuro being more a wildcard than a faithful revengefuk pawn would help make sense of all the little incongruences, since as it is in the long run his work was as inefficient to Orochi ad it was detrimental to Oden.
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1)Why did he let Kin and Momo get out of his sight for so long back in dress rosa?
His orders are to live and die as a Kozuki, how is this hard to understand? He was ready to die without revealing his identity.
Also, there was no way for him to know that Doffy is in bed with Kaidou.
2)Why Jack raided Zou searching for Raizo for info about Momo, while he should have been informed that he couldn't know anything ?
Read this chapter again, Kaidou states he wants to ask "Kozuki survivors", so any of the Akazaya 9 is a target.
- Again, why not havig them captured as soon as they reappeared in the present?
Again.. Kanjuro's only job is to feed Orochi information while pretending to be a Kozuki.
And he did just that, the moment they jumped in time, he sent info to Orochi.
- why exactly did he pretend to be a bad artist? he said he didn't mean harm to the Kozuki & Co, he was merely a mole and always intended to die alongside them, so why hide an asset that could turn out very useful to them many times, as if to keep your cards covered for a showdown that you said you never intended to have?
Maybe its a character choice? Kanjuro Kozuki is bad at drawing.
He's an actor, after all.
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Jack looking for Raizo specifically was probably the biggest hint after all, because aside from the minks only Momonosuke, Kinemon and Kanjuro could have known that he was there.
Kanjuro knows about the Road Poneglyph on Zou, which should mean that Orochi and therefore Kaido know as well. I'm assuming the reason Kaido didn't immediately get it is because they don't have a vivrecard to reach Zou anymore after Jack and his fleet were crushed? Or did Orochi for some reason not inform Kaido about it? I'll go with the former.
Kanjuro also witnessed Momonosuke giving orders to Zunesha, surely Orochi and Kaido would want to control that power. -
Had Orochi simply told to Kanjuro to lead Kin and the others staight to a trap as soon as they reappeared instead of just passing him intels, everything would have work out much smoother for him.
That probably did happen since Kin'emon mentioned being attacked while leaving the country.
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That probably did happen since Kin'emon mentioned being attacked while leaving the country.
Orochi had no way of communicating back. And he didn't know about the time jump ability.
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That probably did happen since Kin'emon mentioned being attacked while leaving the country.
Kin'emon said they were spotted while leaving and we saw in this chapter Orochi telling his men to keep watch on the shore expecting them to try to leave the country. It was not a trap, just Orochi properly predicting their actions⌠although now that I think about it, weird Orochi expected them to leave Wano instead of just starting the rebellion there, it didn't seem like "we intend to go to Zou" was part of the letter.
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@.access:
Kin'emon said they were spotted while leaving and we saw in this chapter Orochi telling his men to keep watch on the shore expecting them to try to leave the country. It was not a trap, just Orochi properly predicting their actions⌠although now that I think about it, weird Orochi expected them to leave Wano instead of just starting the rebellion there, it didn't seem like "we intend to go to Zou" was part of the letter.
Kin'emon likely decided to leave, following on Oden's instructions to seek the Minks in case they needed help.
Kanjuro may have informed Orochi of that, but we have no way to know without seeing the letter.
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Great traitor reveal!
That's why Kanjuro closed Kinemon's eyes and made them fall from Zou. That's why he drew that slow dragon. That's why he made stairs so that Dressrosa citizens could climb and capture Riku and the others. I thought he made all that because he was goofy, such a good cover!! The perfect role is to play the fool.Only nitpick: how come the lowly moron aboard Kaidou's ship knows who the traitor is and recognizes him. That's the same Oda foolishness of having the greatest undercover team (CP9) live for years infiltrated using their real names. Every silly marine knew that there was a super spy called Rob Lucci in EL. Why would he use his name in W7??
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His orders are to live and die as a Kozuki, how is this hard to understand? He was ready to die without revealing his identity.
Ok, I get it. i think it's way more contrived that it needed to be, in terms of efficiency, but i can buy it if i squint and suspend my disbelief enough
Also, there was no way for him to know that Doffy is in bed with Kaidou.
Didn't he? I'll trust you on that i honestly don't remember if we can take this for granted
Read this chapter again, Kaidou states he wants to ask "Kozuki survivors", so any of the Akazaya 9 is a target.
And yet Dog and Cat were not. Kiku was not, Ashura was not, Kawamasu was already caught, and Raizo was wanted for infos on Momo⌠Momo who was with the informer the whole time. All the other things about kanjuro's spying i can get by with minor nitpicks, but all about the whole Zou business really seems too far fetched.
its a character choice? Kanjuro Kozuki is bad at drawing.
He's an actor, after all.
A choice which undermined his utility as a Kozuki retainer, exactly.
So he wasn't that committed to his false cause, right? can you see what i'm getting at? :)
To be clear, i have nothing against Kanjuro being the "traitor", and his backstory is mostly compelling, what i'm saying is that in order to keep it a secret and keeping the plot going till now Oda had to cut some corners, some of which where there just for dramatic effect, ultimately. And weren't all that needed, in the end, cause most people had figured out that it was only Kanjuro that made sense, until the boiling pot part (noone coul predict the death wish part, so after that it could be anyone and their moms). -
Great traitor reveal!
That's why Kanjuro closed Kinemon's eyes and made them fall from Zou. That's why he drew that slow dragon. That's why he made stairs so that Dressrosa citizens could climb and capture Riku and the others. I thought he made all that because he was goofy, such a good cover!! The perfect role is to play the fool.Only nitpick: how come the lowly moron aboard Kaidou's ship knows who the traitor is and recognizes him. That's the same Oda foolishness of having the greatest undercover team (CP9) live for years infiltrated using their real names. Every silly marine knew that there was a super spy called Rob Lucci in EL. Why would he use his name in W7??
I mean, you could pretty much look at any of Kanjuro's past questionable actions and chalk it up to him being a mole but I think he was just being true to his character; whatever you may want to call it.
I guess the lowly moron has good eyes and saw that Kanjuro had an "evil" aura.
Not as dumb as CP9 using their real names. -
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Yeah, Kanjuro being the traitor was the only one that really felt right and I think there are a lot of things that have yet to be explained.
Kanjuro was hiding his true artistic ability so how much do we know about how his "ink clones?" really work? Did he clone himself or others in order to mislead others, provide false information, or just cause discord and mistrust.
I mean how easy would it have been for him to "paint" one of the other sheaths and have them do something suspicious.
If Oda really had planned all this out I daresay he could have taken it even further. I know everyone seems to think Oda is a god and I think he did plan on making Kanjuro the traitor, but at what point did he decide that and his backstory, hiding his true abilities and all.
Why did Kanjuro sacrifice himself to save Kinemon and Momonosuke in Dressrosa? Considering Kanjuro's true drawing abilities I think he could have gotten away once Kinemon and Momo were gone and couldn't see his true drawing ability.
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I mean, you could pretty much look at any of Kanjuro's past questionable actions and chalk it up to him being a mole but I think he was just being true to his character; whatever you may want to call it.
I guess the lowly moron has good eyes and saw that Kanjuro had an "evil" aura.
Not as dumb as CP9 using their real names.Well Kanjuro was using his real first name too. And he was part of a family infamous enough to get recognized and killed on stage.
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Isn't the point of his obsession that once in character he can't break it unless he receives new stage direction. As in he couldn't draw a better image as a kozuki because his insanity doesn't allow for him to do anything his character could not
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This chapter is so freaking good! The entire scene of the reveal was so immersive and intense. The setting is just genius too.
Can't get enough of it.
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And yet Dog and Cat were not. Kiku was not, Ashura was not, Kawamasu was already caught, and Raizo was wanted for infos on Momo⌠Momo who was with the informer the whole time. All the other things about kanjuro's spying i can get by with minor nitpicks, but all about the whole Zou business really seems too far fetched.
Kaidou has already captured Kinemon/Momo so the only one left was Raizou.
He only knew that they broke away from Doffy's hand later, after Zou arc.
The others who didn't leap through time, kaidou wasn't interested in for some reason. Even though they were living in Wano.
@Alfiere:Didn't he? I'll trust you on that i honestly don't remember if we can take this for granted
How could he? Wano is isolated and Kanjuro never left it as far as we know.
A choice which undermined his utility as a Kozuki retainer, exactly.
So he wasn't that committed to his false cause, right? can you see what i'm getting at? :)Yes that's the character he chose to portray.. and he committed to it, I can buy it.
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Well Kanjuro was using his real first name too. And he was part of a family infamous enough to get recognized and killed on stage.
Good point but I'm not sure of the timeline. Did Kanjuro join Oden before or after Orochi got to him?
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It had to be before he joined Oden. He said the "man you thought I was never existed".
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But what about what Orochi said? He said "a few months ago" : "He has no mind of his own. He lived as a perfect vassal for Kozuki until I stopped him".
So yeah I think it was after he joined Oden.
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But what about what Orochi said? He said "a few months ago" : "He has no mind of his own. He lived as a perfect vassal for Kozuki until I stopped him".
So yeah I think it was after he joined Oden.
I think it was a mistranslation putting it in the past tense and he actually said "He will keep living as a perfect vassal for Kozuki until I stop him". This is clearly what Kanjuro referred to when he said in present time he would have happily died at the sea with the other retainers but "Orochi stopped him" and said the act was over.
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"He has no mind of his own. He lived as a perfect vassal for Kozuki until I stopped him" - This part was in reference to Kanjuro willing to die with Oden at the execution
The narration starts with "a few months ago" and that is in reference to when the time travelers first arrived and Orochi is speaking to Kaido about the news that Kanjuro sent him
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Man, I think now is the perfect time for a lengthy re-read, at least from the second half of Dressrosa onwards.
I just skimmed through some Zou Arc chapters and it's like reading it through a different lense. Like when Luffy clashes with the Mink Guardians and Wanda notes how he was lucky that he didn't encounter them on a moonlit night. Back then everyone just assumed that she meant Neko's group being even more aggressive than the daytime forces, but that was already a hint towards Sulong.
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Was this posted explaining the poor paintings by Kanjuro?
He seems to be right handed but all shit paintings he has done with his left hand LOL
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Man, I think now is the perfect time for a lengthy re-read, at least from the second half of Dressrosa onwards.
I just skimmed through some Zou Arc chapters and it's like reading it through a different lense. Like when Luffy clashes with the Mink Guardians and Wanda notes how he was lucky that he didn't encounter them on a moonlit night. Back then everyone just assumed that she meant Neko's group being even more aggressive than the daytime forces, but that was already a hint towards Sulong.
There has been so many chapters that would have made Zou great to reread that I've lost count lol
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There has been so many chapters that would have made Zou great to reread that I've lost count lol
Yeah, it's really a small masterpiece of an arc. One of the best, if not the best post TS (all things considered). I can't think of anything that annoyed or bored me back then.
Short, sweet, rich. And now Oda is making me go back to it!
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I think it was a mistranslation putting it in the past tense and he actually said "He will keep living as a perfect vassal for Kozuki until I stop him". This is clearly what Kanjuro referred to when he said in present time he would have happily died at the sea with the other retainers but "Orochi stopped him" and said the act was over.
I can buy that. If that's the case I hope it's fixed in the volume release.
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"He has no mind of his own. He lived as a perfect vassal for Kozuki until I stopped him" - This part was in reference to Kanjuro willing to die with Oden at the execution
The narration starts with "a few months ago" and that is in reference to when the time travelers first arrived and Orochi is speaking to Kaido about the news that Kanjuro sent him
How was that in reference to Kanjuro being willing to die with Oden at the execution?
Yes I know that.
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Was this posted explaining the poor paintings by Kanjuro?
He seems to be right handed but all shit paintings he has done with his left hand LOL
https://i.ibb.co/QQyzBD1/8030s.jpgThere's a lot more weird stuff surrounding Kanjuro all the way back to his introduction, which one can catch on a quick reread.
- He "accidentally" let some Dressrosians climb up the King's Plateau.
- He doesn't hate dragons like how Kin'emon does, enough to draw one.
- He was the only one aside from Brook that knew Nami, Robin and Shinobu were in the bathhouse, when it was raided by Drake and Hawkins.
- Jack somehow knows "only" Raizo was at Zou, something only Kinemon and Kanjuro would be aware of.
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Kanjuro noted how his drawings dissolve when they come in contact with water, and his drawn cat while climbing Zunisha did dissolve. However, in this chapter his drawn clone could ride through a storm on a small boat just fine.
So did he dismiss the cat on his own and the water was just an excuse?
