uhm, what's the locks/rocks thing?
Chapter 907: The Empty Throne
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@uniaka:
What I don't get it is gorosei and bonney thing. If she is the thing that makes them stay the same age, why is she Always free and even travels the seas as pirate and they don't have her locked in a cell or something?
Oh yeah, and were are king cobra, Dalton, elizabello , king Riku and Kyros at?
I guess what uniaka meant was:"where were they while Charlos tried to kidnap Shirahoshi?"
Dalton, Elizabello as well as the other "good" Kings knew it was useless to challenge/fight a CD. I really don't know where Kyros was though.
So it is interesting, that only 2 captains of the SH-fleet now have a "dispute" with Lucci. Anyway it doesn't seem random, that Oda chose these two to fight Lucci.But the better question IMO is:
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uhm, what's the locks/rocks thing?
That was probably a nickname of a pirate-group who had their age even before Roger. Their captain is no more, but BM and Kaidou seem to have been in that group. Shakky fits in that timeframe as well as other oldies like Chinjao.
But it's all speculation.
rayleigh92's theory about them being the next OP-movie's villains makes sense as well.
"Why are you smirking about that, Garp!?" - "Cause I just revealed the content of the newest OP-movie!" -
After rereading the chapter several times, a few things come to mind:
1.) We know that the throne is extremely important, and the story about no one ever having sat on it is almost definitely a lie.
2.) We know from the Ohara incident that the Celestial Dragons' greatest desire is to promote the founding legend and keep their ancestors' true actions a secret.
3.) The name of the great kingdom they destroyed is so important that it must never be uttered.Considering these facts and the general themes of the series, I think I get the gist of the story.
Prior to nine hundred years ago there was a great kingdom named Mary Geoise. It's likely that no country had ever been able to mount a successful attack on Mary Geoise due to its incredible natural defenses, so the "war" we've been told about didn't happen. Twenty pirates snuck into the capital and murdered the king, claiming the throne for themselves. Under cover of darkness their crews were carefully smuggled into the city and went on a rampage, indiscriminately killing as many of the rightful inhabitants of the city as they could find.
After a heated debate about who should rule, the twenty captains decided to use their newfound stronghold as a base from which to raid the nations of the world, declaring that no king would ever rule over them again. However, the pirates all agreed that their home islands were perpetually off-limits. Over time, representatives from the nations victimized by pirates came to Mary Geoise to offer tribute money in exchange for protection against the relentless pirate raids, possibly unaware that the two were directly related. This quickly became more lucrative than the raids had been, and many pirates were given positions in a newly established hierarchy of protection squads known as the Marines.
As more time passed, new (unrelated) pirates emerged and aging Marines passed on their brutal thug-like ways to a generation of young recruits softened by propaganda and the knowledge that the Marines had kept their homelands safe from the horrors of piracy.
If any part of this story ever reached the public, the Celestial Dragons' divinity and the Marines' moral fortitude would quickly be exposed as a complete farce.
With OP I feel all the majors secrets are somehow connected, so that if you solve one of them you also have solved all the others. That to say the secrets of the void century and the celestial dragons likely are somehow connected to the one piece hidden in Raftel. It's like the true hidden in Marie Geoise or in the Ponelyphs and the true hidden in Raftel are sides of the same coin.
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So did you notice sanji already completed his family dream to take over north blue?
They wanted the yonkou flag that would give them wins just because of it so it would be easy to get north blue again. Now that luffy is yonkou and they are known as allies, they are free to take north blue. All because of faill cooking sanji joining luffy, now his family can have north blue again.
Sure, if they managed to get away from BM, but if jimbe will, we can assume everyone did?
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WG used to be pirates or raiding parties.
I love that theory a lot. It would give the WG a fairly decent reason to want to hide it since they are a racket that became legit and it could explain Roger not being sure what to do with it.
I don't think it will be the case but if it was I would really enjoy it.
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uhm, what's the locks/rocks thing?
I'm expecting a pirate crew/group that Big Mom and Kaido attacked together and got their road stones from.
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@uniaka:
So did you notice sanji already completed his family dream to take over north blue?
They wanted the yonkou flag that would give them wins just because of it so it would be easy to get north blue again. Now that luffy is yonkou and they are known as allies, they are free to take north blue. All because of faill cooking sanji joining luffy, now his family can have north blue again.
Sure, if they managed to get away from BM, but if jimbe will, we can assume everyone did?
I was under the impression that Germa would directly need the BMPs' help in order to conquer North Blue. But even if their flag was all they needed to get started, the flag symbolizes the fact that the BMPs would back Germa up if anyone got out of line. The Straw Hats would never be willing to back Germa up and even if they were they don't currently have the resources to do it. The conquered islands and Marines would call the bluff and the Germa wouldn't keep control. And that's assuming Germa escaped Totto Land with only minor losses.
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I don't think he was that much affected by that.
At least considering the shit he went through after.
It was such a big deal that it was the first injury Oda listed in Whitebeard narration death box feat list.
@Monkey:Screwtape owns.
He's just a cantankerous little giggling leprechaun throwing walnuts at us all, and it's cool if you just learn to appreciate the comedy of it.I'd like to thank Oda Eiichiro for giving me good material to work with.
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@uniaka:
So did you notice sanji already completed his family dream to take over north blue?
They wanted the yonkou flag that would give them wins just because of it so it would be easy to get north blue again. Now that luffy is yonkou and they are known as allies, they are free to take north blue. All because of faill cooking sanji joining luffy, now his family can have north blue again.
Sure, if they managed to get away from BM, but if jimbe will, we can assume everyone did?
Big Mom has probably decimated their fleet. They can't conquer a whole sea with a flag alone.
Never mind that Judge wouldn't want to ride on Sanji or Luffy's coattails.
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I wonder if Rocks was from Wano? And him being so infamous is why Wano went isolationist and a part of the reason Kaido is there is something related to him.
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Why are people surprised about Lucci? The guy only cares to have a job in which he's free to kill… it doesn't matter who is the boss. The guy used to diligently obey Spandam's orders.
I agree.
I've pointed out before to some… Lucci, Kaku ect, were raised to be heartless agents for the government, esp. CP9
In the Enies Lobby arc, we see that the govt. would take orphans and raise them, train them from young age to be obedient fighters for the upper reaches of the government.
He was only 13 when he was suppose to take care of some pirates holding a mass of people hostage. He killed all the hostages so the pirates wouldn't have a leverage over the marines.Rob Lucci not caring about if royals getting killed is not new. Him taking orders from someone higher up in social standing (no matter the mental capacity .. or lack of!) is not new. I don't get why people think he has grown a heart over the 2 years or that he had a problem taking orders from a CD when, as you point out, he took orders from Spandam when the Spanda (love Franky's insults) was head of CP9
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I agree.
I've pointed out before to some… Lucci, Kaku ect, were raised to be heartless agents for the government, esp. CP9
In the Enies Lobby arc, we see that the govt. would take orphans and raise them, train them from young age to be obedient fighters for the upper reaches of the government.
He was only 13 when he was suppose to take care of some pirates holding a mass of people hostage. He killed all the hostages so the pirates wouldn't have a leverage over the marines.Rob Lucci not caring about if royals getting killed is not new. Him taking orders from someone higher up in social standing (no matter the mental capacity .. or lack of!) is not new. I don't get why people think he has grown a heart over the 2 years or that he had a problem taking orders from a CD when, as you point out, he took orders from Spandam when the Spanda (love Franky's insults) was head of CP9
Everyone secretly wanted Lucci to be the OG Katakuri he was always meant to be.
It really was amusing seeing the general reactions to Lucci's reintroduction being a mix of excitement that such a badass character has returned, only to be quickly reminded that oh yea, dude's a total dick.
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This is kind of weird…before Garp was considered legendary because he cornered Roger few times and was on par with him...now it's basically being said that he was in the Rocks era and was going against them before Roger showed up.
Theory: Maybe the 5 elders were part of the Rocks crew since they seem to be old enough for that lol...they also found one piece and had their own interpretation like how Rayleigh was saying "you'll have your own interpretation" but how did they become in charge so that doesn't really make sense lol
Maybe they just joined the cds because they thought the truth was too strong enough to tell the rest of the world and it would upset the peace. Since they're always trying to maintain the balance.
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I wonder what would actually happen if Vivi was the one to hit Charlos, since she's also a descendant of the creators of the world.
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I wonder what would actually happen if Vivi was the one to hit Charlos, since she's also a descendant of the creators of the world.
It's not just a blood thing. The same way Homing was not a Celestial Dragon once he left Marijoa she's not a celestial dragon since her family never went to Marijoa. So it would bad for her.
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I wonder what would actually happen if Vivi was the one to hit Charlos, since she's also a descendant of the creators of the world.
I don't think the Celestial Dragons recognize them as Celestial Dragons. They were founders yes, but they didn't move to Mariejoa with the rest of the families. So they gave up their right to being Celestial Dragons. She'd just be another "lowly royal", and hence attacked by CP0.
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@Buggy:
This is kind of weird…before Garp was considered legendary because he cornered Roger few times and was on par with him...now it's basically being said that he was in the Rocks era and was going against them before Roger showed up.
Theory: Maybe the 5 elders were part of the Rocks crew since they seem to be old enough for that lol...they also found one piece and had their own interpretation like how Rayleigh was saying "you'll have your own interpretation" but how did they become in charge so that doesn't really make sense lol
Maybe they just joined the cds because they thought the truth was too strong enough to tell the rest of the world and it would upset the peace. Since they're always trying to maintain the balance.//end random rumbling
My guess is that One Piece isn't just a treasure or something, it's a natural occurence/object that can't be removed (kinda like the tree in Elbaf) and it is proof of how all went down during the void century or at least how the real villains were. And everyone who managed to get there (most likely people from the D clan) had to leave something as a sacrifice/treasure for when the true possessor of the will of D. from the prophecy arrives and uses everything to fullfill that prophecy. There probably were others that got to Raftel before Roger but the WG shut them down before they could say anything.
Maybe it's some kind of puzzle that is beign put together for many years to be completed in the fatefull day when the chosen one comes…. or something in those lines. I don't think the Marines managed to get there because they lack the poneglyphs (and i doubt they even saw the red poneglyphs as if that happend, the red ones would be at Mariejois).
My imaginary view of Raftel is somewhat like the excalibur rock ... where everyone wants to get there and hope to pull the sword out, but only the right one can.
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@Kaido:
I was under the impression that Germa would directly need the BMPs' help in order to conquer North Blue. But even if their flag was all they needed to get started, the flag symbolizes the fact that the BMPs would back Germa up if anyone got out of line. The Straw Hats would never be willing to back Germa up and even if they were they don't currently have the resources to do it. The conquered islands and Marines would call the bluff and the Germa wouldn't keep control. And that's assuming Germa escaped Totto Land with only minor losses.
Nope, they said they only need the flag of yonkou. Similar how in NW flags can protect your land( fishman island and stuff) if you travel with it people will think you are under yonkou and they don't want to fight you and risk having the yonkous after them. People from North blue don't know if sanji and luffy likes his family or not, or if luffy has enough men to support them. All they know from the news is that luffy is now yonkou with large fleet and allies. What bluff? Even for marines, Luffy is known to have large fleet, capone and germa, fishmen as allies( ignoring they also know about his bro and father and revos allies).
And yes, the full germa fleet is fine since oda doesn't kll characters.
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@BellisarioFaith, I know I may ask to much but could it be possible to have a detail version of Stephan translation of Garp and Hina scene because it was hard to understand in both scan versions. Thanks
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@uniaka:
Nope, they said they only need the flag of yonkou. Similar how in NW flags can protect your land( fishman island and stuff) if you travel with it people will think you are under yonkou and they don't want to fight you and risk having the yonkous after them. People from North blue don't know if sanji and luffy likes his family or not, or if luffy has enough men to support them. All they know from the news is that luffy is now yonkou with large fleet and allies. What bluff? Even for marines, Luffy is known to have large fleet, capone and germa, fishmen as allies( ignoring they also know about his bro and father and revos allies).
And yes, the full germa fleet is fine since oda doesn't kll characters.
You forgot Law there.
The world doesn't know yet he's allied to the Fishmen right?? But they know about alliance with Law existed before Luffy allied up with Capone, which means the world believes Luffy is allied with two others of the Worst Generation. Though the truth is that the alliance with Capone was just for that event, but the world doesn't know that, only that they are allies. -
@Kaido:
Nah, it was in the movie (all 30 seconds of it) for marketing. But I wouldn't mind seeing it for reals
Off screened even match may have been a way to show what level Lucci would be. So something around Sabo but not an Admiral.
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My guess is that One Piece isn't just a treasure or something, it's a natural occurence/object that can't be removed (kinda like the tree in Elbaf) and it is proof of how all went down during the void century or at least how the real villains were. And everyone who managed to get there (most likely people from the D clan) had to leave something as a sacrifice/treasure for when the true possessor of the will of D. from the prophecy arrives and uses everything to fullfill that prophecy. There probably were others that got to Raftel before Roger but the WG shut them down before they could say anything.
Maybe it's some kind of puzzle that is beign put together for many years to be completed in the fatefull day when the chosen one comes…. or something in those lines. I don't think the Marines managed to get there because they lack the poneglyphs (and i doubt they even saw the red poneglyphs as if that happend, the red ones would be at Mariejois).
My imaginary view of Raftel is somewhat like the excalibur rock ... where everyone wants to get there and hope to pull the sword out, but only the right one can.
Oda said that the Strawhats will definitely get a good reward and it wont be dissapointing
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@BellisarioFaith, I know I may ask to much but could it be possible to have a detail version of Stephan translation of Garp and Hina scene because it was hard to understand in both scan versions. Thanks
Ill grab a copy now and try translate it.
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Oda said that the Strawhats will definitely get a good reward and it wont be dissapointing
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Yeah, Luffy beign the fated one and getting the "excalibur" thing, is kinda rewarding. Ofc it wont be a sword, more like a sens of fullfillment and the promise for a bette world when they discover what happend a long time ago and what the prophecy holds.
For what Oda has build around this manga and around Luffy's persona, i can't imagine One Piece to be a real treasure (gold, chests,etc) but something that enriches the persons character, freedom and ambition. This whole "I want to be the Pirate King" is a promise to the world that he will be the one who delivers what was foretold in a way, Luffy just doesn't realizes yet. I could be very wrong about it, but that's my feeling of the whole story.
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@BellisarioFaith, I know I may ask to much but could it be possible to have a detail version of Stephan translation of Garp and Hina scene because it was hard to understand in both scan versions. Thanks
Theres nothing wrong with the translations.
Kaidou and Big mom have been around for a long time. Before Whitebeard was the top there may have been a super strong pirate and that was there era.Speaking of Kaidou and Big mom, you are famous because of the rocks she said.
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Yeah, Luffy beign the fated one and getting the "excalibur" thing, is kinda rewarding. Ofc it wont be a sword, more like a sens of fullfillment and the promise for a bette world when they discover what happend a long time ago and what the prophecy holds.
For what Oda has build around this manga and around Luffy's persona, i can't imagine One Piece to be a real treasure (gold, chests,etc) but something that enriches the persons character, freedom and ambition. This whole "I want to be the Pirate King" is a promise to the world that he will be the one who delivers what was foretold in a way, Luffy just doesn't realizes yet. I could be very wrong about it, but that's my feeling of the whole story.
Although its quite interesting. Roger made it to Raftel learnt the whole history of the world but there is still someone the world is waiting for.
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@Monkey:
Evil aristocrats being depraved sex criminals is a cliche as old as time in fiction and uh otherwise. Not that Oda is necessarily implying the whole nine miles, but I think the general idea is to be creeped out.
Yeah, I get what you mean.
Just wondering if there was anything slightly more explicit that I'd missed with Charloss
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I agree.
I've pointed out before to some… Lucci, Kaku ect, were raised to be heartless agents for the government, esp. CP9
In the Enies Lobby arc, we see that the govt. would take orphans and raise them, train them from young age to be obedient fighters for the upper reaches of the government.
He was only 13 when he was suppose to take care of some pirates holding a mass of people hostage. He killed all the hostages so the pirates wouldn't have a leverage over the marines.Rob Lucci not caring about if royals getting killed is not new. Him taking orders from someone higher up in social standing (no matter the mental capacity .. or lack of!) is not new. I don't get why people think he has grown a heart over the 2 years or that he had a problem taking orders from a CD when, as you point out, he took orders from Spandam when the Spanda (love Franky's insults) was head of CP9
Also, Oda has this thing about beating people by destroying their dream/principles (by beating them). Lucci doesn't have any to destroy, hence there's no reason for him to change like Luffys's other opponents, from that point of view.
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All that said, I believe it's possible that Lucci will have a key role in this arc by letting something good happen to the good guys, like overlooking a chance to capture someone rebellious.
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All that said, I believe it's possible that Lucci will have a key role in this arc by letting something good happen to the good guys, like overlooking a chance to capture someone rebellious.
I think Lucci will always remain a bad to the bone guy. We have Fujitora who did a thing like you said back in Dressrosa. Lucci is there to portrayel the hidden aspect of the WG and to show the lengths it will go to maintain their reign.
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All that said, I believe it's possible that Lucci will have a key role in this arc by letting something good happen to the good guys, like overlooking a chance to capture someone rebellious.
As in, he would overlook an opportunity for state-approved murder/beatdown ? No way, you must be mistaking him with Fujitora
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As in, he would overlook an opportunity for state-approved murder/beatdown ? No way, you must be mistaking him with Fujitora
Unless doing so allows him to do more murder somewhere else.Itd be funny if someone in this arc takes advantage of his bloodlust by bribing him with the chance to murder someone.
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Just for the off-chance of being correct: Questioning the purpose of the CP9 Cover Story plot as well as why we only see Lucci and Kaku being CP0 members again, I wonder if Oda is perhaps setting them up as double agents again, actually opposing the WG. Could turn out to be a nice twist, seeing how they play the CD's lapdogs almost too straight forward.
Also, for net chapter I expect further reintroduction panels for Cobra, Pell, Chaka, Dold, Kyros and Elizabello. Then everyone should be covered.
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All that said, I believe it's possible that Lucci will have a key role in this arc by letting something good happen to the good guys, like overlooking a chance to capture someone rebellious.
I think Lucci will always remain a bad to the bone guy. We have Fujitora who did a thing like you said back in Dressrosa. Lucci is there to portrayel the hidden aspect of the WG and to show the lengths it will go to maintain their reign.
AS long as it does not contradict his orders, he can overlook stuff. Remember back in Enies Lobby, he noticed Chimney following but didn't say anything about it since he saw no harm from her. So while RigaCrypto is right, ad a I agree, Lucci is still bad to the bone and will not go against the CDs but I agree that the theackwardstation could be right, Lucci could do something that could be seen as good, but as long as its not against his orders such as protect/serve the CDs.
Say he heard one of the Pastel Princesses talk in support of Luffy, while he may not like Luffy, but it not in his orders to 'report anyone talking about Luffy' (why would royals do that -its a joke!) nor does Luffy currently pose a threat to the CDs. But its not out of altruism Lucci would do it, it would be more like "meh, its not in my job description so not caring about it".
Say he notices a known Revolutionary, since they are seen as enemies to the established order, I do not see Lucci letting them go. If its someone he does not recognize …. maybe, maybe not. If he thought they knew something that threatened his superiors/bosses, then likely nope, instead he would torture them for info. Remember how he found Usopp in Franky's hideout and 'interrogated' , aka tortured, him ?
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Just for the off-chance of being correct: Questioning the purpose of the CP9 Cover Story plot as well as why we only see Lucci and Kaku being CP0 members again, I wonder if Oda is perhaps setting them up as double agents again, actually opposing the WG. Could turn out to be a nice twist, seeing how they play the CD's lapdogs almost too straight forward.
Also, for net chapter I expect further reintroduction panels for Cobra, Pell, Chaka, Dold, Kyros and Elizabello. Then everyone should be covered.
Admittedly, it's been a while since I read the CP9 coverstory, but I seem to recall the big thing being that Spandam tried to pin the blame for the Enies Lobby incident on them and that's what put them on the outs with the World Government.
Given their history as secret agents (to say nothing of being indoctrinated since youth), the risk of being disavowed by their government should things go bad is ultimately just a part of the job, so I think that it makes sense that, rather than truly turning against the WG, the "rogue" CP9 would mostly be interested in repairing their reputation by making sure the higher-ups were fully aware of what truly happened, as opposed to the "Not my fault! It was all them!" narrative that Spandam was pushing.
Considering where they now (Lucci and Kaku, at least), I think it's safe to say they were successful, so with the blame going where it truly belongs (Spandam), it's not surprising to me that they're back in the WG's favor.
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The official spelling is 'Rox' so all the Gol D. Locks theories can go die.
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@uniaka:
Nope, they said they only need the flag of yonkou. Similar how in NW flags can protect your land( fishman island and stuff) if you travel with it people will think you are under yonkou and they don't want to fight you and risk having the yonkous after them. People from North blue don't know if sanji and luffy likes his family or not, or if luffy has enough men to support them. All they know from the news is that luffy is now yonkou with large fleet and allies. What bluff? Even for marines, Luffy is known to have large fleet, capone and germa, fishmen as allies( ignoring they also know about his bro and father and revos allies).
And yes, the full germa fleet is fine since oda doesn't kll characters.
He doesn't kill characters, but he does destroy equipment and ships. You can't conquer anything without those. The only way Germa can realistically escape is by flying and letting their stuff behind, as ships are big and slow.
Sanji wouldn't allow them to conquer anything anyway. And Luffy wouldn't want them to use his flag. If Judge attempted to dominate anything, he would just piss them off.
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As in, he would overlook an opportunity for state-approved murder/beatdown ? No way, you must be mistaking him with Fujitora
Unless doing so allows him to do more murder somewhere else.I think Lucci will always remain a bad to the bone guy. We have Fujitora who did a thing like you said back in Dressrosa. Lucci is there to portrayel the hidden aspect of the WG and to show the lengths it will go to maintain their reign.
The thing is… did Lucci change a little bit or not? It's not beyond him. He is a dutiful official that probably still likes to fight/kill and stuff, but who knows what his heart is telling him nowadays. I'm not trying to suggest that his character may have changed completely, but just that he may be a little more conflicted right now than he was back in the day.
In a way, in this chapter he was kinda helping everybody when he stopped the conflict from becoming even more problematic.
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Never expected another CD to intervene and do the right thing, especially with as much gusto as we saw. Good for him; it's rare to see that kind of personal reflection and improvement within that crowd. But seeing his full name, is the Donquixote family bigger than we thought, with Doflamingo, Corazon and their dad being the only ones we knew about until now? One would think that just a few with the name tarnishing the reputation of the family, it would get all the others kicked out of the country club, as it were.
Also, what of the rest of the retired CP9? Are they waiting in the wings to support Lucchi who's working as a potential double-agent? Just seems odd that someone who could lead an entire team of failures would not only not be held responsible for it, but get PROMOTED. Especially after dispatching a squad of executioners sent after them, to boot. He's got a lot to answer for and frankly, trusting him at this point is really moronic on their part. Guess they must figure Stussy and whoever else is part of CP0 are capable of keeping him in line. Still, HUGE liability. Like, worse than rogue Shichibukai since those guys are autonomous while CP0 are privy to high-level info and working closely with the government. They must really be hurting for manpower, for all the good it does them. Not even willing to take a dare from Big Mom even after her humiliation and the significant blow to her forces.
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Just for the off-chance of being correct: Questioning the purpose of the CP9 Cover Story plot as well as why we only see Lucci and Kaku being CP0 members again, I wonder if Oda is perhaps setting them up as double agents again, actually opposing the WG. Could turn out to be a nice twist, seeing how they play the CD's lapdogs almost too straight forward.
I'm thinking of something along those lines as well. If the coverstory never happened, it would be a different thing, but on it we saw the CP9 bonding, performing duties to help pay for Lucci treatment, be shocked when receiving sincere thanks from the regular people they helped and ultimately betray the WG by fighting the Marines to protect the peace on the island they grew.
Having all that just so they go back to be the WG lapdogs, except now under direct orders of the CD, is weird. I fully expect Lucci to stay being a bloodthirsty creature who will relish on the opportunity to kill someone (that smile when he saw Neptune would attack him says everything), but I can perfectly see him and his group playing a different role later.
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yooo, what if, and I know I am 99% wrong, what if that's not Shanks, but Dragon? I mean we don't know what happened to Mr. 2, so it could be Dragon disguised as Shanks!
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yooo, what if, and I know I am 99% wrong, what if that's not Shanks, but Dragon? I mean we don't know what happened to Mr. 2, so it could be Dragon disguised as Shanks!
Yes we do. The cover arc 'Around the World' post-TS showed he was still in Impel Down, as what looked like the new leader of the hidden area where we first meet Ivankov.
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Ok, Mjosgard has not been the nice guy. But now he represents a major twist since he's breaking the basic setup for cds (most likely he'll keep all his theet). Wonder what will happen next around him.
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VIZ officially translated our mystery group as "Rox".
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So Garp enters in a bar and orders a drink.
The Bartender says "What is gonna be?"
And Garp says "Anything. As long as it's on the Rox."
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So Garp enters in a bar and orders a drink.
The Bartender says "What is gonna be?"
And Garp says "Anything. As long as it's on the Rox."
Rofl….. 16 characters
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I guess now the group was like the Rox Pirates rather then being The Rocks.
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The idea someone mentioned earlier about Rox/Rocks/Locks/Lox/Locus/Rawxs being the next movie enemy weirdly is the one that seems the most likely to me.
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He doesn't kill characters, but he does destroy equipment and ships. You can't conquer anything without those. The only way Germa can realistically escape is by flying and letting their stuff behind, as ships are big and slow.
Sanji wouldn't allow them to conquer anything anyway. And Luffy wouldn't want them to use his flag. If Judge attempted to dominate anything, he would just piss them off.
They don't even need to use the SH flag since people already know from the news that they are allies. And luffy with 2 yonkous and fujitora after him won't have time to worry or agree with judge's actions in North blue.
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@.access:
The idea someone mentioned earlier about Rox/Rocks/Locks/Lox/Locus/Rawxs being the next movie enemy weirdly is the one that seems the most likely to me.
Have they done a "Resurrect the Dead" DF yet? Like, Brook's, but for others.
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@uniaka:
They don't even need to use the SH flag since people already know from the news that they are allies. And luffy with 2 yonkous and fujitora after him won't have time to worry or agree with judge's actions in North blue.
Judge has no way to know that.
Really, it's obvious Germa will be too weakened to do anything. The Totto Land fleet overwhelmed them.
Not to mention that now that they aren't part of the WG anymore, they would just become easy pickings for the Marines. Because, as you say, the Marines wouldn't have to worry about Luffy "with 2 Emperors and Fujitora chasing him".
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Judge has no way to know that.
Really, it's obvious Germa will be too weakened to do anything. The Totto Land fleet overwhelmed them.
Not to mention that now that they aren't part of the WG anymore, they would just become easy pickings for the Marines. Because, as you say, the Marines wouldn't have to worry about Luffy "with 2 Emperors and Fujitora chasing him".
But based on that all 5 yonkou allies are easy targets for marines, yet we don't hear about marines capturing them. While the main 10 men crew has too much to deal with, the grand fleet is not there so they can assume they will jump to help or the capone pirates and fishmen allies. And wano could just last 1 day like dressrosa so things can get better for SHs fast.
The fact that sanji is now known as vinsmoke around the world and is part of the main crew shows the great relation between SH and germa( how world and wg sees it, not how luffy and sanji or judge feel about it).
About the germa tech. We know the castle is made of many snails that could separate and sail away, the family can fly and we are not sure about all the things normal soldiers have or judge's tech. And with fishmen there it will be hard for Bm pirates or bm herself to do much on water.
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@uniaka:
But based on that all 5 yonkou allies are easy targets for marines, yet we don't hear about marines capturing them. While the main 10 men crew has too much to deal with, the grand fleet is not there so they can assume they will jump to help or the capone pirates and fishmen allies. And wano could just last 1 day like dressrosa so things can get better for SHs fast.
The fact that sanji is now known as vinsmoke around the world and is part of the main crew shows the great relation between SH and germa( how world and wg sees it, not how luffy and sanji or judge feel about it).
About the germa tech. We know the castle is made of many snails that could separate and sail away, the family can fly and we are not sure about all the things normal soldiers have or judge's tech. And with fishmen there it will be hard for Bm pirates or bm herself to do much on water.
It's better you just stop. We know Judge won't use Luffy's flag to conquer the North Blue. Using the "Luffy will be too busy to care" logic can easily be spun against yourself and is mostly based on reader perspective.
There's issues of pride, Germa Kingdom's state after Big Mom trounced them (902 shows that the kingdom is heavily damaged), available resources… Big Mom did want their cloning tech, and I wouldn't be surprised if she had acquired it.
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Talking about a common theme in this thread about why the kings allow the CDs to do anything, I personally think this is a great representation of imperialism by Oda. The World Government has been built as a huge power through the series, with good sides and bad sides. Besides the discussion of advantages of joining it or fear from not joining, it doesn't seem to me as a "choice" wether your nation gets to be part of it or not, because the field is never levelled in the first place. A single country can't go against a coallition, and the last alliance of countries that opposed them… well, that seemed to have happened 800 years ago.
I personally love the idea of the empty throne. It seems to be a very mature and reallistic representation of power dynamics in the real world. Instead of a villanous ruler the enemies in One Piece are a whole class of nobles that can do what they want. And it is even shown how this system can be ursuped and turned to worse by an egoistical spoiled brat like Stelly.
Besides, we must remember that the story we are reading is probably going to be exactly about how the world grows tired of the CDs domination and is helped in a huge worldwide change by the pirate Luffy. We are witnessing the tipping point.