huh?
Did you mean there's something in there or it just reminded you of something?
In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.
huh?
Did you mean there's something in there or it just reminded you of something?
In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.
You watch your mouth pal, Long John is a nice guy and just as good lookin' as anyone around here.
so you basically just say that the people here also looked as shit as him ? lmao
In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.
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o.O whoah I'd say you got a keen eye, I missed that, but Oda really had that very, very obvious. How did I miss that? I guess I was more focused on Attachan (sp?) being there and miss the flash next to him.
Alphamale gone? Well good riddance to bad rubbish I always say.
In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.
Awesome!!!!!!
I still say Fugitora doesn't use a Devil Fruit ability but a Sword Technique similar to Kinemons Firefox Style. But let's see if Oda will specify it at any point. Unless he has in an SBS and I missed it.
He uses sword techniques to pull meteors from space and make navy ships levitate?
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o.O whoah I'd say you got a keen eye, I missed that, but Oda really had that very, very obvious. How did I miss that? I guess I was more focused on Attachan (sp?) being there and miss the flash next to him.
Ah, I definitely did not notice it on my own, I was as surprised as you haha
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o.O whoah I'd say you got a keen eye, I missed that, but Oda really had that very, very obvious. How did I miss that? I guess I was more focused on Attachan (sp?) being there and miss the flash next to him.
It also seems like Arthur missed it despite his 16 pages of nice observations. Thanks for sharing blissed
@Gecko:
Loved the chapter.
The title and first spread tie the WG more to American/McDonald's imperialism (since the Chinese hanzi for USA means ''beautiful country''.) The cameos were amazing (Kaiserstache and Skeletor interacting with Sengoku especially) and everyone was hilarious. Next we get more hints the Red Line is designed by the WG, until the big country representation. Russian beer and dolls, Lincoln-quoting King of Bollywood, USA (lol), a Queen of Morocco/al-Maghreb, and of course, a King Tacos based off Emiliano Zapata as much as Ham Burger is based off Lincoln. A beautiful world indeed.
I bet we'll get a flashback to the first time Fishman Island was at Reverie. As I'm rereading I noticed an Absalom invisible cameo lmao. I'm eagerly awaiting when Vivi meets Shirahoshi, and puts Sterry's racist ass in his place (unless Sabo has done it first!) I wouldn't be surprised if the arc ends with both Vivi and Shirahoshi outcasts from the WG, unfortunately. It's gonna be very lit. Can't wait for next week with that closer.
Speaking as a Mexican American living in China, pretty much the only place racist to Mexicans is the United States, and perhaps to a lesser extent, Cuba, Argentina, and Spain. King Tacos (wonder if Oda has been to Los Angeles' King Taco chain? Really good tacos!) quotes Zapata, one of the greatest Mexicans in history. So the portrayal is not bad at all IMO. A racist cartoon would not even know who Zapata is.
Now, if an Anglo American cartoonist was doing this, I'd be a lot more skeptical. Due to the Mexican-American War, the origin of Mexican Americans comes as a conqered people, similar to Native Americans, Hawaiians and Alaskans, African Americans, Puerto Ricans, and Filipino Americans, among others. Nearly every other immigrant group eventually "whitened" (even Chinese Americans, whose immigration led to the 1870s-1880s Chinese Exclusion Acts amidst Trumpist furor in post-Civil War California, are now seen as a "model minority," a benignly racist trope echoing how Jews were seen a century ago) but Mexican Americans are stuck with Trump as our president due to mainstream American culture not acknokwledging the roots of this conquest. There is a phrase, "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed me," but we will continue to be racialized and demonized until another Chicanx movement gets our rightful place in the sun. As I get older, the Fishman Island arc really does get better and better on ever reread, especially now. Hope Shirahoshi can get her place in the sun too.
Anyways, outside of the United States, people just look at Mexican culture and food, and love it. There's no history of conquest or oppression. I study international relations in Beijing and my Chinese colleagues think all Latin Americans speak English! Japan is not nearly as closed to the world as China, but you can just see how different things are by the price of tacos. Due to racism, tacos are extremely cheap in the United States. In Eurasia, tacos are very expensive because Mexican food is renowned as a rare and rich delicacy. So we should not be so ethnocentric as to analyze Oda from an Anglo American perspective, IMO.
Also, as as someone with some Moroccan and Arab heritage, it was nice to see the shoutout of both Morrocco and Mexico alongside great powers like the USA and Russia. It was annoying for the scanlation to miss that Mororon is a clear reference to Morocco (known in Arabic as al-Maghreb; in English the Maghreb is North Africa except for Egypt and eastern Libya), but Oda knows what he's doing. Due to their European colonization, the Mexican and Moroccan representation showcases not only indigenous Mexican and Berber culture, but also Spanish and French influence. Oda's done a lot of homework, and I feel great about it.
Sorry for getting a bit off-topic…but "due to racism,tacos are extremely cheap in United States "? Whaaat?LOL.
So,you wanna tell me that the law of supply and demand has no part in this matter?The fact that tacos are a delicacy far more common in USA than in Asia has no relation with this matter?If you fill the chinese market with tacos right now,their prices won't drop the next day?
C'mon...we already have "Lazy Justice","Absolute Justice" ,"Dark Justice"and "Unclear Justice" in this manga...and now we have "Social Justice" too?LOL
Most Yonkou and their commanders already have DFs. Why would they have interest in the Mera Mera?
It's simple, you'd better not let this DF in the hands of an enemy.
This is why Fujitora said that he had fucked up when Sabo ate the DF.
You'll always find a trustworthy person to give it to. I have no doubt that someone strong enough in a yonkou crew would like to have it.
Plus, the contest was held one day after the Mera Mera was announced as a prize. Only people that were in the island for whatever reason (like the Happo Navy, looking for the weapon factory) or close to it could've realistically participate.
Burgess managed to get there though. Also, Cavendish was there for the DF. And Bartolomeo wanted to bring it to Luffy.
Why are you assuming Fujitora had his DF before joining the Marines? Heck, couldn't Fujitora be a Samurai himself ?
Wano is very much closed on itself. People barely seems to get out of there. And if the Marines fear to go there, it's because they're not welcome. I can't see a samurai actually joining the Marines, especially as an admiral.
Also, if he was a traitor, I guess Kinemon would have said something about it during Dressrossa. He could still be one though, but it's getting unlikely
And I'm not assuming he had his DF before joining the Marines. But you're all assuming he didn't have one.
Also, that bolded sentence is kinda stupid. Are we making up rules about where powerful people should belong?
No, but you actually have to interact with strong people to get strong.
Tacos, or atleast what we Scandi's call tacos is very beloved and somewhat of a staple. But it's pretty cheap fare that families make at home with pre-made spice mixes and what have you. But i guess a more authentic Mexican restaurant would be able to charge more for the real deal, but since the santa maria taco friday tradition is so strong around here i doubt tacos will ever shake the cheap and pleasing category in the public mind.
An arc without Luffy, can't get any better than that.
Of course it can… Non Luffy-centered arcs is something the series needs to be even greater than what it is, imo.
@Gecko:
Loved the chapter.
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Thanks for the post. It made me appreciate much more the chapter.
As for the absalon cameo I think it's more a representation of a visual effect, like what you see when many flashes are shot in the same place: you can't tell all the sources.
It's simple, you'd better not let this DF in the hands of an enemy.
This is why Fujitora said that he had fucked up when Sabo ate the DF.
They had a Marine enter the Colosseum fight. A high-ranked one too.
Fujitora couldn't really enter as he had to deal with Doflamingo and Law.
You'll always find a trustworthy person to give it to. I have no doubt that someone strong enough in a yonkou crew would like to have it.
Still doesn't change the fact that there was no Yonko commander nearby.
Only Jack was relatively close (Zou was a day away from Dressrosa at the time of his invasion), but he was busy with the Minks by that point.
Burgess managed to get there though. Also, Cavendish was there for the DF. And Bartolomeo wanted to bring it to Luffy.
Because they were nearby. It's all about being lucky enough to be around Dressrosa when the announcement was made.
You can easily explain all those things with location. We know Doflamingo obtained the Mera Mera hours before the tournament (it wasn't even a day). It would actually be nonsensical to have a Yonko or one of their commanders there unless they could teleport (Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri all have their duties at Totto Land, for example). The likes of Cavendish and Bartolomeo are free enough to hang around in any non-territorial island.
Burgess is the kind of guy that made sense to be there as he likes randomly fighting people (Jaya had him challenging people in the street to a fight), so I wouldn't be surprised if he planned to enter the tournament with or without the Mera Mera. The colosseum was famous enough for that.
No, but you actually have to interact with strong people to get strong.
And how do you know Fujitora didn't interact with strong people? Lol.
For all we know, Fujitora could've been a vagrant like the real Zatoichi, who fought all sorts of people in his travels.
Sorry for getting a bit off-topic…but "due to racism,tacos are extremely cheap in United States "? Whaaat?LOL.
So,you wanna tell me that the law of supply and demand has no part in this matter?The fact that tacos are a delicacy far more common in USA than in Asia has no relation with this matter?If you fill the chinese market with tacos right now,their prices won't drop the next day?
**C'mon…we already have "Lazy Justice","Absolute Justice" ,"Dark Justice"and "Unclear Justice" in this manga...and now we have "Social Justice" too?**LOL
Yeah tacos being cheap in the US aint racist.
The bolded is hilarious.
AP Forums Taco Tuesday Night needs to be a thing.
You find the matrioshka daughters joke mediocre ?
By mediocre I mean it's a 10/20. Not saying it's garbage. But it's definitely un-creative
Being from the country morocco, i understood the pun made by ODA about the queen Mororon (morocco) of the tajine (famous dish in moroco) kingdome
Oda is a genius man, He brought the fasting thing twice, last year in Big mom past about the elbaf fasting in ramadan (Fasting month of muslims), and now he rbough it again with Greenbull in ramadan again
Alphamale gone? Well good riddance to bad rubbish I always say.
not really , we still have you so the trash hasn't been ridden yet
From "AlphaMan" to "AlphaBro"…......What a creative dude.
From "AlphaMan" to "AlphaBro"…......What a creative dude.
AlphaMan? Ah you mean him . Yeah he is one of my bro .
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Being from the country morocco, i understood the pun made by ODA about the queen Mororon (morocco) of the tajine (famous dish in moroco) kingdome
Oda is a genius man, He brought the fasting thing twice, last year in Big mom past about the elbaf fasting in ramadan (Fasting month of muslims), and now he rbough it again with Greenbull in ramadan again
Oda actually is being a douchebag lol . It's Ramadhan but he decides to draw those delicious swiss food and now he named the characters as delicious food.
Hahahahahahahaha! That is not even subtle.
Hahahahahahahaha! That is not even subtle.
what are you talking about? He's my bro , not blood-related but gang-related . You know, like luffy-ace-sabo.
so yeah , this chapter (and I think some chapters in the upcoming weeks) would be about building tensions . Hope there would some crazy plot twist in this mini-arc
That moment when Sogeking acts like Ussop was a friend
I’d say it’s more like Caeser pretending he’s Gangster Gastino.
Place your bets. Is he going to get banned again today, tomorrow, or in a week?
So I love Orlumbus' cover page. As anyone in the military would tell you, that takes dedication to square yourself and your room daily that early in the morning.
It seems like a simple cover page, but it tells you ALOT about Orlumbus' character with such a simple act.
So I love Orlumbus' cover page. As anyone in the military would tell you, that takes dedication to square yourself and your room daily that early in the morning.
It seems like a simple cover page, but it tells you ALOT about Orlumbus' character with such a simple act.
This cover has my appretiation too as a great piece of characterization.
By mediocre I mean it's a 10/20. Not saying it's garbage. But it's definitely un-creative
Well let’s disagree in what is uncreative :-)
Being from the country morocco, i understood the pun made by ODA about the queen Mororon (morocco) of the tajine (famous dish in moroco) kingdome
Oda is a genius man, He brought the fasting thing twice, last year in Big mom past about the elbaf fasting in ramadan (Fasting month of muslims), and now he rbough it again with Greenbull in ramadan again
I noticed the fasting thing too It's nice even if it is a coincidence.
When a guy named "Alpha" reminds you more of a crab on a beach snipping at random people.
That Absalom catch was great, I remember someone pointing it out a few days back. Never would've caught it myself. I think it catches people off-guard because that's TWO easter eggs in one panel.
So I'm the first one to suggest that the "invisible" flash is a fairly common depiction of many different flashes going off at once?
Place your bets. Is he going to get banned again today, tomorrow, or in a week?
okay let's bet . Would love to see your losing face next week !
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When a guy named "Alpha" reminds you more of a crab on a beach snipping at random people.
said the guy with anime as profile picture .
So I'm the first one to suggest that the "invisible" flash is a fairly common depiction of many different flashes going off at once?
It's more fun to think it's Absalom though.
So I'm the first one to suggest that the "invisible" flash is a fairly common depiction of many different flashes going off at once?
You aren't!
However, in both panels with camera flashes, it specifically goes off where no camera is angled to be. I'd say the even more telling panel is page 8 panel 2, where there's only one visible camera going off. And since we have an invisible reporter in the series, it's definitely within the realm of possibility.
I wonder what his next name will be. AlphaDude? Or will he switch it up a little, go with something like AlphaBitch?
What a turd he was.
@Kaido:
I wonder what his next name will be. AlphaDude? Or will he switch it up a little, go with something like AlphaBitch?
I don't think he will be that stupid.
But let's see if he does in fact come back.
It's more fun to think it's Absalom though.
I think the fact that there is an empty place between the two visible photogrpahs leaves no doubt
Asspull is a concept a little broader than a Deus ex-machina, that's when you resolve an unsolvable problem by a force completely outside the narrative after the author puts himself in a corner. It's just something that you take out of your ass when you're in a pinch, because there's no way to resolve that problem with the possibilities given by the conditions that you had established in the story. Even if the author is not in a corner, something can be an asspull if there's no plausible explanation for the solution the author chose for the problem.
That's hardly applicable to the new admirals' situation, especially because the situation itself is not built as a problem to be solved and definitely not in a closed context of available options. Actually, the need to fill the position of admirals is completely void of pre-established conditions, since the admirals come from the worldbuilding of the series, which is in constant expansion and we've seen only a fraction of what there is to see. The author is basically free to do whatever he wants here, because he didn't put himself in a corner.
Everyone else in the marines looked like ants compared to the admirals to make them proper monsters. It worked great to make the menacing but now how the hell am I going to find credible replacement without lowering the threat level? Marines getting to this level seems a bit like a stretch and they'll probably be considered inferior to the others by readers. New characters won't have that problem but it would seem strange if they were that powerful. Ahah I know I'll say they searched aaaall over the world and there were 2 out there. If I say the world clearly there is a possibility they existed…
It's not the worst but I can clearly how that seems to convenient when you see what Oda gave us up to this moment.
I doubt there is anything that could be considered an asspull without being incoherent by your definition. And your definition really sounds like deus ex-machina. It makes me curious. Could you provide an example of what you consider an asspull?
Why the CP0 being a public organization is even more of asspull?
Because we already knew all the CPs. Maybe there could have been some explanation on how it is even more secret than the CP9 but when it is as public as the rest it feel even more like a sudden addition.
Concerning the CP-0, I don't really get what they're doing tbh. How are they any different from the CP-9 ? To me, it just looks like the CP-9 changed its name and recruited more people with goofy masks. And the CP-9 probably doesn't even exist anymore.
Also, wasn't the CP-9 working for the Gorosei after all ?
How do you know Fujitora didn't interact with strong people? Lol.
I do not "know" that. But the only way to get that strong is to be active in the New-World. Just like everyone else.
We have two top tiers who appeared out of the blue, but people don't really mind. Just imagine two characters as strong as admirals who are not admirals. That's what Ryokugyu and Fujitora were 2 years ago. What would be your reaction if next week, Luffy falls on two guys as strong as admirals but who are mere civilians ?
Anyway, we'll see when the flashbacks will come. Currently, the likeliest explanation is that they were both hermits… Honestly, one blinded himself, the other has been fasting for 3 years. I guess that's the kind of fucked up thing hermits would do.
For all we know, Fujitora could've been a vagrant like the real Zatoichi, who fought all sorts of people in his travels.
Just like the other admirals, only his chara-design is based on an actor/movie character
Also, who are the "all sorts of people" you could be referring to ? Yonkous and their top commanders are strong because they fight each other and fight the Marines. The admirals are strong because they fight pirates.
Then you're implying that Fujitora and Ryokugyu were like Weevil. Except that they were wayyyy stronger. The issue isn't that they're strong, but that they're too strong to appear out of nowhere
Concerning the CP-0, I don't really get what they're doing tbh. How are they any different from the CP-9 ? To me, it just looks like the CP-9 changed its name and recruited more people with goofy masks. And the CP-9 probably doesn't even exist anymore.
Also, wasn't the CP-9 working for the Gorosei after all ?
CP1-9 are under the general umbrella of the World Government, but CP0 are the private intelligence agency of the Celestial Dragons.
Essentially, imagine if the President of the U.S. had his own version of the CIA that worked only for him.
Everyone else in the marines looked like ants compared to the admirals to make them proper monsters. It worked great to make the menacing but now how the hell am I going to find credible replacement without lowering the threat level? Marines getting to this level seems a bit like a stretch and they'll probably be considered inferior to the others by readers. New characters won't have that problem but it would seem strange if they were that powerful. Ahah I know I'll say they searched aaaall over the world and there were 2 out there. If I say the world clearly there is a possibility they existed…
It's not the worst but I can clearly how that seems to convenient when you see what Oda gave us up to this moment.
One could say that Magellan and Shiliew are on par with the Admirals, at least very close, and who knows what Oda plans for CP0's power level. Why am I saying this? Just to point out that it's not too far-fetched in this verse that the WG is able to recruit really powerful people that is close to admiral level and then give them an overpowered devil fruit to fill the gap (if it's even necessary). Then we have Yonkou Commanders, people that may be below admiral level, but seem to be able to match them pretty well, so it's not unresonable to think that there are powerful people like that around the world that weren't affiliated with Yonkou or marines.
Nowadays we're talking about countries that the WG themselves won't try to disturb, like Wano and Elbaf, so who knows what's out there.
If nothing else, I think it's nice to see that the world is richer than what our eyes could see.
I doubt there is anything that could be considered an asspull without being incoherent by your definition. And your definition really sounds like deus ex-machina. It makes me curious. Could you provide an example of what you consider an asspull?
To make my life easier, I just researched the meaning of asspull in TvTropes and even they say that an asspull can be a Deus ex-machina (but when it's to help the good guys, otherwise it's a Diabolus ex-machina). Here's the link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Asspull
Because we already knew all the CPs. Maybe there could have been some explanation on how it is even more secret than the CP9 but when it is as public as the rest it feel even more like a sudden addition.
It is a sudden addition, but it doesn't strictly contradict anything stated before, even though it could have been mentioned just to make the kind of foreshadowing that apparently is necessary for people to accept something new. We should be a little more comprehensive to the fact that the worldbuilding in OP is growing as the story gets longer and it naturally unfolds into some institutions that play a technical role in that system. Regardless, the only agency in focus in that arc was CP9, the only secret organization that we know about, who was doing their secret operation in Water 7, so it's all fine to me because everything else was in the dark.
okay let's bet . Would love to see your losing face next week !
Looks like won. I guess my prize is a fancy new signature.
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Back on topic. I'm in the camp that considers CP0's introduction very clunky. Unless I'm misremembering, Water 7 mentioned that to the general public there were only Cipher Pols 1-8, and maybe a rumored 9th division. Then suddenly CP0 shows up in public and everyone recognizes them. It would have been better if Oda had just given them a different name, like "The Celestial Guard," or something. The organization itself makes sense, it just felt like Oda was trying to pander to CP9 fans in a way that didn't work.
One could say that Magellan and Shiliew are on par with the Admirals, at least very close, and who knows what Oda plans for CP0's power level. Why am I saying this? Just to point out that it's not too far-fetched in this verse that the WG is able to recruit really powerful people that is close to admiral level and then give them an overpowered devil fruit to fill the gap (if it's even necessary). Then we have Yonkou Commanders, people that may be below admiral level, but seem to be able to match them pretty well, so it's not unresonable to think that there are powerful people like that around the world that weren't affiliated with Yonkou or marines.
Nowadays we're talking about countries that the WG themselves won't try to disturb, like Wano and Elbaf, so who knows what's out there.
If nothing else, I think it's nice to see that the world is richer than what our eyes could see.
To make my life easier, I just researched the meaning of asspull in TvTropes and even they say that an asspull can be a Deus ex-machina (but when it's to help the good guys, otherwise it's a Diabolus ex-machina). Here's the link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Asspull
They say a Deus exmachina is an asspull not the opposite(like a square is rectangle not the other way). Their actual definition is the first paragraph. Some might consider the we found 2 citizens that were strong enough to be admirals "a less-than-graceful narrative development". Also it's one of the few time were they straight up say it's an opinion and don't quote them on it.
But what I wanted of was an example of a time you considered yourself in the presence of an asspull. Not someone else. You. People have various meters on it so I wanted an idea on yours.
It is a sudden addition, but it doesn't strictly contradict anything stated before, even though it could have been mentioned just to make the kind of foreshadowing that apparently is necessary for people to accept something new. We should be a little more comprehensive to the fact that the worldbuilding in OP is growing as the story gets longer and it naturally unfolds into some institutions that play a technical role in that system. Regardless, the only agency in focus in that arc was CP9, the only secret organization that we know about, who was doing their secret operation in Water 7, so it's all fine to me because everything else was in the dark.
It was explicitly said there are CP1 to CP8 known to the public and CP9 that is secret which means it's actually an incoherence more than an asspull(I thought they were secret when I said asspull).
The reason I called it an asspull was that there really was no reason to assume another CP hanging around. Saying there was one we never knew came from nowhere. A simple fix would have been to make make it CP1(although I think all the CPs were on the train so might not work) or naming them something else. Sometimes wanting to link evrything is not such a good idea.
It's not a big deal but it's not some clever introduction.
They say a Deus exmachina is an asspull not the opposite(like a square is rectangle not the other way). Their actual definition is the first paragraph. Some might consider the we found 2 citizens that were strong enough to be admirals "a less-than-graceful narrative development". Also it's one of the few time were they straight up say it's an opinion and don't quote them on it.
But what I wanted of was an example of a time you considered yourself in the presence of an asspull. Not someone else. You. People have various meters on it so I wanted an idea on yours.
Their definition starts by explaining asspull, then they conclude that "an asspull used to resolve an unwinnable situation for the protagonists is a Deus ex-machina", so it's just a little broader than a Deus ex-machina, as I've stated in my initial answer, but it's really close in concept, since everything that's written in the first paragraph of TvTropes can be said for a Deus ex-machina too.
I quoted them because I had already explained what I think is an asspull here after I made the comparison with an Deus ex-machina: "It's just something that you take out of your ass when you're in a pinch, because there's no way to resolve that problem with the possibilities given by the conditions that you had established in the story. Even if the author is not in a corner, something can be an asspull if there's no plausible explanation for the solution the author chose for the problem."
I don't know how to expand more on the concept than that. It's hard to remember an example right now, but I tend to be very tolerant towards authors, so my verdict is very casuistic. Maybe when Light got the Death Note back and recovered his memories was an asspull in that context. I don't remember the details anymore, but I believe that plot of him losing his memories went unexplained until he finally got the book back, then we saw a flashback of how everything went according to his keikaku (*keikaku means plan). The main problem here is that Death Note is engaging because the mind games play inside the rules established in the plot, so it's ackward when a new rule comes out of nowhere to make a character win the conflict. So if you want good mind games, read the manga Liar Game.
It was explicitly said there are CP1 to CP8 known to the public and CP9 that is secret which means it's actually an incoherence more than an asspull(I thought they were secret when I said asspull).
The reason I called it an asspull was that there really was no reason to assume another CP hanging around. Saying there was one we never knew came from nowhere. A simple fix would have been to make make it CP1(although I think all the CPs were on the train so might not work) or naming them something else. Sometimes wanting to link evrything is not such a good idea.
It's not a big deal but it's not some clever introduction.
I think that somewhere in the CP9 saga someone said that there were a total of 9 Cipher Pol, but I don't remember the chapter to check the phrasing of that affirmation and stuff (or if it even happened). Regardless, I believe the main point of distinction here is that CP0 operates differently from the other CPs, especially because they serve the Tenryuubito directly while the others probably follow the orders of the Gorousei.
Is it enough of a distinction to compensate the fact it wans't mentioned before along the other CPs? Well, it's up to anyone to decide. In my opinion, Oda hadn't planned CP0 before, so that's why its reveal was not so smooth. However, he needed a CP0 now since the worldbuilding was claiming for such an institution, meanwhile CP9 was too outdated to be a threat we could respect in the developments of the New World.
It was weird, but I wouldn't call an asspull or straight up incoherent. Anyway, for a long running series, that's the kind of stuff that's introduced too late into the story (something that's bound to happen) that you have to think if the pros overcome the cons. Since the only problem here is the technicality that CP0 wasn't mentioned before (something you could retcon without any disturbance to previous storylines), I think they bring more positives than they hurt the manga.
I don't know how to expand more on the concept than that. It's hard to remember an example right now, but I tend to be very tolerant towards authors, so my verdict is very casuistic. Maybe when Light got the Death Note back and recovered his memories was an asspull in that context. I don't remember the details anymore, but I believe that plot of him losing his memories went unexplained until he finally got the book back, then we saw a flashback of how everything went according to his keikaku (*keikaku means plan). The main problem here is that Death Note is engaging because the mind games play inside the rules established in the plot, so it's awkward when a new rule comes out of nowhere to make a character win the conflict. So if you want good mind games, read the manga Liar Game.
I prefer the first half of death Note to Liar game. The ending was incredibebly underwhelming considering the buid-up and so was the last game. Also the rival lasted too long he was an interesting foe at first but
! since he continuously lost he stopped being threat after the second time and became boring. At least the cultist introduced a different way to challenge our protagonist when he pretty much a copy of the smart hero.
But I did like the development of the girl.
If you read and liked both you should read Gamble Fish.
The rule about losing memory was in the first chapter if it's that rule you are talking about.While I think you are far to lenient I'm glad to know there are some things you don't let pass.
I think that somewhere in the CP9 saga someone said that there were a total of 9 Cipher Pol, but I don't remember the chapter to check the phrasing of that affirmation and stuff (or if it even happened). Regardless, I believe the main point of distinction here is that CP0 operates differently from the other CPs, especially because they serve the Tenryuubito directly while the others probably follow the orders of the Gorousei.
Is it enough of a distinction to compensate the fact it wans't mentioned before along the other CPs? Well, it's up to anyone to decide. In my opinion, Oda hadn't planned CP0 before, so that's why its reveal was not so smooth. However, he needed a CP0 now since the worldbuilding was claiming for such an institution, meanwhile CP9 was too outdated to be a threat we could respect in the developments of the New World.
It was weird, but I wouldn't call an asspull or straight up incoherent. Anyway, for a long running series, that's the kind of stuff that's introduced too late into the story (something that's bound to happen) that you have to think if the pros overcome the cons. Since the only problem here is the technicality that CP0 wasn't mentioned before (something you could retcon without any disturbance to previous storylines), I think they bring more positives than they hurt the manga.
Like I said what's an asspull vary from people to people so as long as you acknowledge their existence as weird and unplanned I'm fine.
so you basically just say that the people here also looked as shit as him ? lmao
I hope you say that to a wrong guy's face and the thoroughly makes your prettier. All your posts on the thread got nothing to do with the chapter. Sad little thing. You maybe in the wrong forum.
Nice catch! completely missed Abo Salam. Reverie is getting better and better by each chapter.
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I still say Fugitora doesn't use a Devil Fruit ability but a Sword Technique similar to Kinemons Firefox Style. But let's see if Oda will specify it at any point. Unless he has in an SBS and I missed it.
I have always hoped that the sword ate the fruit. But up until now inanimate objects only ate zone fruits so there is that..