Why are the bad guys so much more competent than the good guys?
The bad guys hate the country and unite around that.
The good guys hate each other for being insufficiently Pure.
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I think it's because the good guys aren't fighting for themselves, per se. People are inherently selfish, it seems.
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@Cyan:
The good guys hate each other for being insufficiently Pure.
And not being mean enough while paradoxically being too harsh, and because Julian Assange told them to.
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Why are the bad guys so much more competent than the good guys?
Because its much easier to win when you cheat and when you don't care about the results as long as the other guys lose.
Hold congress indefinitely? Not a problem as long as democrats aren't passing anything. Refuse to appoint a Surpreme Court nominee? Doesn't matter since it would be a democrat anyway. Repeal healthcare and make millions suffer? Not a problem as long as it was originally a democrat bill you're killing. Ally with Russia to do whatever the hell just happened? Not a problem as long as it gets you the power. Keep saying how terrible and inept Trump is and threaten to show your party is better than that? Eh, not after he won.
It's not about how much more competent they are, it what they're willing to do that makes them more effective. The same things we hate on them and call them out for as awful and petty are exactly the tactics that let them win.
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It's not about how much more competent they are, it what they're willing to do that makes them more effective. The same things we hate on them and call them out for as awful and petty are exactly the tactics that let them win.
But this too is competence. Republicans knew what was up in 2008 and changed the game accordingly and democrats never found the right response to it. Even as a minority, republicans always were on the offensive. In the past 8 years democrats have gone from an enormous majority to complete decimation on every level. Democrats should be obstructionist as hell the next 4 years because it's a winning formula and THEY WON THE POPULAR VOTE. That's as good a reason as any to say the GOP isn't speaking for the majority and thus doesn't have a mandate to pass any sweeping legislation. Instead senate majority leader Schumer is already talking up how good Trump's infrastructure plans are (which are actually terrible because it's just more trickle down nonsense) and that they're going to compromise. Democrats should be talking every day about the insane coup in North Carolina, but they're not. They should've spent EVERY DAY talking up that runoff election in LA but they didn't and let Crazy Jill fund her 2020 "same shit both sides" campaign through a worthless recount (But they were never going to win that election, you say? Better not look at the 2018 map then). When Paul Ryan starts pushing through his shitty agenda, dems should turn it into a massive national outrage like what happened when republicans rode the Tea Party wave. But nope, there's already dems saying they're completely fine with abolising Obamacare. They learned nothing from rolling over during the Bush years in the name of "unity". And that is incompetence.
"When they go low, we go high" is a nice slogan, but it's the stupidest possible strategy when you're dealing with a lunatic party that gave up on competent governing 22 years ago and doesn't care about consequences for the entire world. It's about time democrats started playing dirty too. The base doesn't care anyway. In fact, the fringe left that stayed home in November would probably approve of it. And centrists/moderates already think "same shit both sides" already.
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Why are the bad guys so much more competent than the good guys?
Using the idea that the Republicans are the bad guys and the democrats the good guys(I don't necessarily agree but for the sake of the discussion I will abide by it).
1- "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing" A.K.A. Democrats don't bother voting for the good side when thy aren't given their perfect choice and much incentive while republicans always go to vote and are willing to compromise to get the closest thing to their ideal choice.
2-If you saw any movie, tv show or cartoon you should know that the good guys are limited by the fact that they are good guys. They need the love of the people, they go not by the rule but also play in good faith and fair play. Having the moral high ground makes it more difficult to bend the rules without being seen by a hypocrite. The bad guys either believes he is a good guy that must do all it takes to achieve his goals or recognize himself as an asshole and therefore has no reason to abide by those rule.
Republicans will look for any loophole and use it without hesitation, they will twist every law and rules and lies as long as they give them the win. Democrats can't because they are the party of idealist and any stain put on their shiny armor cost them dearly.
3-Democrats wants to participate in the political game, republicans wants to win the political game.
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Yes, they should fight harder to block the bad stuff. And they should win more fights. It's silly that the Supreme Court spot came and went, and they're presumably going to let that go through without a fight.
But we constantly call the GOP out on being corrupt and awful and obstructionist and insult them over that and say the only way they win is by cheating and gerrymandering. It's a bit hypocritical to cheer for the other side to do the same.
While the deck is stacked and rigged, yes, they need to do SOMETHING and maybe they do need to also resort to being children. But I'd like to believe that the high road is ultimately the better one and the right side of history.
But also, fucking HALF THE POPULATION DOESN'T VOTE. There should be complete overwhelming landslides towards progress every time. But half the population is apatethic and just hands control over to that 23%.
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Democrats should be obstructionist as hell the next 4 years because it's a winning formula and THEY WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
Depends on what you mean by obstructionist. GOP levels of obstructionism? I already said that's a bad idea before. It still is now. Nothing has changed. I agree with Chuck Schumer's words in regards to this situation
“We’re not going to oppose something simply because it has the name Trump on it, but we will certainly not sacrifice our principles just to get something done."
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But we constantly call the GOP out on being corrupt and awful and obstructionist and insult them over that and say the only way they win is by cheating and gerrymandering. It's a bit hypocritical to cheer for the other side to do the same.
Yeah except one is fucking over people horribly as a consequence of this wheeling and dealing and when the shit boils over play it off all cool like nothing's wrong or blames people who aren't at fault…...and then get rewarded with more time to do more of the same.
No one should tell anyone they should wish for Trump's success for example while conveniently forgetting Republicans wished for nothing but Obama's failure to the point you got a percentage of people who think the last seven years were either patently awful or just as bad as Bush...logic be damned.
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There's obviously a double standard. And yes, the democrats need to fight.
But in theory they should be able to fight clean and still win, without resorting to the complete bottom dwelling methods. As long as they fight the right battles and… actually fight rather than give up before the battle has even started, like they're doing. Like was just said above
“We’re not going to oppose something simply because it has the name Trump on it, but we will certainly not sacrifice our principles just to get something done."
They don't have to fight dirty to fight. But they do need to fight, and that's where they've been failing. They're too afraid for their long term careers to stick their necks out for anything.
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Nah.
NC is the perfect example. Republicans technically didn't do anything illegal (although I think Cooper might try to argue that they did in court?), but they threw all sense of norms, civility, and decency to the wind to enact their coup. When one side doesn't play by the established rules, the other side can't possibly win. Dems want their rent on Boardwalk for winning a governorship, but Republicans just flip the whole board and say they won because they can physically do that. Then the Dems slowly start picking up the pieces and Monopoly money and say, "Well I sure do hope our good friends the Republicans will let the game play out properly next time, in 2018… 2020? 2024? Well, golly gee, whenever they decide to let us win, I guess!"So there's absolutely an argument for fighting "dirty"- as dirty as the enemy does- when it's for good, progressive causes, or to put a stop to abominable, regressive causes. Ends absolutely justify the means if the means involve sticking a thumb in the right wing's eye. To suggest that stooping to their level on tactics somehow turns us into the devil is an insidious whisper of the eternal "same thing both sides" plague. which is so infuriatingly egregiously wrong when you take the briefest glance at what each side actually wants to achieve. I'll get no satisfaction from people saying, "Well at least the left stood by values of fair play, thank goodness" when people are in camps and the world is burning.
As for these imagined "good" policy ideas of Trump's- let me know when there is one. Let me know when he ever brings up the "prevent congresspeople from becoming lobbyists for X numbers of years" thing again, instead of going whole hog on anti-gay, anti-poor, anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-women, anti-environment, anti-Jewish (!?), pro-military garbage. Even his infrastructure plan or whatever is just trickle-down bullshit that would make FDR and Eisenhower facepalm. To look at what he's said and done and the Legion of Doom he's hired so far and think "Hmm well something good might still happen, here" seems willfully blind. If the good does come, let it. You know for a fact Dems wouldn't obstruct anything good, because they're not gearing up _to obstruct anything at all_.
Seriously- why should they get a SCOTUS justice when they prevented us from getting one? We don't owe them shit.
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Apparently Bolton's mustache played a role in him not getting Secretary of State.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Apparently Bolton's mustache played a role in him not getting Secretary of State.
To be fair, it really is a bad mustache.
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Yes, there's an argument for fighting dirty but it's an unnecessary argument. Both sides already do it to varying degrees. The difference is between getting your hands dirty and stooping as low as your opponent. Democrats are not adverse to the former and just might dive head first into the latter to what consequences don't know. But no one here actually believes Democrats are this angelic force of heaven sent light that doesn't play dirty politics. That's bullshit and it's not the issue at hand. The issue is saying, 'You know, Democrats should be just as bad as Republicans when it comes to politics'. Why is that an issue? Because when it comes to politics Republicans put party and self interest above everyone else. Period. It's petty, it's shortsighted, it's harmful to our country, it's harmful to its citizens, and despite them winning the presidency it's also harmful to their own party. An ugly abominable mess. So why should we want the Democratic party to adapt this particular likeness of the Republican party? Because it'll serve us? No. It'll serve the Democratic Party. But doesn't the Democratic Party serve us? Sure, much better than the Republican party serves the American people but how would they be serving us by turning the government into another 4 (possibly 8) years of gridlock, crisis, and political shitfest? Where Democrats even block bills they historically agree with and which could be good for the country? How exactly does that serve us? How exactly? Yes, block the crap but also block the legislation that can be beneficial to the American people too???
We know why Republicans did that. Now we want the Democratic party to harm the American people, to frustrate and anger them by being pure obstructionists, to further undermine our democracy and betray their values, and to make our country weaker all for party interests. Now, I know what some might be thinking. 'It'll all be in the complete interest of the American people. In the long run, just like Republicans, Democrats will be voted in, in sweeping numbers and elected to the highest office. Once Democrats are in charge again they'll make everything right and make up for the years of fucking over the American people. You'll see! And the people will see it was all done for their own good!'
Meanwhile, millions and millions of people are suffering trapped in the middle of this petty game of 'Anything You Can Do I Can Do Worse' and who's looking out for them? Not the Republican Party. Not the Democratic Party. They're too busy spray painting each other's walls with pictures of dicks and throwing fecal matter across the political aisle. Too busy making the other side look bad to actually do their jobs. And assuming Democrats take this strategy and are in fact elected into office. Great, by this time our government is even worse off than it is now and people have even less faith in our system and our country. Now, guess what the Republicans are going to do? Guess who'll be screwed over once again? All of us. Is this sounding good yet?
And then there's this vitriolic hate for people labeling both sides 'Same shit, different name'. Yet, they want to add fuel to that fire by hoping both sides behave in the same manner. I can understand the hate for the inaccurate view of the 'sameness' of our political parties but what I don't understand is why people who hate that view also want to encourage that view.
I don't have the solution to what Democrats should do but it's my belief that they should at least not make things worse on a gamble that might or might not pay off in the long run. Even if one believes that absolutely nothing that passes in a Trump administration will be good thus everything should be blocked that doesn't excuse the ease at which people are willing to throw away their values and standards on a presidency that hasn't even began.
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Agree to disagree. And holy cow do I disagree.
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Apparently Bolton's mustache played a role in him not getting Secretary of State.
I wonder how Wally Walrus reacted to that.
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And then there's this vitriolic hate for people labeling both sides 'Same shit, different name'.
Probably because that's the biggest problem in the world right now to the extent that Russia has damn near weaponized it.
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How exactly does that serve us? How exactly? Yes, block the crap but also block the legislation that can be beneficial to the American people too???
What legislation that Trump and the Republicans are proposing actually look good (and not solely on the surface)?
Because a good majority of it looks awful and what few things actually look good are things Trump will either waffle on or be blocked by Republicans even if he pushes for it.
We know why Republicans did that. Now we want the Democratic party to harm the American people, to frustrate and anger them by being pure obstructionists,
No one's talking about opposing a healthcare plan that doesn't legitimately suck, opposing a version of immigration reform that's not stupid, opposing the appointment of a moderate or liberal justice to the Supreme Court, opposing plans to improve things like Social Security in a way that won't cause the program to collapse in on itself etc.
Just opposing the things that look like shit, sound like shit, and would likely be shit if it ever came to pass.
Not the Republican Party. Not the Democratic Party. They're too busy spray painting each other's walls with pictures of dicks and throwing fecal matter across the political aisle. Too busy making the other side look bad to actually do their jobs.
Yeah Democrats haven't been doing any of this since 2009 that's pretty much all on the hands of Republicans.
And assuming Democrats take this strategy and are in fact elected into office. Great, by this time our government is even worse off than it is now and people have even less faith in our system and our country.
If Trump won the election do in part to this mentality I don't see how it can get any worse.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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I'd love it if Democrats starting spraying Republicans' desks with dicks, god knows they deserve it.
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Democrats need crazy scumbags who get good legislation passed like LBJ but True Progressives would never vote for them.
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Tactic I want to see Democrats bring back:
LBJ: Call him a pigfucker in an ad.
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He can't even decide on a catch phrase. http://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/506611986/trump-and-gingrich-disagree-on-that-whole-swamp-draining-thing?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2050
And he's trying to ramp up nukes? http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/this-is-insane-trump-ignites-online-panic-with-madman-tweets-about-ramping-up-nuclear-weapons/
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What legislation that Trump and the Republicans are proposing actually look good (and not solely on the surface)?
Because a good majority of it looks awful and what few things actually look good are things Trump will either waffle on or be blocked by Republicans even if he pushes for it.
The 1 trillion dollar infrastructure plan is a good example of something that needs Democratic input before it's possibly passed. As it stands now in its very skeletal form it's basically a huge tax break for major contractors and private investors to encourage them to invest in more infrastructure projects across the nation. But the types of infrastructure projects these private companies are most likely to invest in are projects that pay for themselves and not infrastructure needs like rail, fixing damaged pipes, fixing roads, and so on. Projects that are likely to lose money but benefit people nonetheless.
Private companies working on infrastructure is not a bad thing though. They can actually be quite successful. It's just not the best thing. The federal government investing money directly into infrastructure projects would bring the best results and that's something the Democrats should fight for if Trump wants their cooperation in his infrastructure plan. They can allow Trump to get his billions of dollars in incentivizing private companies while in exchange getting the federal government billions of dollars in direct funding for infrastructure. Again, private companies working on infrastructure isn't an automatic bad thing so this way infrastructure can be worked on from 2 different fronts which can be beneficial.
Or instead Democrats can just sit by and let nothing happen and get nothing done. Or by some miracle the Republicans rally around this bill and force it through without Democratic cooperation or changes and Republicans get everything they want in their infrastructure bill. A bill which could have been made tons better by Democratic interference.
No one's talking about opposing a healthcare plan that doesn't legitimately suck, opposing a version of immigration reform that's not stupid, opposing the appointment of a moderate or liberal justice to the Supreme Court, opposing plans to improve things like Social Security in a way that won't cause the program to collapse in on itself etc.
Just opposing the things that look like shit, sound like shit, and would likely be shit if it ever came to pass.
Good, that's fine. That's what I'm all for. I'm all for opposing all the shitty proposals and crazy ideas that should never see the light of day.
What I don't like is people are saying we should just block anything and everything that Trump tries to pass. Hmmm? If it so happens that in fact every single thing Trump tries to pass for the next 4 years (possibly 8!) is undeniably bad then so be it, but I don't think it's likely. We should also keep in mind that even Obama got cooperation on a few things from Republicans.
Yeah Democrats haven't been doing any of this since 2009 that's pretty much all on the hands of Republicans.
I'm not talking about what they have been doing. I'm talking about them possibly doing it and stooping down to Republican's level.
If Trump won the election do in part to this mentality I don't see how it can get any worse.
Things can always get worse. Especially when all sides purposefully act the worst they can act.
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Guess it's time for the Democrats to gaze into that abyss huh
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What I don't like is people are saying we should just block anything and everything that Trump tries to pass. Hmmm? If it so happens that in fact every single thing Trump tries to pass for the next 4 years (possibly 8!) is undeniably bad then so be it, but I don't think it's likely. We should also keep in mind that even Obama got cooperation on a few things from Republicans.
Like the Sequestration cuts that they agreed to then turned around and blamed Obama for?
I'm not talking about what they have been doing. I'm talking about them possibly doing it and stooping down to Republican's level.
Except they won't do virtually any of that stuff though.
Things can always get worse. Especially when all sides purposefully act the worst they can act.
All sides purposely acting the worst they possibly can applies to establishment and tea party republicans.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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On one hand, Republicans are abetting fascists and are fine with the FBI and Putin trying to influence an election.
On the other hand, Democrats could possibly call Republicans out on this and the assorted other monstrous bullshit they've done over the past 30+ years, but that would be rude
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Democrats constantly expect a referee to step in to make sure things are played fair.
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Democrats say no to the latest Club Baby Seals Bill
Media reaction: OBSTRUCTIONIST DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO WORK WITH REPUBLICANS
Republicans propose bill gutting the Civil Rights Act even more
Media reaction: IS SEGREGATION A BAD THING? VIEWS DIFFER
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Democrats constantly expect a referee to step in to make sure things are played fair.
I agree, of course, but in the North Carolina thing, for example, what could Dems could have done short of summoning a mob of angry villagers? I mean, I know what I want them to do going forward (and they won't), but while it was happening??
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Like the Sequestration cuts that they agreed to then turned around and blamed Obama for?
Yes. Also education reform, entitlement reform, transportation, and so forth.
That's the kind of bipartisan work we should be encouraging.
Except they won't do virtually any of that stuff though. All sides purposely acting the worst they possibly can applies to establishment and tea party republicans.
I think you're confusing what has happened for the past 8 years with what I don't want to happen for another possible 8 years. Yes, the Republicans have acted like big petulant babies for 8 years under Obama. We all know this. If Democrats won't do it in return to get even then great. All is good, but if they do decide to roll around in the mud and eat their own shit with the Republicans then that's an issue.
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That's the kind of bipartisan work we should be encouraging.
That bipartisan cooperation (or attempts at) is something that as noted lead to some ungrateful behavior though. What's the point of cooperating with a group of people who'll are likely to screw you and your base to the wall just because then throw you under the bus.
I think you're confusing what has happened for the past 8 years with what I don't want to happen for another possible 8 years. Yes, the Republicans have acted like big petulant babies for 8 years under Obama. We all know this. If Democrats won't do it in return to get even then great. All is good, but if they do decide to roll around in the mud and eat their own shit with the Republicans then that's an issue.
And yet this goes back to my earlier point no wants democrats to oppose everything Trump and the Republicans want to do solely on retarded ideological beliefs or petty spite and they're not likely to do so anyway, because that's not who or what they are.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Like with the climate change researchers he's after the next group.
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Ok so let me get this straight Trump wants us to increase our nuclear arsenal until such time the world comes to it's senses regarding nuclear weapons….....How does this make sense/work?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Ok so let me get this straight Trump wants us to increase our nuclear arsenal until such time the world comes to it's senses regarding nuclear weapons….....How does this make sense/work?
Let's brinkmanship this bitch.
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That bipartisan cooperation (or attempts at) is something that as noted lead to some ungrateful behavior though. What's the point of cooperating with a group of people who'll are likely to screw you and your base to the wall just because then throw you under the bus.
To get whatever good that can be done, done. It's as hard but as simple as that. Even if it hurts. If you agree that Democrats won't play the Republican game to their level then you agree that there will in fact be cooperation then on issues both parties can agree on.
And yet this goes back to my earlier point no wants democrats to oppose everything Trump and the Republicans want to do solely on retarded ideological beliefs or petty spite…
Of course there are. There's a big debate going on across the country right now on whether or not Democrats should play the role of obstructionists the same way the GOP did Obama. Entire pieces are being written about Democrats who said they are willing to work with Trump on common issues but oppose him vehemently on everything else. Many people agree. Many people disagree.
… hey're not likely to do so anyway, because that's not who or what they are.
Let's hope so.
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To get whatever good that can be done, done. It's as hard but as simple as that. Even if it hurts. If you agree that Democrats won't play the Republican game to their level then you agree that there will in fact be cooperation then on issues both parties can agree on.
Yeah all they need is something worth agreeing on that's not stupid or won't have potentially disastrous consequences. Too bad most of what Trump and Republicans are proposing is exactly one of the two.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Ya know, and I might be rationalizing, but there's no way that Donald's tweets and public interviews will be indicative of his presidency. Between other republicans and his own people (Mrs. Conway for one) stating different, more rational alternatives to his statements I assume that everyone around Trumps knows he's an idiot, and won't let him act without counsel.
At least, that's the only way I can imagine that nuke thing making sense. There's a
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I can only hope that Trump and Reps can't actually get anything done because they have to spend time playing damage control 5 times a week from his tactless and moronic tweets.
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@CCC:
I agree, of course, but in the North Carolina thing, for example, what could Dems could have done short of summoning a mob of angry villagers? I mean, I know what I want them to do going forward (and they won't), but while it was happening??
Genuine question, because it's so fucking frustrating >:(They should be shrill and mean and agressive and traitorous and every other thing Republicans accuse them of when Democrats don't fall in line (and the pearl clutching of the press that comes along with it). Every day. And try to bring up the coup as much as possible. So by the next midterms everybody remembers what sore losers the GOP are.
Just stop being George McFly.
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Ya know, and I might be rationalizing, but there's no way that Donald's tweets and public interviews will be indicative of his presidency. Between other republicans and his own people (Mrs. Conway for one) stating different, more rational alternatives to his statements I assume that everyone around Trumps knows he's an idiot, and won't let him act without counsel.
Having off the record meetings and making people sign NDA only goes so far.
You know it's bad when those guys don't immediately support a Republican.
It's not too bad once you reconcile the fact that Trump's not actually a Republican.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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@Cyan:
On one hand, Republicans are abetting fascists and are fine with the FBI and Putin trying to influence an election.
On the other hand, Democrats could possibly call Republicans out on this and the assorted other monstrous bullshit they've done over the past 30+ years, but that would be rude
That's not the argument.
The democrats should be rude.
They should fight.
Get stalemates at least.
Do what they can to block all his current cabinet picks since they're all awful and unfit for the jobs (just like Trump himself!)
They should call for impeachment almost immediately.
They should do things needed to win.Just not the same things the republicans are doing that we all agree are awful.
Because yes, if the democrats were rigging things with the FBI, allying with Russia, inventing scandals, and overthrowing governorships and gerrymandering things like hell, blocking SC nominees for a year, YES, that would absolutely be foul. It might be what's needed at this point to level the field, but that's pretty awful.
The powers they have should be plenty to do what needs to get done and to block things. …If they'd actually stand behind their convictions and make a stand. There were a thousand things they could have been doing this last month that... they haven't moved on or protested about at all. They're not even using what they have. They should be on tv every day pointing out every single stupid thing being done. They should fillibuster the hell out of things. They should arbitrarily pick some of the exact same battles and block a supreme court justice for the next four years maybe, especially if another one dies, since that one is on principle.
The problem isn't that the Dems aren't ALSO doing illegal shit. (Or at least not JUST that.) Its that they fold like a house of cards at any opposition and don't push anywhere near hard enough.
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Having off the record meetings and making people sign NDA only goes so far.
It's not too bad once you reconcile the fact that Trump's not actually a Republican.
Ha…yeah that's one silver lining that I'm still grasping at. I'm assuming you're talking about how the guy has switched parties a bunch, and is clearly not loyal to their beliefs? I'm hoping that backfires on them.
In fact, I'm hoping a lot of things go right during this thing. Always look on the bright side of life, eh?
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I really want this to be true. But some of the ads make me think maybe not?
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2016 could not have ended more appropriately than cable hack Joe Scarborough announcing in his pajamas that Trump wants a nuclear arms race, because "we'll outlast them all."
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Geezus Trump is seriously saying "lets build more nuclear weapons and have an arms race because we'll win"? SERIOUSLY?
We knew that he didn't understand why we don't use the nukes, but geezus.
@Dan:
Nuclear weapons are not a game. They are not a toy for the petulant and ill-informed to boast about on off-handed tweets. They are not gaudy hotels and apartment buildings to line up to make yourself feel stronger and more important. They are a direct shortcut to the very end of life on earth as we know it.
I suspect Donald Trump knows very little about our nuclear posture, its history, and the delicate balance our presidents have been walking since the early days of the Cold War. This was a man who in a primary debate didn't seem to understand our nuclear triad. And that's "Nukes for Dummies" level. Now recent tweets and comments suggest he's thinking of a new arms race. When Mr. Trump suggested that countries like Japan and Saudi Arabia develop nuclear weapons during the campaign his apologists told those of us who were worried, he didn't really mean it. Where are those voices now? Because whether he means what he says, or even knows what he means, really doesn't matter at this point. Just by Trump saying it, the world order that we have known is at risk.
He's not even president yet and he's plunging us into a potential crisis that no one really thought would come. Surely there are many Republican Senators and foreign policy experts who understand the dangers of his rhetoric. Because the stakes with nuclear weapons are so high, that even slight changes in their status are cause for great concern. What Donald Trump is suggesting is at a level that would have us return to one of the most dangerous chapters in history.
Also.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/putin-on-trump-us-democrats-232945
@Putin:
Nobody believed he would win except for us.
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And the list of worthy reasons for Day 1 impeachment keeps growing. I really don't think he wants this job!
I really want this to be true. But some of the ads make me think maybe not?
If you read between the lines, this pretty much amounts to "fake news" on the left, especially with a headline like that.
Some people want it to happen, and Robert Reich wrote a facebook post about the possibility, but nothing's actually planned yet.Still, a far cry better than the "Hillary cooks babies in her witch's cauldron for Satan" variety of fake news…I guess :P
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http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html
According to political scientists who have looked it up, the state of North Carolina no longer counts as a democracy thanks to the GO
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http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html
North Carolina no longer a democracy.
EDIT: Oh, I was beaten to this one.
In the just released EIP report, North Carolina’s overall electoral integrity score of 58/100 for the 2016 election places us alongside authoritarian states and pseudo-democracies like Cuba, Indonesia and Sierra Leone. If it were a nation state, North Carolina would rank right in the middle of the global league table – a deeply flawed, partly free democracy that is only slightly ahead of the failed democracies that constitute much of the developing world.
Indeed, North Carolina does so poorly on the measures of legal framework and voter registration, that on those indicators we rank alongside Iran and Venezuela. When it comes to the integrity of the voting district boundaries no country has ever received as low a score as the 7/100 North Carolina received. North Carolina is not only the worst state in the USA for unfair districting but the worst entity in the world ever analyzed by the Electoral Integrity Project.
USA, we're number 1?
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http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html
North Carolina no longer a democracy.
Yeah, but that's like, Obama's fault.
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Egypt postponed the UN vote on getting rid of Israeli settlements because Sisi got a call from Trump:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/egypt-trump-sisi-resolution-israel-settlements-161223064418355.htmlSerious question: Is this normal? For the dude not even in power yet to make game-changing phone calls? Was Obama doing shit like this in December 2008? Genuinely curious.
Or is this just the president of Egypt buying into the caveman/circus barker cult of personality?Also obnoxious: the article referring to Trump as one of the "presidents," instead of PEOTUS…
