@CCC:
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
I'm worried I may land in jail. I haven't been accosted yet. But but I don't know how I'd handle it.
Indecision 2016 - In Soviet Russia, we elect american president!
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I'm worried I may land in jail. I haven't been accosted yet. But but I don't know how I'd handle it.
Seriously, be careful out there.
It's terrible that anyone should have to worry about being a potential hate crime victim in 2016, but here we are.
At least California's official statement was cool and stuff:
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He has no popular mandate.
Bill Clinton did not have a popular mandate. Woodrow Wilson did not have a popular mandate. Hillary does not have a popular mandate either. A 0.2% difference is minuscule.
Rural America has much more power than California, one of the world's biggest economies. California keeps those states afloat and pays the price every time. The electoral college (and the senate) is a sham.
Yes, and tyranny of the majority is amazing.
I wonder what this board would say if there was rioting in the streets and Texas (say) talked about seceding from the Union in the event of a Clinton win. Oh wait, just go a few pages back, from when Hillary was winning in a landslide and people were contemplating Trump supporters rioting because he would not accept her blowout win.
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Bill Clinton did not have a popular mandate. Woodrow Wilson did not have a popular mandate. Hillary does not have a popular mandate either. A 0.2% difference is minuscule.
They won the vast plurality of votes, not something Bush and Trump are able to say.
Yes, and tyranny of the majority is amazing.
Bitch, you'll see the tyranny of the minority these coming 4 years.
I wonder what this board would say if there was rioting in the streets and Texas (say) talked about seceding from the Union in the event of a Clinton win. Oh wait, just go a few pages back, from when Hillary was winning in a landslide and people were contemplating Trump supporters rioting because he would not accept her blowout win.
False equivalency. People are rioting (but not actually rioting, because peacefully protesting in the streets is not rioting) for good reason, because there's already been many reported hatecrimes.
And Texas says it's seceding every week.
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@CCC:
Need 5 extra minutes of misery in your day? Peruse this delightful collection:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656Ugh, my faith in humanity has lowered a bit.
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We'd say that the hate crime stuff's happening anyway (see: hundreds of accounts literally from day 1), and that's what we get when they won.
Anticipated hate crime riots =/= protests against promised bigotry
Oakland protesters might have broken windows (poor things!), but the false equivalency is insensitive to actual human beings who have to wake up in fear, now.EDIT: Goddamnit Kaioninja
For the record, I agree that California seceding would be monumentally stupid and selfish because it would throw the rest of the country under the bus. A beautiful liberal haven is nice in theory, but untenable in reality. Not that way, anyway.
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It does sound pretty smug to complain that other parts of the country get as much as a say as California does.
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Well, this election sure was something.
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A percentage of people couldn't accept Obama because his skin tone, progressive agenda, or his denomination as a Christian (accusing him of being a Muslim despite Republicans raising a stink about his Christian pastor).
And yet we didn't have any Civil War so no we don't have to accept Trump especially if his agenda winds up hurting people. Grit our teeth and bear his tenure for 4 years but not accept him.
Do you really want to cmpare Trump and Obama??? Obama was for right-win, what Trump is for left-wing now??? You better chose Dennis Rodman for this one…
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It does sound pretty smug to complain that other parts of the country get as much as a say as California does.
A state that has 500k inhabitants should not have equal representation in something with such huge influence as the Senate as a state with 40 million inhabitants.
Maybe if they fused together Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota and South Dakota.
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It is kinda hard to accept the results when the majority is against it, I think?
Also,
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To be fair, the whole state representation issue was addressed with the formation of the House and the Senate back when the Constitution was written. Would you say the balance of power between the two is flawed?
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About the mandate thing and the electoral college,it wasn't an issue for any of the 5 candidates.None of them ever brought it up.It's a legitimate question but not for this election where all the candidates knew very well that it could be a possible outcome and by running they accepted it.
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It won't last long, not since Nov 28 is the trial for fraud.
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It won't last long, not since Nov 28 is the trial for fraud.
It's been one day and there's literally already people who are unironically saying that it all turned out to be fine, citing the Dow Jones closing on a record high.
But Americans who are not white have this to look forward to come January 20: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-10/trump-shows-every-sign-of-carrying-out-sweeping-immigration-crackdown
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California isn't going to secede any more than people are going to move en masse to Canada. It's just a knee jerk reaction to an awful candidate.
The EC is nonsense and should be eliminated, but I don't see that happening without a clear Democratic majority. Both parties can gain from potentially motivating their respective bases in overwhelming liberal or conservative states like California, Texas, etc. but Republicans stand to face the tougher task due to the urban/rural divide. It's a lot easier to visit a few urban centers to fundraise and rally than a ton of small rural towns.
As for why California in particular has reacted strongly against Trump, I'd say it's because of two additional reasons: racial diversity and the colleges. It's one of the most cosmopolitan states and is now estimated to be minority-majority, which also bleeds into the white population too; contact with people of other ethnicities and backgrounds is correlated with more liberal ideologies. As for the colleges, it has by far the largest number of colleges in the nation as well as some of the most well-behaved ones. Young people lean liberal, so you have millions of liberal kids in a liberal state losing for the first time and experiencing the problems of our electoral system. Plus, California is about as far removed culturally from the Rust Belt as you can get outside of a few pockets, so people feel like the election was stolen from them by distant rednecks.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Someone should finally update the first post with the final results.
And big red stamp over Hillary's picture that says "DRUMF'D". It's all in good fun and it's not like it's going to change anything in the real world.
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It's been one day and there's literally already people who are unironically saying that it all turned out to be fine, citing the Dow Jones closing on a record high.
But Americans who are not white have this to look forward to come January 20: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-10/trump-shows-every-sign-of-carrying-out-sweeping-immigration-crackdown
That article brings two things to my mind=
1- This part caught my attentionA wall on the Southern border is estimated to cost possibly $25 billion.
Exactly where is that money going to come from? Because despite what Trump's been saying, I doubt Mexico will pay for it. Is America going to go into some financial crisis because of him building a wall??
2- I heard of Trump claiming Muslims will have to register.
What's next? Concentr… excuse me ... 'Detainment Camps' like how American citizens of Japanese descent was detained during WWII? Ya know, detained in a concentrated area...wait the Japanese Americans were not registered were they? They did not have to wear special badges, right? That was a different group. True, it "wasn't in America" ..but it started out the same,= with registration and special badges. From there it wasn't far to jump to the camps.Well one good thing, Trump didn't make any promises of 'Final Solution' to the immigration or Muslims...did he?
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I was in state of denial yesterday (and still am today), Has anyone posted anything about this article at Change.org?
Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19
On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!
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A state that has 500k inhabitants should not have equal representation in something with such huge influence as the Senate as a state with 40 million inhabitants.
Maybe if they fused together Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota and South Dakota.
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Yes, they should. Our country's elections should not be decided by California, Texas and New York. Combined, they make up nearly 1/3rd of our population and none of them are swing states. In case you didn't know, there are another 47 states in this union whose voices deserve to be heard loud and clear as well and who all have different perspectives and face different issues. California and New York are overwhemlingly Hillary, but a majority of the rest of America wants Donald.
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so you're saying that the vote should be majority?
as in, the popular vote????
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Exactly where is that money going to come from? Because despite what Trump's been saying, I doubt Mexico will pay for it. Is America going to go into some financial crisis because of him building a wall??
He can tax the money that Mexicans living in America send home to their families ($25 billion a year, 2.3% of Mexico's GNP).
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There's still 4.36 million ballots to count in California. Hillary could win the popular vote by 3 million.
but but wyoming!
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I think that you also need to look up the definition of "majority", Louis. Nearly half of registered voters were either too busy or didn't even care enough to vote. Hillary and Donald each only got about a quarter of all registered voters. A quarter does not a majority make.
Besides, "the rest of America" really isn't that many people when compared to the three states you're mentioning. Why should one person's vote be worth more than any other's?
For that matter, why do we let five hundred thirty-eight people do all the voting for us? They have no reason to vote the way that we show them aside from avoiding a small fine. I would gladly pay $1000 to have 1/538th of all of the voting power of the Electoral College.
It's fucking stupid, dude. And I think that you know it.
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The electoral college was only there to appease slave states. Like fuck off with that "think of the farmer and their giant yard" shit.
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Yes, they should. Our country's elections should not be decided by California, Texas and New York. Combined, they make up nearly 1/3rd of our population and none of them are swing states. In case you didn't know, there are another 47 states in this union whose voices deserve to be heard loud and clear as well and who all have different perspectives and face different issues. California and New York are overwhemlingly Hillary, but a majority of the rest of America wants Donald.
The gist of your point seems to be that every state should get an equal say. If I'm correct in that, then my question is: why? On what basis should any given state get an equal say, when a state is just, ultimately, an arbitrary delineation? At that point you could just as easily say that any county should get an equal say, or any city. There are any number of arbitrary ways that you could say things should be divided.
You could argue that you're not saying that, and that you're accounting for say differences in population between states, except if you're actually doing that, then you get right back to the popular vote. (Which, by the way, is simply giving every individual person an equal say; while arguably just as 'arbitrary' as any of the above, it's also, far more intuitive).
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Look, I get the point behind representative government. You elect an official to do the hard work of politicking for you - spend the time studying on the real consequences of legislation so that they can make the best informed decision.
But the electoral college is comprised of people who aren't elected. Electors are typically chosen by a single committee within each party in every state. They have no vested interest in voting how the people want, and are simply there to protect the power of the party that they were chosen by.
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Do you really want to cmpare Trump and Obama???
They're similar in the fact that people opposed their presidencies for specific reasons, but the reasons people opposed Obama are not the same for why people are opposing Trump.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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President-elect Trump is back to tweeting.
@Drumf:
Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!
Gee Trump Hypocritical much? …. wait, don't answer that AP forums, I was being sarcastic. I remember he's flip-flopped more than one can count. As Samantha Bee said,(paraphrasing, not direct quote) we know his stance …because he's had every one even if its the opposite side of his former stance.
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http://www.gopusa.com/mitch-mcconnell-no-interest-in-term-limits-for-congress/
The Kentucky Republican tells reporters: “I would say we have term limits now. They’re called elections. And it will not be on the agenda in the Senate.”
So much for draining the swamp.
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Alex Hirsh (creator fo GF) is running a charity drive for Planned parenthood. It's ongoing now if anyone interested.
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@White:
http://www.gopusa.com/mitch-mcconnell-no-interest-in-term-limits-for-congress/
So much for draining the swamp.
Is anyone really surprised?
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I think that you also need to look up the definition of "majority", Louis. Nearly half of registered voters were either too busy or didn't even care enough to vote. Hillary and Donald each only got about a quarter of all registered voters. A quarter does not a majority make.
Besides, "the rest of America" really isn't that many people when compared to the three states you're mentioning. Why should one person's vote be worth more than any other's?
For that matter, why do we let five hundred thirty-eight people do all the voting for us? They have no reason to vote the way that we show them aside from avoiding a small fine. I would gladly pay $1000 to have 1/538th of all of the voting power of the Electoral College.
It's fucking stupid, dude. And I think that you know it.
Because the far left/right leaning values of just a 3 states are not an accurate representation of our country as a whole.
I don't think it's stupid at all. It's definitely flawed and needs some tweaking, but as I said in my first post it's what allows for a broader perspective on how the country as a whole actually feels instead of just a couple of titan states values. Cali has a whopping 55 electoral votes up for grabs, so I think it evens out for the most part. Repubs have to pick up a lot more states to make up that difference.
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Because the far left/right leaning values of just a 3 states are not an accurate representation of our country as a whole.
I don't think it's stupid at all. It's definitely flawed and needs some tweaking, but as I said in my first post it's what allows for a broader perspective on how the country as a whole actually feels instead of just a couple of titan states values. Cali has a whopping 55 electoral votes up for grabs, so I think it evens out for the most part. Repubs have to pick up a lot more states to make up that difference.
look buddy i know someone has to advocate for all those wolves eating whatever unfortunate souls wander into Wyoming but they are not equal to people that are living in cities
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I can't wait for all the sad frog faces when God Emperor Trump's administration bans porn and does away with net neutrality.
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So megyn Kellys book implies someone poisoned her the day of the debate she was at and that he knew she was gonna ask him a question which was about his treatment of women
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look buddy i know someone has to advocate for all those wolves eating whatever unfortunate souls wander into Wyoming but they are not equal to people that are living in cities
How progressive of you.
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Even Trump realizes that most of his voters will be gone by the time of his re-election. It was the whole point of his "this is our last chance!" chant in rallies.
It's also why the turtle guy is shutting down Trump's snake oil for mom and pops.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-big-beautiful-wall-fence-article-1.2867648
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell underscored the importance of border security on Wednesday, saying that they’ll achieve it “in whatever way is the most effective,” Reuters reports.
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If the Democrats are stupid enough to choose a black Muslim to run the DNC and nominate Kanye West in 2020 then Trump's re-election won't be an issue at all. The question will be: can he win NY and CA or just NY?
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Yes, they should. Our country's elections should not be decided by California, Texas and New York. Combined, they make up nearly 1/3rd of our population and none of them are swing states.
Lol, did you even read what you wrote… If they make up only 1/3 of the US population then they wouldn't be deciding a popular vote election!
There are Democrats in Texas and Republicans in California, millions of them. But their votes mean relatively little compared to some suburban Pennsylvanian city. And this is a 'fairer' tally of the American electorate to you? Even the reliably red rural states don't get much attention from presidential candidates.It looks like the more sparsely populated states already have a lot of disproportionate power in the House, there's nothing wrong with letting the President be decided by the popular vote. At the very least, EC votes by state can be handed out proportionally instead of a winner take all system.
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@Bilbo:
If the Democrats are stupid enough to choose a black Muslim to run the DNC and nominate Kanye West in 2020 then Trump's re-election won't be an issue at all. The question will be: can he win NY and CA or just NY?
Hold it right there. This isn't okay. Stop while you're ahead.
Edit: Just to add, if you want to know why so many democrats are calling Trump Supporters* racists, this is a great example.
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Keith Ellison is a black Muslim though. And I don't really think he'll convince white working class voters to come back to the Democrats.
Or was that not the point and I should have said African American instead?
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@Bilbo:
Keith Ellison is a black Muslim though. And I don't really think he'll convince white working class voters to come back to the Democrats.
Or was that not the point and I should have said African American instead?
Look. Your view is blatantly racist. You know exactly why that is.
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If you can randomly pick 20 people and get an asshole, then when you have 50 million people on both sides, you're going to get some extremely shitty people in there.
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@White:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-big-beautiful-wall-fence-article-1.2867648
By the end of his term, Trump will have only put up one sign post on the Mexican border that says, "Please Do Not Illegally Immigrate"
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a single strand of barbed wire, stretched taut as possible
 
