Also if ichji and niji consider themselfs superior why blackmail sanji ?
Can't you consider yourself superior to somebody else and still blackmail him?
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Can't you consider yourself superior to somebody else and still blackmail him?
no why should i blackmail if i believe i can easily win
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no why should i blackmail if i believe i can easily win
For the sake of being cruel to your inferior brother and wanting to intimidate them for sheer satisfaction. And they probably look at Sanji's association with Zeff as a blasphemous weakness due to them all being royals.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Monkey:
I love how like a third of this thread is rushing past Sanji's awesome narrative of "normal human who has risen to great power through hard work, training, and skill after a childhood of being abused for being normal".
And getting really excited at the idea of spraying diarrhea all over this narrative with Sanji turning out to be special anyway.WHOOSH
Note though that is not the focus of the current narrative, and we can't really say if that narrative is really being taken in consideration or not. The focus right now is about the bad ideology of the Germa royal family and how they mistreated and mistreat him(Sanji) for being "different", by being Weak and serve others.
Right now the "normal human who has risen to great power through hard work, training, and skill after a childhood of being abused for being normal" is just a possible thread in the story and a desire in some posters here, just like the thread of Sanji getting a late bloom from his genes and get a power-up.
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no why should i blackmail if i believe i can easily win
Why the fact you believe you can easily win matters at all? Is blackmail the act of easily win against somebody that you wouldn't easily win? I don't think so, so why should there exist such a condition for using blackmail?
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http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/17
Just noticed the book Sanji's reading Noland's story in this page.
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The blackmail is being used mainly to torture Sanji psychologically. Yonji aside, Ichiji and Niji, 100% believe that they would beat Sanji's ass regardless of how much he struggled. However, I doubt they ignore the fact that he is an up-coming pirates of sorts and that he could potentially destroy the equipment around them in a little brawl. It was purely a "don't get rowdy okay?"
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If they pounded Sunkist before reminding him of the threat it comes across as reminder to stay down.
If they constantly use it to distract and restrain him during the fight it comes across as them using it as a crutch.
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Note though that is not the focus of the current narrative, and we can't really say if that narrative is really being taken in consideration or not. The focus right now is about the bad ideology of the Germa royal family and how they mistreated and mistreat him(Sanji) for being "different", by being Weak and serve others.
Right now the "normal human who has risen to great power through hard work, training, and skill after a childhood of being abused for being normal" is just a possible thread in the story and a desire in some posters here, just like the thread of Sanji getting a late bloom from his genes and get a power-up.
The thing is that we have a backlog of less than twenty years of Sanji becoming strong in his own right through his own willpower and training without relying on a genetic manipulation crutch. So Sanji is already an established character of being strong solely through hard work. It's true that it's just a possibility, but it's still much more likely and satisfying than getting exoskeleton powers out of nowhere. Because that would actually make the moral about Sanji's mistreatment being that the Vinsmokes were too impatient rather than they were wrong for only valuing genetically manipulated talent exclusively in a child despite him being their own flesh and blood and only trying to live up to their absurd expectations. Sanji being a normal human is just a much better and fitting narrative overall.
And I agree with what Tamiel said about Ichiji and Niji both believing that they're superior while using Zeff as a means to cause any potential rowdiness from Sanji fighting back to a minimum. Just because you believe you're stronger does not mean you have to underestimate your enemy's potential to still cause a mess from a scuffle. Not to mention for the sake of being a jerk and getting satisfaction out of bullying your little brother. Look at how Yonji kicked the turtle and how Ichiji took away the slice of cake Sanji made to tease him even though they already knew he couldn't fight back against them. They could have just beat him up, but they got satisfaction out of riling up his emotions through those acts as well.
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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@Long:
So those books visible in the flashback apparently are the devil fruit encyclopedia and Noland the Liar, but the text is in japanese, has it been confirmed or was that speculation
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=44503&page=9&p=3699291&viewfull=1#post3699291
@Seafarer33:One thing that's puzzling me is, how exactly will Sanji break free from the blackmail? The way things are now, Luffy showing up and saying "it's okay man, I got you covered now go kick their asses" would be a bunch of empty words. As far as I remember, the Straw Hats don't even have any allies in East Blue who would know about Zeff (by which I mean New World-ready allies ; I'm not expecting Chouchou to hold hold back a combined Yonkou/Vinsmoke strike force).
I don't think it would be really empty words. Even though I don't want a repeat of Robin nakama scenario, the fact that Sanji at the moment is alone without his friends plays an important role, especially when he is getting painful memories. My guess is that it is Chopper in the mirror world who will be the key here.
As for the flashback, I must say it does not interest me that much this time. Probably we got already a good one about Sanji and these villains just don't touch me. But I have the impression it won't be a to big one.
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I think its not over quite yet, the flashback, it might last 2-3 more chapters
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if sanji was named naruto what was his sibilings name going to be
Naruone, Naruthree and Narufour.
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Naruone, Naruthree and Narufour.
Naruto and Sasuke are technically reincarnations of at least two generations of brothers, so…
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"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."
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I think it's safe to say Reiju is up to something. She was the only one who showed kindness to Sanji when young. Also, their mom's history seems important too.
Lastly, I suspect Sanji's super DNA will activate soon.
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@Count:
For the sake of being cruel to your inferior brother and wanting to intimidate them for sheer satisfaction. And they probably look at Sanji's association with Zeff as a blasphemous weakness due to them all being royals.
Makes sense thanks
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Jajji mentioning that Sanji is following his mom's steps makes me believe she'll have a role in the flashback somehow, however, I don't think she taught Sanji anything before the events of this chapter's flashback since Sanji would would've been so little to remember anything from her. So, she's either not dead and Jajji faked her death just like Sanji and she was in prison like Sanji, or she actually died and she just takes part of Jajji's growth process (flashback) which made him what he is.
This or she still is in flashback-time.
no why should i blackmail if i believe i can easily win
They don't need to win. They want to force him into a marriage.
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I don't think it would be really empty words. Even though I don't want a repeat of Robin nakama scenario, the fact that Sanji at the moment is alone without his friends plays an important role, especially when he is getting painful memories. My guess is that it is Chopper in the mirror world who will be the key here.
I hear the argument about how being separated from his friends makes him more vulnerable to such forms of psychological abuse. Maybe indeed the solution here will be that someone just shakes Sanji up to remind him he should have faith in the tenacity of Zeff & co, ignore those threats and steamroll the Vinsmokes. That's what Zeff would say anyway.
However if we're going to want a third party to step in and protect the Baratie, things get a little more complicated. In the case of Robin, the very people whose lives were being used as a lever for blackmail went to hell and back just to tell her "it's OK we will endure the storm together, don't let yourself be swayed". For Sanji, the hostages are a world away and none of the major players I can think of would have a valid reason (or the means) to get back to East Blue in time and cover the Baratie.
Then again, just because Big Mom's spies obtained a picture of the old cook doesn't mean she can strike him down right then and there - even the influence of the Yonkous has to have some limitations outside of Grand Line. Which leaves room for option #1.
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this is looking more and more like a Judge endgame rather than a Big Mom.
I really hope the whole Lola thing doesn't affect Big Mom too much.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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As I said in another thread, the obvious solution is making peace with Big Mom. If she says that the Baratie is off limit, whatever will remain of Germa after this arc won't go after Zeff unless they're suicidal.
Anyway, the most important thing I want to know right now is if the rat survived that fall. Knowing Oda he did and I expect that we will learn his name in a future SBS.
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@Count:
The thing is that we have a backlog of less than twenty years of Sanji becoming strong in his own right through his own willpower and training without relying on a genetic manipulation crutch. So Sanji is already an established character of being strong solely through hard work. It's true that it's just a possibility, but it's still much more likely and satisfying than getting exoskeleton powers out of nowhere. Because that would actually make the moral about Sanji's mistreatment being that the Vinsmokes were too impatient rather than they were wrong for only valuing genetically manipulated talent exclusively in a child despite him being their own flesh and blood and only trying to live up to their absurd expectations. Sanji being a normal human is just a much better and fitting narrative overall.
Note this sentences that you postes:
"it's still much more likely and satisfying than getting exoskeleton powers out of nowhere."
"Because that would actually make the moral about Sanji's mistreatment being that the Vinsmokes were too impatient …"
"Sanji being a normal human is just a much better and fitting narrative overall."
This show your wish and predisposition for this plot point to be used. If Oda totally disregard that you and most people here will get angry or disappointed and without good reason.
Note that the "more likely" part is wrong. There is no way to measure the likelihood of Sanji getting powers from his exoskeleton that should be there since childhood and could appear anytime or just normal. The "satisfying" part is just for you and for a limited group of people. Like you can see in this discussion for many people it would be more satisfying the other way.
"... would actually make the moral ...", the point of the flashback still wasn't really about normal vs with powers. Judge didn't immediately throw Sanji away because he was normal. Like he himself said, Sanji being normal even with the gener, meant he had to work harder than the others to catch to them and turn into an asset to the Germa, something that he wasn't doing.
In fact the major aspect, and I believe it will be the only treated, about the situation is the fact of the ideology of the Germa, the fact that they are warmongers with their heads only on conquest and power, Royalty that treats others as inferior. And specially the fact that they bullied Sanji, and his father and Reiju did nothing against it, for being Royalty and do something inferiors/peasants would do.
For now we have only that, there really hasn't been treated the aspect of the mattering the origin of the power the Germa wants."... being a normal human ... better and fitting narrative overall.", in reality it isn't. It would just be an addition of a good message. The other way, him gaining power, would just not use that message. Also note that Sanji already ISN'T a normal human.
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I'm not sure if this was intentional on Oda's part but Sanji's death being faked literally the next page after Judge said his mom was dead made me question the veracity of that statement a bit.
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I'm pretty sure Sanji's brothers would like to whoop him, but such actions would render him unfit for the wedding tomorrow and of course that would be bad. It's not so much their feelings on Sanji as it is wanting to keep up appearances for the formation of the alliance with Big Mom. Using factors like Baratie is a pretty easy way to not only assert dominance over Sanji, but to keep him completely in line. Beating him up would probably not have the same effect.
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Oh yeah, because the "talent less loser becoming somebody" story is so worthy of looking up and saying "awesome!!! Thank you God Oda is so original!!!"
WHOOSH
I cannot believe this trope carnival has a trope!!1!1!!!!
more punching muscle men please, highly original
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Yeah i'm definitely feeling Nami's as way more disturbing. Dude kills her mother in-front of her, and proceeds to take her and force her to play family with him, while disfiguring her remaining family and friends everytime they desperately try to save the child. And the only way she can ever interact with them is to make them believe she's turned on them.
Its even worse than that though kind of. Arlong didn't simply force Nami to cooperate, she also agreed to do it in exchange for her village….and chose then to make the whole village hate her as a result...knowing they'd hate her (so that they wouldn't try to rescue her). So aside from Nojiko she lived that entire time and grew up a sort of hostage/partner to Arlong, and outcast from her village.
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this is looking more and more like a Judge endgame rather than a Big Mom.
I really hope the whole Lola thing doesn't affect Big Mom too much.Not really. Judge is just a guy that wants to go under BM as subordinate, he is as much endgame as capone is this arc. Luffy defeating cracker, brulee only makes whatever BM feels for luffy now even worse since they are her family.
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My theory is that Sanji is the original and his siblings are his clones.
But why would Sanji be labeled #3, then? And it's not like Judge is trying to cover anything up, considering he flat out told his children that they were all genetically modified.
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The thing is i am confused if he really was a total failure why judge just didnt throw him into sea why make a mask and put him in some prison and keep him alive for while.
Maybe he figured a dud could still be useful in some way (like the marriage thing), and even maybe some tiny shred of paternal connection kept him from outright killing him.
I just expect him to not be a failure and beat his brothers without gene powerup both
These guys are super arrogant absolute monarchs, I don't think Judge would entertain the idea of "inferior birth" being worthwhile.
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Note though that is not the focus of the current narrative, and we can't really say if that narrative is really being taken in consideration or not.
It could not possibly be more of the focus lol. The flashback going on is what is currently going on. And no One Piece flashback occurs without being relevant to the contemporary storyline dude. Oda doesn't just drop them as "Oh by the way some stuff happened awhile ago". The conflicts and themes in the flashbacks ALWAYS connect to the present storylines they happened among.
Sanji is clearly bothered and still shaky toward his brothers and father on an emotional level. And as we've all been saying, Oda is very carefully keeping the power comparisons vague and undefined.
The conflict among Sanji and his family, is the runt versus the golden children, as well as the ideological rift between them.
Sanji as the runt is absolutely still relevant.The focus right now is about the bad ideology of the Germa royal family and how they mistreated and mistreat him(Sanji) for being "different", by being Weak and serve others.
Him being the runt is included in what you're saying.
Right now the "normal human who has risen to great power through hard work, training, and skill after a childhood of being abused for being normal" is just a possible thread in the story and a desire in some posters here, just like the thread of Sanji getting a late bloom from his genes and get a power-up.
He says, directly after saying aspects of it are the focus right now.
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I mean even before Sanji met Zeff he was already on that North Blue ship as an apprentice cook, right? So it was always apparent that Sanji had known cooking before meeting Zeff.
@joekido:
Sanji was already cooking before in the Orbit
I sees… Thanks! It's been too long haha.
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As I said in another thread, the obvious solution is making peace with Big Mom. If she says that the Baratie is off limit, whatever will remain of Germa after this arc won't go after Zeff unless they're suicidal.
Anyway, the most important thing I want to know right now is if the rat survived that fall. Knowing Oda he did and I expect that we will learn his name in a future SBS.
Wasn't Sanji getting away from his blackmail predicament by just reminding himself that he's not alone anymore more obvious though?
He can simply display his power there then trash the place and his brothers. And when his father reminds him that they're gonna go after Zeff, he'll retort with "That guy in East Blue is my father! If you dare touch a hair of him, I'll come back here… with my crew."
I think Big Mom and Luffy are too stubborn to even make peace, considering that Luffy will have to take Jimbei at the end of all this too.
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Is sanji considered human now ?
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Im completly confused with what is super human in one piece
He's genetically engineered human.
If you're asking if Sanji is powerful than Ussop then yes. I mean, how can someone that can fire accurately over ridiculous distance without using a sniper rifle human anyway? We all know Pirates are special. All the SHs are super human in their own way.
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This show your wish and predisposition for this plot point to be used.
Wrong entirely. He's talking about internally consistent themes in the narrative. That's the context of satisfying there, and hell the other two don't even hide that they're about the narrative making sense.
Its completely absurd to act like this is fanfiction desire when we are literally in the middle of a flashback smacking the reader over the head with "RUNT RUNT RUNT, PRIVILIGE THROUGH BIRTHRIGHT IS BAD, RUNT RUNT RUNT".
To which your only reply seems to be the massive wrongness of thinking flashback themes don't connect to the story they're told in.Note that the "more likely" part is wrong.
No its not. You have no idea what you're doing here do you lol.
Oda introduces a theme along those lines, therefore it is more likely for the theme to be paid attention to. This is storytelling 101.
Breaking with the theme produces bad inconsistent storytelling, where authors get confused at their own themes. See Naruto the runt turning out to be a super magic chosen one reincarnation special boy in five hundred different ways eventually. Bad writing.There is no way to measure the likelihood of Sanji getting powers from his exoskeleton that should be there since childhood and could appear anytime or just normal.
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The "satisfying" part is just for you and for a limited group of people. Like you can see in this discussion for many people it would be more satisfying the other way.
Yes, dumb simpletons don't pay attention or care about characterization, themes, drama, and plot conflicts. They really like super saiyen power-ups, and punching.
So what is satisfying to the narrative, as in themes staying consistent, and introduced plot elements having their payoff, is really quite independent of straight up desires.
Above all else because we know from 800+ chapters that Oda gives a fuck about characterization, themes, drama, and plot conflicts (mainly in this case, because he is introducing the themes). So the power-up punch crew? Can take a hike.Hey while I'm at it, lets throw another theme on the grill. One connected to fighting. Oda emphasizing that Sanji is largely a product of Zeff as his true father, and not of the Vinsmokes. Which means beating his family using the powers and tactics that started under Zeff's tutelage and his time on the Baratie, his kicking.
Defeating them with powers and attacks from the Vinsmoke playbook and lineage would mean what? What is the meaning of that in story terms?
Do you even know what I'm saying at all?"… would actually make the moral ...", the point of the flashback still wasn't really about normal vs with powers.
It is an absolute element. It plays into all the points of the Sanji vs Vinsmoke themes. His outsider factor if nothing else. He is not really of them. They are not really his family. He was rejected utterly from their high and mighty world for being a runt. And then made himself strong and made totally his own life outside of them with the Baratie and Strawhats.
Judge didn't immediately throw Sanji away because he was normal. Like he himself said, Sanji being normal even with the gener, meant he had to work harder than the others to catch to them and turn into an asset to the Germa, something that he wasn't doing.
loll are you fucking kidding me? You're blaming this on Sanji. He wasn't working hard enough now lol.
His dad clearly was furious with hearing he was normal, and gave up on him extremely quickly after that. He didn't give a single shit about hard work, he was furious that one of his progeny wasn't living up to expectations. And before totally giving up, hurled verbal and physical abuse at him to try and not be a fuckup.In fact the major aspect, and I believe it will be the only treated, about the situation is the fact of the ideology of the Germa, the fact that they are warmongers with their heads only on conquest and power,
The entire contents of the flashback in this chapter were focused on Sanji being the runt. Inarguably.
Christ, here's the page and dialogue that lead into the flashback.
And you're the one accusing us of seeing what we want to see in the comic?
Ichiji: You are the dud, the mishap, the failure, Sanji"
Sanji grimacing on the ground
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Come the hell on lol. Oda works hard to write this stuff, and WHOOSH.And specially the fact that they bullied Sanji, and his father and Reiju did nothing against it, for being Royalty and do something inferiors/peasants would do.
For now we have only that, there really hasn't been treated the aspect of the mattering the origin of the power the Germa wants."… being a normal human ... better and fitting narrative overall.", in reality it isn't.
At this point I'm convinced that entirely independent of your argument being an indefensible plastic bag, you decided to don the dark brooding cloak of a stern realist. Probably for style points? Maybe to scare away larger predators. Or maybe you don't realize you're arguing something so indefensible.
"In reality" it isn't in the context doesn't even mean anything. It just sounds tough and mature. In reality it isn't.It would just be an addition of a good message.
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PURPOSEThe other way, him gaining power, would just not use that message.
Right! It wouldn't use any fucking message at all, and would poop on a message that Oda has set up!
Almost like it would be retarded bad writing!
You sure Vagabond is the avatar you meant to add? You want maybe a Naruto or Bleach one?Also note that Sanji already ISN'T a normal human.
His brothers and sister were superhuman from birth.
Sanji wasn't.
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Wasn't Sanji getting away from his blackmail predicament by just reminding himself that he's not alone anymore more obvious though?
He can simply display his power there then trash the place and his brothers. And when his father reminds him that they're gonna go after Zeff, he'll retort with "That guy in East Blue is my father! If you dare touch a hair of him, I'll come back here… with my crew."
Yeah but what good does that do? Big Mom's the one who's gonna kill Zeff.
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He's genetically engineered human.
Which is functionally irrelevant. He is a normal human.
Did people actually read the chapter the thread is about? We have that directly stated in the dialogue. In spite of the method of his production, Sanji is a normal human.
He was supposed to be special, it didn't work, he isn't/wasn't.If you're asking if Sanji is powerful than Ussop then yes. I mean, how can someone that can fire accurately over ridiculous distance without using a sniper rifle human anyway? We all know Pirates are special. All the SHs are super human in their own way.
How are people confusing "superhuman power" with "superhuman" so easily lol.
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I think some people are missing the point but guys Sanji and his siblings aren't clones. Yonji stated it takes five years to make a full grown clone.
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Yeah but what good does that do? Big Mom's the one who's gonna kill Zeff.
She could, but why would she? In my understanding, the Germa 66 is not under Big Mom's wing unless they are wed to the family. She has no obligation to do anything for them, I think.
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She could, but why would she? In my understanding, the Germa 66 is not under Big Mom's wing unless they are wed to the family. She has no obligation to do anything for them, I think.
But Zeff is being targeted because of Big Mom. She's the one that told them. he existed in the first place. Germa aren't the ones with eyes on Zeff.
Successful negro doesn't need a signature.
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I wonder if Caesar Clown was also working with Vegapunk and Vinsmoke Judge. Just a crazy theory but I think Judge also wants Caesar's candies to make the clones giant soldiers as he doesn't care about their lives.
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@Monkey:
A lot of stuff
Simple put, you're saying that the theme and characterization of this chapter, and previous Germa 66 chapters, is about Normal Vs Special. Something that it really isn't. And so it would make sense that Sanji defeats the family as Normal and shows them they are wrong in their ways and convictions.
But that isn't a subject really touched on, what is touched is the fact that Sanji was weaker than the others and behaved outside the Royalty standards and so was bullied and deserted by his father.
The genes failing aspect was only brought this exact chapter and was used to explain the discrepancy between siblings strength. Basically, for now the genes are used just as the trigger for the environment in the family, not about the Special ideology of Germa.Is funny you disregard what Judge tell Sanji, and me saying that he said that, with the he gave up of Sanji fast and that I'm blaming Sanji.
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But Zeff is being targeted because of Big Mom. She's the one that told them. he existed in the first place. Germa aren't the ones with eyes on Zeff.
Then it's just as simple as beating Big Mom now, isn't it?
Oh, I can already hear the naysayers' rage.
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Why can't it be both? Is Oda that bad an author that he can't juggle multiple themes? Sanji was made an outcast by his family for both his inability to develop superhuman abilities and his un-royal behavior. And he's gonna show them that they're wrong when he beats at least some of them up
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Then it's just as simple as beating Big Mom now, isn't it?
Oh, I can already hear the naysayers' rage.
Of course. Big Mom would have no reason to have Sanji join her family if everything of the Germa's army was destroyed.
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These flashbacks of Sanji's childhood have said alot about the type of person he is. After everything he's been through, to come out of it a stable good natured person shows an impressive inner strength the rest of his family lacks. Good stuff.
On the subject Reiju, i'm personally not interested in seeing her get redeemed at the moment. I find her to be a loathsome person, and I quite like her that way. Seeing her admit as a kid that she would rather let Sanji suffer than be in his shoes is a good contrast between herself, her siblings, and her father I think. She's basically just a coward, always has been. As far as i'm concerned she's just as much a piece of trash as the rest of her family is, she's just a different kind of trash.
Never would have pegged Judge for a scientist, he doesn't come off as someone remotely interested in intellectual pursuits at all.
Loving the comparisons one can draw between the Germa Kingdom and Totto Land too. Where the Germa are artificial and uniform with most of the population being made up of mass produced clones apparently. Totto Land is presented as a eccentric and diverse utopian wonderland comprising all races. Bring on the Vinsmoke luncheon with Big Mom and Pudding!
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@Monkey:
Only if you extend the definition of "signs of visible damage" to making a gesture of pain then is that statement wrong.
Notice I didn't say pain, I said damage. Something like Oda constantly draws, blood or bruising. I'm not dodging the point of a thing you and Dr Faust made up,that Niji's jaw was put of place.this is THE definition of dodging LOL.
We all saw pain on nijis face when sanji kicked him but LIKE I SAID a dislocated jaw is not JUST PAIN its visible Damage.Hearing a crack doesn't mean something as serious as that lol. Something that would at LEAST also be accompanied with the usual bruising crosshatching lol, but nothing at all and he had his jaw dislocated? Sure thing!
But above all else I'm super curious how his jaw was put of place when Sanji didn't kick him in the jaw. Very strange!Yes his jaw was dislocated and that is not just pain that is visible damage. Niji obviously cracked his jaw because of Sanji.
sanjis shoe hit the entirety of Nijis face witch includes part of the jaw.I too love assuming things I didn't see went a way that just happens to help silly points I want to believe.
not assuming things both Yonji,Sanji and judge stated this as ive already pointed out
But given that Yonji was kicked in the face, and not beaten in a straight up fight in a fight as you're inventing, this doesn't make Yonji nothing either.
No, Yonji was actually beaten as ive already pointed out…
Probably because he didn't "beat" Yonji. He had some sort of altercation where Yonji got kicked in the face. Unless you're suggesting during their entire fight Sanji only kicked him in that one exact spot on his face every time lol. And that being directly unquestionably defeated in single combat by Sanji didn't bother Yonji whatsoever aside from being slightly annoyed, which totally makes lots of sense yeah.
He probably is better than Yonji, but not by as much as you're again, inventing. And we can quite easily assume Yonji is weaker than the other two."Probably"?…looks like you're the only one assuming things here.
also who said sanji only kicked him in that one spot every time? its possible that he kicked him in other places too.Oh he did? Show me the fight they had, and the dialogue that says they had a fight (yes, a fight). And also show me the necessary major reaction Yonji had when defeated in combat by his brother.
Oh wait you can't? Imagine that. Almost like a bunch of Foot Fetishists together just assumed the coolest thing possible rather than actually paying attention, and have since forgotten they made an assumption in the first place.
I also like that on top of inventing a fight that didn't happened, you also invented that it was an easy fight for Sanji. Next how about we make up where it took place, and what move Sanji used.Except…I don't have to show you the ACTUAL fight just like i wouldnt have to show you the fight between Akainu and Aokiji to know that Akainu won. I've already shown you the nessesary dialogue both spoken out of Niji, Sanji and Judges mouth you're just too blinded to actually read my links in their full entirety and not quote mine...
Judge says Sanji "did something" to Yonji. Like say, a kick in the face in an argument. Rather than a mythical offscreen fight, which would not be something done to someone.
Than Yonji's scene is the most powerful evidence against a fight happening of all, which shows him mildly miffed about what happened and ready to get back at Sanji.
Which suggests beyond any doubt that a fight didn't happened. So thanks for the link.and here we goo with the quote mining….
did you happen to read what Judge says DIRECTLY after he says this? he says "Ill have you know that Niji is quite formidable" sanji says in response: "I guess that makes me more so"
meaning Sanji knows that he is MORE formidable than Yonji. how else would he know this if he just randomly kicked him? and this makes NO sense because Yonji would have fought back.Not only that but you completely ignore the other link I posted in it Yonji states: "How could a good for nothing like him possibly get the better of me"
if you think this is not clear evidence that Sanji beat yonji in a fight then you are clearly in denial LOL
here ill link the chapters again for you:[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/832/20http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/833/7](http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/833/7)
Sanji bucking the family system and constantly getting out of line with arguments, is exactly in line with him being tamed and made demure for the sake of the family plan.
Not that it would surprise me coming from a Foot Fetishist, but did you stop reading the chapter when the flashback began? Because I'm kind of amazed that a person could read the chapter and come away thinking that Sanji surpassing all his brothers significantly enough that they use blackmail to avoid getting beaten by him…is just a natural fact sitting in the air and all the characters are aware of this. Because like, the flashback part made it even more obvious than it already was that Sanji has an underdog background that is going to be finally pitted against his strong-by-birth brothers.
But Foot Fetishits don't want their darling boy to be an underdog, because they hate the characterization, and love the character more as an empty vessel for kicking.No, they are not scared of sanji, they are not using blackmail to avoid getting beaten by him.
They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji. They may know that he already beat Yonji and may be aware that beating him wont be as easy as it was last time.
I underlined it so you you wont ignore this statement again. cant be sure with you though..
that little fight between Niji and Sanji had NO consequence on the wedding.Oh you've been saying that in so many words.
Oh really…please quote me saying that the bros are scared of sanji... LMAO
It might actually be even stupider and stranger for them to not even care at all about being beaten by their brother possibly, and just functionally unemotionally using blackmail to avoid the possibility because whatever.
Almost like this sort of view could only exist in a world where chapters are read for (literal) kicks and not characters.No, like I said they simply dont think Sanji will win but it is completely possible for him to put up a struggle or resistance now. is this too much of a foreign concept for you to understand.
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The people saying they want Sanji's power's to manifest or have already manifested hence the fire are lame as hell.
Isn't it much cooler that he's an ordinary guy strong as a motherfucker and kicking ass?
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The people saying they want Sanji's power's to manifest or have already manifested hence the fire are lame as hell.
Isn't it much cooler that he's an ordinary guy strong as a motherfucker and kicking ass?
This… And there is nothing that strange about Diable Jambe anymore and we have seen far more strange stuff used by DFless character.
If he gets something activated I doubt it will have something to do with Diable Jambe.
But I doubt it will happen and he is "simply human" as the chapter said and that this human will kick the asses of the bros to show Judge and them that they are nothing with their science shit
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But Zeff is being targeted because of Big Mom. She's the one that told them. he existed in the first place. Germa aren't the ones with eyes on Zeff.
Germa knows all the need to know about zeff now the can easily kill him any time they want
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He's genetically engineered human.
If you're asking if Sanji is powerful than Ussop then yes. I mean, how can someone that can fire accurately over ridiculous distance without using a sniper rifle human anyway? We all know Pirates are special. All the SHs are super human in their own way.
When i wrote that i had around alabasta sanji and ussop in mind
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Finally getting back to this so called Year of Sanji that was being bantered about.
A great chapter once again.
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The people saying they want Sanji's power's to manifest or have already manifested hence the fire are lame as hell. Isn't it much cooler that he's an ordinary guy strong as a motherfucker and kicking ass?
What you're failing to understand is that this isn't about being "cool". There's no real proof that what you typed is the route Oda wants to take with this. You're only assuming that's what the moral of the story is. The fact of the matter is, that scientist guy stated that his genes were successfully modified. He simply hasn't been able to express his enhancements.
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What you're failing to understand is that this isn't about being "cool". There's no real proof that what you typed is the route Oda wants to take with this. You're only assuming that's what the moral of the story is. The fact of the matter is, that scientist guy stated that his genes were successfully modified. He simply hasn't been able to express his enhancements.
Sorry but being "cool" is The Sacred Rule for all mangakas and all manga world.
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If it was not mentioned before a reference for Iron Mask Sanji is The Vicomte of Bragelonne (see the part three) by Alejandro Dumas: the idea that the iron mask jailed prisoner is actually the twin brother of king Louis XIV.
