Hi all I wanted to post some fanart I did recently of one of my new favorite characters; Carrot.
did a pose of her doing electro
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and one of her in her sulong form
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Check out more of my art on my instagram https://www.instagram.com/_.akil/
Hi all I wanted to post some fanart I did recently of one of my new favorite characters; Carrot.
did a pose of her doing electro
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and one of her in her sulong form
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Check out more of my art on my instagram https://www.instagram.com/_.akil/
So with this chapter we can finally end the debate of who would have won between Luffy and Doffy. Luffy can move and fight after G4 run out.
@Monkey:
Oh so you think it doesn't matter that Sanji didn't even leave a bruise on Niji's face. Something Oda constantly draws throughout the series after physical hits.
And you think this doesn't matter when people are claiming Sanji "demonstrated superiority".
Wanna try dodging the point?
There you go again putting words in peoples mouths…
this must be all you have left to resort to....how sad
Why did you put "demonstrated superiority" in quotations? never said that, also never implied that. All I was saying is that there is alot of evidence to support that sanji should atleast be able to break out of Nijis grip and his victory over Yonji gives evidence for this this.
1. No visible damage, which is the shit I said. No bruise. Oda draws these all the time. None.
2. Whatever the hell happened, even if as you say, Niji immediately fixed the "problem" and demonstrated absolutely no lasting impact from it whatsoever mere seconds after it happened. Meaning it was entirely negligible.
1. LOL…sure Oda draws bruises alot... So what? the dislocated Jaw was still visible damage
2. negligible sure, maybe so...I'm simply saying it was visible damage.
you are dodging simple as that...
Ok if you'd like to not be accused of dodging, take the page and circle in red Sanji's foot hitting Niji's jaw. If its as you say, this should be very easy.
But that page shows no such thing, so you'll find this quite impossible.
You linked the wrong page dude…
well either way it hits the upper jaw area here's highlighted http://imgur.com/a/dfTsY maxilla bone.
even if it didn't hit the jaw niji obviously fixed his jaw so your argument is irrelevant.
So is Sanji on par with them and leaving them wounded with his kicks, or is he leaving no damage when he kicks them. Which is it.
Oh look, a shitty argument falling apart when pushed. I don't believe it.
Thats always been the gag with Sanji when he rearranges peoples facial structure there are no scars/bruising left.
When sanji restructures peoples faces there are no bruising left.
Their entire faces warped and changed shape PERMANENTLY you putz! No sign of the damage at all! lol
here ill use your own argument against you…
"Oh so you think it doesn't matter that Sanji didn't even leave a bruise on Niji's face" congratulations, you just played yourself
also there facial structure wasn't "permanently" changed Sanji could easily fix it back.
Post the dialogue dodgy dan.
OK, I know how slow you can act so here you go again.
"Ill have you know that Niji is quite formidable" sanji says in response: "I guess that makes me more so"
"How could a good for nothing like him possibly get the better of me"
I'm sorry you find Oda's dialogue to be bias against your point. But maybe this is telling you something.
you said you quoted exactly what was on the page but you did not, you only quoted part of it.
I'm sorry but if you have to resort to quote mining as a tactic then it seems like the dialogue is bias against YOUR point not mine.
One Piece isn't an encyclopedia, its a comic book depicting fake people interacting, and their every word is not to be taken literally.
If you take all dialogue literally, you are completely incapable of reading fiction, and possibly also incapable of following conversations in real life.
This isn't a matter of debate.
There is absolutely no way to interpret Sanji knowing anything as fact from that scene.
LOL…now your just in denial
Sanji doesnt lie about who he can beat just to act tough in-front of a father he doesnt care about, thats just dumb. If Sanji cared so much about acting tough like you're ASSUMING. Why was Sanji nonchalant when Niji was about to kick him in the face? he had no reaction. He doesn't care about proving anything to them.
No Greenmane, this is not how normal people read that dialogue. ('_')
Yes they do. Normal people take what people actually STATE in the manga over mere assumption. which is what you are doing.
I'm certain that most people that avtually read the chapter took it that way.
Those assumptions are actual normal takeaways from the given information and given dialogue, and also the unique insight of understanding human speech patterns and context.
Assuming something based off treating Sanji like a Plot Robot is a frightening bizarre way of seeing the world, and I can't imagine how life is through your eyes.
I too can take away imaginary things from dialogue that I make up in my mind to try and prove a stupid point. watch…
Akainu and Aokiji didn't actually fight..they just became lovers and banged on punk hazard. WG posted a fake story so to not lose face over this incident and told Aokiji to spy on blackbeard. this is obviously a normal takeaway from the information and dialogue. If you choose to take what the WG said literally you can't read like a normal person.
You expect Usopp to talk like a confident tough guy, and not Sanji? You HAVE read One Piece right?
I should ask the same of you.
That is EXACTLY Usopp's character. he is a coward that lies to look tough infront of his enemies. Pretty sure you've been an OP fan longer than me and you still dont know this LMAO…
Oh on that note, how did your brain not seize up and crash when you read Little Garden, the arc where Zoro and Sanji had an argument over insisting that they had caught a bigger animal than the other one.
Gosh! They each said their catch was bigger! So they're both stating facts that they know! But they can't both be right????
The difference between Zoro and judge is that he is competitive with Zoro. With judge he doesn't care for him. he's trying to prove that hes sbetter than Zoro. He has nothing to prove to Judge.
So the pattern emerges in this thread, a shocking unexpected pattern, that people who support super dumb interpretations of One Piece… very often seem to at best have heard of most of past One Piece before. And haven't really y'know, read it.
says the guy who thinks Usopp never talks shit to act tough. did you forget the innumerable times usopp had had his 10000 men, 10 ton hammer etc…
NVM maybe you were talking about yourself.
Oh right, that was it. Thank you!
are you saying he wasn't bullying Sanji?
He's barely angry or even very emotional at all in the literal operating room,
If he got lodged in the wall like Niji almost did, and Sanji walked away it could very easily work out as a one hit situation. Especially if Yonji wasn't taking it as heavily as you insist, which we know he didn't. Hell even in this and the last chapter he doesn't seem to be holding a grudge. Heck they're literally sitting next to each-other at the dinner lol.
This makes no sense. theres no way Sanji could have just walked away like youre saying Yonji would have simply gotten up and fought back.
So ACTUALLY, you're saying that it would be insane for Yonji to let one kick slide.
….except for what YOU'RE saying to be correct would mean.... Yonji letting Sanji outright defeat him in one on one combat slide. I'd call this checkmate, except its like you moved your king directly in front of my pieces so I'm not sure I can claim any credit. In fact isn't that an illegal move??
LOL sure checkmate ;) you're like a kid who has no idea how to play and just wrecks all the pieces on the board and insists he wins….no it doesn't work like that little buddy. sorry
How did Yonji letting Sanji beat him slide??? Sanji already BEAT him so how would that let him slide? He's stronger so why fight again? Did Bellamy, whom is a bit similar to yonji hold a grudge against luffy when he beat him? NO, he actually GAINED respect for him. he even went to skypeia himself afterward. there is nothing to let slide if he won in a fight.
its possible that the same happened with Yonji. He actually gained a bit of respect for Sanji just like reiju. finding out Sanji is strong would be like if Sanji also acted like a spoiled royal..they would gain respect. I mean, being weak is one of the reasons they hated him why would being strong make them hate him more?
For starters Judge wasn't bested himself. You see… when a thing happens to a person, its taken very hard by that person, but not usually by other different people that the thing doesn't happened to.
But again of course, Sanji and Yonji didn't have a fight, and Judge certainly doesn't say they did. He says Sanji "did something" to Yonji.
He didn't have to be bested. Sanji simply proved he was strong which did go againnst what Judge thought Sanji could do at that time.
One of the many signs of the Fight Junky is thinking Haki is evidence of a "high power level"
never said that. judge was the one who commented on that being surprised.
Yes, resistance and struggle against his role in their plans, and against his place as a runt who should lick their shoes. That's what they mean.
That's not what you mean though, now is it.
HOORAY, you finally payed attention to what I wrote. Didn't think it would happen
you deserve a cookie for that one.
now…
The dialogue directly irrefutably (and for you painfully) states that its about Sanji remaining in his place, understanding his place in the family heirarchy, his place as a "dud","mishap" and "failure".
Now, the wider context of that is what. Them holding him off because they respect his formidable strength? And don't want to beat his ass….like they always used to...as bullies that you said they are?
Hmm! No! That makes no sense!
Could it be that they want to crush his spirits, remind him of "who he is", and make him a demure whipped dog, for advancing the family plans?
Why yes! That would make sense! Cool, Niji saying Sanji is "of use to us."
I mean, most people don't need this cited by direct dialogue, but since you somehow do, there it is. Cool huh?
Like I said how does telling sanji NOT to fight back put him in his place. wouldn't it be more satisfying to put him in his place while hes fighting the best he can?
and I asked for a quote of them saying that Niji said to not fight back specifically to put him in his place you have yet to do that. "of use to us" wont cut it
Because Sanji is not in check, and is still bucking them.
Point out one instance of Sanji "bucking" after judge pulled out Zeff card.
Because its not the fight that they're at issue with, its him not behaving like the family gimp. Or in other words.
"I'll be more than happy to remind you of the hierarchy in this house, anytime you want!! You… are the dud... the mishap... the failure Sanji."
Now where did that come from?
Oh right.
My friend page.
What does a simple fight have to do with being a gimp? and how does telling him not to fight back make him not behave like the gimp?
like I said…that page refutes nothing lol.
@Monkey:
…what? Why are you talking about dodging lol.
Because thats what your doing, simple as that….
So you're saying whenever the human body produces a cracking sort of sound, a person has a dislocated bone/appendage.
cracks knuckles
AAAHHHHH MY KNUCKLES
Remind me how its visible when your "evidence" is a sound effect.
that crack was directly caused Sanji inflicted damage. when we crack our knuckles its not because of damage inflicted on us by anything
We see Niji crack his jaw into place not just a sound effect thats giving a visible sign of damage
You probably shouldn't make specific claims that are directly refutable by the manga.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
What?? that page refutes nothing lol…
Because thats the only wound he had in that scene you're attempting to use as evidence, as if you've read the scene since it came out (don't think you have).
He has clothes covering his body Sanji could have hit him there, His wounds could have healed Sanji could have hit him multiple places in his face and left no scar.
Just look at Duvals face after Sanji beat him?look at Noodle mans face from cipher pol? No scars left…
Well see the reason we know those two had a fight, is that characters told us they had a fight.
A thing that isn't true with Yonji and Sanji.
Pretty important difference.
Same thing happens here between Yonji, Sanji and Judge.
You posted dialogue that didn't say what you're saying. Well you posted the pages, but seemed to not like actually posting the dialogue. Maybe there's a reason for that.
It did and If your saying I only posted pages and not dialogue then you simply arent good at reading. this time read my whole post before posting replies to parts of it.
Things you did: Linked to pages.
Things I did: Quoted the exact dialogue from said pages.
correction "quote-mine" theres a BIG difference…
Yeah, and?
Where I come from we read character dialogue like its spoken by human beings and not plot robots. Therefore we would not read that scene and conclude that somehow Sanji "knows" anything. He could have a good hunch, be talking shit, combo of both. But he certainly doesn't "know" anything.
I think you'll find dialogue is actually SUPPOSED to be read like living things are talking.
No, Sanji stated that he is more formidable than Yonji as a FACT, and so did Yonji. Therefore we should take it as such LMAO. Its funny because you were accusing me of assuming things and now you're assuming he could have a hunch or talking shit? I'd maybe expect that from Usopp but Sanji is not like that. He really didnt even care when Niji was about to kick him in the face at the dinner table. Sanji doesn't talk shit on a hunch…
This assumes the situation was fight all over again.
It sounds like Yonji pissed him off, Sanji hit him, and that was that. Unless Sanji was on top of him and wailing away Yonji doesn't need to fight back.
No it doesnt, Do you really think that if Sanji just randomly kicked Yonji he would just let that slide? Yonji was a BULLY…have you ever tried to hit a bully before? even just once?
You're delusional if you think that Yonji would have let Sanji's kick(that messed up his face bad) slide...
Ok so once again lets read dialogue like human beings are speaking it, and not plot robots.
Yonji is confused and "miffed" shall we say that Sanji damaged him as so. Suggesting that whatever exactly happened wasn't a fight, with its suggestion of conclusiveness that would leave no doubt. But a quick incident where Sanji embarrassed him, leaving him put off, but still clearly in the mindset that it was a fluke.
Yonji was not in the mindset that it was a fluke… he stated that Sanji got the better of him. YOU are the one who is taking this plain and simple statement out of context.
You still have to account for why Yonji isn't spiritually crushed and disillusioned that his entire world view of his power and that of his "useless" brother wasn't violently shattered.
But I get the feeling you never actually account for that aspect of anything.
Why does he have to be? Judge wasn't when he first confronted Sanji about Yonji or that Sanji knows Haki or that he put up a decent fight?
They clearly have such doubts about where things stand!
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
Is this the only way you can possibly try and win an argument? by putting words in peoples mouths?
Where did I say they have doubts? I SAID
""""They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji."""""
Even after I took the time to underline it for you and you still ignore it….maybe bolding it will help...probably wont though knowing you.
This page is my friend today.
more like enemy
The overall process of stomping Sanji down back to "his place" has everything to do with the wedding and longterm Germa plans.
In fact I think this was mentioned in dialogue as being the motives in that scene.
http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/840/3683/13
You think? please show me where it was mentioned that he said this because he wanted Sanji to stay in the wedding.
Because as far as I'm concerned it was simply to have no struggle or resistance from him. Judge already had Sanji in check when he first mentioned Zeff so why would a little fight have any consequences. He even told Sanji to not fight back. if a simple fight was such a problem why did Judge challenge Sanji?
@Monkey:
Only if you extend the definition of "signs of visible damage" to making a gesture of pain then is that statement wrong.
Notice I didn't say pain, I said damage. Something like Oda constantly draws, blood or bruising. I'm not dodging the point of a thing you and Dr Faust made up,that Niji's jaw was put of place.
this is THE definition of dodging LOL.
We all saw pain on nijis face when sanji kicked him but LIKE I SAID a dislocated jaw is not JUST PAIN its visible Damage.
Hearing a crack doesn't mean something as serious as that lol. Something that would at LEAST also be accompanied with the usual bruising crosshatching lol, but nothing at all and he had his jaw dislocated? Sure thing!
But above all else I'm super curious how his jaw was put of place when Sanji didn't kick him in the jaw. Very strange!
Yes his jaw was dislocated and that is not just pain that is visible damage. Niji obviously cracked his jaw because of Sanji.
sanjis shoe hit the entirety of Nijis face witch includes part of the jaw.
I too love assuming things I didn't see went a way that just happens to help silly points I want to believe.
not assuming things both Yonji,Sanji and judge stated this as ive already pointed out
But given that Yonji was kicked in the face, and not beaten in a straight up fight in a fight as you're inventing, this doesn't make Yonji nothing either.
No, Yonji was actually beaten as ive already pointed out…
Probably because he didn't "beat" Yonji. He had some sort of altercation where Yonji got kicked in the face. Unless you're suggesting during their entire fight Sanji only kicked him in that one exact spot on his face every time lol. And that being directly unquestionably defeated in single combat by Sanji didn't bother Yonji whatsoever aside from being slightly annoyed, which totally makes lots of sense yeah.
He probably is better than Yonji, but not by as much as you're again, inventing. And we can quite easily assume Yonji is weaker than the other two.
"Probably"?…looks like you're the only one assuming things here.
also who said sanji only kicked him in that one spot every time? its possible that he kicked him in other places too.
Oh he did? Show me the fight they had, and the dialogue that says they had a fight (yes, a fight). And also show me the necessary major reaction Yonji had when defeated in combat by his brother.
Oh wait you can't? Imagine that. Almost like a bunch of Foot Fetishists together just assumed the coolest thing possible rather than actually paying attention, and have since forgotten they made an assumption in the first place.
I also like that on top of inventing a fight that didn't happened, you also invented that it was an easy fight for Sanji. Next how about we make up where it took place, and what move Sanji used.
Except…I don't have to show you the ACTUAL fight just like i wouldnt have to show you the fight between Akainu and Aokiji to know that Akainu won. I've already shown you the nessesary dialogue both spoken out of Niji, Sanji and Judges mouth you're just too blinded to actually read my links in their full entirety and not quote mine...
Judge says Sanji "did something" to Yonji. Like say, a kick in the face in an argument. Rather than a mythical offscreen fight, which would not be something done to someone.
Than Yonji's scene is the most powerful evidence against a fight happening of all, which shows him mildly miffed about what happened and ready to get back at Sanji.
Which suggests beyond any doubt that a fight didn't happened. So thanks for the link.
and here we goo with the quote mining….
did you happen to read what Judge says DIRECTLY after he says this? he says "Ill have you know that Niji is quite formidable" sanji says in response: "I guess that makes me more so"
meaning Sanji knows that he is MORE formidable than Yonji. how else would he know this if he just randomly kicked him? and this makes NO sense because Yonji would have fought back.
Not only that but you completely ignore the other link I posted in it Yonji states: "How could a good for nothing like him possibly get the better of me"
if you think this is not clear evidence that Sanji beat yonji in a fight then you are clearly in denial LOL
here ill link the chapters again for you:[http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/832/20
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/833/7](http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/833/7)
Sanji bucking the family system and constantly getting out of line with arguments, is exactly in line with him being tamed and made demure for the sake of the family plan.
Not that it would surprise me coming from a Foot Fetishist, but did you stop reading the chapter when the flashback began? Because I'm kind of amazed that a person could read the chapter and come away thinking that Sanji surpassing all his brothers significantly enough that they use blackmail to avoid getting beaten by him…is just a natural fact sitting in the air and all the characters are aware of this. Because like, the flashback part made it even more obvious than it already was that Sanji has an underdog background that is going to be finally pitted against his strong-by-birth brothers.
But Foot Fetishits don't want their darling boy to be an underdog, because they hate the characterization, and love the character more as an empty vessel for kicking.
No, they are not scared of sanji, they are not using blackmail to avoid getting beaten by him.
They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji. They may know that he already beat Yonji and may be aware that beating him wont be as easy as it was last time.
I underlined it so you you wont ignore this statement again. cant be sure with you though..
that little fight between Niji and Sanji had NO consequence on the wedding.
Oh you've been saying that in so many words.
Oh really…please quote me saying that the bros are scared of sanji... LMAO
It might actually be even stupider and stranger for them to not even care at all about being beaten by their brother possibly, and just functionally unemotionally using blackmail to avoid the possibility because whatever.
Almost like this sort of view could only exist in a world where chapters are read for (literal) kicks and not characters.
No, like I said they simply dont think Sanji will win but it is completely possible for him to put up a struggle or resistance now. is this too much of a foreign concept for you to understand.
@Monkey:
He cracked his jaw a little bit.
And people are talking like this means he underwent the same elaborate lab process Yonji did earlier. Except totally different.So no he didn't "fix" his face.
You said he didn't show any signs of visible damage right?
this statement is incorrect, as i've pointed out he had to crack his jaw back in place.
stop dodging the point
"Obvious" apparently means something different to people who are bad at reading manga.
There is nothing obvious about that. Everything right now with their strength comparisons is vague and uncertain.
We don't know if Sanji is still weaker, or he's stronger, or roughly equal. We don't have enough information.
And the only thing obvious is that Oda is keeping it uncertain un-purpose.Anyone claiming to know that Sanji is faster than his brothers, or could easily break free from their grasp, is full of crap.
OK…though wasn't Sanji bullied by the family for being so weak? So since he beat Yonji in a fight so easily why wouldn't sanji be able to break out of the grasp of Niji? unless Yonji is just WAY below his two older bros. Judge even commented on Yonji's strength being formidable so I don't think this is the case. So I don't buy the fact that Sanji was able to beat Yonji so easily but cant even break out of the grasp of his older brothers. If yonji was that far beneath ichiji and Niji then I think he would have been bullied as well. It's not obvious but there is alot of evidence.
Yonji isn't Niji. Thanks for playing.
Also we didn't see what happened with Yonji. Sanji hurt his face pretty bad, but thats it. We don't know if there was a fight or what.
And there has been various signs that Yonji might be the lesser of the three to begin with.
I'm glad though that when Daz and Dr Faust both revealed they weren't really implying that Sanji was stronger than his brothers, that you decided that the dumb position that no one claimed would be your cross to bear!
You sure do love dodging points don't you?
you said…
"Oda hasn't shown at all that Sanji secretly outclasses his brothers,"
Your statement is PROVEN false thanks to the fact thanks to the fact that Sanji already beat Yonji easily not only that but both Sanji and Yonji even CONFIRMED this in chapter 832 when judge first speaks with sanji and in chapter 833 when yonjis face is getting restructured back.http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/832/20 http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/833/7 So Oda has shown that he outclasses at least one of them.
That is entirely the reason.
No, because that makes no sense. The fight between Niji and Sanji over Cosette had nothing to do with Sanji going through with the wedding. whether or not Sanji fought Niji doesnt ruin the marriage. So why would Niji blackmail Sanji over a fight so unconsequential.
And of course he said this while terrified of super powerful AWESOME Sanji the badass man.
and now youre just putting words in my mouth…
Never did I say that they are afraid of Sanji. They just didnt want any resistance or struggle from Sanji. They may know that he already beat Yonji and may be aware that beating him wont be as easy as it was last time.
@Monkey:
Did you completely miss Niji doing the same thing to Sanji like three panels later or what the hell. The black mail comment wasn't made in duress at all, he had already ambushed Sanji himself without Sanji noticing, and without any visible damage taken from Sanji's kick.
Niji did take visible damage he had to fix his face.
Also, its obvious that sanji could have broken out of Nijis grasp. Niji direcly blackmailed Sanji after he grabbed him
@Monkey:
Oda hasn't shown at all that Sanji secretly outclasses his brothers, and the blackmail element has nothing at all to do with combat. Its to keep Sanji cooperative with the wedding ceremony and subsequent alliance marriage.
I guess you already forget that Sanji beat Yonji easily. it wasnt just to keep him cooperative with the wedding. Niji said "just try and fight back…I dare you all the blood spilled over at east blue will be at your hands"
I think alot of people are overlooking Kinemon.
he's already done so much with the crew already.
is there a release date for voyage 5 season 5 yet?
i honestly think burgess is going to get it now.