Of course, given our recent interactions, I was not expecting to convince you of anything. I have simply shown people how the wiki works in response to their various issues with it; make of it what you will.
Official Totland Thread
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@Kaido:
Of course, given our recent interactions, I was not expecting to convince you of anything. I have simply shown people how the wiki works in response to their various issues with it; make of it what you will.
The way the wiki works: Slowly and awkwardly thanks to the million ads.
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Th wiki is good for looking up dates, and on occasion placing an obscure background face to an obscure name.
And that's it.
Hell, it's compulsive need to replace manga images with anime shots the instant they're available just shows that it's dumb.
I also loved the time Doflamingo was declared officially dead after he was suddenly decapitated by Kyros. Because that was totally obviously actually the end of his arc as a character.
Or that time it insisted for weeks that Koala was a boy due to a shitty mangapanda translation, despite professional translators insisting she was a girl.
Or that couple years it knew Sabo must be dead. It's current insistence on Monet and Vergo being dead. Etc.
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Geebus. Sanji's history is 52 pages long compared to the entirety of WW2 being 42 pages long.
That's just wrong on so many levels.
Doesn't Sanji technically outlive WWII?
I mean, as a character, he has existed for almost 20 years (although I'm aware that a writing of everything that happened at WWII would be hundreds of times larger than the Wikipedia article. A person would probably need a few decades in order to learn exactly everything that went on plus chronicle it).
I assume that, by the time OP ends, every Straw Hat could potentially have their own 100-page (at minimum) books detailing their series' history, following the wiki way of detailing everything.
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@Kaido:
As I said before, if you don't like it, feel free to make it better.
how can you make it better when someone can just change it back to shit?
they could not even wait 1 chapter to make sure doflamingo was not still alive lol?
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I'm not going to go into every little problem people have with the wiki as this thread is supposed to be about the Totland Arc. If your opinion doesn't agree with the community's, sorry, there's nothing I can do. And c'mon, Doflamingo was ancient history; we now have an "unknown" status for things like that, which was put to good use with Jack and all that.
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@Kaido:
I'm not going to go into every little problem people have with the wiki as this thread is supposed to be about the Totland Arc. If your opinion doesn't agree with the community's, sorry, there's nothing I can do. And c'mon, Doflamingo was ancient history; we now have an "unknown" status for things like that, which was put to good use with Jack and all that.
The only thing I can suggest is making the history sections less wordy (like Zephos said). I do see that was discussed at least (ironically, it appears Galaxy was on the side of detailed summaries. I wonder if he still thinks so).
A more casual fan would be intimidated by the sheer length of some of them, and it makes searching for certain events harder as well (I know because I've been there). I know an encyclopedia is supposed to be detailed, but for a story that's supposed to be about fun and adventures, it's probably not the best way.
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or we could talk about the time this obvious picture of doflamingo was thought to be of rosinante just because he was mentioned in the conversation before it, and it was used as the actual identifying picture for his ARTICLE!
excuse being? "His nose is sharper and more crooked than Doflamingo's"
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or we could talk about the time this obvious picture of doflamingo was thought to be of rosinante just because he was mentioned in the conversation before it, and it was used as the actual identifying picture for his ARTICLE!
excuse being? "His nose is sharper and more crooked than Doflamingo's"
i can't take those people seriously.I do remember a ton of people here thinking that was Rosinante as well.
Guess people were expecting secret twin brother switcheroo shenanigans.
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Can't we just make a One Piece Wiki Sux garhh Thread or something lol.
Its quite handy sometimes… I visit there when I am lazy to skim through 800++ chapters just to find small stuff. The citations are rather helpful.
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@Kaido:
I'm not going to go into every little problem people have with the wiki as this thread is supposed to be about the Totland Arc. If your opinion doesn't agree with the community's, sorry, there's nothing I can do. And c'mon, Doflamingo was ancient history; we now have an "unknown" status for things like that, which was put to good use with Jack and all that.
All of your posts sound like a McDonald's spokesperson answering questions at a press conference on why there were human fingernails in Big Macs for a week.
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McTotland actually does sound like something McDonalds would come up.
Just don't know what.
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McTotland actually does sound like something McDonalds would come up.
Just don't know what.
Clearly something aiming at the children under 10 demographic. Either that, or a McMuffin with hashbrowns for buns.
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My favorite wiki mistake was when wadatsumi was first seen and ussop said it was a legendary creature and then the wiki took it as a reliable source. I gave up on the fools on the site after that. Saying that i love the wiki itself.
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The forum should just take their time and create their own wiki right here on the forum (sticky thread) and have the mods make the appropriate changes and what not. I know it takes time to create this sort of thing and we really don't have enough time but something like this will definitely benefit the fan-base in the long run.
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@Monkey:
All of your posts sound like a McDonald's spokesperson answering questions at a press conference on why there were human fingernails in Big Macs for a week.
I think this is my favorite post of yours of 2016.
As for the wiki as others have said it's good for tracking down a chapter number/title or a quick piece of info but it seems mainly composed of Mangapanda/mangastream readers that rush to the wiki as soon as a chapters out to update the wiki without waiting for the official translation/an accurate one to reference.
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People kept forgetting that the wiki is run by people, people are humans and we all make mistakes. That is why the wiki is a edit for free site where you people can go and change it. Yes some people over there are stubborn however that is how human nature is and what we should be doing is making discussion instead of going "screw you, i'm going home". Yes the wiki people makes many mistakes, however we all make mistakes and we all should stick together to fix it even if the people over there are stubborn.
Sorry for sounding like a know-it-all, I'm only trying to bring out some common sense, you must understand that nothing is perfect, in fact if Arlington Park has it's own wiki; would you guys be 100% happy? You can't even make everyone happy.
But believe me, I don't even like how they run the wiki, yet I kept going over there anyway to correct mistakes and make changes since October 2006 and yes; it was crazy however perhaps one day things will get better. Yet to hate a wiki over mistakes they made? We live in a country that made many mistakes.
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Zoro's wiki cracks me up since the initial part of it just seems to be related to his fashion throughout various arcs.
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@Kaido:
And c'mon, Doflamingo was ancient history; we now have an "unknown" status for things like that, which was put to good use with Jack and all that.
At least that's a step in the right direction. But what's with characters like Vergo or Monet? Claiming them for dead is nothing, but pure fanfiction. It's just not how One Piece works.
If I'm supposed to take the wiki seriously, I don't want to have fanfiction considered as fact.
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This arc is a combination of Oda combining the Happy-go-Disney themes we know with the very grim fairy tails that they originally were. Of course, maybe there's some creepy pasta and hallucinogenic art work as well. :ninja:
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Some one brought up an excellent point on how Luffy will defeat Big Mom, his main power house ( Zoro / Law ) is gone. All he has is the weakling trio ( Brook / Nami / Chopper ) granted Brooks not as weak as Nami and Chopper guess we can finally see what he's been over the time skip. Hey, maybe Brook can finally get an updated bounty? He's had the same one even before he ran across the strawhats
Guess the main power house in this arc will be Luffy / Jinbei / Sanji though. New recruit of allies from Big Mom's crew, bet Sanji's sister joins too, still needs more people.
Gear 5? Or maybe Luffy's awaking happens here?
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Also, guess we won't be seeing Zoro and the other half of the crew for a while. Similar
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I doubt BM will be taken down through a fight. Lola's vivre card is still out there and it sure will be a very important piece in this arc since it was introduced 8 years in advance.
At first I thought it could be used as a way to guide Luffy to BM once he found out she was Lola's mother, but Oda used Pekoms to get Luffy to her location. The only use I can see that thing having now is to mitigate any hostility BM could have towards him.
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@.access:
I doubt BM will be taken down through a fight. Lola's vivre card is still out there and it sure will be a very important piece in this arc since it was introduced 8 years in advance.
At first I thought it could be used as a way to guide Luffy to BM once he found out she was Lola's mother, but Oda used Pekoms to get Luffy to her location. The only use I can see that thing having now is to mitigate any hostility BM could have towards him.
Do you think this will all end up as an elaborate plot of Big Mom to give her daughter's saviour a big thank you party?
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Some one brought up an excellent point on how Luffy will defeat Big Mom, his main power house ( Zoro / Law ) is gone. All he has is the weakling trio ( Brook / Nami / Chopper ) granted Brooks not as weak as Nami and Chopper guess we can finally see what he's been over the time skip. Hey, maybe Brook can finally get an updated bounty? He's had the same one even before he ran across the strawhats
Guess the main power house in this arc will be Luffy / Jinbei / Sanji though. New recruit of allies from Big Mom's crew, bet Sanji's sister joins too, still needs more people.
Gear 5? Or maybe Luffy's awaking happens here?
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Also, guess we won't be seeing Zoro and the other half of the crew for a while. Similar
situation as what happened with Sanji's plot back in Dof's arc right?brook has gotten a higher bounty 83 million+soul king picture on poster
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After a peek on Sanji's wiki, how come no one has edited his surname?
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Do you think this will all end up as an elaborate plot of Big Mom to give her daughter's saviour a big thank you party?
If I am saying the vivre card will be used to make peace between BM and Luffy, then obviously I am not suggesting either of them already know the other's relation with Lola.
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Zoro's wiki cracks me up since the initial part of it just seems to be related to his fashion throughout various arcs.
That's how all the Strawhats are arranged. I think a couple other characters like Law and maybe Smoker have multiple tabs to their pages too.
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You don´t quote wikipedia on an assignment and you don´t quote OPwiki in here.
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Since it was said that Sanji was taken to Big Mom, I had been wondering if Big Mom would be defeated soon, but after seeing the last episode, I think that she's gonna be defeated, without half of the crew, just like Luffy defeated Doflamingo without half of the crew.
I would not understand that after showing Big Mom, her islands, her territory, Luffy would only rescue Sanji and escape, only to fight her after fighting against Kaido.
Since we do know that Kaido is stronger physically than Big Mom, I think she will fall first than Kaido, and that's why Sanji will have a great comeback, like Oda said.
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@Bartholemew:
But what's with characters like Vergo or Monet? Claiming them for dead is nothing, but pure fanfiction.
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Dead until proven otherwise.
If you'd care to actually look at the multiple discussions on the wikia you see that's also the conclusion they arrived at. Calling it fanfiction just because you disagree with them is immature.
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Dead until proven otherwise.
If you'd care to actually look at the multiple discussions on the wikia you see that's also the conclusion they arrived at. Calling it fanfiction just because you disagree with them is immature.
Yes, it looks like she's dead. So did Pell and Pagaya. In-universe it's fine, but out-of-universe, this just is not how One Piece works.
I'd really prefer it if the wiki would be led by people who actually have a good grasp at storytelling and therefore especially know how One Piece and Oda tick.
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^Let's just pretend that this debate never started.
So I know many think that Big Mom will not fall this arc. What about her officers ?
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Hard to say if her officers will fall, if we talk about tamago, capone, bobbin. We don't know how strong they are, are they on par with jack or something( 1 billion pirates)? Or in the pekoms zone?
If the second ,then they could fall now. But if it's the first, then they could be reserved for later when Big mom falls.
I would like to see capone vs sanji, since he is a cannonballs guy(outside) and it won't do anything to Luffy, but it could give a good fight to sanji. Also, Capone asked Sanji if he wasn't to burn down his castle… foreshadow?
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@.access:
If I am saying the vivre card will be used to make peace between BM and Luffy, then obviously I am not suggesting either of them already know the other's relation with Lola.
But how do you know that BM doesn't know that Luffy saved Lola? She seemed very interested in having Luffy come to her in the last page… (I don't know if you realised I was joking, no need to be so hard on me :ninja:)
Now, about Big Mom being defeated this arc. The way everything was introduced and set up has a very traditional One Piece arc feel, building Big Mom as the big villain behind the arc. The leader of this territory, with its particular rule set by her, sending out some subordiantes to take the ingredients by force, being creepy all around... But. In terms of overall story, it doesn't make sense for Luffy to take down one of the 4 strongest pirates out there with just half of his crew, no support from any allies and in an arc where he didn't even come to fight her. Absolutely no sense. When you consider all the preparations we've been seeing to fight Kaido (kidnapping Caesar and taking down his business in Punk Hazard, invading Doflamingo's kingdom and taking him down, which by istelf took 100 chapters, gathering a Grand Fleet, allying with the Heart Pirates, the Samurai rebellion and the entire Mink nation...), thinking about taking down another emperor in a regular arc with barely any previous setup and with a handful of people seems nuts.
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This is going to be an enjoyable arc.
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Dead until proven otherwise.
If you'd care to actually look at the multiple discussions on the wikia you see that's also the conclusion they arrived at. Calling it fanfiction just because you disagree with them is immature.
If you actually had read the one piece chapters and not just the wiki then you would know another picture of monet's heart was shown after that with the heart on the ground with the item used to stab the heart being shown to have missed the heart but had done just done some damage to the side of it plus this is one piece where people like pell can survive a nuke to the face and still be able to move lol.
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Since it was said that Sanji was taken to Big Mom, I had been wondering if Big Mom would be defeated soon, but after seeing the last episode, I think that she's gonna be defeated, without half of the crew, just like Luffy defeated Doflamingo without half of the crew.
I would not understand that after showing Big Mom, her islands, her territory, Luffy would only rescue Sanji and escape, only to fight her after fighting against Kaido.
Since we do know that Kaido is stronger physically than Big Mom, I think she will fall first than Kaido, and that's why Sanji will have a great comeback, like Oda said.
I disagree. I think two Yonkou will be defeated by Luffy over the course of the New World: Kaidou and Big Mom. I feel like he has to defeat one of those on his own (or come close to, it being heavily implied that he would have won if the fight had continued, but it was interrupted by something). Law is Luffy's ally for Kaidou, so unless something happens to him, Kaidou will probably be more of a joint effort - if only in the sense that Doflamingo was. Then the second Yonkou should be Luffy's fight. Maybe when someone tries to help him, he'll say something like "No, I challenged her, so I'll take her alone". Because of that, I feel like Kaidou being stronger works in favour of Big Mom being the second to go down, if anything.
I'm still not a fan of the theory that Big Mom will go down this arc.
EDIT: I should also say, I know that some people hated the split-up of the crew. I never did, not even a little bit. And I also have nothing against the current split-up, I think it's very intriguing. But, for a Yonkou to go down without half the crew there? Doflamingo was one thing, but that's too much in my opinion. Plus, what does that say about how easy Big Mom was to take down? Even if he has to gather allies in Totland still, it shouldn't have the same impact as the Kaidou alliance has. I can't see him accumulating enough to take down a Yonkou. If he does, I feel like it'd be anti-climactic of how powerful the Yonkou are supposed to be. Plus, if he's already taken down a Yonkou, why would the second one still be exciting if he has the help of Law and Marco etc, even if Kaidou is more powerful. That's why I said, the second one should be Luffy's fight alone.
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Big Mom is not going to fall this arc. Taking down a yonkou is a huge deal, and if Luffy did it without support from the rest of his alliance, it wouldn't make any sense.
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Dead until proven otherwise.
If you'd care to actually look at the multiple discussions on the wikia you see that's also the conclusion they arrived at. Calling it fanfiction just because you disagree with them is immature.
It's reassuring to know that the legions of clown men who run the wikia have never read One Piece in their lives. Exactly the folks for the job.
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Dead until proven otherwise.
If you'd care to actually look at the multiple discussions on the wikia you see that's also the conclusion they arrived at. Calling it fanfiction just because you disagree with them is immature.
Uhh with One Piece it's really alive until proven dead.
Pell says hi.
…and Pagaya.
....and Bon Clay.
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Uhh with One Piece it's really alive until proven dead.
Pell says hi.
…and Pagaya.
....and Bon Clay.
Bad examples, we never saw a body in each of those three, their fate was left ambiqious from the start, unlike seeing a ice-dagger piercing the heart, with blood spurting.
A better example would be the panel where it seems the dagger is sticking in the ground next to Monet's heart. And it seems there is no blood dripping/cover the heart-box.
And to state its possible we don't know the full details of that jell-like box that maintains the hearts.
1-Is it solid all the way though or just the surface?
2-Was it that was squirting instead of blood?
3-OR does it have like a healing box so that the heart inside it is maintained?Atleast for #2 it answer would be no as this panel shows Monet having been injured=
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Honestly, there was one character in One Piece that I was absolutely sure actually died as an exception to the rule and that was Bellamy. And, well, we know how that turned out, right?
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characters who die in one piece almost all die for story progression reasons. they're basically plot devices, like ace.
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Honestly, there was one character in One Piece that I was absolutely sure actually died as an exception to the rule and that was Bellamy. And, well, we know how that turned out, right?
Never understood why people thought Bellamy was dead. Always seems clear to me Doflamingo was cutting him loose.
For a wiki I don't mind that certain chracters are counted as dead. I don't Monet is dead but if after the manga showed her getting impaled they declared her dead, I think it's fine.
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Honestly, there was one character in One Piece that I was absolutely sure actually died as an exception to the rule and that was Bellamy. And, well, we know how that turned out, right?
well you did not have ace/whitebeard to compare it to back then lol.
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People are still bringing up Monet's "death" again after it's been discussed at length in other threads? Oh, boy.
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Never understood why people thought Bellamy was dead. Always seems clear to me Doflamingo was cutting him loose.
Well the last thing we saw of him was Doflamingo telling him that he wouldn't need him anymore and then the controlled Sarkies attacking him with his big-ass knife, aiming at his head. Next panel, we hear people screaming, see a bit of blood flying around and someone commenting that Bellamy didn't stand a chance. So….yeah the scene was clearly staged for the reader to assume that Bellamy was beheaded or, at the very least, severely wounded.
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But Bellamy did kill Roshio, right ?
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The most annoying thing of the wiki is how they insist on calling a character their full name, even when that name is a spoiler, see monkey d garp, monkey d dragon and Trafalgar D water law. Or soon to follow koizuki momonosuke and vinsmoke sanji.
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The apareance sections should just use pictures. Also the fact that even the joke characters get their own pages, where only pandaman would warrant one to count his apareances.
The fact that they recount all the facts of the manga for each character, and the often cited using of a lower quality anime image for the sake of color. The wiki is just poorly conceived in too many places.
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But Bellamy did kill Roshio, right ?
Yeah, he did. And the Fake Strawhats were buried alive by Caribou. Oda does kill small characters from time to time, so it is hyperbole to state that he NEVER kills a character. Though personally, I also expect Monet and Vergo to pop up sooner or later in a cover story, alive and well.