With all the mess Pica did and the even bigger mess the shrinking cage is doing, seems pretty clear that LittleCherry will use her Restoration to give the country its actual shape, just without the factory.
Chapter 780: "The Heart's Curse"
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Filler is a material that is combined with material of greater relevance or quality to fill out a piece of art to fit the certain format.
It does not mean that it cannot be done by the original author.
So if anything, it's you who does not know what the filler is.
Nah, it's just not what you want to see.
That doesn't mean it doesn't have a purpose, it just isn't what you like. That's cool and all, but filler is still the incorrect definition.
If it happened last chapter, it sure is.
Let's look at what you're complaining about.
Oh boy, 2 panels of Luffy's anger being emphasized by Doflamingo's mistreatment of Bellamy. Oda is surely filling the entire chapter with this (he isn't).
Yes, there is so much tension there have been people calling people morons for believing Law could possibly die.
TENSION!
I don't think he's dead either, but so what? I want to know what moments of tension in this series you actually consider "intelligent".
It also doesn't get rid of the emotional impact as much as you're exaggerating. As long as the characters "think" someone is dead or gravely injured, their anger and emotions are natural. You are operating from the position of the "all knowing reader".
One third of this chapter are angry faces taking up the entire panel.
I'm trying to find these, but they don't seem to really exist, except for the Bellamy one.
Perhaps you're talking about faces in the middle of the fight, which have happened since the beginning of the series?
There are nearly no backgrounds.
There are backgrounds, but I don't mind the unusual lack of them when the character drawings/actions look pretty good in the chapter.
Oda isn't bloody flawless and the art in this chapter is lacking. And yes, showing bunch of faces instead of actually drawing characters is something that Toei does. Frequently.
I'm kind of tired of you resorting to telling everybody that replies to you that Oda isn't flawless. Everybody knows this.
And what you've described just isn't being used the same way as Toei uses it, and you know it.
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I didn't notice when reading the MP scan, but in the Viz version it looks like Luffy grabs the spider web with his other hand after his gear 3rd attack is blocked. Neat.
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I didn't notice when reading the MP scan, but in the Viz version it looks like Luffy grabs the spider web with his other hand after his gear 3rd attack is blocked. Neat.
Yeah, definitely another benefit of the official scans. Professional cleaning really helps to see details like that, especially when Mangapanda/Stream smudge the scans.
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With all the mess Pica did and the even bigger mess the shrinking cage is doing, seems pretty clear that LittleCherry will use her Restoration to give the country its actual shape, just without the factory.
New shape > Old shape
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@Galaxy:
Nah, it's just not what you want to see.
That doesn't mean it doesn't have a purpose, it just isn't what you like. That's cool and all, but filler is still the incorrect definition.
But you know, you can dismiss any opinion like that.
@Galaxy:
Let's look at what you're complaining about.
http://puu.sh/gMRzE/0a01a3f749.jpg
Oh boy, 2 panels of Luffy's anger being emphasized by Doflamingo's mistreatment of Bellamy. Oda is surely filling the entire chapter with this (he isn't).
… Do you even know what the purpoes of example is, or are you just being deliberatly obstinate?
@Galaxy:
I don't think he's dead either, but so what? I want to know what moments of tension in this series you actually consider "intelligent".
Luffy and Usopp fighting over Merry I consider a tense and inteligent moment. For example.
@Galaxy:
It also doesn't get rid of the emotional impact as much as you're exaggerating. As long as the characters "think" someone is dead or gravely injured, their anger and emotions are natural. You are operating from the position of the "all knowing reader".
I don't care what characters feel. It feels cheap and lessened TO ME. And in the end, what I experience while reading the work of art dwarfs what author intended for me to feel or indeed what characters feel.
@Galaxy:
I'm trying to find these, but they don't seem to really exist, except for the Bellamy one.
Perhaps you're talking about faces in the middle of the fight, which have happened since the beginning of the series?
You know, I've been reading the series for years and every critisism is met with "Well, it was always like that".
And you know, every time I go back to check, and every time it turns out it wasn't like that.
A marvel.
@Galaxy:
There are backgrounds, but I don't mind the unusual lack of them when the character drawings/actions look pretty good in the chapter.
… You know, at this point I'm convinced you would actually consider nearly anything good.
@Galaxy:
I'm kind of tired of you resorting to telling everybody that replies to you that Oda isn't flawless. Everybody knows this.
And I'm kinda tired of you guys being baselessly dismissive of any critisism aimed at the manga, regardless of what it is.
@Galaxy:
And what you've described just isn't being used the same way as Toei uses it, and you know it.
Of the top of my head, it was used as a filler technique in Marineford arc.
Pah. I feel like I'm talking to a wall again.
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Anyway, could be something not far from the mock-backstory Riquelme wrote several pages back. Only more tragic. Or he's just a psycho.
I don't know, take roci and dofla, same situations different outcomes. I don't think the backstory could make me like akainu. But it's not Sakazuki (he has to be like he is), and it's not even to think at the story from a different point of view (even if I disagree with about everything said I recognize frankytank and others had some interesting points). Oda also made bad guys difficult to be absolutely recognized from the very beginning (I always liked that) the only exception being in fact Akainu. What really make me upset are some sneaky ways of act by somebody but I don't want to start an argument with anybody (cause I don't have time, I'm too old for that and, most of all, I'll end up rightly banned by Rob) so I'll improve my proficiency in tongue-biting and keep my thoughts for me.
Just to let you know, cause you felt involved someway, or felt the need to reply me - which I appreciated, I wasn't thinking about you.
"I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"
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But you know, you can dismiss any opinion like that.
Of course. Your point is?
… Do you even know what the purpoes of example is, or are you just being deliberatly obstinate?
You cited it as some sort of filler moment that took up "so much space", but it didn't.
Luffy and Usopp fighting over Merry I consider a tense and inteligent moment. For example.
I liked it too.
But we knew he would rejoin, didn't we? You can't have a double standard with this.
I don't care what characters feel. It feels cheap and lessened TO ME. And in the end, what I experience while reading the work of art dwarfs what author intended for me to feel or indeed what characters feel.
Wow, so there's your problem. You don't care about the characters, even though the reason to care is there.
That's your problem.
You know, I've been reading the series for years and every critisism is met with "Well, it was always like that".
And you know, every time I go back to check, and every time it turns out it wasn't like that.
A marvel.
Don't overexaggerate. That's not the response to everything you say.
In this particular case though? Find a fight that doesn't show "angry faces".
… You know, at this point I'm convinced you would actually consider nearly anything good.
Not really.
I do know how to justify things when necessary though. Even when I don't like something!
And I'm kinda tired of you guys being baselessly dismissive of any critisism aimed at the manga, regardless of what it is.
"Dismissive".
Just because people are arguing against you, doesn't mean they're dismissing anything. This is a forum, so you shouldn't even be posting if you don't expect people to ever disagree with you.
Of the top of my head, it was used as a filler technique in Marineford arc.
In a much more annoying way, with every episode having minutes of reaction shots and nonsense.
That isn't what's happening here at all.
Pah. I feel like I'm talking to a wall again.
You can't expect everybody to agree with you.
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@Galaxy:
Of course. Your point is?
My point is that arguments like that are worthless.
@Galaxy:
You cited it as some sort of filler moment that took up "so much space", but it didn't.
Two wasted panels. And the entire chapter is filled with moments like that.
@Galaxy:
I liked it too.
But we knew he would rejoin, didn't we? You can't have a double standard with this.
But we didn't know in what manner he would rejoin, what would he do for the upcoming part of the arc, nor where would his relation with Merry go afterwards.
This is not double standarts, both scenes have completly different quality of writing behind them.
@Galaxy:
Wow, so there's your problem. You don't care about the characters, even though the reason to care is there.
That's your problem.
Now you are being overintepretative again.
But yes, knowing that he will surely be brought back to life means that I don't share Luffy's incredible over a person he's known for total of two days.
Perhaps you should explain why should I care?
@Galaxy:
Don't overexaggerate. That's not the response to everything you say.
In this particular case though? Find a fight that doesn't show "angry faces".
It's not that.
Compare the relative number of face shots to actual panels of fighting.
Then go back to, I dunno, Croc vs Luffy round one, and do the same there.
You will see the difference.
@Galaxy:
Not really.
I do know how to justify things when necessary though. Even when I don't like something!
When I will see something more substantial then "This is actually good" or "The problem is not manga, it's you", then I will believe you.
@Galaxy:
"Dismissive".
Just because people are arguing against you, doesn't mean they're dismissing anything. This is a forum, so you shouldn't even be posting if you don't expect people to ever disagree with you.
If people are actually not using any arguments at all, yes, it means they are being dismissive.
Or did you not noticed the pattern? How some people I will engage in long debates, and other is treat with disdain? What do you think it stems from, my whims?
I have specific criteria for how arguments should look like.
@Galaxy:
In a much more annoying way, with every episode having minutes of reaction shots and nonsense.
That isn't what's happening here at all.
Yeah, because
@Galaxy:
You can't expect everybody to agree with you.
I don't. I do however, expect them to be actually engaging in a discussion.
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I'm baffled by how many people are interpreting Law's situation as a tensionless development.
As many have pointed out, Law will more than likely survive, but Law being on the verge of death matters more for how it affects Luffy and Doflamingo at the onset of their climactic fight than for what it means for Law. I don't think the story's intention is to fake readers into fearing for Law's life. It's more about adding weight to what the ultimate resolution of the current story (which started in chapter 655) will be.
The story's current narrative arc, which began with the Straw Hats' arrival to the New World, has largely focused on distinguishing the humane from the inhumane; the story seems to be trying to show us where the line is drawn between these two qualities.
The story has brought this exploration to light through key characters like Kyros, Caesar, and most importantly Law. Luffy and Doflamingo, of course, stand almost exclusively at opposite sides of these qualities.
Notably, Caesar and Doflamingo gave a similar speech at the height of their control in their islands. In 689, Caesar wonderfully sets up the story's task; as he describes the unique power he holds through Punk Hazard (P.H.); he goes off about how those that arrive at P.H. can run, can scream, but nobody will come to save them. In 746, as Doflamingo lays out his game, he says the same things to those in Dressrosa–they can scream, they can cry, but nobody is saving them. Ironically, Bird-Cage and Shi-no-Kuni, the manifestations of Doflamingo's and Caesar's powers and wills, trap them as much as they trap their victims. In this way, we see how the inhumane violence that these two spread over their sphere of influence in the world is as damaging to them as it is to others. And yet, it is clear that these two hold a very significant grip on the New World.
As such, we ask ourselves: why should we choose to act humane when those who act inhumanely can hold all the power?
Law is very personification of this question. The fate of Law -- his survival or his death -- determines our answer.
Through Law, we see the struggle that is being compassionate in a cruel world. His backstory speaks for itself. In 762, as Law prepares to stab Corazon, he asks himself why miserable people like Corazon (who for Law at this point symbolizes the cruelty of the world) should live while caring people suffer horrible deaths, like those of his family and friends in Flevance. Law himself is on the fence between humanity and cruelty. In 752, Law says he wants to not be like Doflamingo -- Law wants to escape his association with inhumanity.
This desire has many aspects. Law is called a monster as a child. By joining with Doflamingo in his childhood, he seeks the same kind of wanton destruction that Doflamingo seeks. All the same, the influence of Corazon deviates him from this path of cruelty and introduces Law to the opposite of his wanton destruction: random kindness and compassion. Corazon saves Law for no other reason than the human feeling of empathy, as he states in 764. Through this relationship built on empathy and kindness, Law manages to prolong his lifespan. He survives his illness and gets to grow up.
Interestingly, in the present timeline, we are told Law's reputation is one of cruelty. Apoo alludes to this reputation at Sabaody, and again we hear it from the G5 marines upon Law's reintroduction in P.H. in 659. Yet we also see Law act on kindness, both when he takes Jean Bart into his crew (helping him through a lifetime of pursuit from Celestial Dragons) and when he saves Luffy at Marineford. Thus, at present, Law is still very much on the fence between his humane and inhumane qualities.
The ultimate answer to Law as a character, then, is what kind of person he will ultimately be; this is determined by the resolution to his character arc--the fulfillment of his quest for revenge. When Corazon dies, Corazon cries out for Law's freedom; he wishes more than anything for Law to leave Doflamingo and piracy behind and to simply live a long happy life, free of the inhumanity he suffered as a child. And yet, as Doflamingo poignantly says here in 780, Law has not done that. Law has dedicated his life to the sole pursuit of Doflamingo and piracy. In Law's mind, as he says in 768, he can only be free until Doflamingo dies for his crimes. Yet, like Doflamingo alludes to in this chapter, Law has essentially thrown aside the whole reason why Corazon died in the first place.
Pulling it all back in to Law's current critical state: this is by far the most tense point of this narrative! Not for whether Law lives or dies, but for what it means if he lives or dies.
The answer to Law's character will come through the outcome of his inner conflict ultimate fight. Doflamingo represents the inhumanity of Law's life; Luffy is his humanity. Law saved Luffy through humane compassion, got Luffy to call him a friend, and places absolute faith in Luffy –- the same faith he places in his being able to renounce cruelty and finally be free of his inhumanity. In this chapter, the roles that Luffy and Doflamingo play in Law's narrative were cemented. Law wholeheartedly declares his belief in Luffy (he makes miracles!) and gives the definitive middle finger to Doflamingo. Now, in the most vulnerable spot he's ever been in, Law will lay witness to the physical manifestation of his inner conflict.
For Luffy, who is hell-bent on never letting someone in his life die again, Law's current state is the fuel he needs to defeat Doflamingo. Law has explained to Luffy why he went after Doflamingo (Kaido plan was a lie) and told him (in 749) of Doflamingo's crime: he killed his own brother. Luffy, having just come back from losing his own brother, has every reason to dislike Doflamingo. Now, with Law (and Bellamy and all of Dressrosa) in harm's way, Luffy is dedicated to finishing Doflamingo, and everything he stands for, off.
For Doflamingo, Law's allegiance was always about validating his own life choice to stand against the world at large. As he says, he sees himself in Law. But when Corazon feeds Law the Ope-Ope, Doflamingo is angered at how now he must ask Law to die. Even further, he is angered at how Law makes clear that he wants nothing to do with Doflamingo's way of life and his way of being. This is what 752 is entirely devoted to. Doflamingo, though fully capable of ending Law's life at any time, has pulled his punches and reneged on killing Law at every turn, all in the hope that Law will simply agree with him again. Now, Law having finally given Doflamingo the middle finger and professed his devotion to Corazon (his coat, his crew's name, everything), Doflamingo needs to have Law die. His wish for immortality is a way of him wishing to immortalize his ideals: in 761, he tells Luffy humans are savage creatures by nature; in 725 in Momo's flashback, Doflamingo says the same when punishing the gladiators who pulled punches during a colosseum fight. (And of course, the source of Doflamingo's own stance in the story's humane vs. inhumane stems from his father's declaration of humanity, but that's another essay)...
Thus, the battle to repel Doflamingo, and all of his ideals, is about to start! And Law's fate being in question puts the story's thematic resolution in question. ----> TENSION!
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When I will see something more substantial then "This is actually good" or "The problem is not manga, it's you", then I will believe you.
If people are actually not using any arguments at all, yes, it means they are being dismissive.
I have specific criteria for how arguments should look like.
I don't. I do however, expect them to be actually engaging in a discussion.
You know, I could reply to your post, but after seeing all of this, it'd just be a massive waste of time. It'd just be disregarded as an argument not up to your "level". You criticize others for insulting you, but then you do the same nonsense by telling every arguer that you're "talking to a wall", or that they aren't "up to your level" or that they're not "engaging enough for you".
So instead, I urge you to reply to Ned_Gutters.
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And yet, as Doflamingo poignantly says here in 780, Law has not done that. Law has dedicated his life to the sole pursuit of Doflamingo and piracy. In Law's mind, as he says in 768, he can only be free until Doflamingo dies for his crimes. Yet, like Doflamingo alludes to in this chapter, Law has essentially thrown aside the whole reason why Corazon died in the first place.
Great post, I really like your analysis of Law. Also, that panel where Doffy comments on Law's last 13 years is indeed very poignant and the best in the chapter.
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I don't know, take roci and dofla, same situations different outcomes. I don't think the backstory could make me like akainu. But it's not Sakazuki (he has to be like he is), and it's not even to think at the story from a different point of view (even if I disagree with about everything said I recognize frankytank and others had some interesting points). Oda also made bad guys difficult to be absolutely recognized from the very beginning (I always liked that) the only exception being in fact Akainu. What really make me upset are some sneaky ways of act by somebody but I don't want to start an argument with anybody (cause I don't have time, I'm too old for that and, most of all, I'll end up rightly banned by Rob) so I'll improve my proficiency in tongue-biting and keep my thoughts for me.
Just to let you know, cause you felt involved someway, or felt the need to reply me - which I appreciated, I wasn't thinking about you.
Well "like" is maybe too strong of a word. Maybe understand his actions better.
I can't really believe a writer like Oda would create a character with such an extreme beliefs without thinking of a reason why that is so. If it were a less important character maybe.
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DoFlamingo should've made law fight a string lookalike of Rocinante.
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I'm baffled by how many people are interpreting Law's situation as a tensionless development.
As many have pointed out, Law will more than likely survive, but Law being on the verge of death matters more for how it affects Luffy and Doflamingo at the onset of their climactic fight than for what it means for Law. I don't think the story's intention is to fake readers into fearing for Law's life. It's more about adding weight to what the ultimate resolution of the current story (which started in chapter 655) will be.
Just so you know i took the time out to read your post, and it was well written i see your effort but also bare in mind it may fall on deaf ears and be overlook for the same old arguments but never the less continue
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Maybe Doffy will be defeated first, then Trebol second, how cool would that be of Oda for a change?
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Just reread the chapter on Viz, and damn man Doflamingo is out of Luffy's league. Unless he pulls out some unseen super move (Gear 4?) or gets some Bullshit Fairy Tail type power up, I can't see him winning. Really hope to see what the flashback bubble is all about.
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how cool would that be of Oda for a change?
Less than zero.
Law in tensionless situation? Yes, indeed, don't give a shit about Law. It's One Piece and a D., won't die. Doflamingo is the real thread of the chapter, Oda makes you see him undefeatable, that catches your attention while you remember your previous thoughts about him, which is why he always says that Law will die, remember him: he's evil and hasn't lose to anyone before!.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
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@Shobu:
Less than zero.
Law in tensionless situation? Yes, indeed, don't give a shit about Law. It's One Piece and a D., won't die. Doflamingo is the real thread of the chapter, Oda makes you see him undefeatable, that catches your attention while you remember your previous thoughts about him, which is why he always says that Law will die, remember him: he's evil and hasn't lose to anyone before!.
I see what you did there.
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@Galaxy:
No, you really can't.
I've made a post about it before, so not writing something new, but here:
And with a serious Davy Back Fight being a possibility in the New World, it helps its case even more.
Just out complete curiosity, since I'm drawing a complete blank: "sea monkeys ", where was that?
! I'm baffled by how many people are interpreting Law's situation as a tensionless development.
! As many have pointed out, Law will more than likely survive, but Law being on the verge of death matters more for how it affects Luffy and Doflamingo at the onset of their climactic fight than for what it means for Law. I don't think the story's intention is to fake readers into fearing for Law's life. It's more about adding weight to what the ultimate resolution of the current story (which started in chapter 655) will be.
! The story's current narrative arc, which began with the Straw Hats' arrival to the New World, has largely focused on distinguishing the humane from the inhumane; the story seems to be trying to show us where the line is drawn between these two qualities.
! The story has brought this exploration to light through key characters like Kyros, Caesar, and most importantly Law. Luffy and Doflamingo, of course, stand almost exclusively at opposite sides of these qualities.
! Notably, Caesar and Doflamingo gave a similar speech at the height of their control in their islands. In 689, Caesar wonderfully sets up the story's task; as he describes the unique power he holds through Punk Hazard (P.H.); he goes off about how those that arrive at P.H. can run, can scream, but nobody will come to save them. In 746, as Doflamingo lays out his game, he says the same things to those in Dressrosa–they can scream, they can cry, but nobody is saving them. Ironically, Bird-Cage and Shi-no-Kuni, the manifestations of Doflamingo's and Caesar's powers and wills, trap them as much as they trap their victims. In this way, we see how the inhumane violence that these two spread over their sphere of influence in the world is as damaging to them as it is to others. And yet, it is clear that these two hold a very significant grip on the New World.
! As such, we ask ourselves: why should we choose to act humane when those who act inhumanely can hold all the power?
! Law is very personification of this question. The fate of Law -- his survival or his death -- determines our answer.
! Through Law, we see the struggle that is being compassionate in a cruel world. His backstory speaks for itself. In 762, as Law prepares to stab Corazon, he asks himself why miserable people like Corazon (who for Law at this point symbolizes the cruelty of the world) should live while caring people suffer horrible deaths, like those of his family and friends in Flevance. Law himself is on the fence between humanity and cruelty. In 752, Law says he wants to not be like Doflamingo -- Law wants to escape his association with inhumanity.
! This desire has many aspects. Law is called a monster as a child. By joining with Doflamingo in his childhood, he seeks the same kind of wanton destruction that Doflamingo seeks. All the same, the influence of Corazon deviates him from this path of cruelty and introduces Law to the opposite of his wanton destruction: random kindness and compassion. Corazon saves Law for no other reason than the human feeling of empathy, as he states in 764. Through this relationship built on empathy and kindness, Law manages to prolong his lifespan. He survives his illness and gets to grow up.
! Interestingly, in the present timeline, we are told Law's reputation is one of cruelty. Apoo alludes to this reputation at Sabaody, and again we hear it from the G5 marines upon Law's reintroduction in P.H. in 659. Yet we also see Law act on kindness, both when he takes Jean Bart into his crew (helping him through a lifetime of pursuit from Celestial Dragons) and when he saves Luffy at Marineford. Thus, at present, Law is still very much on the fence between his humane and inhumane qualities.
! The ultimate answer to Law as a character, then, is what kind of person he will ultimately be; this is determined by the resolution to his character arc--the fulfillment of his quest for revenge. When Corazon dies, Corazon cries out for Law's freedom; he wishes more than anything for Law to leave Doflamingo and piracy behind and to simply live a long happy life, free of the inhumanity he suffered as a child. And yet, as Doflamingo poignantly says here in 780, Law has not done that. Law has dedicated his life to the sole pursuit of Doflamingo and piracy. In Law's mind, as he says in 768, he can only be free until Doflamingo dies for his crimes. Yet, like Doflamingo alludes to in this chapter, Law has essentially thrown aside the whole reason why Corazon died in the first place.
! Pulling it all back in to Law's current critical state: this is by far the most tense point of this narrative! Not for whether Law lives or dies, but for what it means if he lives or dies.
! The answer to Law's character will come through the outcome of his inner conflict ultimate fight. Doflamingo represents the inhumanity of Law's life; Luffy is his humanity. Law saved Luffy through humane compassion, got Luffy to call him a friend, and places absolute faith in Luffy –- the same faith he places in his being able to renounce cruelty and finally be free of his inhumanity. In this chapter, the roles that Luffy and Doflamingo play in Law's narrative were cemented. Law wholeheartedly declares his belief in Luffy (he makes miracles!) and gives the definitive middle finger to Doflamingo. Now, in the most vulnerable spot he's ever been in, Law will lay witness to the physical manifestation of his inner conflict.
! For Luffy, who is hell-bent on never letting someone in his life die again, Law's current state is the fuel he needs to defeat Doflamingo. Law has explained to Luffy why he went after Doflamingo (Kaido plan was a lie) and told him (in 749) of Doflamingo's crime: he killed his own brother. Luffy, having just come back from losing his own brother, has every reason to dislike Doflamingo. Now, with Law (and Bellamy and all of Dressrosa) in harm's way, Luffy is dedicated to finishing Doflamingo, and everything he stands for, off.
! For Doflamingo, Law's allegiance was always about validating his own life choice to stand against the world at large. As he says, he sees himself in Law. But when Corazon feeds Law the Ope-Ope, Doflamingo is angered at how now he must ask Law to die. Even further, he is angered at how Law makes clear that he wants nothing to do with Doflamingo's way of life and his way of being. This is what 752 is entirely devoted to. Doflamingo, though fully capable of ending Law's life at any time, has pulled his punches and reneged on killing Law at every turn, all in the hope that Law will simply agree with him again. Now, Law having finally given Doflamingo the middle finger and professed his devotion to Corazon (his coat, his crew's name, everything), Doflamingo needs to have Law die. His wish for immortality is a way of him wishing to immortalize his ideals: in 761, he tells Luffy humans are savage creatures by nature; in 725 in Momo's flashback, Doflamingo says the same when punishing the gladiators who pulled punches during a colosseum fight. (And of course, the source of Doflamingo's own stance in the story's humane vs. inhumane stems from his father's declaration of humanity, but that's another essay)...
! Thus, the battle to repel Doflamingo, and all of his ideals, is about to start! And Law's fate being in question puts the story's thematic resolution in question. ----> TENSION!Interesting Way of looking at it.
Writer?! @TheGreatestSwordsman:
! > I'm confused. Wouldn't Sabo, Zoro and especially a certain Admiral cut the Birdcage before it kills all the civilians? His priority has been to save everyone.
! Well any indirect contact attacks like Fujitora's would probably be rendered equally sliced like the meteors he calls down. And with the string with sharp edges seemingly at least on the pointing inwards, and outwards, (and probably sharp enough all over); the precise good footing, and space between the string might only prevent glancing blows, not enough to truly break thru. Thus don't think those like Cavendish/ Brook's style would work, because in that case the string might just extend to absorb the strike instead. Because of these^^^^, also think Fujitora, or any1 flying up and cutting it also wouldn't work as it would take too much concentration doing both, plus the positioning would suffer too much to decisively work.
Also not knowing if cutting it might illicit 'a reaction' from the string itself, such as re -growing, re - attaching itself, more strings/ complications, or just striking/ attacking/ parasite- ing whoever cuts it, plus the whole like can only cut it at it's source complication as a reason probably after the fact…
But As I have no idea if Oda will give a suitable explanation until some1 eventually tries. Though in small part Fujitora/ Zoro/ other good enough sword users, even with Pica, have never really been at the edge with nothing else to do so that probably especially factors as well.It's just down to the nature of their Devil Fruits really.
Doffy is able to produce and manipulate seemingly infinite amounts of this awesome string, great for building structures for various purposes.
Luffy's fruit, on the other hand, doesn't have anything along those lines, but does allow for excellent self-modification and maneuverability.
So while Doffy may have blocked a big attack of Luffy's, Luffy was also able to dodge a big attack from Doffy with his (always impressive) speed.
We'll probably see the scales start to tip in Luffy's favour perhaps as soon as the next chapter.
Not only that but when 1's ability requires moving his body to at least swing, and the other requires just flicking/ flickering/ twiddling of fingers for even the more substantial moves; one can see how there's no way he wouldn't, or shouldn't really look "effortless" in comparison.
! Anyone with me?
! I don't think DD deflect Luffy's G3 attack easily, when I see this page…
! [qimg]http://mangabase.co/wp-content/manga/2/778/p_00011.jpg[/qimg]
! 1. Luffy attack DD with G3
2. Before it attack landed, Luffy change his attack, he grab spider web. (simbol !, DD surprised because Luffy change his attack)
! [qimg]http://mangabase.co/wp-content/manga/2/778/p_00012.jpg[/qimg]
! 3. Luffy fly… and attack DD with stronger attack (hawk gatling), but DD manage to evade.I can agree to the possible surprise at Luffy's speed getting through the net, and attacking, but like others have mentioned, sound effects and even the dust/ smoke around DD's strings seem to indicate an actual 'impact'.
But interesting observances I might've missed otherwise, so thanks.
On the topic of Doffy's string- anyone else thinking he may have a maximum limit of string he can make/use? Mayb he took string back from the cage in order to be able to fight Luffy more effectively which caused the cage to shrink. I'm thinking at some point he's going to have to release the cage in order to not get pwned by Luffy if this is true.
Though I was hoping for this at the beginning of the arc, with the inclusion of the BirdCage, which seems betterif it's a bit more autonomously sustainable from DD's direct control; for some reasons like Luffy's credibility, no impending need for direct action interrupting the fight if something goes wrong, ++ seemingly just plain less confusion later about DD's insane multi -tasking ability. Plus those complaining about it seeming fake in the 1st place will just complain it's "temporary danger makes it even more insulting".
@Miss:
You know that old cliche of when the little kid is trying to be rebellious, and they're all like, "I'M GONNA RUN AWAY FOREVER NYA!" to their parents?
That's pretty much how I feel right now. You want to die? Do it, die! Oh don't think I'll miss you, do it. Pack up your bags and GO, mister. I know you're not gonna really do it, but just get on with your little act anyway.I guess this kind of thing plays big in other places, like.. Japan, I guess? Where Law comes second only to clean drinking water, but I'm not quite sure the West feels the same way about him. At least I don't, anyway.
So hurry up your little dramatic dying shtick and pull another Pell, but get on with it.Except the thing about this example is you never know, no matter how well those relatives might think they know their if you get that kid that is that bold/ reckless/ naïve/ stubborn/ curious/ w. e. Etc. enough, or the situation was, or becomes that bad enough, to actually follow thru. Or even they just do it later when they're older, or in a 'worse situation'. Or if they're the type of kid that would then deal with their problems by suicide instead of just physically run away.
Point is, there is always still, even if just a smidgen of a possibility the possiblility of not going as predicted from the usual pattern, from beginning till the definitive end. Something that seems acknowledged by many posts last chapter, despite supposedly "not" believing it was even remotely possible he would be killed; many of those same posts were still littered with ""But/ If/ Then"situations providing they were proven wrong". So even with years of patterns against it, the doubt/ unsure of how the situation will turn out as expected/ possibility of being lured into false sense of familiarity, no matter how tiny still seems present.
Not necessarily directly to you, but you used that cliche, so I used the post…
Most are. The only are we can't really say that about are those that are left nearly completly unexplored.
I just don't like it. The age of dreams and all… I get it, but I still don't like it. And it doesn't fit that much with Whitebeard, who was always in the first place about family and he ends his life with an act that will almost certainly make their situation worse.
Meh, just a personal opinion of mine.
"Was about family" as in a family was 'his dream'. As in having followed that dream despite it's seemingly "non practicality, pretty out of place and awkward in the pirate world" - ness, and looking over the prideful and pleasant end results over having followed said his dreams his way, in his final minutes…
Then giving semi speech that encourages others to chase their dreams...
Don't get what's not "fitting" about it?
Besides by his very death, Ace's death counting somewhat as a demoralizing defeat/ failure of a near final act, for the remaining crew, and BB's existence, he was leaving them pretty bad off anyway.
Doubt his words, or even in his mind, in the limited time he had to think about it,would/ could truly make their situation so notably, terribly worst. -
@LUFFYSMC:
Just out complete curiosity, since I'm drawing a complete blank: "sea monkeys ", where was that?
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@Galaxy:
! [qimg]http://img.mangastream.to/manga/one-piece/304/304-05.png[/qimg]
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-304-page-4.htmlHuh, apparently completely never read that, thanks ( goes off to read).
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The title of this Chap; the heart's curse, is it because the seat of heart always dies??
#VergoConfirmedAsDead??
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The title of this Chap; the heart's curse, is it because the seat of heart always dies??
#VergoConfirmedAsDead??
When it was stated that Vergo is the heart seat?
Anyways, Vergo's fate is unclear to me. Supposedly he should be there, fighting along Doflamingo, but maybe he's trying to outcast Smoker in the Marine Headquarters… maybe... just maybe.
Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it. Even if something can be known about it,knowledge about it can't be communicated to others. Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.
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! I'm baffled by how many people are interpreting Law's situation as a tensionless development.
! As many have pointed out, Law will more than likely survive, but Law being on the verge of death matters more for how it affects Luffy and Doflamingo at the onset of their climactic fight than for what it means for Law. I don't think the story's intention is to fake readers into fearing for Law's life. It's more about adding weight to what the ultimate resolution of the current story (which started in chapter 655) will be.
! The story's current narrative arc, which began with the Straw Hats' arrival to the New World, has largely focused on distinguishing the humane from the inhumane; the story seems to be trying to show us where the line is drawn between these two qualities.
! The story has brought this exploration to light through key characters like Kyros, Caesar, and most importantly Law. Luffy and Doflamingo, of course, stand almost exclusively at opposite sides of these qualities.
! Notably, Caesar and Doflamingo gave a similar speech at the height of their control in their islands. In 689, Caesar wonderfully sets up the story's task; as he describes the unique power he holds through Punk Hazard (P.H.); he goes off about how those that arrive at P.H. can run, can scream, but nobody will come to save them. In 746, as Doflamingo lays out his game, he says the same things to those in Dressrosa–they can scream, they can cry, but nobody is saving them. Ironically, Bird-Cage and Shi-no-Kuni, the manifestations of Doflamingo's and Caesar's powers and wills, trap them as much as they trap their victims. In this way, we see how the inhumane violence that these two spread over their sphere of influence in the world is as damaging to them as it is to others. And yet, it is clear that these two hold a very significant grip on the New World.
! As such, we ask ourselves: why should we choose to act humane when those who act inhumanely can hold all the power?
! Law is very personification of this question. The fate of Law -- his survival or his death -- determines our answer.
! Through Law, we see the struggle that is being compassionate in a cruel world. His backstory speaks for itself. In 762, as Law prepares to stab Corazon, he asks himself why miserable people like Corazon (who for Law at this point symbolizes the cruelty of the world) should live while caring people suffer horrible deaths, like those of his family and friends in Flevance. Law himself is on the fence between humanity and cruelty. In 752, Law says he wants to not be like Doflamingo -- Law wants to escape his association with inhumanity.
! This desire has many aspects. Law is called a monster as a child. By joining with Doflamingo in his childhood, he seeks the same kind of wanton destruction that Doflamingo seeks. All the same, the influence of Corazon deviates him from this path of cruelty and introduces Law to the opposite of his wanton destruction: random kindness and compassion. Corazon saves Law for no other reason than the human feeling of empathy, as he states in 764. Through this relationship built on empathy and kindness, Law manages to prolong his lifespan. He survives his illness and gets to grow up.
! Interestingly, in the present timeline, we are told Law's reputation is one of cruelty. Apoo alludes to this reputation at Sabaody, and again we hear it from the G5 marines upon Law's reintroduction in P.H. in 659. Yet we also see Law act on kindness, both when he takes Jean Bart into his crew (helping him through a lifetime of pursuit from Celestial Dragons) and when he saves Luffy at Marineford. Thus, at present, Law is still very much on the fence between his humane and inhumane qualities.
! The ultimate answer to Law as a character, then, is what kind of person he will ultimately be; this is determined by the resolution to his character arc--the fulfillment of his quest for revenge. When Corazon dies, Corazon cries out for Law's freedom; he wishes more than anything for Law to leave Doflamingo and piracy behind and to simply live a long happy life, free of the inhumanity he suffered as a child. And yet, as Doflamingo poignantly says here in 780, Law has not done that. Law has dedicated his life to the sole pursuit of Doflamingo and piracy. In Law's mind, as he says in 768, he can only be free until Doflamingo dies for his crimes. Yet, like Doflamingo alludes to in this chapter, Law has essentially thrown aside the whole reason why Corazon died in the first place.
! Pulling it all back in to Law's current critical state: this is by far the most tense point of this narrative! Not for whether Law lives or dies, but for what it means if he lives or dies.
! The answer to Law's character will come through the outcome of his inner conflict ultimate fight. Doflamingo represents the inhumanity of Law's life; Luffy is his humanity. Law saved Luffy through humane compassion, got Luffy to call him a friend, and places absolute faith in Luffy –- the same faith he places in his being able to renounce cruelty and finally be free of his inhumanity. In this chapter, the roles that Luffy and Doflamingo play in Law's narrative were cemented. Law wholeheartedly declares his belief in Luffy (he makes miracles!) and gives the definitive middle finger to Doflamingo. Now, in the most vulnerable spot he's ever been in, Law will lay witness to the physical manifestation of his inner conflict.
! For Luffy, who is hell-bent on never letting someone in his life die again, Law's current state is the fuel he needs to defeat Doflamingo. Law has explained to Luffy why he went after Doflamingo (Kaido plan was a lie) and told him (in 749) of Doflamingo's crime: he killed his own brother. Luffy, having just come back from losing his own brother, has every reason to dislike Doflamingo. Now, with Law (and Bellamy and all of Dressrosa) in harm's way, Luffy is dedicated to finishing Doflamingo, and everything he stands for, off.
! For Doflamingo, Law's allegiance was always about validating his own life choice to stand against the world at large. As he says, he sees himself in Law. But when Corazon feeds Law the Ope-Ope, Doflamingo is angered at how now he must ask Law to die. Even further, he is angered at how Law makes clear that he wants nothing to do with Doflamingo's way of life and his way of being. This is what 752 is entirely devoted to. Doflamingo, though fully capable of ending Law's life at any time, has pulled his punches and reneged on killing Law at every turn, all in the hope that Law will simply agree with him again. Now, Law having finally given Doflamingo the middle finger and professed his devotion to Corazon (his coat, his crew's name, everything), Doflamingo needs to have Law die. His wish for immortality is a way of him wishing to immortalize his ideals: in 761, he tells Luffy humans are savage creatures by nature; in 725 in Momo's flashback, Doflamingo says the same when punishing the gladiators who pulled punches during a colosseum fight. (And of course, the source of Doflamingo's own stance in the story's humane vs. inhumane stems from his father's declaration of humanity, but that's another essay)...
! Thus, the battle to repel Doflamingo, and all of his ideals, is about to start! And Law's fate being in question puts the story's thematic resolution in question. ----> TENSION!Never thought of it that way, but very good points. I've always thought there had been some subtle character development for Law, and you put it in a very well thought out way. I must decide if I should do my silly little essay of Law and Rocicante and how they keep stealing Doflamingos "heart".
Don't know why people ask for others to get back on topic, Whether a chapter is considered great or terrible, things go off topic after the first 10 or so pages.
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@Shobu:
When it was stated that Vergo is the heart seat?
Anyways, Vergo's fate is unclear to me. Supposedly he should be there, fighting along Doflamingo, but maybe he's trying to outcast Smoker in the Marine Headquarters… maybe... just maybe.
He was the first one holding the Seat of Corazón, then Rocinante and Law was gonna be the 3rd generation, they always die.
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With all the mess Pica did and the even bigger mess the shrinking cage is doing, seems pretty clear that LittleCherry will use her Restoration to give the country its actual shape, just without the factory.
The shrinking cage hasn't really done anything yet. Since it couldn't be destroyed by anyone is it going to just slice through everything in its path? Or is it Doflamingo's final solution and he has plans to bring everyone closer to kill them all.
We also don't know the limits to Mancherry's powers. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth if she restored the whole island. However it was mentioned she would be used to restore the factory so… I just don't care for her power. It makes every outcome to this arc seem less tense.
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Herpdat your essay has been an incredible read. The insight and thought you put into doing it along with the documentation and support goes to show how deep you dug into the characters to understand them. I would like to nominate this essay for post of the year. No need to say more.
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@LUFFYSMC:
Well any indirect contact attacks like Fujitora's would probably be rendered equally sliced like the meteors he calls down. And with the string with sharp edges seemingly at least on the pointing inwards, and outwards, (and probably sharp enough all over); the precise good footing, and space between the string might only prevent glancing blows, not enough to truly break thru. Thus don't think those like Cavendish/ Brook's style would work, because in that case the string might just extend to absorb the strike instead. Because of these^^^^, also think Fujitora, or any1 flying up and cutting it also wouldn't work as it would take too much concentration doing both, plus the positioning would suffer too much to decisively work.
Also not knowing if cutting it might illicit 'a reaction' from the string itself, such as re -growing, re - attaching itself, more strings/ complications, or just striking/ attacking/ parasite- ing whoever cuts it, plus the whole like can only cut it at it's source complication as a reason probably after the fact…
But As I have no idea if Oda will give a suitable explanation until some1 eventually tries. Though in small part Fujitora/ Zoro/ other good enough sword users, even with Pica, have never really been at the edge with nothing else to do so that probably especially factors as well.Well since Fuji has a sword, I would hope he would have some attacks that use his sword rather than relying on his meteors. Anyways, I am curious to see if Oda goes with the strings are closing in so you better defeat him before that happens plot point, or whether it's relevant to Doflamingo pulling his strings in so he can fight seriously.
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TENSION
Wow man great read. You put it in a way that never really crossed my mind! Oh and so logical too! ;)
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See, I'm somewhat averse to the idea. It's not Luffy winning thanks to his skills, it's Luffy winning thanks to being born special.
And an asspull at that, since we never seen CoC counter devil fruits.
I have this terrible feeling Doffy will forget he even has parasite for the purpoes of this fight…
Well, considering how Luffy has already used CoC to get out of tough situations many a times before, it's a little to late to expect things to change now.
Also, I think one of Blackbeard's crew mates said something about Fate determining the worth of a Person. So, I think it's safe to assume fate will play a big role in the series.
I personally like Luck being a factor in the series, if nicely done.And, it's not like Luffy didn't have to train his CoC. Two years on that island, he was pretty much training in haki.
It isn't like he got all the skills from birth itself. He trained to learn how to control his powers and use them in 1v1 battles.Anyways, CoC being used to counter parasite is a shot in the dark. There is a good chance Mingo will just forget about this move.
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I do own a volume of the Dressrosa arc. I've also reread the arc in bulk a few times. I still feel the same way. It's like Skypeia all over again (again other arc that dragged on entirely too long) and that one I read all at once! (I followed didn't get up to date until Impel Down arc was still running).
Then it must be my fault because I enjoyed Skypiea and I enjoy Dressrosa
But you know, if you actually read the thread, it's not like it was full of high praise…
And you guys get some really special volume releases, or something? Because I have re-read the arc for beginning to end thrice as of now, an I don't see this massive improvement in quality...
We are reading around 800th chapter of shonen manga. It will recycle some idea one way or another, that number also helps getting used to choices of author(at least for me).
As for volume relases - for once art is much much better on paper, setting of pages changes how it feels to read it and for me reading volumes and reading arc online is like comparing reading hand written letter to email letter. Pretty much. But its my personal impression and preference as for me it simply feels a lot different.
Its easier to experience One Piece in volume format, harder to analyze it. Holding something in hands makes it less distant in some ways and faults are not that evident as on pc screen. Thats why for me its not worth to wast too much time to care so much about faults while experience in general is a blast(I know I repeat this opinion).
As for thread not being full of high praise - for some things person has to grow into enjoying them. If minor stuff kills experience then its persons choice to concentrate on easier thing- pointing out faults. If you try to understand author you has to try to put yourself in creative person shoes that is bit more difficult than just seeing how something could be done better or how it feels like an error. To enjoy something more you have to make more of brain to work to understand from author pov and characters pov why things were picked to work how they actually do on manga pages. Its not real world being emulated but something alike to it with its own rules to it. It all depends on approach, same as you can approach life in completely different ways and you have somehow at least bit different experience of it.
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The shrinking cage hasn't really done anything yet. Since it couldn't be destroyed by anyone is it going to just slice through everything in its path? Or is it Doflamingo's final solution and he has plans to bring everyone closer to kill them all.
We also don't know the limits to Mancherry's powers. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth if she restored the whole island. However it was mentioned she would be used to restore the factory so… I just don't care for her power. It makes every outcome to this arc seem less tense.
Pica already leave countless people in the streets without a house to live in, and the shrinking cage is slicing up all of the rest houses and buildings, the local company home insurance won't pay for all that destruction, it covers earthquakes and hurricanes but not Picas, in order to achieve a happy ending LittleCherry must use her Restoration to fix the country from all the destruction caused by the Donquixote Family.
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The title of this Chap; the heart's curse, is it because the seat of heart always dies??
#VergoConfirmedAsDead??
I think it's The seat of Heart always betraying Doflamingo.
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
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I think it's The seat of Heart always betraying Doflamingo.
I dont think that Vergo being most likely Mingos right hand man would ever betray Doflamingo. Especially seeing how mad he gotten when Rosi did betray Doflamingo.
Heart curse is possibly metaphor on how Doflamingo sees love.
People he loved - his father, his brother and somebody who he seen almost like his own son - all by their choices made his life worse or want to end it.So for me "heart curse" is love concept in Doflamingos eyes.
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TENSION!
Wow, that's a really good way to look at the events.
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I think it's The seat of Heart always betraying Doflamingo.
Always??? But it only happened once with Rocinante, Law left the crew and Vergo never betrayed him.
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Always??? But it only happened once with Rocinante, Law left the crew and Vergo never betrayed him.
Law was supposed to give up his life for Doflamingo. Instead, he tried to destroy his entire empire.
Didn't know about Vergo being a Heart seat. So, my mistake.I dont think that Vergo being most likely Mingos right hand man would ever betray Doflamingo. Especially seeing how mad he gotten when Rosi did betray Doflamingo.
Heart curse is possibly metaphor on how Doflamingo sees love.
People he loved - his father, his brother and somebody who he seen almost like his own son - all by their choices made his life worse or want to end it.So for me "heart curse" is love concept in Doflamingos eyes.
Agreed, the love concept does make more sense than the simple seat argument.
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@Galaxy:
You know, I could reply to your post, but after seeing all of this, it'd just be a massive waste of time. It'd just be disregarded as an argument not up to your "level".
If I was disregarding you, I would not be replying.
@Galaxy:
You criticize others for insulting you, but then you do the same nonsense by telling every arguer that you're "talking to a wall", or that they aren't "up to your level" or that they're not "engaging enough for you".
A) You are not every, and you will find that I have engaged plenty of people in actual discussion.
B) I have never, to my knowledge, critisized anybody for not being "up to my level" as you say, unless they were saying genuinly stupid things.
@Galaxy:
So instead, I urge you to reply to Ned_Gutters.
I'm rechecking it. A new possibility has appeared and I'm finding out if it could be true.
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I'm baffled by how many people are interpreting Law's situation as a tensionless development.
! As many have pointed out, Law will more than likely survive, but Law being on the verge of death matters more for how it affects Luffy and Doflamingo at the onset of their climactic fight than for what it means for Law. I don't think the story's intention is to fake readers into fearing for Law's life. It's more about adding weight to what the ultimate resolution of the current story (which started in chapter 655) will be.
! The story's current narrative arc, which began with the Straw Hats' arrival to the New World, has largely focused on distinguishing the humane from the inhumane; the story seems to be trying to show us where the line is drawn between these two qualities.
! The story has brought this exploration to light through key characters like Kyros, Caesar, and most importantly Law. Luffy and Doflamingo, of course, stand almost exclusively at opposite sides of these qualities.
! Notably, Caesar and Doflamingo gave a similar speech at the height of their control in their islands. In 689, Caesar wonderfully sets up the story's task; as he describes the unique power he holds through Punk Hazard (P.H.); he goes off about how those that arrive at P.H. can run, can scream, but nobody will come to save them. In 746, as Doflamingo lays out his game, he says the same things to those in Dressrosa–they can scream, they can cry, but nobody is saving them. Ironically, Bird-Cage and Shi-no-Kuni, the manifestations of Doflamingo's and Caesar's powers and wills, trap them as much as they trap their victims. In this way, we see how the inhumane violence that these two spread over their sphere of influence in the world is as damaging to them as it is to others. And yet, it is clear that these two hold a very significant grip on the New World.
! As such, we ask ourselves: why should we choose to act humane when those who act inhumanely can hold all the power?
! Law is very personification of this question. The fate of Law -- his survival or his death -- determines our answer.
! Through Law, we see the struggle that is being compassionate in a cruel world. His backstory speaks for itself. In 762, as Law prepares to stab Corazon, he asks himself why miserable people like Corazon (who for Law at this point symbolizes the cruelty of the world) should live while caring people suffer horrible deaths, like those of his family and friends in Flevance. Law himself is on the fence between humanity and cruelty. In 752, Law says he wants to not be like Doflamingo -- Law wants to escape his association with inhumanity.
! This desire has many aspects. Law is called a monster as a child. By joining with Doflamingo in his childhood, he seeks the same kind of wanton destruction that Doflamingo seeks. All the same, the influence of Corazon deviates him from this path of cruelty and introduces Law to the opposite of his wanton destruction: random kindness and compassion. Corazon saves Law for no other reason than the human feeling of empathy, as he states in 764. Through this relationship built on empathy and kindness, Law manages to prolong his lifespan. He survives his illness and gets to grow up.
! Interestingly, in the present timeline, we are told Law's reputation is one of cruelty. Apoo alludes to this reputation at Sabaody, and again we hear it from the G5 marines upon Law's reintroduction in P.H. in 659. Yet we also see Law act on kindness, both when he takes Jean Bart into his crew (helping him through a lifetime of pursuit from Celestial Dragons) and when he saves Luffy at Marineford. Thus, at present, Law is still very much on the fence between his humane and inhumane qualities.
! The ultimate answer to Law as a character, then, is what kind of person he will ultimately be; this is determined by the resolution to his character arc--the fulfillment of his quest for revenge. When Corazon dies, Corazon cries out for Law's freedom; he wishes more than anything for Law to leave Doflamingo and piracy behind and to simply live a long happy life, free of the inhumanity he suffered as a child. And yet, as Doflamingo poignantly says here in 780, Law has not done that. Law has dedicated his life to the sole pursuit of Doflamingo and piracy. In Law's mind, as he says in 768, he can only be free until Doflamingo dies for his crimes. Yet, like Doflamingo alludes to in this chapter, Law has essentially thrown aside the whole reason why Corazon died in the first place.
! Pulling it all back in to Law's current critical state: this is by far the most tense point of this narrative! Not for whether Law lives or dies, but for what it means if he lives or dies.
! The answer to Law's character will come through the outcome of his inner conflict ultimate fight. Doflamingo represents the inhumanity of Law's life; Luffy is his humanity. Law saved Luffy through humane compassion, got Luffy to call him a friend, and places absolute faith in Luffy –- the same faith he places in his being able to renounce cruelty and finally be free of his inhumanity. In this chapter, the roles that Luffy and Doflamingo play in Law's narrative were cemented. Law wholeheartedly declares his belief in Luffy (he makes miracles!) and gives the definitive middle finger to Doflamingo. Now, in the most vulnerable spot he's ever been in, Law will lay witness to the physical manifestation of his inner conflict.
! For Luffy, who is hell-bent on never letting someone in his life die again, Law's current state is the fuel he needs to defeat Doflamingo. Law has explained to Luffy why he went after Doflamingo (Kaido plan was a lie) and told him (in 749) of Doflamingo's crime: he killed his own brother. Luffy, having just come back from losing his own brother, has every reason to dislike Doflamingo. Now, with Law (and Bellamy and all of Dressrosa) in harm's way, Luffy is dedicated to finishing Doflamingo, and everything he stands for, off.
! For Doflamingo, Law's allegiance was always about validating his own life choice to stand against the world at large. As he says, he sees himself in Law. But when Corazon feeds Law the Ope-Ope, Doflamingo is angered at how now he must ask Law to die. Even further, he is angered at how Law makes clear that he wants nothing to do with Doflamingo's way of life and his way of being. This is what 752 is entirely devoted to. Doflamingo, though fully capable of ending Law's life at any time, has pulled his punches and reneged on killing Law at every turn, all in the hope that Law will simply agree with him again. Now, Law having finally given Doflamingo the middle finger and professed his devotion to Corazon (his coat, his crew's name, everything), Doflamingo needs to have Law die. His wish for immortality is a way of him wishing to immortalize his ideals: in 761, he tells Luffy humans are savage creatures by nature; in 725 in Momo's flashback, Doflamingo says the same when punishing the gladiators who pulled punches during a colosseum fight. (And of course, the source of Doflamingo's own stance in the story's humane vs. inhumane stems from his father's declaration of humanity, but that's another essay)...Thus, the battle to repel Doflamingo, and all of his ideals, is about to start! And Law's fate being in question puts the story's thematic resolution in question. –--> TENSION!
Pretty please with sugar on top - write more of those every time you will feel need of sharing thoughts on One Piece
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I dont think that Vergo being most likely Mingos right hand man would ever betray Doflamingo. Especially seeing how mad he gotten when Rosi did betray Doflamingo.
Heart curse is possibly metaphor on how Doflamingo sees love.
People he loved - his father, his brother and somebody who he seen almost like his own son - all by their choices made his life worse or want to end it.So for me "heart curse" is love concept in Doflamingos eyes.
Now I can see Yaoi pics incoming with Vergo's bamboo stick and DoFlas's string on a heart seat
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Now I can see Yaoi pics incoming with Vergo's bamboo stick and DoFlas's string on a heart seat
Thanks for that image,but I'm not surprised if there is Dolflamingo x Vergo porn out there
I still, have no idea what I'm doing
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TENSION!
Wow! Great perspective! I´ve never seen it that way. Puts a new light into my perspective…
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If I call myself a murder without killing anyone does that make me a murder?we all now puffy isnt really a pirate he just defends himself from marines and defends the innocent, something the marines should be doing
Sorry doesn't work that way, Luffy and his crew are criminals that's for sure… Luffy has fought, attacked and declared war on world government/officials that alone is a crime.
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@Farsighted:
Thanks for that image,but I'm not surprised if there is Dolflamingo x Vergo porn out there
You're 3 years late.
There's Capone/Killer porn for crying out loud.
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Doesn't Jora explanation kinda of gives a hint on how Dofla stops people movement?
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Try and picture Sanji in the middle or center of this spider web while all the strings are attached to all his body then make it invisible
"Just like a bug stuck in a spiders web", doesn't this mean Dofla does the invisble version of his spider web and people like Jozu and Sanji being in center of it makes them unable to move? It was strong enough to stop elephant gun so it's possible.
Big MoM ate - 2012
CC for nakama.
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Your argument is unsubstantial, because in it the person posseses knowledge, but not means.
Proper argument would be: My neighbor has studied particle physics. He is fully capable of building the bomb thanks to having necessary materials and tools. He is going to tell the entire world that he is fully capable of doing just that.
Also, revealing secrets that treatens national security is crime. You go in prison for it. IN THE FIRST WORLD DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES!
So yeah, if someone posses sensitive informations and reveals it, we put him in jail. This is something that happens.
Sorry, I might have missed the chapter when Robin stated that she wants to collect and reveal the threatening information to the world.
I thought she just learned the language to be part of the "family" / scientist of Ohara.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but she doesn't have any sensitive information so far. She has never seen the Riu poneglyph. So she has wether the materials nor the means.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
1. Robin, just as other Oharans, was actively searching for the Poneglyphs, some of which contained information to resurrect Ancient Weapons.
2. Robin could have told Crocodile the location of Pluton. How would that have ended?1. She has never searched for poneglyphs. It was Croc. (also look at 2.)
2. That's what happens when you chase innocent people. They are forced to side with criminal outlaws who are strong enough to protect them. -
The answer to Law's character will come through the outcome of his inner conflict ultimate fight. Doflamingo represents the inhumanity of Law's life; Luffy is his humanity. Law saved Luffy through humane compassion, got Luffy to call him a friend, and places absolute faith in Luffy –- the same faith he places in his being able to renounce cruelty and finally be free of his inhumanity. In this chapter, the roles that Luffy and Doflamingo play in Law's narrative were cemented. Law wholeheartedly declares his belief in Luffy (he makes miracles!) and gives the definitive middle finger to Doflamingo. Now, in the most vulnerable spot he's ever been in, Law will lay witness to the physical manifestation of his inner conflict.
For Luffy, who is hell-bent on never letting someone in his life die again, Law's current state is the fuel he needs to defeat Doflamingo. Law has explained to Luffy why he went after Doflamingo (Kaido plan was a lie) and told him (in 749) of Doflamingo's crime: he killed his own brother. Luffy, having just come back from losing his own brother, has every reason to dislike Doflamingo. Now, with Law (and Bellamy and all of Dressrosa) in harm's way, Luffy is dedicated to finishing Doflamingo, and everything he stands for, off.
Great stuff, derphat! I love it when people give well written, well thought-out analysis.
That struggle between the two extremes that Luffy and Doflamingo embody really extends beyond just Law. We see how Bellamy had a choice between the two and chose the wrong hero because he was young and stupid and didn't have someone like Luffy to look up to. In that respect, Doflamingo represents sadism and disdain for humanity while Luffy represents kindness and respect for others.
Likewise, there's a similar contrast between Riku, who puts his faith in Luffy as his champion, and Doflamingo as the chosen ruler of Dressrosa. By and large, the people choose peace and poverty over the wealth and fear Doflamingo offers.
What does this all mean? Time and again different people are offered the choice between Doflamingo and a more humane alternative, and they almost always turn away from him. Even Bellamy, who nominally stayed loyal to Doflamingo, did it more out of respect for himself than admiration of Doflamingo. These actions damage Doflamingo in two ways. First, for someone who believes humans are scum and ruled by selfishness, all these inner conflicts result in the rejection of the more bestial emotions in stead of human dignity. Second, Doflamingo places immense value on loyalty and family. As his loyal family falls, it's those who have turned away from him who are still standing and fighting him.
On some level, he has to question what that loyalty's worth and how accurate his view of the world is. Worse still, once Trebol falls he'll be on his own again, hated by everyone and with the whole island out to get him. Those are some of his deep fears and they're about to become real, but this time he's strong enough to hurt them like they hurt him.
I can't wait till Doflamingo really snaps. He'll be the beast then.
