And if Floyd Mayweather had bricks in his gloves he'd knock people out.
I hate those kind of yeah but what if X scenarios. It is what it is, no more and no less.
Way to pick out the smallest point out of my paragraph.
Chapter 734: "Rommel's Whirlwind"
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Way to pick out the smallest point out of my paragraph.
What if Zoro had to fight with a knitting needle. Then he'd probably lose to Ryuma
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It still depends on whether you believe Rebecca was in an inescapable pinch before Hakuba. Since the rest of block D didn't happen we can't know, but there was nothing overt to suggest she couldn't have won the block despite the constraints on her (i.e. not directly hurting her opponents and not being excessively more powerful than them.) I say overt because I foresee nit-pickers rushing to exert their interpretations of Rebecca and Cavendish's relative strength. For something to really be a deus ex machina there needs to be some manner of apparently insurmountable peril, and there wasn't.
@Spam286:It still depends on whether you believe Rebecca was in an inescapable pinch before Hakuba. Since the rest of block D didn't happen we can't know, but there was nothing overt to suggest she couldn't have won the block despite the constraints on her (i.e. not directly hurting her opponents and not being excessively more powerful than them.) I say overt because I foresee nit-pickers rushing to exert their interpretations of Rebecca and Cavendish's relative strength. For something to really be a deus ex machina there needs to be some manner of apparently insurmountable peril, and there wasn't.
Right, so he was doing fine, but he also wasn't doing anything noteworthy. Palpitoad is trying to suggest that Rebecca stood absolutely no chance against him by pointing out that Rebecca hasn't been able to take out any named members of block D. My argument is that Cavendish hasn't either and there must be a reason for that. My suggestion is that he's not as strong as all that. It's fine to say that he doesn't need to for narrative reasons, but what is the in-universe reason? If he's that much more powerful than Rebecca then he should be dominating, but he wasn't. Why?
And there comes the biased arguments: Rebecca was actually heavily panting from fighting the different fodders( something that doesn't happen to big fish nomally) there and seems to be running out of breathe. Plus she was force to move away from the edge and that means having more troubling applying her style which consist of defending and sending you on the pond. She was even using an ally. Se really didn't seems in control and seemed to lack the stamina to keep up for the whole round plus having a style quite tricky to use.
But I'm actually more leaning to Haruka taking everyone out so she doesn't have to break her promise to her mother.But the thing is we don't see what Cavendish was doing. But if TV was focusing on him it must be for a reason. And actually except for Burguess who seems to have personally crushed everyone in his block no one makes some super flashy move because he is a top contender. Even Chinjao CoC just knock a couple of people. Lets not forget they were only 20 left meaning 117 defeated persons. You are a top contender by how easily you take out most of those in your group and Cavendish was doing that.
Block D was definitely a big let-down.
Seeing Orlumbus again I am asking myself if he isn't going to play some important role.
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I would like to know why people find it so difficult to spell Hakuba correctly.
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I would like to know why people find it so difficult to spell Hakuba correctly.
I've already seen:
Hakuma
Haruma
Haruka
Habuka
HamukaLaziness, I guess.
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So is Hakuba Cavendish or
Is Cavendish Hakuba? This question is giving me nightmares.
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I've already seen:
Hakuma
Haruma
Haruka
Habuka
HamukaLaziness, I guess.
I'm just waiting for this to continue and become a sort of running gag or something
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Hambuka and his horse Faluluru
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….Hakuba Matata.
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The Rebecca hate. I just don't understand.
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The Rebecca hate. I just don't understand.
Rebecca is new Law. She gets all the hate,while he sits in a comfy chair.
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The Rebecca hate. I just don't understand.
Because.. She is… too naked.. And, personnaly, I think that coliseum fighters with actual gladiator style have no personality
Plus, it's unfair to see her win without even fighting.But I have one question
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4827/one-piece_ch232_by_null/8 last panel.
I wonder if Sugars ability is actually responsible for creating a rumor like that. You know suddenly having huge bounty posters of ppl you never heard about. Just a thought
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Again, you're trying to dodge the original point of my argument: that the victory serves no purpose because we as an audience know that Rebecca has not gotten anywhere closer to her goal, nor has she grown as a character. Hence, bad writing. Again, I'd assume getting beaten half to death by Jesus Burgess would be considered "losing something", and if for whatever reason she escapes the round unscathed because Sabo decided to bend over for her, it's again unbelievable writing.
True, it's better to have Cavendish to advance to the next round. Rebecca have no relevance for futher story, she should be locked up in the prison with the other injured gladiators, i mean, who is she? Cavendish have more importance in this arc, we all know that as soon he got introduced.
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Because.. She is… too naked.. And, personnaly, I think that coliseum fighters with actual gladiator style have no personality
Plus, it's unfair to see her win without even fighting.But I have one question
Is the 280 millions berries bounty the Cavendish's one or the Hakuba's one ?Consider Cavendish one entity. He's already freakishly powerful without Hakuba judging from the way he jabbed at Luffy and Don Chinjao. Hakuba is like luffy's gear second, only a more ferocious and less merciful…on another footnote, is Hakuba faster than Luffy in terms of this?? I wonder, he took out everyone in an instant, which is pretty crazy.
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Pre time skip jet punch is already pretty effective and fast
Yeah I think Luffy is faster
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Because.. She is… too naked.. And, personnaly, I think that coliseum fighters with actual gladiator style have no personality
Plus, it's unfair to see her win without even fighting.That last sentence makes it sound like she didn't fight at all.
She did, there is a reason she was one of the last 20 left out of 130 fighters before Hakuba appeared.
Sure maybe Cavendish may take her out if he didn't fall asleep.
But its not Rebecca's fault that Cavendish couldn't go farther without Hakuba appearing and taking himself out as well as the other fighters.Was it just the way it was phrased? Did you mean to imply she wasn't attacking jut defending?
I don't see a problem with that as there are several martial arts that focus on redirection of the opponents own force.
to quote one discussion about self defence
"Akido and Judo both use the opponent's force against them through redirection.
Judo tends to focus on joint locks, while Akido focus is on redirection using minimal force. "I can see Rebecca using her sword on redirecting her opponent's attack. This still takes skill- know-how of the sword, situational awareness (which could be the real reason of her avoiding loosing her head, not CoO), and speed.
She trained to be able to do that, so I don't think its a cheep win.
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Oh yeah, I meant "attacking", sorry
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This isn't some feminist point that I was making. She got hit in the helmet and if she didn't have it on, she would have likely been KO'ed. She had that same person attack only twice (?) until everyone but her was taken out, then he conveniently didn't bother to attack anymore but slept. That's a massive plot device. Her CoO and speed obviously played a part in her not getting taken out in those two hits, but it was one of the only ways for her to go through the round and potentially win it the next round since the other 3 will be focused on one another if it's a free for all.
Her sob story simply has not connected with me at all. Her sister is another story, same with her father, who I find more interesting.. especially Violet. Rebecca is simply far too boring and the way she won the round made her unlikable at this point.
I don't think Rebecca's story is is incredibly amazing either, but this at least made sense with the situation, plus this whole thing didn't look down upon her character at all. Also, don't you think Bartolomeo's power was also a cheap plot device, in that case, considering he was messing around the whole time and didn't really take out anyone, with Elizabello also ending up useless before he took him out? Isn't it a little too convinient of a power in the same way? The reason why I don't think her not being taken out wasn't cheap was because of her skill, if that hadn't been there, then it would have been cheap. She has a limit, but isn't useless. All the winners have been shown to be capable with the special powers they have.
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my review of chapter 734
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deus ex machina (via Wikipedia): "a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object". A seemingly impossible problem (Rebecca winning block D despite being incapable of taking out the likes of Rolling Logan, let alone a monster like Cavendish) is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of a character and event (Cavendish suddenly becomes Hakuba, takes out literally every one of Rebecca's opponents for her, then lies down and takes a nap himself to get rid of another character she has 0 chance of beating in a legitimate fight). Looks like the textbook definition of deus ex machina to me.
This has already been discussed in the past few pages but anyhow …
It is deus ex machina, but that's not an issue, is it? Rebecca was surviving on her own ... and she got lucky. Block D was NOT in main focus for any of it, unlike B and C, so the mechanism by which it concluded is not actually that important. As it is, it serves to take Rebecca forward (which we can presume will lead to an interesting situation, as she is actually a super important character in this arc, unlike all the others in the colosseum), AND it reveals Cavendish's other personality, which I don't believe will be wholly insignificant from here on out.
A pyrrhic victory is basically a victory that might as well be a defeat: Rebecca wins block D, but she's going to be pummeled by Jesus Burgess in the next round instead, which I'd imagine is going to do a whole lot more damage than what anyone in block D could pull off. She may as well have lost already. And if by some miracle Rebecca does win, then chances are slim to none that this is accomplished without employing deus ex. In which case, my original point about Rebecca being poorly handled plot wise still stands.
It's not really a pyrrhic victory, but anyways, the point is not whether or not Rebecca wins overall … on that basis, it was pointless to show us Block B, as Barto is obviously not going to trump Sabo and Burgess. And it was pointless to show us Block C, because Luffy left the tournament ... ?
Rebecca's story is supposed to be a key point. With Luffy gone from the colosseum, that's the main thing (in terms of the arc-story) that's happening in the colosseum. Rebecca losing will be far more interesting than her winning, because it will be presented in a sympathetic light.
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Rommel's Whirlwind is likely a reference to the German Field Marshal, Erwin Rommel.
He got nicknamed "Wüstenfuchs" (desert fox) due to his campaigns in North Africa.
"In the desert, Rommel's pace was as furious as a driving sandstorm. He directed his panzers from the front lines, oblivious to cracking shellfire and the threat of capture, protected by what his soldiers called "a sixth sense". His split-second instinct under fire often violated textbook principles of military tactics and threw his enemy into confusion. He was a master of the unexpected, with a gift for improvisation."
Yeah the first thing I thought when I read "Rommel's Whirlwind" was "Desert Fox" but the connection seems to be kind of tenuous :p
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Yeah the first thing I thought when I read "Rommel's Whirlwind" was "Desert Fox" but the connection seems to be kind of tenuous :p
To add to the speculation, we can say that The real Rommel wished to garner attention about what he believed to be the real landing of D-day but was ignored. JUst as Cavendish wants attention but others get it.
He also had far more skill than his superiors thought he had, military at least.
If Cavendish was from north blue I would say there is a stronger connection to Europe in which I personally feel has more of a european aspect than the other blues.
Of course this is all just me being bored and attempting to create connections were none are.:ninja:
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/4827/one-piece_ch232_by_null/8 last panel.
I wonder if Sugars ability is actually responsible for creating a rumor like that. You know suddenly having huge bounty posters of ppl you never heard about. Just a thoughtCavendish's bounty isn't a rumor but a fact, besides we've never heard anything about Kaidou's first mate/commander/official and this guy got for sure and even higger bounty.
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Cavendish's bounty isn't a rumor but a fact, besides we've never heard anything about Kaidou's first mate/commander/official and this guy got for sure and even higger bounty.
who said anything about cavendish's/Kaidou's etc bounty? read again
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I don't think Rebecca's story is is incredibly amazing either, but this at least made sense with the situation, plus this whole thing didn't look down upon her character at all. Also, don't you think Bartolomeo's power was also a cheap plot device, in that case, considering he was messing around the whole time and didn't really take out anyone, with Elizabello also ending up useless before he took him out? Isn't it a little too convinient of a power in the same way? The reason why I don't think her not being taken out wasn't cheap was because of her skill, if that hadn't been there, then it would have been cheap. She has a limit, but isn't useless. All the winners have been shown to be capable with the special powers they have.
Bartolomeo was clearly stronger than everybody else and this was already established before the round began when he took out a Vice Admiral. It was always going to end one way. If he didn't have that fruit, he would have likely taken Elizabello out instead of screwing around. I would imagine his fruit is what allows him to troll most people he comes across with. If he is paired up with Burgess, I really doubt he would be pissing on the side of the arena during the fight, don't you agree? The winners have won because they're noticeably stronger than the competition, except Rebecca who had the noticeably stronger character the entire job for her, then he went asleep. She deserves credit for seeing or at least knowing to move if she can't see the attack on two occasions, despite getting hit in the head during one of Cavendish's attacks. The problem with her skill/fighting style is that it doesn't really allow her to take out big fighters with that style, something very particular had to happen for her to get away with not handling any of them.
Anyways, I'm over it now. There is a small glimmer of hope that she gets Videl'd (there's always hope), and a bigger chance of her winning the whole thing or still eating the fruit despite having a terrible fighting style. The Mera Mera no mi going to her would be quite the troll move from Oda.
Somebody also stated that while she was getting beaten, the memories of the crowd comes back and it turns from them feeling bad for her to them cheering for her, which is a pretty good theory and at the moment looks like the likeliest scenario. However this arc in particular has been full of surprises so we will have to wait and see. -
In this chapter, Burgess says it's now finals.
So, I guess it's now a 5 men (4 men 1 woman, if you will) battle royal with Diamante in the mix?
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deus ex machina (via Wikipedia): "a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object". A seemingly impossible problem (Rebecca winning block D despite being incapable of taking out the likes of Rolling Logan, let alone a monster like Cavendish) is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of a character and event (Cavendish suddenly becomes Hakuba, takes out literally every one of Rebecca's opponents for her, then lies down and takes a nap himself to get rid of another character she has 0 chance of beating in a legitimate fight). Looks like the textbook definition of deus ex machina to me.
Croc and Enel underestimated Luffy because they deemed themselves superior while fighting him, as they had clear advantages at first, then Luffy suddenly displayed a trait they'd never seen before. That's what surprised them. At no point did Rebecca show any feat that indicates she's in the same stratosphere as Luffy, unless you count getting pinned down by someone that's eating to be "equal". The reason Rebecca was in awe about Luffy's ability, and the others were not, is because Rebecca isn't in the same league as these monsters. I don't see how you could possibly argue otherwise.
but it's not deus ex machina,because before now,we didn't know anything about both cavendish and rebecca..before the beginning of the arc we don't even now they existed..so evry new info we receive about them it's not a deus ex machina,just part of the story.It's not like madara in naruto that uses susanoo without having eyes,invaliding the rile what was established until that point,there were no rules to begin with,because we are descovering the characters in this arc.
saying that rebecca won because of a deus ex machina,it's the same as say that bartolomeo won because of a deus ex machina,or that akainu finished the war as a "magma terminator" because of a deus ex machina…everything can be seeing as a deus ex machina if you ignore that we didn't know anything about the characters in the first place.
think about it..oda had ,when we were reading punk hazard,already the entire script of dressrosa on his desk...so if he wanted to make rebecca win but realized he couldn't,he just had to make rebecca a bit stronger in the story...he didn't need a contrived why to make her win. -
Burgess will make of Diamante what his name tells us, the force Diamante will be hit with is so large that his teeth will be turned into diamonds and he will be in need of some LSD to remove the pain.
Fire is hot, so are ladies. Sorry Sanji lovers, a mera mera no mi lady will join and melt his heart 
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Because.. She is… too naked.. And, personnaly, I think that coliseum fighters with actual gladiator style have no personality
Plus, it's unfair to see her win without even fighting.Well there is not really much she can do about this. You know how the rules are in the Oda verse. As long the woman is attractive it is absolutely forbidden for her to engage in any real hardcore melee fightning against men
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Burgess will make of Diamante what his name tells us, the force Diamante will be hit with is so large that his teeth will be turned into diamonds and he will be in need of some LSD to remove the pain.
Or maybe Diamante will show that tiny legged luchador that he may be a wrestling champion…
...But he isn't a hero.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Great Chapter. I wouldnt have never imagined that Block D would end like this. I dont like Rebecca as the Winner of this Round and I think she will win the Finals, but how this will happen in the Future is a Secret that I cant explain.
My theory about the "Jekyll and Hide" thing: The Vice-Admiral said that this guy made his appearance everywhere when Cavendish showed up. I dont get it 100 % but has it been said that he got a second personaltiy or is it still a Mystery? Is it possible that his Sword got a curse (Like Zoros Sword) and everytime when he want it (If hes able to control it) would this curse turn into a Mask and control the guy who oscillate this Sword? Zoro got multiple Heads, Hands, Swords with Asura. I remember the fight between Ichigo and Byakuya. When Ichigo was nearly beaten, the mask appeared and beated the shit out of Byakuya. With the Sword of Cavendish it looks so much equal then that.
But if it isnt in the Sword, just something like a parasite which nestles in a Human Body with good fighting Abilities, I would love it when Cavendish and Luffy meet again, the parasite hikes somehow to Luffy and later, when Dofla is (maybe) about to beat Luffy, the mask appears and Boooom :DJust some thoughts.
it's a theory that's running around, what we know is that when cavendish sleeps, some alter ego persona (hakuba) takes over for an undefinite time.
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Or maybe Diamante will show that tiny legged luchador that he may be a wrestling champion…
...But he isn't a hero.
And he also isn't a genius.
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And he also isn't a genius.
He'll show him that he's nothing but a leg day skipping, mask wearing, gun showing, beard growing douche.
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Bartolomeo was clearly stronger than everybody else and this was already established before the round began when he took out a Vice Admiral. It was always going to end one way. If he didn't have that fruit, he would have likely taken Elizabello out instead of screwing around. I would imagine his fruit is what allows him to troll most people he comes across with. If he is paired up with Burgess, I really doubt he would be pissing on the side of the arena during the fight, don't you agree? The winners have won because they're noticeably stronger than the competition, except Rebecca who had the noticeably stronger character the entire job for her, then he went asleep. She deserves credit for seeing or at least knowing to move if she can't see the attack on two occasions, despite getting hit in the head during one of Cavendish's attacks. The problem with her skill/fighting style is that it doesn't really allow her to take out big fighters with that style, something very particular had to happen for her to get away with not handling any of them.
Anyways, I'm over it now. There is a small glimmer of hope that she gets Videl'd (there's always hope), and a bigger chance of her winning the whole thing or still eating the fruit despite having a terrible fighting style. The Mera Mera no mi going to her would be quite the troll move from Oda.
Somebody also stated that while she was getting beaten, the memories of the crowd comes back and it turns from them feeling bad for her to them cheering for her, which is a pretty good theory and at the moment looks like the likeliest scenario. However this arc in particular has been full of surprises so we will have to wait and see.Yeah, she's capable in her own way, but has limits that's basically it. We know that she is a little bit slower than Hakuba and that she can throw their opponents strength back at them if I'm not mistaken.
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After this chapter, I'm starting to think that Cavendish will be the one fighting Bastille, instead of Zoro or Kin'emon.
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LMFAO I KNOW RIGHT i was thinking the same thing man
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Regardless of how it's broken down…
...Diamante is coming for the block winners...
...SOON.
I simply cant wait for it.
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Burgess will make of Diamante what his name tells us, the force Diamante will be hit with is so large that his teeth will be turned into diamonds and he will be in need of some LSD to remove the pain.
the hype is too much, he has to have a trick. U cant watch luffy and chinjao haoshoku clash and stay chill as fuck without having a cheap trick to win, or being a freaking monster.
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I am really curious about how the finals will be handled because I simply can't see Burgess going down now. Specially knowing that no SH will be involved in it.
Maybe he will lose by a ring-out when attacking Rebecca and will get out of the Coliseum laughing about it.
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Wouldn't call yourself much of a fighter if you're getting juked out of the ring, unless that person happens to be ridiculously fast and is intentionally using that strategy to defeat you.She uses less energy that way and that gives her more endurance which is exactly what she needed in that type of brawl. We'll see how she handles being in a more direct confrontation next round.
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Okay..
I can understand people not liking Becca and all, but trying to write her off as the worst and weakest character ever is kinda going too far. :L
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Okay..
I can understand people not liking Becca and all, but trying to write her off as the worst and weakest character ever is kinda going too far. :L
People can't stand the fact that a woman might be stronger than male characters.
