To be fair, not many people know shit about history.
I would be surprised if I talked to a random person and they knew what Byzantium was, let alone whether it was Greek, Roman, or Turkish.
To be fair, not many people know shit about history.
I would be surprised if I talked to a random person and they knew what Byzantium was, let alone whether it was Greek, Roman, or Turkish.
@Monkey:
The Greek cultural territory was the core, and the capital of Eastern Roman Empire. Not a Latin one.
Though at first it may have been more distinctly Roman, it eventually was unquestionably a Greek entity culturally. Greek was the languages, Greek were the rulers, nobility, and core population. Greek was the church it swayed on.You wouldn't know those places as Greece or Turkey if it weren't because of the people who live there currently.
The purely geographical name for what you're calling Turkey is "Anatolia" or "Asia Minor" anyway.
Hmkay, thanks. That makes sense of everything.
To be fair, not many people know shit about history.
I would be surprised if I talked to a random person and they knew what Byzantium was, let alone whether it was Greek, Roman, or Turkish.
Public schools here bitchslap the students with History lessons since the third year of Elementary. You have the opportunity to get away in the 2nd year of HS, or if you are masochistic like me, you demand for the extreme bitchslapping History course.
Our history lessons breezed past anything that wasn't WW2, and the French revolution
But humanities aren't really in vogue around here. It doesn't generate money hence it's thought of as having no real purpose
So y'know i'm pretty sure that what Crys said about people not knowing of Byzantium rings true
LOL I love this thread
RE: random religious debate, not that I know anything about religion woohoo, firstly calling the bible a fairy book just makes you look like an ass, even if you don't believe (I am the least religious person ever) there's no need to get all high and mighty about it. Seriously if everyone just accepted "I believe this. You believe that. And it's OKAY that we don't think the same" - how much strife would be avoided?? This is the thing about religion that just rubs me up the wrong way… why do people feel the need to force their beliefs on others? :wassat:
About women/Christianity... To be honest, my understanding is that Christianity did have an effect on the way women were viewed. I have an idea that previously, when "pagan deities" were worshipped, the role of women (this is very vague, I'm just talking about Greece here) was more revered - by that I mean the place of women as the "life giver" or a symbol of fertility meant that they were viewed with some kind of respect, while being considered "the other". Christianity on the other hand reinforces this idea that women are dangerous temptations to men, and their position became one of inferiority.
Maybe this is a jaded view. I don't know all that much about it so I'm happy to be enlightened by people who have actually studied this :P
Ah yes Pagan Greek religion, where the lead god turned into animals and raped women.
@wolfwoof:
Our history lessons breezed past anything that wasn't WW2, and the French revolution
But humanities aren't really in vogue around here. It doesn't generate money hence it's thought of as having no real purpose
So y'know i'm pretty sure that what Crys said about people not knowing of Byzantium rings true
I am a bit disappointed to hear History isn't that big in your schools. I was equally disappointed about learning the same thing on Geography in the USA, which is a major subject from 3rd grade until the last year of Junior High School. I wonder what lessons can cover all that teaching space Geo and History take up… We need a thread to compare all the different Courses from all over the world.
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@Monkey:
Ah yes Pagan Greek religion, where the lead god turned into animals and raped women.
Gotta love Zeus' love adventures.
lol I was thinking about that as a wrote it actually… There is a lot of rape in Greek mythology O__o
Did I totally imagine that women used to be viewed differently, as in their role in fertility celebrated rather than "shameful" like in Christianity? I'm trying to remember a Classics lesson from four years ago, I SWEAR someone said something along those lines... women were already pretty much confined to the home at that point though so their role in daily life didn't go through much of a change :\
@Monkey:
Ah yes Pagan Greek religion, where the lead god turned into animals and raped women.
Zeus never knew how to hold himself did he?lol
@Monkey:
Ah yes Pagan Greek religion, where the lead god turned into animals and raped women.
I still preffer that to New Testament christianity. First off, the fact the Gods are all assholes perfectly explains why bad shit goes down, instead of it being cause "Mysterious ways yo".
Also discussions of Greek mythology are actually interested. As compared to any major dispute and discussions within mainline Christianity. Can't think of any, but I remember reading about some asinine and pointless arguments that were treated as "serious theological problems".
@indigo~ink:
lol I was thinking about that as a wrote it actually… There is a lot of rape in Greek mythology O__o
Did I totally imagine that women used to be viewed differently, as in their role in fertility celebrated rather than "shameful" like in Christianity? I'm trying to remember a Classics lesson from four years ago, I SWEAR someone said something along those lines... women were already pretty much confined to the home at that point though so their role in daily life didn't go through much of a change :\
I think trying to pin these sorts of cultural views on the religion of the moment is missing the picture.
Even today you can take different cultures that have the same religion and see big cultural differences.
Or throughout history as well.
A Catholic in Connecticut and a Catholic in the Philippines probably have NOTHING in common in how they view their religion for instance.
Religion is merely justification for the views that people already had.
Like, I doubt that religious conservatives are sexist BECAUSE of their theology.
@Monkey:
I think trying to pin these sorts of cultural views on the religion of the moment is missing the picture.
Even today you can take different cultures that have the same religion and see big cultural differences.
Or throughout history as well.A Catholic in Connecticut and a Catholic in the Philippines probably have NOTHING in common in how they view their religion for instance.
You also have to realise that many people who follow a religion have very few ideas about the theology behind it. Like my grandmother, for example, I very much doubt she has any idea about any sort of theological problems of any kind, or that she was ever concerned with them, even if she did want to become a nun.
I am a bit disappointed to hear History isn't that big in your schools. I was equally disappointed about learning the same thing on Geography in the USA, which is a major subject from 3rd grade until the last year of Junior High School. I wonder what lessons can cover all that teaching space Geo and History take up… We need a thread to compare all the different Courses from all over the world.
Geography isn't too big either. English is by far the most pushed subject in school
Learn English or die a thousand deaths of unemployment
But yeah that sounds like a fun idea for a thread. Which subjects are deemed to be most important country by country
@wolfwoof:
Geography isn't too big either. English is by far the most pushed subject in school
Learn English or die a thousand deaths of unemployment
But yeah that sounds like a fun idea for a thread. Which subjects are deemed to be most important country by country
North Korea, until recently:
Learning Golf from Kim Jong Il or: how to get 11 holes in one on your very first time playing golf.
Byzantium you uneducated fool.
I know about Byzantium. Was referring to ancient, classical Greece since that was clearly what he was referencing when he talked about "pedophilia and homosexuality"
@indigo~ink:
why do people feel the need to force their beliefs on others? :wassat:
Just a guess, but it might be an issue of validity. I imagine most people want to feel justified or "correct", so everyone that believes differently than them is a threat to them because they don't want to be wrong in any way.
I know about Byzantium. Was referring to ancient, classical Greece since that was clearly what he was referencing when he talked about "pedophilia and homosexuality"
Heh. Never tell a Greek "classical" just refers to that one lil piece of their history.
I personally think you, and quite a few people are being stubborn about the Sanji/Kalifa issue. He physically could not kick her, even though he tried. He just couldn't do it, and that was Oda's way of showing that it was a physical impossibility for him, no matter how much he tried. You can hate that he wasn't able to do it, but to act like it was a choice he was making to potentially screw over Robin sort of ignores what I believe Oda was trying to inform us, that not being able to kick Kalifa, even to save Robin, was completely involuntary.
Would fervent racism, overzealous nationalism, ageism, etc get a pass when considering an uncompromising psychological block? Plenty of hardcore enthusiasts could very well be unable to "physically disagree" with their own beliefs. Regardless, the activities these beliefs create aren't any less detrimental or reprehensible. I'm not even saying go hate Sanji. Sanji's done plenty of cool stuff like every other crew member. But this particular action? Dumb all around and absolutely nothing great about it. Actually reminds of Hodi on some level. An unreasonable, yet somewhat understandable and inflexible belief that may also be well-intentioned but is ultimately awful. So the fact that the scene is even slightest bit commendable is pretty silly.
Not sure pre-teens can get wet dreams.
Heh it might depend on specific ages or specific cases. :P
@indigo~ink:
Did I totally imagine that women used to be viewed differently, as in their role in fertility celebrated rather than "shameful" like in Christianity? I'm trying to remember a Classics lesson from four years ago, I SWEAR someone said something along those lines… women were already pretty much confined to the home at that point though so their role in daily life didn't go through much of a change :\
Yeah there's still a big difference between daily life and religion/reverence. There ARE examples in history of societies that were at least closer to being matriarchal or matrilinear, and actually even Judaism is identified through maternal lineage, but overall that's uncommon. And sure plenty of earlier religions, from Central American to Sumerian, have in some form worshiped fertility and its association with women, but I wouldn't say you can draw any conclusions about the treatment of women overall from that.
Religion is merely justification for the views that people already had.
Like, I doubt that religious conservatives are sexist BECAUSE of their theology.
Can't say I agree here. I mean maybe if you're looking at origins you could make partial arguments for religion being something of a justification in the way it was transmitted or modified, though that's shaky ground and I wouldn't dare go there (despite how much I like to make fun of religion constantly). But regardless, people who are brought up entrenched in religion and whose only place to turn is scripture will adopt those views, no matter how extreme or nonsensical in any given context. It's just the way things are supposed to be to them. I'm being really general here since this is a slippery slope to preach on but I definitely don't think you can say religion is a function of behavior but not the inverse. Like religious scripture might be interpreted differently by culture X than by culture Y but it's going to have a big impact and not all of that is 100% situational – especially not by people who start taking it literally.
I am reminded of the chicken/egg debate.
So as long as characters like Kalifa/Tashigi get physically beat down by male characters like Sanji/Zoro, it shows gender equality in One Piece. So no violence on women is bad, but violence on women is good, at least on women characters we know. Mmhmm, yep, this has just turned into a sado-masochism thread. On the bright side, the history lesson of different countries are interesting :), and who says this site isn't educationally friendly? ;).
This topic needs to get back on track. As much as I find this thread's topic to be unnecessarily divisive and undeserving of 90 pages of discussion, for the moment it'll stay so long as it can remain on topic. The religion debate needs to go elsewhere, and given this forum's history with religious debate I'm going to suggest PM.
Come on people not this history stuff again, if y'all love history talk that much shouldn't one of y'all open a history thread and go there and put your headaches in. But seriously I guarantee you 90% of people here have no clue what y'all talking about, true I know history but I don't know history that deep to know what Bazy Bazy whatever that's called means…
@Jet:
Mmhmm, yep, this has just turned into a sado-masochism thread.
How I wish that were true.
Because I DO want this thread to remain open, I'm just going to echo Brennen's warning. The history is sometimes relevant, but it and the religion talk can lead to bad places, given that we're in the manga section (wink wink nudge nudge say no more). So let's make sure it's a little more focused and keep on keeping.
@Jet:
So as long as characters like Kalifa/Tashigi get physically beat down by male characters like Sanji/Zoro, it shows gender equality in One Piece. So no violence on women is bad, but violence on women is good, at least on women characters we know.
When male characters are regularly brutalized to an insane degree, and females aren't BECAUSE they're women? Yes, absolutely. Violence is bad in real life, but equality in violence in fiction is good and more representative of reality ("Not that OP has anything to do with reality blah blah blah"). Seeing people punched repeatedly in the face or gored through the stomach with blades is supposed to be painful. The fact that we're desensitized to that happening to men but it's horror-of-all-horrors when it happens to women is the very problem.
I'm always surprised when chivalry is mistaken for progress.
Would fervent racism, overzealous nationalism, ageism, etc get a pass when considering an uncompromising psychological block? Plenty of hardcore enthusiasts could very well be unable to "physically disagree" with their own beliefs. Regardless, the activities these beliefs create aren't any less detrimental or reprehensible. I'm not even saying go hate Sanji. Sanji's done plenty of cool stuff like every other crew member. But this particular action? Dumb all around and absolutely nothing great about it. Actually reminds of Hodi on some level. An unreasonable, yet somewhat understandable and inflexible belief that may also be well-intentioned but is ultimately awful. So the fact that the scene is even slightest bit commendable is pretty silly.
Those are awful comparisons for one. Two, chivalry isn't ultimately awful and withholding from violence (even given the circumstances) is hard to call a moral failure. It's nothing like Hodi being willing to kill the entirety of Fishman Island, and its a bit silly to make that comparison. I know it's a stretch since he went on to go fight Jabura and the series hinges on fighting, but it's not morally reprehensible that he'd be incapable of fighting someone.
@CCC:
Because I DO want this thread to remain open, I'm just going to echo Brennen's warning. The history is sometimes relevant, but it and the religion talk can lead to bad places, given that we're in the manga section (wink wink nudge nudge say no more). So let's make sure it's a little more focused and keep on keeping.
When male characters are regularly brutalized to an insane degree, and females aren't BECAUSE they're women? Yes, absolutely. Violence is bad in real life, but equality in violence in fiction is good and more representative of reality ("Not that OP has anything to do with reality blah blah blah"). Seeing people punched repeatedly in the face or gored through the stomach with blades is supposed to be painful. The fact that we're desensitized to that happening to men but it's horror-of-all-horrors when it happens to women is the very problem.
I'm always surprised when chivalry is mistaken for progress.
Hmm, when you put it like that, then characters like Sanji are always gonna get criticized even if his chivalry is both his strength and his weakness.
Those are awful comparisons for one. Two, chivalry isn't ultimately awful and withholding from violence (even given the circumstances) is hard to call a moral failure. It's nothing like Hodi being willing to kill the entirety of Fishman Island, and its a bit silly to make that comparison. I know it's a stretch since he went on to go fight Jabura and the series hinges on fighting, but it's not morally reprehensible that he'd be incapable of fighting someone.
They're straight-up examples of discrimination, and I said Hodi's plight was reminiscent on some level, not a completely equitable comparison. Hodi has vitriolic, overt, negative discrimination. Sanji's positive discrimination however is arguably more harmful because of how misleading it is. The audience is supposed to disparage Hodi's actions. Sanji's actions are clearly meant to warrant approval on some level.
Gender-directional chivalry has no merit whatsoever. There's already an entirely separate thread reasoning why this is. Some good excerpts from Uncle Kenny.
I say this namely for two reasons, the first having already been addressed by Zephos. And that's that chivalry is an inherently sexist act. I know it might be difficult for you to accept that "positive" discrimination can be just as bad, or even worse, as "negative" discrimination, but I assure you that it is. Chrissie also pointed this out when she said it only enables and reinforces bad behavior in the shittier women that you claim you show the same respects too. It creates a line where there shouldn't be one; a moral line in manners where sex dictates the amount of decency a human being should exhibit or receive.
Decency should be blind to something as trivial as sex. And even if you show respect to your own sex, by practicing "chivalry" and singling out an entire other sex, you're creating and maintaining a mentality based on discrimination. Just treat everyone with the same respect that you would like to be treated with.
Because you, seemingly, haven't yet reached a point where both sexes should be treated entirely equally, based not on their gender but by their individuality. I'm entirely willing to see you as a mature person so long as you're willing to open your mind to the idea that humans should be treated by who they are, rather than which sex they belong to.
Chivalry is a dead concept. I can understand where you might be coming from by practicing it, but it does more harm than good. It's much more respectful to treat everyone with decency and to refuse to condone anyone's shitty behavior, regardless of sex, as a means of conditioning them into becoming better people.
And pretty much couple that with CCC's take above. It's demeaning, wholly-unnecessary charity.
I think they are prortrayed accurately in that they all have breasts. Isn't that all that matters? Some are strong, but I doubt they will be stronger than the strongest men. That's just physical limitations that are prevalent in real life.
@Monkey:
No, I know what the word means, and it absolutely doesn't fit One Piece.
Is this seriously all you have to say on the history crap? A shame, that's the only part of this I cared to continue.
I'm short on time to reply to everything at the moment and I think we're going OT a bit much with something that is a matter of interest to only the 2 of us.
So, please feel free to open a new discussion about it.
I'll reply there and/or continue the discussion with you via visitor messages.
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I was not posting that picture as an image of gender equality, but the opposite. I thought it was obvious, what with all of my sarcasm written all over it. :U
Yeah you posted the image that was convenient to your point
And it's not sarcasm because it's the truth, just…a part of the truth though. :getlost:
Anyway...just hope I made the whole point clear.
I'm short on time to reply to everything at the moment and I think we're going OT a bit much with something that is a matter of interest to only the 2 of us.
So, please feel free to open a new discussion about it.
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Yeah you posted the image that was convenient to your point
And it's not sarcasm because it's the truth, just...a part of the truth though. :getlost:
Anyway...just hope I made the whole point clear.
Now, that's discrimination :ninja:
Now, that's discrimination :ninja:
I said visitor messages, visible to everyone, not PMs ;)
@Ittoryu:
I think they are prortrayed accurately in that they all have breasts. Isn't that all that matters?
Gonna take this as sarcasm.
@Ittoryu:
Some are strong, but I doubt they will be stronger than the strongest men. That's just physical limitations that are prevalent in real life.
Once again, we're talking about a manga where people (men) can throw fucking icebergs.
They're straight-up examples of discrimination, and I said Hodi's plight was reminiscent on some level, not a completely equitable comparison. Hodi has vitriolic, overt, negative discrimination. Sanji's positive discrimination however is arguably more harmful because of how misleading it is. The audience is supposed to disparage Hodi's actions. Sanji's actions are clearly meant to warrant approval on some level.
Gender-directional chivalry has no merit whatsoever. There's already an entirely separate thread reasoning why this is. Some good excerpts from Uncle Kenny.
And pretty much couple that with CCC's take above. It's demeaning, wholly-unnecessary charity.
I know that thread, I quoted Kenny for months on it. I know what you're saying, but I still think you're wrong. Not hitting women, regardless of any inequity it shows, can't be seen as a bad thing. As a small part of a larger bad thing, yes, but as a wrong in itself? No. And that level of chivalry will likely never die. In most places, at least in the current era of the world we live in, it will never be accepted to hit women and refusing to do so will be praised. I just don't see that as a particular negative in itself.
Another thing. Sanji hasn't been shown in a positive light, as a chivalrous man, or in general really, for a very long time. The Kalifa scene was played for laughs(when he was bubble Sanji), and every moment he's had since has been too. I don't think we're supposed to view him as cool as you think we are.
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Lol, this thread is gonna go berserk when Catalina Devon's devil fruit is related to ironing or something.
Lol, this thread is gonna go berserk when Catalina Devon's devil fruit is related to ironing or something.
Are you implying that would NOT be completely awful, and that we would be in the wrong for declaring that it was?
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I know that thread, I quoted Kenny for months on it. I know what you're saying, but I still think you're wrong. Not hitting women, regardless of any inequity it shows, can't be seen as a bad thing. As a small part of a larger bad thing, yes, but as a wrong in itself? No.
So even if you're confronted with a woman who's a remorseless, cold-hearted murder machine, refusing to hit her would be considered praiseworthy rather than monumentally stupid?
And that level of chivalry will likely never die. In most places, at least in the current era of the world we live in, it will never be accepted to hit women and refusing to do so will be praised. I just don't see that as a particular negative in itself.
That means that a discriminatory mindset will continue to persist. Yay?
Another thing. Sanji hasn't been shown in a positive light, as a chivalrous man, or in general really, for a very long time. The Kalifa scene was played for laughs(when he was bubble Sanji), and every moment he's had since has been too. I don't think we're supposed to view him as cool as you think we are.
Oda directly stated he hoped it would resonate with male readers. Not that he hoped they would laugh uproariously at Sanjis foolishness.
@CCC:
When male characters are regularly brutalized to an insane degree, and females aren't BECAUSE they're women? Yes, absolutely. Violence is bad in real life, but equality in violence in fiction is good and more representative of reality ("Not that OP has anything to do with reality blah blah blah"). Seeing people punched repeatedly in the face or gored through the stomach with blades is supposed to be painful. The fact that we're desensitized to that happening to men but it's horror-of-all-horrors when it happens to women is the very problem.
I'm always surprised when chivalry is mistaken for progress.
To be fair, Nami got stabbed a couple of times and Robin got smashed around a lot by Yama … and zapped by Enel. I suppose that's all but hey, if they had fights more often, I reckon these sorts of things would happen?
You know, I have always been pretty aware of the fact I am not sex-blind. And I never had any problems with not being sex-blind (indeed I normally think it a good thing) and yet interestingly, being anything but sex-blind is being demonised extensively in this thread. It's kind of interesting.
@CCC:
When male characters are regularly brutalized to an insane degree, and females aren't BECAUSE they're women? Yes, absolutely. Violence is bad in real life, but equality in violence in fiction is good and more representative of reality ("Not that OP has anything to do with reality blah blah blah"). Seeing people punched repeatedly in the face or gored through the stomach with blades is supposed to be painful. The fact that we're desensitized to that happening to men but it's horror-of-all-horrors when it happens to women is the very problem.
I'm always surprised when chivalry is mistaken for progress.
Ms. Valentine's defeat was a joke, and Doublefinger was cartoonishly smashed through concrete walls, leaving goddamn body outlines like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon, where comic violence is never taken seriously.
Robin's brutalization by Spandam is the only thing that comes even close to what we're talking about. And oh my god was it effective as a result, or what! Equally painful (and well done) was Usopp getting destroyed by Franky and his goons, Luffy's abuse at the hands of Bluejam, most of the BW fights besides Nami's, etc.
I'm not trying to sound like some grim conoisseur of violence, but those images don't make for a convincing argument in the least.
@Ittoryu:
I think they are prortrayed accurately in that they all have breasts. Isn't that all that matters? Some are strong, but I doubt they will be stronger than the strongest men. That's just physical limitations that are prevalent in real life.
Cute. Did kanzen send you as his replacement? Come back in another 10 pages to give us the regularly scheduled dose of whatever this is, exactly.
@CCC:
Ms. Valentine's defeat was a joke, and Doublefinger was cartoonishly smashed through concrete walls, leaving goddamn body outlines like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon, where comic violence is never taken seriously.
Robin's brutalization by Spandam is the only thing that comes even close to what we're talking about. And oh my god was it effective as a result, or what! Equally painful (and well done) was Usopp getting destroyed by Franky and his goons, Luffy's abuse at the hands of Bluejam, most of the BW fights besides Nami's, etc.
I'm not trying to sound like some grim conoisseur of violence, but those images don't make for a convincing argument in the least.
To be fair, Nami got stabbed a couple of times and Robin got smashed around a lot by Yama … and zapped by Enel. I suppose that's all but hey, if they had fights more often, I reckon these sorts of things would happen?
^ I'm not saying it's equal, but surely this all counts for something?
This thread should have ended 3 pages in.
@Monkey:
This thread should have ended 3 pages in.
No one's making you stay.
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^ I'm not saying it's equal, but surely this all counts for something?
Eh. Not really? Nami stabbed her tattoo away… Doublefinger skewered her foot... Absalom molested her.
Yama was brutal, but Enel's zapping, incidentally, is a juicy example of double-standard-ery made just for this thread. Zoro, who had no problem beating up Ms. Monday and the Nun, suddenly realizes Sanji was right all along and lets loose with that crack about "She's a WOMAN oh my god how could you hurt a WOMAN?" while Enel, the bad guy, says "I can see that. Don't care."
Child reading Jump: "My hero Zoro has no problem with 20 million volts coursing through old men and male Native American knockoffs, but he won't tolerate it happening to a woman? And the big meanie Eneru is trying to say it doesn't matter what gender you are? I know what lesson I'm coming away with from this."
Zoro's reaction is exactly the shock and horror I mentioned. The five survivors at that point had all fought hard and made it there on their own abilities, and they start dropping like flies in the face of Enel's attacks, but Oda had to stop and make a loud exaggerated point about Robin's gender, just because. It even goes against Zoro's whole damn thing with Kuina.
Enel doesn't give a F if your a woman. What he told Zoro.
why people get banned for simply stating a fact? men had higher iq than women for a century (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/16/why-women-finally-have-higher-iqs-than-men/), it's a fact. and men have a bigger brain. no one ever said women are dumb compared to men or anything like that. how is this sexistic? i got this information from a tv show, are they sexistic now? should i sue them?
why do people get banned for nothing on this site? i expected more from one of the biggest one piece forums.
Also written from your article:
_"_IQ — or intelligence quotient — the most widely used measure of intelligence and is determined based on one’s deviation from the average IQ score of a certain age group. It’s thought to be a product of both environmental and hereditary factors, and is a statistically reliable predictor of future educational achievement, job performance and income."
And another: One theory is that women have always been capable of scoring higher but, because of discriminatory gender socializing, never realized their own potential. Gender-based differences in education, upbringing and social roles have historically set the bar lower for women.
The world of One Piece isn't the same with our world. Using real life facts doesn't amount to anything on how characters be in the story.
To me, Arlong Park is not just a One Piece forum. This is also a website from where different people from different walks of life meet each and discuss variety of things, even ones outside the anime fandom. You're probably just not used with websites/forums where women are actually vocal about feminism. Try going on this part of Tumblr and they will rip you apart with your mentality.
Lol, this thread is gonna go berserk when Catalina Devon's devil fruit is related to ironing or something.
I don't know, they seemed to take Violet crying to attack people pretty well.
Lol, this thread is gonna go berserk when Catalina Devon's devil fruit is related to ironing or something.
I don't know, they seemed to take Violet crying to attack people pretty well.
Don't forget about Tsuru-chan, the highest ranked female Marine whose devil fruit power is doing the laundry!
Yeah you posted the image that was convenient to your point
And it's not sarcasm because it's the truth, just…a part of the truth though. :getlost:
Anyway...just hope I made the whole point clear.
Nope I posted a random image that was representing a Nature relationship. My point would've been EXACTLY the same even if I had posted penguin pictures, praying mantis eating her mate pictures or whatever: Animal rules should not be examples for humans because human relationships are more complicated and should be based on mutual respect.
It was sarcasm. Just because you took it literally, it doesn't mean it's not.
@CCC:
No one's making you stay.
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Eh. Not really? Nami stabbed her tattoo away... Doublefinger skewered her foot... Absalom molested her.
Yama was brutal, but Enel's zapping, incidentally, is a juicy example of double-standard-ery made just for this thread. Zoro, who had no problem beating up Ms. Monday and the Nun, suddenly realizes Sanji was right all along and lets loose with that crack about "She's a WOMAN oh my god how could you hurt a WOMAN?" while Enel, the bad guy, says "I can see that. Don't care."
Child reading Jump: "My hero Zoro has no problem with 20 million volts coursing through old men and male Native American knockoffs, but he won't tolerate it happening to a woman? And the big meanie Eneru is trying to say it doesn't matter what gender you are? I know what lesson I'm coming away with from this."Zoro's reaction is exactly the shock and horror I mentioned. The five survivors at that point had all fought hard and made it there on their own abilities, and they start dropping like flies in the face of Enel's attacks, but Oda had to stop and make a loud exaggerated point about Robin's gender, just because. It even goes against Zoro's whole damn thing with Kuina.
This is what Zoro did to BW:
And this is what Enel did
I don't know about you, but to me there is a huge difference between applying presure on the head, hitting with the back of a blade and zapping someone with millions of volts of electricity. The fact that Zoro used these ways of dealing with women is actually proof that he dislikes giving women brutal punishment, not the other way around.