Given that many of Oda's chapter titles sound like they took a grand total of five seconds to think up, I wouldn't read into it that much.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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is what I said too complicated:(
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I don't understand how the BB pirates having 10 ppl means anything about the SHs getting two more members?
What makes ppl think BB will stop there? As if a pirate from the NW couldn't join his crew or something. There's no indication that his crew is complete in any way.
A chapter title like 9 pirates refers to the current crew and them returning, has no bearing on future crew members.
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If anything, I would say the chapter title is meant to point out the different between the fauxhat pirates (fakes) and the real crew. As in, the fakes don't have a 'Brook'.
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Friendship does not equal Crewmember.
Here's where we're going to have to dredge up that dreaded word . . .
Because while "friendship" is a viable translation for the panel that Kishido posted, the word used in the original was not "tomodachi," it was "nakama." Vivi asked if they would once again call her their "nakama." They responded by holding up their arms, with a flashback to the line said when they first drew on the Xs. "No matter what happens, this mark is proof that we are nakama."
Luffy does in fact differentiate between his friends and his "nakama." One of my big beefs with translating the dreaded "n" word is that most translators, including professional ones, use the word "friend" an awful lot. Friend is a viable translation of "nakama." The problem is, Luffy uses the actual, direct Japanese word for friend, "tomodachi," to describe people such as Coby, Hachi, and Camie. He punched Charlos because the guy hurt his friend; "tomodachi." Hancock and Jinbei are in the "friend" category. Luffy already called Hancock his friend (tomodachi) when the lion started growling at her the other Amazons. No character called a friend (tomodachi) by Luffy has ever crossed over into the in-group (nakama). Jinbei hasn't been called anything, so he's still up for debate (I'm not supporting him, though). The first thing Luffy called Vivi was "one of us," or "nakama" (it came when they were actually in Alabaster, and he obviously called her by name before, but she was never "friend"ed). In Alabaster, after visiting Yuba, when Luffy and Vivi fought, he said she should try risking them, her "nakama," rather than just herself.
So, is Vivi "one of them"? Is she a "nakama"? Yes. They said she was. If they randomly run across her again, she doesn't even need to ask. She's immediately part of their in-group again. That's a fact. Is she a crew mate? Should she currently be counted in Luffy's number? No. That's more my own opinion, but I think the text backs it up pretty well. Mostly because she is not there right now.
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Thank you for another ambiguously opinionated response, as usual, Zik.
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Here's where we're going to have to dredge up that dreaded word . . .
Because while "friendship" is a viable translation for the panel that Kishido posted, the word used in the original was not "tomodachi," it was "nakama." Vivi asked if they would once again call her their "nakama." They responded by holding up their arms, with a flashback to the line said when they first drew on the Xs. "No matter what happens, this mark is proof that we are nakama."
Luffy does in fact differentiate between his friends and his "nakama." One of my big beefs with translating the dreaded "n" word is that most translators, including professional ones, use the word "friend" an awful lot. Friend is a viable translation of "nakama." The problem is, Luffy uses the actual, direct Japanese word for friend, "tomodachi," to describe people such as Coby, Hachi, and Camie. He punched Charlos because the guy hurt his friend; "tomodachi." Hancock and Jinbei are in the "friend" category. Luffy already called Hancock his friend (tomodachi) when the lion started growling at her the other Amazons. No character called a friend (tomodachi) by Luffy has ever crossed over into the in-group (nakama). Jinbei hasn't been called anything, so he's still up for debate (I'm not supporting him, though). The first thing Luffy called Vivi was "one of us," or "nakama" (it came when they were actually in Alabaster, and he obviously called her by name before, but she was never "friend"ed). In Alabaster, after visiting Yuba, when Luffy and Vivi fought, he said she should try risking them, her "nakama," rather than just herself.
So, is Vivi "one of them"? Is she a "nakama"? Yes. They said she was. If they randomly run across her again, she doesn't even need to ask. She's immediately part of their in-group again. That's a fact. Is she a crew mate? Should she currently be counted in Luffy's number? No. That's more my own opinion, but I think the text backs it up pretty well. Mostly because she is not there right now.
Reading that made me nostalgic for Vivi.
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Klet I shall demolish your argument later.
For now, homework.
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Yay another argument over the translations of nakama.
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How powerful do you guys think the new crew member will be?
Is he going to be one of the top or bottom in strength?
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@Cyan:
Yay another argument over the translations of nakama.
You don't need to know the definition, as long as you feel it.
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@Cyan:
Yay another argument over the translations of nakama.
Ummm, I wasn't really arguing. Just saying that you have to look at which word is used in the original Japanese. Friend, crew mate, business partner, classmate, dude I work with, chick in my church youth group, all of those are viable translations of "nakama," depending on the circumstances.
Klet I shall demolish your argument later.
For now, homework.
Have fun. I was basically agreeing with you that Vivi shouldn't be counted in Luffy's number of desired crew mate at the moment. We disagree whether Luffy and the other crew members who were around when Vivi was there count her as "nakama" or "tomodachi," I suppose.
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I hate to say this bro, but klet is correct.
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I hate to say this bro, but klet is correct.
as now decreed by the AOHIGE it shall now be!!!
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klet, I feel what you're saying. It's like that in my country (S. Korea) as well. In our translations there's a fine line between "chingu (friend/tomodachi)" and "dongryo (nakama)". We never had angst about the translation of the word "nakama" in my country's forums because there are Korean words that directly correspond with the Japanese words, plus we both use Chinese characters.
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Have fun. I was basically agreeing with you that Vivi shouldn't be counted in Luffy's number of desired crew mate at the moment. We disagree whether Luffy and the other crew members who were around when Vivi was there count her as "nakama" or "tomodachi," I suppose.
My apologies. I apparently misread your argument.
When I encounter discussions on the word Nakama, I think my mind just snaps. Regardless, that was my fault completely and I do apologize for my actions.
In other news, why is nothing happening in this thread? And where in the world is AGOG?
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How powerful do you guys think the new crew member will be?
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@Rubber:
How powerful do you guys think the new crew member will be?
Well if he/she is in Fishman Island or the New World, they should be pretty dang strong.
Although I would like to note that while it is clear the SH are much stronger after these two years, we don't know the extent of their new power.
So the idea of guessing how strong the next crewmember will be is up in the air since their strength has to be comparable to the current crew.
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@Enma:
Uh, I never posted in the Nakamates thread before, because I'm not interested in speculating in things like that, but….I don't think Perona is going to be the next crewmate. That's all I've got to say about the topic.
Good man.
I do hope that the next member is a fishman as well. It just seems to fit.
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@Enma:
Uh, I never posted in the Nakamates thread before, because I'm not interested in speculating in things like that, but….I don't think Perona is going to be the next crewmate. That's all I've got to say about the topic.
I hope the next nakamate is a fishman/mermaid.
The random people popping out in Sept/Oct (including a few with old join dates) supporting Perona made me misread that for a second.
But yeah, a fishman/merfolk seems to fit.
And right now, while I'm not particularly sure how relevant it is, the only positions mentioned in the series the crew doesn't have are helmsman (Burgess) and apprentice/cabin boy (Shanks/Buggy on Roger's ship). At least far as I recall. -
The only other non-Helmsman position I see is a Quartermaster, but Nami kind of does that already.
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Well the strongest fishman we know of is jinbei so I think that jinbei's strength(or jinbei himself, seeing as he is the only known character with any current shot of joining the crew in terms of strength and ability to be a helmsman) is probably the cap in terms of the new crew member. If he/she is around jinbei's strength, I think its safe to assume that he/she would be in the top five. I also believe that the next crew member will appear within the next 20 chapters, whether it is for the first time or just his/her post TS debut.
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@S.C.:
The only other non-Helmsman position I see is a Quartermaster, but Nami kind of does that already.
not really, the quartermaster on a pirate ship has more of a combat role
in charge of ship to ship combat during boarding actions
I also learned a long time ago not to pay attention to people who extrapolate complex theories because all it succeeds in doing is confusing themselves and being wrong. People will say crazy stuff and it's not really my problem if they're interpreting things wrong.
Wise words we should all live by
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not really, the quartermaster on a pirate ship has more of a combat role
in charge of ship to ship combat during boarding actions
I meant the Disciplinarian part.
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hmmmm can't argue with you there
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not really, the quartermaster on a pirate ship has more of a combat role
in charge of ship to ship combat during boarding actions
The quartermaster has a lot of tasks, such as being responsible for distributing loot. Almost all of those tasks are things that Nami is responsible for on the crew, even if "ship to ship combat boarding" isn't one of them. I can't imagine Nami passing those money-related tasks, especially, on to someone else.
Now, if you really believe that someone is going to join as a fraction of a quartermaster in order to coordinate ship to ship combat boarding, then I suppose I'll just agree to disagree.
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@S.C.:
The only other non-Helmsman position I see is a Quartermaster, but Nami kind of does that already.
Actually I think Quartermaster also kind of fits with Zoro, being second strongest of the crew and all.
I remember that there was a certain ship position I read about somewhere, but I forgot the exact term; it was someone who was knowledgeable about flora and fauna and thus when the crew arrived at an island, he or she would be able to identify which plants and mushrooms were edible and which ones weren't, and how to identify and deal with wild animals. They also usually had good fishing skills.
That's the only position I can't see any of the strawhats already filling and being useful to them, with the OP world having incredible biodiversity; full of enormous monsters and all. As we've already seen, Luffy doesn't think twice about eating random mushrooms. Sanji could work, but he's a cook, not a biologist and there's bound to be many plants and animals he has no knowledge about, especially on the grand line.
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between sanji and chopper they will know whether or not somethin is edible
so that position as far as a role for the SH is taken… more or less
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I know I'm new to this site and all so my opinion probably means little, but my general impression is that a crewmate's profession is not really a huge deal. Mostly thinking of the fact that not all pirate ships are known for carrying archaeologists, and the Straw Hats have Nico Robin. Also, both Usopp and Chopper were invited for being cool or fun, before they even proved themselves to be useful to Luffy's pirate crew (although we knew Chopper to be a doctor before Luffy … ).
... but if the question still arises, I think it'd be cool if the straw hats had someone mobile to scout and/or deliver messages, something I see Lafitte doing for the BB pirates. Again, a fishman would work great, maybe even a mermaid since they're the fastest in the water.
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Except Lafitte is the BB pirate's navigator if I remember correctly. Not a courier/scout.
Not to dismiss the idea itself, just to correct the thought process there. And the courier aspect I don't see as needed as much as maybe a scout (den den mushis can handle communication). But we have a navigator, so…
Edit: And for all we know, Luffy could not want to know what's ahead on the adventure in any more detail than Nami's weather forecasting/navigating. Could take the thrill out of it. An arguable point since I'm not sure how much it'd matter, but just going off from Luffy's adventurous nature and tendency to head into things without caution.
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Except Lafitte is the BB pirate's navigator if I remember correctly. Not a courier/scout.
Um, yes, I know that. Don't recall saying he wasn't a navigator, the point is just that he happens to do a courier job because he's good at it.
The straw hats don't have anyone who could do that if the needs comes up unless Franky happens to have jets in his legs. And the need could come up seeing how the new world is more savage and it'd definitely help to know better what's around them before finding themselves in [insert random situation] (like Bege.) Not to mention the chances of Zoro falling asleep while at lookout.Lastly, let me rephrase that I think it'd be COOL, not that it MUST happen.
edit: thanks for clarifying your response. I agree Luffy would not care about knowing what's approaching, but Nami and almost everyone else sure as hell would.
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Aohoge said, Klet is right with only Vivi is called a "Nakama" as well, than i hold to my theory about one final addition.
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I agree Luffy would not care about knowing what's approaching, but Nami and almost everyone else sure as hell would.
Yeah, everyone but Luffy would, and again I'm not dismissing the idea. There'd have to be a reason for a courier over just den den mushis though. I'm a lot more lenient with judging suggested professions since there's generally a lot of leeway with what Oda can create a need for. Suggested characters I need actual reasoning for and the only group that's provided logical reasoning has been the Jinbei camp. I'd say scout is unlikely, and courier even more so, but it's better than if you said Perona, Bonney, Hancock, Margaret, etc where I'd just say "no".
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Yeah, everyone but Luffy would, and again I'm not dismissing the idea. There'd have to be a reason for a courier over just den den mushis though. I'm a lot more lenient with judging suggested professions since there's generally a lot of leeway with what Oda can create a need for. Suggested characters I need actual reasoning for and the only group that's provided logical reasoning has been the Jinbei camp. I'd say scout is unlikely, and courier even more so, but it's better than if you said Perona, Bonney, Hancock, Margaret, etc where I'd just say "no".
It's definitely more refreshing to consider a character with a cool, useful ability as opposed to thinking of said characters joining. Especially since it's obvious by now that pretty much none of them have a chance for at least several chapters, if ever.
As for the courier thing, just how well do den den mushis work? Can't remember specifics about them. Thought of courier mostly with Laffitte and Rockstar in mind, seeing how they were sent by captains to deliver important messages. I guess Carue did the same back in the day.
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oh right and since vivi is nakama then we have our messenger… her pet lol
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@Chopper:
oh right and since vivi is nakama then we have our messenger… her pet lol
There you go! We've just killed two birds with one bird!
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I do hope Hancock join the party but unlikely she will become an allie… Sad day...
Imagine:
Sanji: Nami-swan, Robin-swan, Hancock-swan Here is your tea...<3...
Nami: thank you Sanji, hmmm... sweat tea.
Robin: hmmm... this newspaper have some new update on the Strawhats... thanks for the tea.
Hancock: You lowly imbecile.... (turn Sanji to stone).... (turn around) Luffy <3 I got fresh tea for you....
Luffy: ooh Thank you Hancock... I never get to drink tea before...
Hancock: OMG, He just said my name for the 5th time today, (go on a day dream)
Luffy: ooh yea can you turn Sanji back, I am starting to get hungry after sipping this tea... (stomach growled)
Hancock: (snap out of daydream)... I am right on it Luffy. (run to the kitchen)
everyone else on the crew : there we go again, Sanji is still not cooking for us today... hope at least we can get something more to eat because Luffy has his own buffet table.....(groan) and we got the small table while Sanji is still stoned with his heart eye popped out... -
@Chopper:
oh right and since vivi is nakama then we have our messenger… her pet lol
Make it two, the camel can also serve that purpose.
I don't know how big OP is in religious themes but I also add a Priest to my choice(Fishman&Giant) of Nakamates. I dedicated every last brain power I have for the last half hour to come up with a NN and that's all I could come up with.
Polluting the Gene Pool since able to, and winner of various Darwin Awards.
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@Tommy:
I don't know how big OP is in religious themes but I also add a Priest to my choice(Fishman&Giant) of Nakamates. I dedicated every last brain power I have for the last half hour to come up with a NN and that's all I could come up with.
Enel for nakamate! He can be god AND priest
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I do hope Hancock join the party but unlikely she will become an allie… Sad day...
Imagine:
Sanji: Nami-swan, Robin-swan, Hancock-swan Here is your tea...<3...
Nami: thank you Sanji, hmmm... sweat tea.
Robin: hmmm... this newspaper have some new update on the Strawhats... thanks for the tea.
Hancock: You lowly imbecile.... (turn Sanji to stone).... (turn around) Luffy <3 I got fresh tea for you....
Luffy: ooh Thank you Hancock... I never get to drink tea before...
Hancock: OMG, He just said my name for the 5th time today, (go on a day dream)
Luffy: ooh yea can you turn Sanji back, I am starting to get hungry after sipping this tea... (stomach growled)
Hancock: (snap out of daydream)... I am right on it Luffy. (run to the kitchen)
everyone else on the crew : there we go again, Sanji is still not cooking for us today... hope at least we can get something more to eat because Luffy has his own buffet table.....(groan) and we got the small table while Sanji is still stoned with his heart eye popped out...You have to face the truth… That won't happen
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Enel for nakamate! He can be god AND priest
But he's too busy ruling the moon right now, that or subjugating Urouge and co. on that lightning island
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I remember that there was a certain ship position I read about somewhere, but I forgot the exact term; it was someone who was knowledgeable about flora and fauna and thus when the crew arrived at an island, he or she would be able to identify which plants and mushrooms were edible and which ones weren't, and how to identify and deal with wild animals. They also usually had good fishing skills.
That's the only position I can't see any of the strawhats already filling and being useful to them, with the OP world having incredible biodiversity; full of enormous monsters and all. As we've already seen, Luffy doesn't think twice about eating random mushrooms. Sanji could work, but he's a cook, not a biologist and there's bound to be many plants and animals he has no knowledge about, especially on the grand line.
It's a perfect position for a fishman, IMO.position is called a naturalist, like Darwin. i like the idea! he'd want to study all the animals that luffy wants to eat!
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Chapter is out… Perona is still nowhere... So what now?
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Chapter is out… Perona is still nowhere... So what now?
Get the fiddles, we'll riverdance on AGOG's grave.
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Nah, we should dance only when the sunny submerges, anything before would be… cruel.
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Nah, we should dance only when the sunny submerges, anything before would be… cruel.
No she can still appear on the ship
