Wonder if Oden is going to witness some actual consequences for his choices upon his return or if he arrives and gets boiled before Wano gets ruined.
Chapter 967: Roger's Adventure
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[[…] I feel Oda might switch to current story first and then go back to Orochi/Kaido team up and Odens demise later
Yeah that could happen. But never forget that Oden totally deserves anything coming his way for toying with Whitebeard's feelings!
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But "Laugh Tale" is a secret personal to the Roger pirates. The meaning doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things. In fact, the SHs never finding out about the true meaning would lead to an even stronger paralleling (or contrasting) scene when Luffy witnesses the treasure just like Roger. Or is it that everyone in the world already assumes that Rafuteru=Laugh Tale?
The most recent movie had them emphasizing the new name more strongly along with the romanization. In-universe its maybe supposed to be known… but its one of those japanese thing where because the L's and R's run together there's not really actually a difference and it slides under the radar as the same thing. It's not unti you write it in ENglish that it gets weird.
Its not something that works in other languages though, so other languages probably need to sneak in a in-universe explanation to cover the last 20 years of discrepency.
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Wonder if Oden is going to witness some actual consequences for his choices upon his return or if he arrives and gets boiled before Wano gets ruined.
He's got away with stuff when he was just the heir. Now that he's the ruler I doubt anyone has a right to punish him. Unless you mean something like his house having been destroyed because he wasn't there or that city he was taking care of falling to decay.
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He's got away with stuff when he was just the heir. Now that he's the ruler I doubt anyone has a right to punish him. Unless you mean something like his house having been destroyed because he wasn't there or that city he was taking care of falling to decay.
I was thinking more like if he will have any sort emotional reflection about happend to people in Wano because he had to be free, or if he'll just slide by all consequences into a it was a good life moment before dying
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Yeah that could happen. But never forget that Oden totally deserves anything coming his way for toying with Whitebeard's feelings!
I find your constant saltiness over Oden's decision quite amusing. We all knew beforehand that he would end up in Roger's crew.
And remember, Whitebeard forgives even his dumbest sons ;)
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I find your constant saltiness over Oden's decision quite amusing. We all knew beforehand that he would end up in Roger's crew.
And remember, Whitebeard forgives even his dumbest sons ;)
But not his brothers apparently
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I was thinking more like if he will have any sort emotional reflection about happend to people in Wano because he had to be free, or if he'll just slide by all consequences into a it was a good life moment before dying
I doubt it. Yasopp seems to be enjoying abandoning his family. Responsibility over freedom isn't really a thing in One Piece(except poor Vivi). At least Oden never wanted the responsibility and always made his desire to leave clear. They gave him the ruler job when he wasn't even here.
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I think the point of Toki telling him to go was to absolve him of responsibility.
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We all knew beforehand that he would end up in Roger's crew.
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I doubt it. Yasopp seems to be enjoying abandoning his family. Responsibility over freedom isn't really a thing in One Piece(except poor Vivi). At least Oden never wanted the responsibility and always made his desire to leave clear. They gave him the ruler job when he wasn't even here.
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I think the point of Toki telling him to go was to absolve him of responsibility.
True. Oda does like to glorify the deadbeat dads.
I bet this is going to turn out to be the OP tresure.
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Seems like a wife has to die first before dads are playing a role: Cobra, Kyros, Neptune…
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The only thing about the flashback that disappoints me is we didn't get a Garp vs Roger fight. It coulda been just 1/2 pages, with an epic opening clash like WB/Roger was, but man that woulda been so cool
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I guess Oda wants to make us feel Kaido is the major discusting rival of the arc, so that seengin Luffy beating his first Yonkou reaches top-noch levels. And up to now, that most discusting rival is Orochi. So, to make Kaido an even greater villain, through boiling Oden, the flashback will last… well I too root for 2 chaps of slow boiling.
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I think we're going to see that scene where Roger and Whitebeard talk under the cherry blossoms (presumably back at Wano) about the Will of D, and the One Piece before this flashback ends. Maybe we'll actually hear what Roger said this time.
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Should we expect spoilers early? Or just have to wait for Thursday like usual
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I guess Oda wants to make us feel Kaido is the major discusting rival of the arc, so that seengin Luffy beating his first Yonkou reaches top-noch levels. And up to now, that most discusting rival is Orochi.
I still have a very hard time imagining this arc as the one where Luffy takes down his first Yonkou.
For one Kaido and his (top) pirates had been too much of a background force and we still do care so little about Kaido himself.
And furthermore, Luffy is so far away power-wise and there had been absolutely nothing in this arc that indicates that he is in any way closing the gap. No amount of allied help or haki training will change that and I also very much doubt that he has the time to gradually improve during the fight like he did in the Katakuri fight.And that doesnt even consider the fact that BigMom herself is on the scene.
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This seems more like Orochi's loss/Kaido losing 1 of his biggest assets. Don't think this is about the fall of Kaido. Just another step in the crew's progression towards being a legit threat. They went from taking out Warlords to angering Yonkos. It's great pacing
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I still have a very hard time imagining this arc as the one where Luffy takes down his first Yonkou.
For one Kaido and his (top) pirates had been too much of a background force and we still do care so little about Kaido himself.
And furthermore, Luffy is so far away power-wise and there had been absolutely nothing in this arc that indicates that he is in any way closing the gap. No amount of allied help or haki training will change that and I also very much doubt that he has the time to gradually improve during the fight like he did in the Katakuri fight.And that doesnt even consider the fact that BigMom herself is on the scene.
Nothing indicates he's closing the gap… except the training he's specifically doing to close said gap. Doesn't really make sense to just dismiss it like that, it's not like it's going to be some straightforward 1v1 fight anyhow.
Kaido's going down one way or another, Wano literally depends on it. The fun and intrigue is in seeing how it'll happen. He and the crew are all neatly tucked away on Onigashima, it's there that I expect us to get far more characterization for them all. As for Big Mom, she's a total wild card at the end of the day.
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Nothing indicates he's closing the gap… except the training he's specifically doing to close said gap. Doesn't really make sense to just dismiss it like that, it's not like it's going to be some straightforward 1v1 fight anyhow.
On the whole I agree with how you paint the bigger picture. I don't think Luffy's specific training can be enough to make a difference and neither should it, however. The way Hyogoro presents it, it looks like any Wano swordsmaster who's worth their salt would have acquired that skill at one point or the other, yet if that was enough to topple Kaido then it would have all ended 20 years before and we wouldn't be reading this arc at all.
The way things are now, even assuming every last Kozuki supporter somehow makes it to Onigashima - where both Kaido and Big Mom's finest await them - I don't see a win in the near future unless the allied side is dealt some major new card. It can be an uprising of the majority of Wano's population led by Hyori + Foxface, Jinbe bringing in the Grand Fleet, Marko and the Whitebeard pirates making their entrance, Weevil coming in and somehow ending up as an allied force, Kid and Killer doing something… As you say, the fun is in finding out the "how".
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Isn't the point of the training that unless he can by-pass Kaidos defenses he can't do any damage and it is just like the first Croc fight. But once each blow start to really land then we have a Luffy vs Croc third rematch. And then it is just down to my spirit is stronger than yours like always. He learned better foresight than the best guy in the business just last arc, and now he'll learn power punching better than the best power puncher. Why? Because he is the main char and they will always magically evolve to the next level mid-fight
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I want gear 5. It will solve everything without much explaining to do.:ninja:
On a serious note, I think the whole chitchat between Newgate and Roger will be shown at the end of this arc and we will finally know about 'Will of D'.
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Isn't the point of the training that unless he can by-pass Kaidos defenses he can't do any damage and it is just like the first Croc fight. But once each blow start to really land then we have a Luffy vs Croc third rematch. And then it is just down to my spirit is stronger than yours like always. He learned better foresight than the best guy in the business just last arc, and now he'll learn power punching better than the best power puncher. Why? Because he is the main char and they will always magically evolve to the next level mid-fight
From katakuri, that at best was BM's marco ,there is still room to grow. From kaidou there is no room to grow since he is the strongest. Luffy will beat his first yonkou fair and square when he meets blackbeard.
Kaidou now should be what Whitebeard was i nthe war, replace marines and BB pirates with luffy and allies.
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completly agree with the user above.
It will be a mass gang on kaido, as he is the strongest in the verse currently, bar akainu/imu, whom oda might push to an even level later in the series, we don't know.
At the end of this arc he should be able to give an admiral a good fight, with maybe beating someone of similar strength just before he beats blackbeard.I assume Imu will be even stronger altho barely, (God please no kaguya double), or Imu will be somehow enhanced by centuries of planning or whatever where he will be defeated by a group, atho I doubt it.
PERSONALLY, I would have no objection if as I said he will reach in elbaf a level of stagnation where characters like big mom, kaido, akainu, bb are all generally just as strong but luffy will just mid fight adopt different strategies to beat them, atho technically they are all at the same level, for ME it would be the best scenario.
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Isn't the point of the training that unless he can by-pass Kaidos defenses he can't do any damage and it is just like the first Croc fight. But once each blow start to really land then we have a Luffy vs Croc third rematch. And then it is just down to my spirit is stronger than yours like always
With all the hype that's piled up over the last decade, I'm kinda hoping it rather goes "and then we find out how tough Kaido really is and why 1v1 won't cut it and Luffy needs something else (be it allies, awakening, gear 4592, …). Not saying I want to see Luffy defeated, but I hope what wins it can be more like the Odz coop battle and less like the "we'll only get in the way" Katakuri 1v1
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I honestly think the new CoA haki is a red herring, at least when it concerns taking down Kaido. It might prevent Luffy from getting one-shot, but I don't see how it would make any difference if even Big Mom can't get through Kaido's defense and / or Zoan regeneration (whatever it is).
On the other hand, Devil Fruit awakening is something that has to happen at one point, and Luffy just defeated someone who considered an awakened ability to be par for the course for someone of his status (Yonkou top commander).
So I say this will be another case of Luffy cheesing a victory due to his Fruit Power, the rubber human beating the divine dragon.
I imagine it will be similiar to Hina's ability, just with rubber and on a much bigger scale.
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It's just a really smooth solution overall.
- We see his awakened ability before it loses relevance (vs. Akainu or Blackbeard, who either disable or counter rubber)
- Luffy defeats a Yonkou, but not really (= room to grow)
- It matches the Momotaro Legends with the Demon chief being captured
- Great opportunity to end another fight with the line "rubber always bounces back!", as Kaido tries to get rid of the rubber bonds.
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From katakuri, that at best was BM's marco ,there is still room to grow. From kaidou there is no room to grow since he is the strongest. Luffy will beat his first yonkou fair and square when he meets blackbeard.
Kaidou now should be what Whitebeard was i nthe war, replace marines and BB pirates with luffy and allies.
There is plenty of room to grow beyond what Kaido has. He's basically the Sendo of this whole thing, you punch him harder than he punches you and voila. The real challenges are the Miyatas or Martinezes of the world, those who either posses superior skills or are truly well-rounded in every regard. The muscle idiot, while tough, is just a stepping stone in the end
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There is plenty of room to grow beyond what Kaido has. He's basically the Sendo of this whole thing, you punch him harder than he punches you and voila. The real challenges are the Miyatas or Martinezes of the world, those who either posses superior skills or are truly well-rounded in every regard. The muscle idiot, while tough, is just a stepping stone in the end
The world strongest is the world strongest, if you think Luffy will beat him 1 on 1 then you're out of your mind.
EVERYONE will fight Kaido, you need an entire army to defeat an emperor. WB proved this in marineford.
Although I agree Luffy has to be the one landing the final shot.
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I keep saying it. Bigmom and her crew is there too ! This is not a 1 vs 1, but 1 vs 2, lol. Luffy will solo Bigmom and Kaido. :ninja:
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The world strongest is the world strongest, if you think Luffy will beat him 1 on 1 then you're out of your mind.
EVERYONE will fight Kaido, you need an entire army to defeat an emperor. WB proved this in marineford.
Although I agree Luffy has to be the one landing the final shot.
Most of the characters there are too weak to even scratch Kaido's skin. Only advanced haki can hurt him, and as fas as we know, for the moment, only Luffy has it
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On the whole I agree with how you paint the bigger picture. I don't think Luffy's specific training can be enough to make a difference and neither should it, however. The way Hyogoro presents it, it looks like any Wano swordsmaster who's worth their salt would have acquired that skill at one point or the other, yet if that was enough to topple Kaido then it would have all ended 20 years before and we wouldn't be reading this arc at all.
The way things are now, even assuming every last Kozuki supporter somehow makes it to Onigashima - where both Kaido and Big Mom's finest await them - I don't see a win in the near future unless the allied side is dealt some major new card. It can be an uprising of the majority of Wano's population led by Hyori + Foxface, Jinbe bringing in the Grand Fleet, Marko and the Whitebeard pirates making their entrance, Weevil coming in and somehow ending up as an allied force, Kid and Killer doing something… As you say, the fun is in finding out the "how".
They're not Luffy though. Outside of Oden, it's not like Wano has presented any character in their ranks where I'd genuinely wonder why they couldn't at least give Kaido a bigger challenge or something. I don't have any real reason to believe any of them are as strong as Luffy.
As for it being a skill they all should know if they want to say they're a master swordsman, I dunno about that. Hyou seems to have been revered back in the day, and yet it's something he didn't have. Luffy accessed a level of CoA that was beyond what he was trying to teach him. I don't agree with saying it shouldn't make a difference. It's literally the entire point of the training. Yes, Luffy is going to need help in this fight, but he still needs to actually be able to deal damage on his own. So objectively speaking, the training he's done has to make a difference. The gap has gotten smaller, even if we all have varying ideas about exactly how small.
And to be clear, when I say it'll make a difference, I'm not saying Luffy will ultimately squeak out a win in his 2nd fight with Kaido. This could very well be Crocodile all over again, where it takes a 3rd and final fight. I'm just simply saying that it's weird to dismiss the training that would allow him to actually be capable of injuring Kaido. I don't believe Oda is setting it up to subvert expectations or what have you, where it's completely ineffective. Outside of that, as you've said, we agree that in the grand scheme of things, he's going down one way or another.
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I keep saying it. Bigmom and her crew is there too ! This is not a 1 vs 1, but 1 vs 2, lol. Luffy will solo Bigmom and Kaido. :ninja:
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Most of the characters there are too weak to even scratch Kaido's skin. Only advanced haki can hurt him, and as fas as we know, for the moment, only Luffy has it
I disagree, I think Luffy's side is not to be underestimated. Cat viper & Dogstorm transformation mode / Zoro / 3 scabbard etc etc
And they all trained in Wano, where the advanced haki is apparently called ryo and is normal thing to strong people.
The real wildcard is Bigmom, her presence tips the scale from barely possible -> lol no
Will be interesting to see if she regains her memories mid fight or just go down with Kaido.
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It'll be free for all between Kaido, Linlin and Luffy most likely.
Plus Law and Kidd might land sum hits. Everyone else will be busy with some kind of 'bird cage' plot.
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There is plenty of room to grow beyond what Kaido has. He's basically the Sendo of this whole thing, you punch him harder than he punches you and voila. The real challenges are the Miyatas or Martinezes of the world, those who either posses superior skills or are truly well-rounded in every regard. The muscle idiot, while tough, is just a stepping stone in the end
There isn't though. Kaido is the strongest in one on one and who says he doesn't have skill ? People were thinking that he'd just be slow yet this massive 10 meter creature goes ahead and speedblitzes Luffy like he was nothing.
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The real wildcard is Bigmom, her presence tips the scale from barely possible -> lol no
Will be interesting to see if she regains her memories mid fight or just go down with Kaido.
What memories are you talking about?
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There isn't though. Kaido is the strongest in one on one
And yet Blackbeard will end up being a bigger challenge in the end. The plot progression dictates it. Kaido is a stepping stone who will help build Luffys arsenal for his final most challenging fights. Weirdly specific titles be damned.
and who says he doesn't have skill ? People were thinking that he'd just be slow yet this massive 10 meter creature goes ahead and speedblitzes Luffy like he was nothing.
His personality, his shown fighting style, his crews mentality, his stated goals and virtually everything we know about Kaido points to him being a meathead who loves to fight and gets by because of his physical power. There is pretty much zero chance of him being a skill fighter at this point.
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What memories are you talking about?
She ate her mother.. that has to come up at some point.
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And yet Blackbeard will end up being a bigger challenge in the end. The plot progression dictates it. Kaido is a stepping stone who will help build Luffys arsenal for his final most challenging fights. Weirdly specific titles be damned.
The beauty of the Blackbeard pirates is that we get to see their journey from nobodies to the biggest villains in one piece.
BB will keep growing just like Luffy, and at the end of the series, he will be stronger than Kaido. Just not now, it doesn't make sense for BB to be stronger than Kaido at this point in story.
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And yet Blackbeard will end up being a bigger challenge in the end. The plot progression dictates it. Kaido is a stepping stone who will help build Luffys arsenal for his final most challenging fights. Weirdly specific titles be damned.
His personality, his shown fighting style, his crews mentality, his stated goals and virtually everything we know about Kaido points to him being a meathead who loves to fight and gets by because of his physical power. There is pretty much zero chance of him being a skill fighter at this point.
As I mentioned in my previous post, why this obsession with succession and improving, why can’t they be of similar strenght just requiring different strategies?
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The beauty of the Blackbeard pirates is that we get to see their journey from nobodies to the biggest villains in one piece.
BB will keep growing just like Luffy, and at the end of the series, he will be stronger than Kaido. Just not now, it doesn't make sense for BB to be stronger than Kaido at this point in story.
But that would surely mean that there is room to grow after beating Kaido. Which is the thing i'm arguing, that Kaido is not the final destination of strength and difficulty in OP and that he simply masters one of the aspects Luffy will have to overcome to reach his goal. Or more succinctly a stepping stone to prepare him for the end game.
As I mentioned in my previous post, why this obsession with succession and improving, why can’t they be of similar strenght just requiring different strategies?
To my mind it is like that thing where the hero has to fight through a challenge. First there is like the weakish guy with strange powers, then maybe the fragile speedster you have to catch, then the big muscle guy who shrugs of the blows and at the end you fight the last guy who is a balanced mix of all their strengths.
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To my mind it is like that thing where the hero has to fight through a challenge. First there is like the weakish guy with strange powers, then maybe the fragile speedster you have to catch, then the big muscle guy who shrugs of the blows and at the end you fight the last guy who is a balanced mix of all their strengths.
That kind of sounds like the East Blue villains.
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Kaido about to get jumped and maybe Luffy lands that last barrage of blows. Nothing points to Croc vs Luffy. Someone might Vegeta (Kid or Law) Kaido from the side or something. Or maybe they Oars him.
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As I mentioned in my previous post, why this obsession with succession and improving, why can’t they be of similar strenght just requiring different strategies?
Challenges that seem impossible to overcome are the bread and butter of One Piece, even if it's been a while since we had these huge growth-battles.
Luffy fighting Doflamingo already started with him saying "I'm beating these guys all the time…", and he did end up beating him as an equal. Same deal with Cracker and Katakuri. And while these "flavor battles" can be satisfying, I believe few readers would put them above Luffy fighting opponents that are way out of his league, at least when it comes to overall magnitude and memorability.
That said, Kaido is supposed to be the wall of the New World, at least judging by Oda wondering how Luffy could possibly beat this monster. Sure there are other
WarlordsYonkou he would still have to defeat, but he's the first gigantic obstacle. And I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder how Oda can keep up the pressure when Luffy already defeated the creature that's supposed to win against anyone in a straight one vs. one.The options on the table, at least what I can think of:
1. Luffy beats Kaido the same way he defeated Enel - through his rather mediocre fruitpower that just happens to be effective against this overwhelmingly powerful enemy. So we would basically get a normal growth battle, with Luffy awakening his power near the end to restrain / capture Kaido. So he's beaten, but not really. Luffy is considered an emperor, but there is still a distance to close before he takes on other people of that calibre [as an equal].
2. Luffy beats Kaido through haki and nakama power (Lucci style). In that case he would be a proper Yonkou, that's his new ballpark. Fighting an Admiral or another Yonkou would be a flavor battle from then on - sometimes in his favor, sometimes not. The only way to up the magnitude of the encounter would be the final antagonists leveling up even further. Which might very well be the case, at least concerning Blackbeard.
(This scenario assumes that Big Mom will be taken out without a direct battle and Shanks not being taken out in a fight either.)3. Kaido is taken down in a group effort. This is something I can absolutely not see, would even bet money that this isn't happening. Any amount actually. At best we get a cool spread with Luffy / Kid / Law striking a pose, Saobody style, while Kid and Law will either get taken down like fodder or they end up fighting the top commanders. I might flip some tables if Zoro and Sanji get their growth battles stolen by the edgelord squad, but I can at least picture it.
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Kaidou is Lucci part 2 so far
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As for it being a skill they all should know if they want to say they're a master swordsman, I dunno about that. Hyou seems to have been revered back in the day, and yet it's something he didn't have. Luffy accessed a level of CoA that was beyond what he was trying to teach him
I might be confused. I had in mind Hyo demonstrating "advanced armaments", i.e. the forcefield thing where attacks land without touching the opponent - which got me thinking several of the Scabbards must have mastered that skill as well. This much, I thought, is the bare minimum required for Kaido to not simply laugh and shrugg off anything one throws at him. Definitely a step up, may land a few hits, but nowhere near good enough to wind a confrontation.
I was however completely oblivious of the next level, the "haki injection" thing that destroys from the inside out. Which Hyo does admit he himself didn't master, so must indeed be quite rare even among Wano elites. That can certainly count for something in the incoming battle and all the training won't have been for naught. I wouldn't want it as the end all, be all, though, I'm hoping it lets Luffy take his first steps on the path to victory but not all the way down, and then we hopefully get to witness further development from everyone. -
Kaidou is Lucci part 2 so far
Right, I'm imagining Lucci being drunk for a whole week, delegating Iceburgs assassination from his bed and stumbling over his CP9 cloak when he tries to threat Robin.
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Although I agree Luffy has to be the one landing the final shot.
Naw, Momo combo.
3. Kaido is taken down in a group effort. This is something I can absolutely not see, would even bet money that this isn't happening. Any amount actually. At best we get a cool spread with Luffy / Kid / Law striking a pose, Saobody style, while Kid and Law will either get taken down like fodder or they end up fighting the top commanders. I might flip some tables if Zoro and Sanji get their growth battles stolen by the edgelord squad, but I can at least picture it.
Momo is 100% going to help. Maybe the final blow, maybe helping Luffy to fly, maybe opening a weak spot in some way… but its gonna be a shared victory.
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Naw, Momo is Orochi's final shot
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Yeah, count me in on [Luffy vs. Kaido] + [Momo vs. Orochi] finishing move double spread.
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Momo is 100% going to help. Maybe the final blow, maybe helping Luffy to fly, maybe opening a weak spot in some way… but its gonna be a shared victory.
What makes you so certain? Especially with Orochi being portrayed as the root of all evil so far?
I might change my mind once we see who ordered Oden's execution, but so far Orochi did more harm to his family than Kaido.
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Kaidou vs Luffy + Law + Kid + x drake
Big Mom vs Hawkins + Killer + Sanji + ZorroEven ganged up, i still doubting they'll do good lol. But in luffy's side you get a man who's been training to reach a new kind of haki so it'll be good.
And on the other side you get a man who didn't lose (or at least didnt get flat) in a fight against an admiral.
So it'll be good… Before shanks come to the recue lol, just kidding
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Naw, Momo combo.
Momo is 100% going to help. Maybe the final blow, maybe helping Luffy to fly, maybe opening a weak spot in some way… but its gonna be a shared victory.
Is this because of Greg's prediction? that Momo, Luffy, Dog Strom and Marco will all team up to fight Kaido as an homage to the legend of Momotaro?
I'd still like to see Luffy, Kid and Law fight Kaido
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What makes you so certain? Especially with Orochi being portrayed as the root of all evil so far?
Basically everything about Momo, starting with his name. Oda didn't name a character after Momotaro and NOT have him be the hero of of his personal story. Luffy making him swear that he'd man up himself instead of just depending on Luffy doing it. Him also being a dragon zoan (and he turned into one subconsciously when he heard Orochi's name) . That Luffy can't possibly beat Orochi on his own and keep the weight of the story after, but he can't get that much help so we're not going to get 47 people all getting in shots that actually do something. The setup of him training to strike a blow with that sound effect he apparently learned from Zoro that we'd never heard before. Oda's been setting that kid up for almost literally a decade now, alongside Kaidou, he's going to get payoff. Plus a bunch of other little things.
Plus, Kaidou killed BOTH of Momo's parents. At least as of Zou that's how we knew it.
Whatever Orochi did, he wasn't even brought up till Wano started. Anyone can beat Orochi, he's the comic relief villain ultimately and we've got nine scabbards who can deal with him. (And 9 heads? 8 snake and 1 human?) .
Yeah it could be Momo that beats Orochi but then who is going to help Luffy with the fight he can't reasonably solo?
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@Shiebs:Is this because of Greg's prediction?
No, I came to the same conclusion on my own for similar reasons and agree with him, which happens a lot because we approach the series in a similar way. Greg thinks about the series more than I do and can explain it better than I can though, he knows his stuff better.
Back when Greg had the cake theory though, that was 100% Greg, I never would have thought of it… but I agreed immediately 100% once he said it that it had to go that route, of course Sanji's fight that arc was going to be cooking based. (Greg's depiction was actually better than what Oda did, tho.)
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I might change my mind once we see who ordered Oden's execution, but so far Orochi did more harm to his family than Kaido.
I mean, Momo did say on Zou that he wanted to beat Kaido.
Zoro in turn said he wanted to kill Orochi with his own hands, although given Orochi's strength I would hope it's not the only final battle action Zoro gets, if he does make good on that statement.