Let's hope this does better than the "reboot" from 2017
Ghostbusters(2020)
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My prediction is that it will be worse than the 2016 movie, but better received, leading to controversy all over again over sexism, racism, and all that lovely stuff.
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how hard will they have to beg bill murray this time
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Are we living in an era that nobody can make something original that will be imprinted to future generations, so they have to resort to nostalgia to make quick cash?
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the industry is afraid to invest in new ideas because their is risk for net loss, and franchise money is all what matters now.
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In the worst case scenario, more young people will check out the old classics at least.
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You'd wish Hollywood would grow a fucking backbone and try new things.
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I'm amazed that any Hollywood studio would even go for making another Ghostbusters movie.
Guess there's no such thing as bad publicity.
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I'm sad we won't be getting a sequel to the 2016 movie, I'm gonna miss Holtzman, but I'm game for this.
I just hope they didn't learn entirely the wrong lesson from the 2016 movie and if this is a "Passing the torch" kinda sequel as the hints suggest, that they aren't afraid to diversify the newbies.
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People dont give enough credit to Ghostbusters (2016). The old cast already did their job, so to expect them to either do better or to have new faces in similar roles was delusional at best or a gamble with incredible odds stacked against it. This is why something different would help an old franchise to renew itself.
The marketing around it is among the best i've ever witnessed: after decades of false starts and short lived sparks of excitement, production begins after the death of one of its key figures. Then when its unveiled to the public it shows that the premise is the same but the main difference is that being set 30 years after the original, technology was now ever more advanced letting imagination run wild with all kinds of gizmos.The reception was heavily mixed and in turn making people talk about it all the more, in many cases revisiting the old ones giving even more attention to the franchise as a whole. The affair reached peaks of notoriety when plenty of associates of the brand started to talk about it flinging accusations to any potential customer, and from there on it was a constant back and forth to keep the discussion alive as long as possible. An interesting development then surfaced: apparently Sony (or whoever associated with the production) was meddling on it, with reported actions aimed at deleting any mild comments of disagreement, while keeping and highlighting any of the loud insensitive ones. All of this proved to work efficiently. Truthfully the estimate of people actively engaged in all of this was extremely low, with everyone else as bystanders following the thrill of it.
It's no surprise then that the end product could never hope to match the scope and ambiguity of what came before it. People were exhausted and there wasnt much else to say or think afterwards.
Now that there is a new one, i wonder if it will be capable of offering something to renew itself after what just transpired, and what new tricks will be engineered to make people fall for it again.
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It's going to make a lot of money.
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My prediction is that it will be worse than the 2016 movie, but better received, leading to controversy all over again over sexism, racism, and all that lovely stuff.
Honestly I don't think so. After what happened in 2016, fans of the original are unlikely to trust any new remake or reboot of Ghostbusters.
Fans of the 2016 movie will be pissed that it isn't a sequel to that, and a not-insignificant number of people will probably refuse to see it because "Sony caved to the haters".It's not completely doomed but they really should've waited another 5-8 years before reviving the franchise.
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For all the complaints of "why doesn't Hollywood ever do anything new"…
They do.
Literally thousands of movies get released every year. (especially if you count foreign films) To say nothing of the sheer quantity of tv shows, live action and animated.
In the next couple weeks we have They Shall Not Grow Old, Mrs. Bala, Escape Room, the Kid Who Would Be King coming out, and no one is talking about them at all, or has even heard of them, and instead we're already dissing on a remake that doesn't come out for two years that we've seen and heard nothing of yet.
We just don't pay any attention to them unless they're known quantities, we don't have the pre-investment unless they're reboots or from creatives we already know. Or in the case of tv shows, it knocks it out of the park and delivers hype immediately. We're focused on Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 and Spiderman and How to Train Your Dragon 3 and Toy Story 4 and remakes of Aladdin and Lion King.
How many people on this forum cared about Molly's Game last year? Absolutely no one. Except me, because I'm a huge fan of the writer, Aaron Sorkin (the West Wing guy). I saw that movie and enjoyed it, and it was a new thing, but it didn't make huge bank or draw any attention to itself. Even though its the same writer that did A Few Good Men and Social Network, that should be a talked about thing... but it ain't.
Then you move over to actually expensive special effects films, where its going to cost 200 million dollars to make, and another 100 million to advertise, and theaters are going to take half the earnings, so it needs to make 600 million just to break even? Yeah, at the point its really rough to put an investment into something wholly new. Something proven with a track record and built in fanbase... has a better shot.
But then you look at how the last Star Trek film did, or the DC universe films that aren't Wonder Woman, or Shrek, and well... even name recognition only goes so far when you have awful films as your most immediate precedent.
Or take a look at this very forum. How many pages of discussion did the Voltron reboot garner over 100 episodes and three years? Five. Even though its a really good solid show... no one in this forum's age bracket has any attachment to it. How much for Bojack Horseman, a well written critically acclaimed thing? Seven. Castlevania? Two.
But how many for Duck Tales? Twenty nine. ANd the first ten pages were before the show even came out!
Those are all threads that were started in early 2015. And are still on the front page of that section. Recognition of a beloved thing is strong, and goes a long way, if its the right thing.
(Steven Universe as a wholly new thing has managed more discussion, but it really hit a chord with this audience. The Avatar thread is hard to judge given its been two different series now.)
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Is it possible to have the exact same cast? Murray, Aykroyd etc?
No passing the torch, just them keeping the torch + swallowing the torch at the end of the movie?
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Is it possible to have the exact same cast? Murray, Aykroyd etc?
No passing the torch, just them keeping the torch + swallowing the torch at the end of the movie?
Only if you do it entirely in CG and use the video game's story and dialogue.
It's been like 30 years. They're all super old now, and one of them has died. There's really no way to do it as an immediate sequel without super playing up the "too old for this" bit.
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The last time Aykroyd did a sequel when he was old and a main cast member had died was…interesting...:ninja:
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You'd wish Hollywood would grow a fucking backbone and try new things.
Yeah we need more original stuff that also's pissed upon like adaptations or spin-offs.
I'm amazed that any Hollywood studio would even go for making another Ghostbusters movie.
Guess there's no such thing as bad publicity.
Well everybody does try to forget Ghostbusters 2 happened for some reason.
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Ah, I had a bad feeling about the health of the main cast, sad that one of them actually died. But the others are like 60 something? This is nothing for an actor!
They can do a Ghostbusters that obviously adresses the fact that they are old, but without turning it into a seniors parody.
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Bet on how many movies they can release named simply Ghostbusters before the next member of the original's main cast dies.
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Ah, I had a bad feeling about the health of the main cast, sad that one of them actually died. But the others are like 60 something? This is nothing for an actor!
They can do a Ghostbusters that obviously adresses the fact that they are old, but without turning it into a seniors parody.
Akroyd is 67 this year. Murray is 68. Hudson is 73. Weaver is 69. Ramis has died. Even for movie characters toning down the age and faking it, they're way too old to even pretend to "just now be reaching retiring age in a super active job." They would have been too old or that even in the 2016 film.
And Rick Moranis retired from acting twenty years ago, so… no. There's really no getting them back together for a proper sendoff as the old characters at this point. The time for that would have been the late 90's, early 00's at the latest.
Best we've got is the video game from 2009 that got them all to do the voices, and was actually written by Akroyd and Ramis. (I have no idea how they convinced Murray to come in and record lines. Personal favor? Or maybe he was willing because it was only like an hour of his time and he phoned it in)
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Akroyd is 67 this year. Murray is 68. Hudson is 73. Weaver is 69. Ramis has died. Even for movie characters toning down the age and faking it, they're way too old to even pretend to "just now be reaching retiring age in a super active job." They would have been too old or that even in the 2016 film.
And Rick Moranis retired from acting twenty years ago, so… no. There's really no getting them back together for a proper sendoff as the old characters at this point. The time for that would have been the late 90's, early 00's at the latest.
Best we've got is the video game from 2009 that got them all to do the voices, and was actually written by Akroyd and Ramis. (I have no idea how they convinced Murray to come in and record lines. Personal favor? Or maybe he was willing because it was only like an hour of his time and he phoned it in)
I wasn't aware of this, at all.
I might actually watch it when I have the time O_o. The youtube comments seem favorable.
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It actually is pretty good. A bit long for an actual film, and awkward because it IS a video game so they're addressing the player from time to time, but pretty solid.
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I like the Ghostbusters crossover comic books. Different teams can work, but I think the franchise has the same problem as Star Wars. It's grown so big and so personal to so many fans there'll always be a big chunk of people that hate it no matter what you do.
Anyway, I want it to continue, Ghostbusters is one of the best ideas for a story ever. I say go with the in-universe franchise idea from the comics and give us a different team in a different city (or parallel universe) a movie and give the popular ones sequels.
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I see nothing wrong with having the old guys heavily involved with whatever's happening now. Old folks that age still work all over the world, doing all types of jobs, especially fairly unofficial ones like "Ghostbusting" where the retirement and Social Security benefits are likely not up to snuff. I'd wager we'll get some kind of passing of the torch, at least, from these guys. And if the torch has already been passed, they'll still be involved, heavily, in some way or shape.
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Are we living in an era that nobody can make something original that will be imprinted to future generations, so they have to resort to nostalgia to make quick cash?
Yes, 100 times yes.
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Can we just pick up the characters of Extreme Ghostubusters to avoid the unnecessary complains about casting?
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Or, the New Ghostbusters (Janine, Kylie from Extreme GB, FBI Agent Ortiz, and Ron [a guy who tried to start his own ghostbusting business using stolen proton pack plans]) from the comics. Switch Janine with her daughter or niece, throw in a Walter Peck character trying to keep them under his/her thumb, and there we go.
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Can we just let Ghostbusters rest in peace? The only good things that came out of it was the original movie, the animated show, and Ecto Cooler. They could have made up for the awfulness of the sequel if they picked back up right away, but after all these years I can't imagine it would be anything but depressing.
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Like Nectar, I've been enjoying the hell out of IDW's Ghostbuster comics (their Ninja Turtles and recently ended Transformers books are also excellent) and wouldn't mind seeing some sort of influence in there. Although I doubt a dimensional portal that allows access to the 2016 universe would work as well in a movie.
But I'd have no problem with a passing of the torch type movie where the 80s guys are masters in their fields and have a team of trainees who are science savvy enough to introduce new elements and angles to capturing ghosts.
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But I'd have no problem with a passing of the torch type movie where the 80s guys are masters in their fields and have a team of trainees who are science savvy enough to introduce new elements and angles to capturing ghosts.
I think that'd pretty much have to be it…unless it's a last hurrah and they all go out one more time to save the world or something, and they just find someone to take Egon's place.
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The cast will be 4 teens, two male and two female from what I have read, but I am sure the old cast will be back to pass the torch and play a mentor role. Aykroid already confirmed he would be in the movie months ago, so bringing Hudson and Murray in as well shouln't be a big deal, considering Jason Reitman is directing and there is obvious history there.
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That trailer largely did nothing for me. Nothing outside of the nostalgic memorabilia felt like Ghostbusters to me. I did kinda dig the mega toyetic Ecto1 battle seat tho.
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But didn't they say some of the old guys are in the new movie? So they were just talking about cameos and the main cast is a bunch of kids?
Thanks, I hate it. But I guess it's just one of those movies you're supposed to take your children to. Some nostalgia for you and the kids swallow whatever anyway.
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Bile Fascination here but what are they bitching about now?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Bile Fascination here but what are they bitching about now?
Mostly comments about how everyone ignores the 2016 movie and how THIS is a Ghostbuster trailer the franchise deserved. Oh, and comments about one of the child actors who apparently has some sort of fanbase.
Personally I'm just mega bitter because they teased with the old actors coming back… and now I'm confronted with this main cast.
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Bile Fascination here but what are they bitching about now?
Douchebros cheering about how they were right all along about the 2016 movie being a travesty, and they were right all along for trashing that "feminazi sjw crap".
Nevermind that Ghostbusters 2 exists and is the actual worst Ghostbusters movie.
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Douchebros cheering about how they were right all along about the 2016 movie being a travesty, and they were right all along for trashing that "feminazi sjw crap".
Nevermind that Ghostbusters 2 exists and is the actual worst Ghostbusters movie.
Especially since the problem with the 2016 Ghost Busters movie wasn't the women leads, just bad writing and gross out humor and bringing nothing new to the table in terms of plot
They could have done the exact same movie with men and it would be just as bad if not worse
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Douchebros cheering about how they were right all along about the 2016 movie being a travesty, and they were right all along for trashing that "feminazi sjw crap".
Nevermind that Ghostbusters 2 exists and is the actual worst Ghostbusters movie.
Nevermind the potential issue of the movie underperforming.
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I read the comments and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Douchebros cheering about how they were right all along about the 2016 movie being a travesty, and they were right all along for trashing that "feminazi sjw crap".
Nevermind that Ghostbusters 2 exists and is the actual worst Ghostbusters movie.
I mean that's their opinion so who cares what they think about the 2016 movie that doesn't make them douchebags, also the 2016 movie was trash and it's not because the movie was an all female cast and as for Ghostbusters 2 well it's been a while since I watched that movie and barely remember it so I have no opinion on that movie.
Especially since the problem with the 2016 Ghost Busters movie wasn't the women leads, just bad writing and gross out humor and bringing nothing new to the table in terms of plot
They could have done the exact same movie with men and it would be just as bad if not worse
Pretty much this, you could replace the all female cast with male cast and keep everything else the same and that movie would still be trash.
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You could still potentially turn out the same movie of dubious quality with an all male cast but would you still have the toxic and shitty comments from the "DiVeRSiTY iS RuiNiNG EvEryThInG I lIke" crowd?
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I mean that's their opinion so who cares what they think about the 2016 movie that doesn't make them douchebags,
First of all, youtube or the studio currated the comments. There was a LOT worse stuff a couple hours ago. Aside from that…
Are you aware of the contorversy and all the massive shit dudebros pulled on the previous movie? It went way, WAY beyond "just stating an opinion", down to harassment campaigns and death threats.
People chiming in on this one going "see, I knew my opinion about that last one was valid" is tied to an INCREDIBLY toxic and problematic subset.
When the comment thread is full of quotes like
"still unesseasery feminism is unesseasery"
"Paul: "There hasn't been a ghost sighting in 30 years"
Leslie Jones: Eerie unintelligible screeches in the background"
"We went from real men to women and now f***king kids?"
who feel like this film is justifying them being hatemongers, that's not great.The same opinions being given on a trailer for the remake of say, Spiderman, are different because there wasn't a huge sexism and death threat campaign aimed at the actors of Amazing Spiderman.
also the 2016 movie was trash
Naw. It was fine. It was entertaining and earned a few laughs, and Kate McKinnon was great in every scene she was in. It wasn't a fantastic movie, no, and they certainly needed a tighter script than "let everyone do improv and we'll assemble it in the edit" but it was an entertaining enough outing on its own merits. It wasn't trash.
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Are you aware of the contorversy and all the massive shit dudebros pulled on the previous movie? It went way, WAY beyond "just stating an opinion", down to harassment campaigns and death threats.
People chiming in on this one going "see, I knew my opinion about that last one was valid" is tied to an INCREDIBLY toxic and problematic subset.
The same opinions being given on a trailer for the remake of say, Spiderman, are different because there wasn't a huge sexism and death threat campaign aimed at the actors of Amazing Spiderman.
Naw. It was fine. It was entertaining and earned a few laughs, and Kate McKinnon was great in every scene she was in. It wasn't a fantastic movie, no, but it wasn't trash.
If they want to talk trash about the movie that's again their own opinions and I have no problem with it, the only thing I don't agree with are the harassment campaigns and death threats. Also if you think the movie was fine then good for you that's your opinion, but for me the movie was trash.
You could still potentially turn out the same movie of dubious quality with an all male cast but would you still have the toxic and shitty comments from the "DiVeRSiTY iS RuiNiNG EvEryThInG I lIke" crowd?
Even if the 2016 movie was an all male cast, I'm pretty sure the movie would still get the same amount of hate the only difference is that no one would blame the sjw. Also I read a lot of those comments and barely any one blamed being the movie being bad because of diversity, sure there are some people that may blame the movie being bad because of diversity but most people think the movie was bad for other actual reasons.
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Especially since the problem with the 2016 Ghost Busters movie wasn't the women leads, just bad writing and gross out humor and bringing nothing new to the table in terms of plot
They could have done the exact same movie with men and it would be just as bad if not worse
Which is, like, the actual point.
The movie was garbage but the criticism against it were dismissed by the actors and the directors because according to them, people just hated the female-cast idea and not because the female cast was actually garbage and the jokes themselves were written by a mentally ill fifth-grader.
Remove Ghost Busters name and remove the progress-bs that it was going for and you are left with a completely forgettable garbage modern comedy flick.
Anyone who thinks is that people hate Ghost Busters 2016 because of the all-female-cast and not because of the way that idea was handled as well as the actual quality of the film clearly hasn't paid any attention to the backlash.
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You could still potentially turn out the same movie of dubious quality with an all male cast but would you still have the toxic and shitty comments from the "DiVeRSiTY iS RuiNiNG EvEryThInG I lIke" crowd?
All-cast male movies aren't advertised as ground-breaking progressive-films that are about to change the landscapes of films forever.
Female-cast films are.
And all of them are either extremely mediocre, forgettable or downright horrible. Which is why they use the progressive angles because its 2019 so dumb people will praise garbage if it featured modern hip culture.
Good film-making is good film-making. It has nothing to do with male or female which is a concept that many many modern directors don't understand and then whine when their shitty manufactured product doesn't get praised.
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All-cast male movies aren't advertised as ground-breaking progressive-films that are about to change the landscapes of films forever.
Makes sense when you remember how many films over the last 100 years or so have been dominated by largely male casts male directors, male producers, male writers etc.
So of course why would they advertise something that's not actually new or ground breaking something that Hollywood routinely gets shit for.
And all of them are either extremely mediocre, forgettable or downright horrible. Which is why they use the progressive angles because its 2019 so dumb people will praise garbage if it featured modern hip culture.
Yeah they're no dumber than the people whining about conspiracies and agendas or taking a comment from an actress and construing it as misandryst/racist.
Good film-making is good film-making. It has nothing to do with male or female which is a concept that many many modern directors don't understand and then whine when their shitty manufactured product doesn't get praised.
I mean maybe but that doesn't really answer my original question.
Even if the 2016 movie was an all male cast, I'm pretty sure the movie would still get the same amount of hate
Yeah I don't recall Henry Cavill or Ben Affleck getting the anywhere near the level of shit for Man Of Steel and BvS that Leslie Jones and Marie Tran got for Ghostbusters and Last Jedi. Zack Snyder maybe but not the actual actors who were on screen.
the only difference is that no one would blame the sjw.
…..Have you seen the bitching about the scene in Endgame with all the female heroes?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Makes sense when you remember how many films over the last 100 years or so have been dominated by largely male casts male directors, male producers, male writers etc.
Yes, I remember 2001 A Space Odyssey being good because of male-actors and male-director and not because the movie was actually good.
Just looking forward to a time when all the classic movies start getting bashed for featuring male-leads and trash like 2016 Ghost Busters being considered modern masterpieces because all-female cast.
Quality be damned.
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Why not Gone With The Wind gets shat on for it's datedness.
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I never got why people hate on Ghostbusters 2 so hard.
It was worse sure, but it ain't bad.
