@Zhenja - I stand corrected. Tho I have a hard time imagining Pekoms reforming Nox pirates.
Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
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One thing I'll say at least for now is that if people are so inclined and drive the idea home so hard to think that either she'll stay on Wano or go with another crew, then I think it could be reasonable to expect of them at some point to elaborate on the purpose or point in Yamato doing so, because certainly we don't want whatever she'll end up doing to not have a point and be "pointless," right? And what Yamato can do that characters like Kinemon, Hyogoro, the Minks, and Zunesha can't do that would necessitate her so much.
I pretty much completely agree Yamato's leaving Wano. I don't think they're joining a different crew; I believe they're getting their own new crew to lead. The biggest vibes I get from the character are more in line with them being a new Law or Sabo. Strong connection with Luffy will always be there, but competent enough to be out doing their own thing. Tama and Carrot are too young and too weak to see in such a role. Kinemon is the only scabbard that could be seen as relevant enough to shine in the role, but he's got a wife and strong commitment to stay and help rebuild and help Momo. The rest are too irrelevant or invested in Wano. Izo seems like he'd be in the range of someone who'd take charge of a group if they want to leave Wano and see the world and he's certainly no more than a potential grand fleet leader. Momo is the only other contender for this and I'm personally still not ready to accept adult Momoden.
Oda has spent so much of the post-timeskip building up the new generation. Law and Kidd (but Law moreso) are front and center to be part of the next age of Legends. Every faction is getting it though. The revolutionary Army would've been fine with just Dragon and Iva, but he went through the effort to give them their own "new generation" with Koala, Hack, and Sabo as the face. Coby is climbing ranks fast and growing into what should be expected as a leader figure for the Marines in the future. We saw Katakuri's growth from Mama's scary strongest serious enforcer into the respectable family lover and have had it made fairly clear he'll be the real next leader of the family. Why would Kaido's faction get any different treatment?
Yamato is perfect to continue Oda's trend and give a new generation successor for the Beast Pirates. You might think the beast pirates don't need to still exist or have any semblance of representation in the world post-Wano, but that what would be pointless to me. And of course, Yamato will probably give their new crew a new name (do you think Katakuri would change the crew's name to the Charlotte Family pirates?).
Will it be made up of allied Minks and Samurai that want to go out and see the world and Yamato will be the only thing standing as a Beast Pirate representative? Or could the turncoats and gifters all get together under him? Feels like there's more in line for the latter, while the Minks and Samurai could get together and make a new grand fleet faction. Hard to say, could just be all of the above.
Oda's spent time softening up the Beast Pirates. They're a far cry from the hateable monsters at the start of the arc attacking Tama and threatening citizens for the slightest of criticisms. Queen and Jack if you're a mink are pretty much the only 2 firmly holding onto the hate magnet. The rest of the army range from pitiable mooks just trying to survive; to the amusing turncoats and the followers that don't seem likely to head out on their own (Ulti, Pay Pay, Maria, the gifters, the numbers); to King and Kaido actively getting empathetic background moments and Kaido practically going through the same Katakuri transformation (at least in growing to like Luffy). I don't think Oda's just gonna send this army out in droves to be captured by the government or jailed in Wano itself anymore and just tell us to forget about them. Cp0 just crossed the line on the former, so can't imagine any negotiations happening anymore. It feels like Oda's been building to the point to expect them to be hanging around a bit post-arc, looking for new crews to join, rather than just rushing to brush them away.
It's a great message to have Yamato go their own way, on the direction they dictate after years of being stuck. Of course that still works somewhat if that direction is with Luffy, but it would hit a lot harder if they got to steer their own ship both metaphorically and literally. All of this is something only someone as strong, capable, relevant, and to be frank, as popular as Yamato can fill the role for. Seeing them go out with their own crew, lead their own adventure, and become as quickly famous as the rest of the new legends should be a great ending for Yamato's arc. Oda's been building his new generation major faces for ages now and this would be a good place to end it, cause to be frank, the rest of the supernovas just aren't up to snuff to really be a part of this anymore.
Anyway, "pointless" is subjective at the end of the day. This took way too long to type up, so I could definitely say this was pointless.
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Oden anticipated that Momo will be able to talk to Zuneasha.
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But that can only take us back to question why Yamato didnt ever think Oden's whole plan was ruined when she lived believing the Kozukis were gone.
So either way, I'm spotting quite the plothole here, or as I elaborated earlier, the Journal only says a shogun that wants to open Wano and speaks with Zunesha* will be requiered, without explicitly putting any names on it, and Yamato is just noticing Momo's the one just recently.
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But that can only take us back to question why Yamato didnt ever think Oden's whole plan was ruined when she lived believing the Kozukis were gone.
So either way, I'm spotting quite the plothole here, or as I elaborated earlier, the Journal only says a shogun that wants to open Wano and speaks with Zunesha* will be requiered, without explicitly putting any names on it, and Yamato is just noticing Momo's the one just recently.
She was prob anticipating that new generation who would come in 20 years to defeat Kaido even if she didn't know all the details, so I don't think that's a plothole here.
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She was prob anticipating that new generation who would come in 20 years to defeat Kaido even if she didn't know all the details, so I don't think that's a plothole here.
Its entirely different, how could she be anticipating the return of someone she thought was dead?
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Its entirely different, how could she be anticipating the return of someone she thought was dead?
Well that's probably where inheriting someone's will comes into play.
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It's possible Yamato chose to take up that role himself. Thinking that all the Kozuki were gone, Yamato chose to be Oden and take the place of not just him but Momonosuke as well in otder to fulfill Oden's wishes.
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I pretty much completely agree Yamato's leaving Wano. I don't think they're joining a different crew; I believe they're getting their own new crew to lead. The biggest vibes I get from the character are more in line with them being a new Law or Sabo. Strong connection with Luffy will always be there, but competent enough to be out doing their own thing. Tama and Carrot are too young and too weak to see in such a role. Kinemon is the only scabbard that could be seen as relevant enough to shine in the role, but he's got a wife and strong commitment to stay and help rebuild and help Momo. The rest are too irrelevant or invested in Wano. Izo seems like he'd be in the range of someone who'd take charge of a group if they want to leave Wano and see the world and he's certainly no more than a potential grand fleet leader. Momo is the only other contender for this and I'm personally still not ready to accept adult Momoden.
Oda has spent so much of the post-timeskip building up the new generation. Law and Kidd (but Law moreso) are front and center to be part of the next age of Legends. Every faction is getting it though. The revolutionary Army would've been fine with just Dragon and Iva, but he went through the effort to give them their own "new generation" with Koala, Hack, and Sabo as the face. Coby is climbing ranks fast and growing into what should be expected as a leader figure for the Marines in the future. We saw Katakuri's growth from Mama's scary strongest serious enforcer into the respectable family lover and have had it made fairly clear he'll be the real next leader of the family. Why would Kaido's faction get any different treatment?
Yamato is perfect to continue Oda's trend and give a new generation successor for the Beast Pirates. You might think the beast pirates don't need to still exist or have any semblance of representation in the world post-Wano, but that what would be pointless to me. And of course, Yamato will probably give their new crew a new name (do you think Katakuri would change the crew's name to the Charlotte Family pirates?).
Will it be made up of allied Minks and Samurai that want to go out and see the world and Yamato will be the only thing standing as a Beast Pirate representative? Or could the turncoats and gifters all get together under him? Feels like there's more in line for the latter, while the Minks and Samurai could get together and make a new grand fleet faction. Hard to say, could just be all of the above.
Oda's spent time softening up the Beast Pirates. They're a far cry from the hateable monsters at the start of the arc attacking Tama and threatening citizens for the slightest of criticisms. Queen and Jack if you're a mink are pretty much the only 2 firmly holding onto the hate magnet. The rest of the army range from pitiable mooks just trying to survive; to the amusing turncoats and the followers that don't seem likely to head out on their own (Ulti, Pay Pay, Maria, the gifters, the numbers); to King and Kaido actively getting empathetic background moments and Kaido practically going through the same Katakuri transformation (at least in growing to like Luffy). I don't think Oda's just gonna send this army out in droves to be captured by the government or jailed in Wano itself anymore and just tell us to forget about them. Cp0 just crossed the line on the former, so can't imagine any negotiations happening anymore. It feels like Oda's been building to the point to expect them to be hanging around a bit post-arc, looking for new crews to join, rather than just rushing to brush them away.
It's a great message to have Yamato go their own way, on the direction they dictate after years of being stuck. Of course that still works somewhat if that direction is with Luffy, but it would hit a lot harder if they got to steer their own ship both metaphorically and literally. All of this is something only someone as strong, capable, relevant, and to be frank, as popular as Yamato can fill the role for. Seeing them go out with their own crew, lead their own adventure, and become as quickly famous as the rest of the new legends should be a great ending for Yamato's arc. Oda's been building his new generation major faces for ages now and this would be a good place to end it, cause to be frank, the rest of the supernovas just aren't up to snuff to really be a part of this anymore.
Anyway, "pointless" is subjective at the end of the day. This took way too long to type up, so I could definitely say this was pointless.
Hmm, if anything, I think Tama would be the one being a large influence, if not, a leader herself for the Beasts Pirates since many of them after gifters having been tamed by Tama, and seemed to take a genuine liking towards her. In that respect, she might seem closer to them than Yamato anyway, so Tama might fit that new Beasts Pirates successor more.
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Yamato has never once placed Momonosuke above Luffy within this arc. The aspect driving Yamato from 2 years ago and currently is Luffy. Oda has consistently placed Luffy as the motivating force for Yamato and has NOT ONCE deviated from it during this arc. Luffy has always been Yamato's number one since Yamato made the connection between Luffy and Joy Boy. Oda is not scripting any conflict within Yamato's mind about not following through with his desire to board the Thousand Sunny after Kaido is defeated and Wano is liberated.
Yamato revealed themselves to the Beast Pirates (Ulti) after being in hiding for the day because of Luffy.
Yamato revealed the existence of Oden's journal because he met Luffy.
Yamato requested he get a ride aboard the Thousand Sunny because of Luffy (something he never even asked Ace).
Yamato resolved to become Kozuki Oden in this day because of Luffy (who removed the explosive shackles).
Yamato actively went against the Beast Pirates because of Luffy.
Yamato protected Momonosuke because of Luffy (requested).
Yamato revealed the relevance of Ace's story to Momonosuke because of Luffy.
Yamato gave Momonosuke Oden's journal to both help Momonosuke understand Oden's life and to understand the importance of the New Generation which Luffy is a representative of.
Yamato abandoned Momonosuke because of Luffy (to help him).
Yamato stood up to Kaido and expressed his intentions because of Luffy.
Yamato fought Kaido because of Luffy (Yamato believes Luffy is the man Oden was waiting for).
Yamato left Kaido because of Luffy (wanted to respect Luffy's wishes)
Yamato helped Momonosuke again because of Luffy (requested).
Yamato left Momonosuke again (to deal with the Onigashima explosives) because of Luffy - Yamato believed Luffy would defeat Kaido and wanted to avoid the worse case scenario in case Momonosuke couldn't prevent the Island from collapsing on top of the Flower Capital.Yamato knows Momonosuke will guide the world to the DAWN but he also realises that Luffy's role is something much more significant in the grand scheme of destiny and inherited wills. Within Yamato's mind there is no doubt in following Luffy.
Also Luffy possibly being relevant to Joy Boy by way of Oden waiting for Luffy and Kaido speculating Luffy could be Joy Boy as well as Pirate King if he was strong enough to beat him.
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Regarding luffys use of Yamao, o think it’ll be like that until Yamato finalizes themselves as a person seperate from Kozuki oden
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Regarding luffys use of Yamao, o think it’ll be like that until Yamato finalizes themselves as a person seperate from Kozuki oden
That would be prob be bingo and right on the money, like how Chopper used to want to be a human to feel better, but then stopped wanting that after he met Luffy.
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Luffy really trusted Carrot and the others to hold things down on the Sunny as he left to fight Kata.
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Another chapter, another good day for Team Yamato.
I'd say this chapter kinda just ruined two more things deniers were expecting to happen.
1-That Yamato would be inspired by Momo and become his
servantfriend, instead, she's utterly dissappointed that Momo considered surrender at the first sign of defeat, and lectured him about what it'll be like if he does something like that.And 2-Yeah, I suppose Yamato would react in some way upon seeing Momo looking exactly like daddy, but witnessing the return of Joy Boy himself is totally going to ecplise it, and reinforce her train of thoughts about having chosen Luffy as a Captain.
Also, the way Yamato uses the word 'Samurai' as if it was just synonyms with being brave, sure speaks of how much respect she has for them, but nothing there indicates its her greatest dream to become one, since she uses it so randomly without giving it a solemn tone to it the way others express their deepest dreams.
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1-That Yamato would be inspired by Momo and become his
servantfriend, instead, she's utterly dissappointed that Momo considered surrender at the first sign of defeat, and lectured him about what it'll be like if he does something like that.What are you talking about? THis is still bonding. It's Momo learning from Yamato, so that Momo can overcome his own fear later. By the end of it, their bond will be stronger, not weaker.
Or what? Are relationships supposed to always be wholesome? Can't people have disagreements? Lecture each other? Make each other better?
No, Momo being afraid is a reminder that he is still a child in a 28-year body. THat he still needs Yamato to guide him.
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As stated in that post, Yamato is dissappointed at him, that's hardly going to make her change her mind about having chosen the one who never gives up.
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This is still bonding. It's Yamato teaching what a samurai is supposed to be, remembering the Daimyo that sacrificed themselves to save him, and confronting Momonosuke's fears.
Momonosuke is still a child. He still needs Yamato.
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Yamato wouldnt usurp Hiyori's place in Momo's life, neither Momo would give her a better place than his actual sister.
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Yamato wouldnt usurp Hiyori's place in Momo's life, neither Momo would give her a better place than his actual sister.
Yamato is not Momo's sister, nor his father, nor his caretaker. He's his friend, probably the closest one.
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That was exaggerated, Kinemon and Luffy are clearly closest friends, easily.
All we know so far is that Yamato hasnt expressed the slightest intent of backing up from joining Luffy and leaving Wano, and that she's dissappointed at Momo.
The flow keeps going in one direction only.
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That was exaggerated, Kinemon and Luffy are clearly closest friends, easily.
All we know so far is that Yamato hasnt expressed the slightest intent of backing up from joining Luffy and leaving Wano, and that she's dissappointed at Momo.
The flow keeps going in one direction only.
Kin'emon is Momo's caretaker. To him, Momo is both a child and his master, they've developed quite a relationship, but not one of friendship, where there's equality.
Luffy is Momo's friend, and until Yamato arrived he was Momo's best friend no doubt. But Yamato is slowly taking that spot.
As for Yamato being disappointed, that's a fleeting sentiment. The bonding is stronger than that.
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Luffy also doesn't treat Momo like a lord, he better stay in Wano and be friends with him because Momo needs more of those. Screw his own ambitions. Momo would also feel absolutely no guilt if his incompetence shackles people to a place they don't want to stay at
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Momonosuke is still a child. He still needs Yamato.
All of that ends with Kaidous defeat…
As Luffy said, when Momo was supposed to bite Kidou back on the roof... who else does he have to fear after Kaidou?
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Kin'emon is Momo's caretaker. To him, Momo is both a child and his master, they've developed quite a relationship, but not one of friendship, where there's equality.
Luffy is Momo's friend, and until Yamato arrived he was Momo's best friend no doubt. But Yamato is slowly taking that spot.
As for Yamato being disappointed, that's a fleeting sentiment. The bonding is stronger than that.
Exactly. Yamato is the closest person to Momo besides Luffy who doesn't treat him as a lord. Yamato's been guiding him (on his DF, how samurai behave, riding him lol etc.), giving him sound advice (even when whacking him), and teaching him what it means to lead. Luffy's interactions with him have been relatively limited in comparison. Luffy's biggest connection was making Momo ask for his help. Yamato knows what Momo is supposed to be. The people around Momo (Kinemon, Hinobu, etc.) aren't in the best position to help him get there. Yamato has been far more impactful in a shorter period of time.
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This is still bonding. It's Yamato teaching what a samurai is supposed to be, remembering the Daimyo that sacrificed themselves to save him, and confronting Momonosuke's fears.
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Momonosuke is still a child. He still needs Yamato.
Not surprised some are using this as a rationale for Yamato never leaving Wano as if Yamato can be the only one he can depend on, even though the Scabbards, Hyogoro, the Yakuza, Wano citizen supporters are there, including Momo's relationship with Zunesha and the Minks.
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Another chapter, another good day for Team Yamato.
I'd say this chapter kinda just ruined two more things deniers were expecting to happen.
1-That Yamato would be inspired by Momo and become his
servantfriend, instead, she's utterly dissappointed that Momo considered surrender at the first sign of defeat, and lectured him about what it'll be like if he does something like that.And 2-Yeah, I suppose Yamato would react in some way upon seeing Momo looking exactly like daddy, but witnessing the return of Joy Boy himself is totally going to ecplise it, and reinforce her train of thoughts about having chosen Luffy as a Captain.
Also, the way Yamato uses the word 'Samurai' as if it was just synonyms with being brave, sure speaks of how much respect she has for them, but nothing there indicates its her greatest dream to become one, since she uses it so randomly without giving it a solemn tone to it the way others express their deepest dreams.
Yeah, her talk wasn't really different from how Luffy was talking to him about Momo needing to step up and give himself more courage after biting and Emperor, and I don't see Luffy having to stay on Wano just to baby and support him on that. Neither with Yamato since despite what she was telling Momo, I still don't get the feeling that she is conflicted on choosing between Wano and Luffy, akin to Vivi's conflict.
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Hoping next chapter, Yamato doesn't avoid the crew again. Its becoming a meme now. They are right there. You can continue Retainer Duty and still get real interactions with them.
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I feel like any other SH would've expressed the exact same speech to Momo, Yamato just understands better the suffering of Wano thru those 20 years.
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Like Momo's dropkicking sister isn't perfect to make him a good Shogun/Samurai…
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And there's certainly some build up towards his reunion with Hiyori.
I really just dont see that scamming lady getting side-lined in Momo's life by an Oden impostor.
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Hoping next chapter, Yamato doesn't avoid the crew again. Its becoming a meme now. They are right there. You can continue Retainer Duty and still get real interactions with them.
Agreed. I don't deny that Oda has been purposefully keeping her from the rest of the crew since he even avoided a panty joke between Brook and her. I don't agree that Luffy assigned Yamato an "obligation with being retainer" though. I imagine that Momo will truly get his big sister figure to help guide him once he meets up with Hiyori again, since Hiyori hasn't expressed interest in leaving.
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Agreed. I don't deny that Oda has been purposefully keeping her from the rest of the crew since he even avoided a panty joke between Brook and her. I don't agree that Luffy assigned Yamato an "obligation with being retainer" though. I imagine that Momo will truly get his big sister figure to help guide him once he meets up with Hiyori again, since Hiyori hasn't expressed interest in leaving.
I don't believe Luffy assigned him. He just keeps coming back by some means. Now that you mention it. I think of Zunesha being cursed to walk for so long. I hope Yamato isn't under some curse to always keep coming back to Momo.
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I don't believe Luffy assigned him. He just keeps coming back by some means. Now that you mention it. I think of Zunesha being cursed to walk for so long. I hope Yamato isn't under some curse to always keep coming back to Momo.
Zunesha's crime and sentence seems more World Government-related than anything else. I can see Yamato partially dedicating herself to venturing out with Luffy for Momo's sake, in the sense of gaining crucial info needed to further the betterment of Wano or something along those lines, similar to Jinbe venturing out with Luffy partially for the sake of bettering Fish-Man Island's friendship with humans, even though Jinbe has admiration for Fish-Man Island.
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As I said around 50 chapters ago, I think Yamato and Momo are presented like a pair – there are too many parallels and they're always developing their bond onscreen.
However, that doesn't mean Yamato won't join the crew. I think both of them could join together.
The endgame of the series is the next thing in the story, and it's inevitable to have around all the characters meant to play a role to bring the dawn of the world -- and that probably includes Momo and Yamato. We don't need to leave them behind just to bring them back one minute later.
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As I said around 50 chapters ago, I think Yamato and Momo are presented like a pair – there are too many parallels and they're always developing their bond onscreen.
That's interesting since Yamato has left Momo multiple times and has been mostly talking about Luffy to him in the times they have been together, like Luffy's true dream and Luffy putting Wano on his shoulders.
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However, that doesn't mean Yamato won't join the crew. I think both of them could join together.
The endgame of the series is the next thing in the story, and it's inevitable to have around all the characters meant to play a role to bring the dawn of the world – and that probably includes Momo and Yamato. We don't need to leave them behind just to bring them back one minute later.
I just don't see Momo and Yamato turning back on their ambitions despite all that has happened: Momo wanting to be shogun of Wano and Yamato wanting to leave with Luffy, partially to further understand Oden's intentions possibly.
And worst comes to worst, Luffy could always declare Wano his territory like Fish-Man Island and come back to it if it gets in huge trouble again too.
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That's interesting since Yamato has left Momo multiple times and has been mostly talking about Luffy to him in the times they have been together, like Luffy's true dream and Luffy putting Wano on his shoulders.
Even the way you're framing the story doesn't counter the fact that "there are too many parallels between Momo and Yamato" and "they're always developing their bond onscreen". I think they're presented as a pair.
I just don't see Momo and Yamato turning back on their ambitions despite all that has happened: Momo wanting to be shogun of Wano and Yamato wanting to leave with Luffy, partially to further understand Oden's intentions possibly.
And worst comes to worst, Luffy could always declare Wano his territory like Fish-Man Island and come back to it if it gets in huge trouble again too.
Momo will be Shogun of Wano one day… but that can wait one month after they bring the Dawn to the world. After all, this is Momo's duty according to the journal.
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Even the way you're framing the story doesn't counter the fact that "there are too many parallels between Momo and Yamato" and "they're always developing their bond onscreen". I think they're presented as a pair.
And likewise can be said how Yamato has interacted and talked about Luffy, yep.
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Momo will be Shogun of Wano one day… but that can wait one month after they bring the Dawn to the world. After all, this is Momo's duty according to the journal.
Yep, a journal that couldn't give him the full context of what he's meant to do because of missing info.
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And likewise can be said how Yamato has interacted and talked about Luffy, yep.
No, the nature (and quantity) of the relationship between Luffy and Yamato onscreen is very different compared to the relationship between Yamato and Momo onscreen. Luffy and Yamato are very far from being a pair.
But relax man, this doesn't need to hurt you. Yamato can still join, even alone. Acknowledging that Yamato has parallels and a focused bond with Momo is just an analysis of the past, but the future is free.
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Yep, a journal that couldn't give him the full context of what he's meant to do because of missing info.
Exactly. That's more of a reason for Momo to go to Laugh Tale to find out why he's explicitly so important and meant to bring the dawn.
LOL
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Luffy and Yamato are very far from being a pair.
Heh, I have wondered about that.
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Exactly. That's more of a reason for Momo to go to Laugh Tale to find out why he's explicitly so important and meant to bring the dawn.
LOL
Luffy is meant to bring about the dawn. At least according to minks. Momo is supposed to guide the world afterwards. Momo won't be going to Laugh Tale after his country has been devastated by Kaido and Orochi. It needs to be rebuilt and then opened.
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People talked friendly – they're a narrative pair!
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Luffy is meant to bring about the dawn. At least according to minks. Momo is supposed to guide the world afterwards. Momo won't be going to Laugh Tale after his country has been devastated by Kaido and Orochi. It needs to be rebuilt and then opened.
That's not what characters are saying (chapters 996 and 1041).
The phrasing is very specifically "the one who will guide the world to the Dawn", not after.
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People talked friendly – they're a narrative pair!
Actually, going by that, Yamato might have some significant parallels with Sanji in particular, since they were both imprisoned by warmongering dads who tried denying their ambitions and even threatened them with explosive handcuffs.
But then again, nah, that might be too much of a stretch.
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Not surprised some are using this a rationale for Yamato never leaving Wano as if Yamato can be the only one he can depend on, even though the Scabbards, Hyogoro, the Yakuza, Wano citizen supporters are there, including Momo's relationship with Zunesha and the Minks.
I feel like any other SH would've expressed the exact same speech to Momo, Yamato just understands better the suffering of Wano thru those 20 years.
Yeah, there's lot's of people who can support Momo. The one who is, the one who has been for the majority of this battle, is Yamato.
Remember how Jinbe laid down his life to protect the comatose Luffy in Marineford? That's in line with Yamato laying down his own life for Momo this whole time. The one who snapped Luffy out of his despair, the one who gave him the wake up call he needed, was no one else but Jinbe. And now Yamato is giving Momo that wake up call. Maybe someone else could do it. But what matters here, what has always mattered, is the one who is doing it.
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Yeah, there's lot's of people who can support Momo. The one who is, the one who has been for the majority of this battle, is Yamato.
Remember how Jinbe laid down his life to protect the comatose Luffy in Marineford? That's in line with Yamato laying down his own life for Momo this whole time. The one who snapped Luffy out of his despair, the one who gave him the wake up call he needed, was no one else but Jinbe. And now Yamato is giving Momo that wake up call. Maybe someone else could do it. But what matters here, what has always mattered, is the one who is doing it.
Jinbe expressed his desire to go with Luffy over anyone else though, whereas Yamato hasn't expressed her desire to go with Momo over Luffy. There's this talk of where she "could" do that, but indeed, not quite the same as Yamato actually expressing it.
And if you're going to say that in regards to Yamato supporting Momo, then what can be said about others like Luffy supporting Momo in some of the battle's most crucial moments?
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Remember how Jinbe laid down his life to protect the comatose Luffy in Marineford? That's in line with Yamato laying down his own life for Momo this whole time. The one who snapped Luffy out of his despair, the one who gave him the wake up call he needed, was no one else but Jinbe. And now Yamato is giving Momo that wake up call. Maybe someone else could do it. But what matters here, what has always mattered, is the one who is doing it.
That's a good paralel that I had not thought of.
Jinbe was even fighting for someone else (Whitebeard), but ended up bonding with another (Luffy).
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That's a good paralel that I had not thought of.
Actually, what about Yamato risking her life against an Emperor she knew she couldn't win agains just after Luffy lost Round 2? I'm sure that Jinbe backing Luffy up while he was down against an Admiral could be seen as a reasonable parallel as Yamato backing Luffy up while he was down against an Emperor, for what it's worth.
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That's not what characters are saying (chapters 996 and 1041).
The phrasing is very specifically "the one who will guide the world to the Dawn", not after.
Two characters have been associated with the Dawn. Luffy and Momo. By your logic, it only applies to Momo when we know a character like Pedro sacrificed his own life because he believed Luffy was meant to bring it about (plus his whole background with BM and the Nox pirates etc.). It's not just Momo. Just because Yamato constantly mentions Momo with the dawn now doesn't mean we're supposed to forget about Luffy also being tied to it. And Chapter 850 came before chapters 996 and 1041.
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Two characters have been associated with the Dawn. Luffy and Momo. By your logic, it only applies to Momo when we know a character like Pedro sacrificed his own life because he believed Luffy was meant to bring it about (plus his whole background with BM and the Nox pirates etc.). It's not just Momo. Just because Yamato constantly mentions Momo with the dawn now doesn't mean we're supposed to forget about Luffy also being tied to it.
Yeah, at least two, depending on how Luffy having a "D." in his name is relevant with the Dawn, as well as Joy Boy.
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Two characters have been associated with the Dawn. Luffy and Momo. By your logic, it only applies to Momo when we know a character like Pedro sacrificed his own life because he believed Luffy was meant to bring it about (plus his whole background with BM and the Nox pirates etc.). It's not just Momo. Just because Yamato constantly mentions Momo with the dawn now doesn't mean we're supposed to forget about Luffy also being tied to it. And Chapter 850 came before chapters 996 and 1041.
You're correct to say that both Luffy and Momo have been associated with the Dawn, and I'm aware of that. When I quote the words stated in the manga that "[Momo is] the one who will guide the world to the Dawn", I'm not disregarding Luffy's role in that, which is probably even more important.
It's not me who's excluding Luffy from the equation, but you who's excluding Momo. And that's funny, because it's like you're not following your own description of the situation, and deciding that only one of them will do the job. Huh? No, it's both… at least as far as we know. The manga made no discrimination yet by explaining that one will bring the Dawn and the other will only act after the Dawn. That's only your headcannon.
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It's not me who's excluding Luffy from the equation, but you who's excluding Momo. And that's funny, because it's like you're not following your own description of the situation, and deciding that only one of them will do the job. Huh? No, it's both… at least as far as we know. The manga made no discrimination yet by explaining that one will bring the Dawn and the other will only act after the Dawn. That's only your headcannon.
I actually acknowledged the fact that both of them have a role to play unlike you, who somehow believes it's all about Momo. So much so that your headcannon has Momo traveling to Laugh Tale with the SHs, which is…laughable. Again, Pedro died in order to make sure that Luffy and his crew were able to bring about the dawn that him and the other minks have been waiting for. Luffy was the first character mentioned when the whole "dawn" thing was first referenced. Something you seemingly forgot.
There's also like a 99% chance that Luffy is the man that Roger was waiting for since he was too early. So we have chapter 850 stating that Pedro believes that Luffy will be the one to bring about the dawn and Yamato in 996 stating that he/she believes that Momo will be the one to guide the world to the dawn. Guiding doesn't have to mean bringing it about. It can also mean helping to shape, which he's done by allying with Luffy.
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I actually acknowledged the fact that both of them have a role to play unlike you, who somehow believes it's all about Momo. So much so that your headcannon has Momo traveling to Laugh Tale with the SHs, which is…laughable. Again, Pedro died in order to make sure that Luffy and his crew were able to bring about the dawn that him and the other minks have been waiting for. Luffy was the first character mentioned when the whole "dawn" thing was first referenced. Something you seemingly forgot.
There's also like a 99% chance that Luffy is the man that Roger was waiting for since he was too early. So we have chapter 850 stating that Pedro believes that Luffy will be the one to bring about the dawn and Yamato in 996 stating that he/she believes that Momo will be the one to guide the world to the dawn. Guiding doesn't have to mean bringing it about. It can also mean helping to shape, which he's done by allying with Luffy.
No, you're misreading my posts.
I don't believe it's all about Momo. I was not taxative in any of my posts. I'm quoting the manga that he's "the one who will guide the world to the Dawn", regardless of whoever else will also carry the job. Luffy will too.
If it's laughable, just laugh.
Bye.
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Yamato will end up being Momo's wife. :ninja:
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It really all boils down to Yamato seeing how virgin MomOden looks like and seeing the Chad Joyboy.
Its seems very logical whose gonna cause the greater impression on her.
She's already not very impressed by the one who actually considered surrender.
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Btw, Oda set up the Heart Pirates staying behind in the submarine cause they had an eventual purpose to fulfill.
Was there any reason for Pedro staying back in WCI?, the Cover Story seems to be about to answer that question.