No one knew that they were associated with him to begin with.
This is not True. They very publicly offered the Cameo on their twitter in a tweet with him. If you go through Playtonic's twitter feed you can see the fact that they did this. anyone who paid even a little attention to this game probably knew this.
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The ACHA has been officially pulled. No more voting on it
…And so it begins; four long years of pointless stupid bickering between President Trump and the Republican Party.
Time to stock up on popcorn.
No one knew that they were associated with him to begin with.
Yes, because public announcements and prior PR releases means no one at all knew he was in the game.
Except the people that saw those public announcements and prior PR releases.
They advertised that they had him. He became controversial. They had to advertise they were taking him out.
If they didn't, and he was left in, that could come back to bite them when the game actually released.
It's kind of like having the rights to perennial best seller young adult book Ender's Game for making a movie.
Except it turns out the author is a notorious rampant homophone and gay basher.
Even though he was the author of the story the movie studios still had to go "yeah, we didn't know he was like this. We have nothing to do with his opinions, and lots of people worked on the movie. We don't share his opinions, look we're donating money to pro-gay groups….please don't boycott us.".
Nah. Playtonic's A-OK in my book for this move. Already backed YL at a pretty high level because they seemed like people who could run a Kickstarter game campaign right, and this is just more vindication of that. I'm not "pissed" because they were associated with him in the first place; that was before he went off the deep end and revealed himself as an alt-right nutjob. How would they have known, weird one-off uncomfortable "jokes" foreshadowing aside? Rather, I've gained respect for them for proactively demonstrating their values as a team/company when they could've ostensibly remained neutral (silence = tacit condoning <-this is the point Roboblue will object to). A game's fun factor for me isn't necessarily affected by its devs' politics, but knowing that they're on the right side of things, even superficially, even over fear of losing customers, is still comforting.
Related- Jim Sterling's writeup on the fall of Pewdie and Jontron as it relates to freedom of speech and accountability for prominent Youtubers who seem flabbergasted at their own blacklisting:
http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-things
Even though he was the author of the story the movie studios still had to go "yeah, we didn't know he was like this. We have nothing to do with his opinions, and lots of people worked on the movie. We don't share his opinions, look we're donating money to pro-gay groups….please don't boycott us.".
Russia's state news service applies for White House pass
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/03/sputnik-news-white-house-press-pass-russia-236481
The Russian state-owned news website Sputnik has applied for a White House hard pass and is seeking membership in the White House Foreign Press Group in order to become a part of pool rotations.
Sputnik, which Foreign Policy magazine described as the "BuzzFeed of propaganda," would be part of a rotating group of roughly 22 overseas outlets following President Donald Trump in his everyday interactions along with pool reporters from American print, TV, and radio outlets.
Andrew Feinberg, Sputnik’s White House correspondent, has been in talks with the WHFPG head Phlip Crowther, who told POLITICO that if Feinberg and Sputnik complete the boilerplate criteria for being a member of the press group, there "shouldn't be any reason" they wouldn't join the White House press pool.
Among the criteria to become a WHFPG member is a White House-approved hard pass, membership in the White House Correspondents’ Association, and State Department verification that the network is, indeed, based in another country. Other state-sponsored outlets are part of the rotating foreign pool, including Crowther’s France 24 and China’s CCTV.
Sputnik is one of Russia’s government-funded news outlets aimed at international audiences. Launched in 2014, Sputnik has a goal of providing “alternative interpretations that are, undoubtedly, in demand around the world,” its head Dimitry Kiselyov said at the launch.
12 people canceling their preorder. Oh no, the game is going to completely fail now. That's it guys, pack it in. This is going to fail because "SJWs" just like Beauty and the Beast just failed due to the massive boycott against IT for being "SJW" too.
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Because the gamer umbrella includes an unfortunate amount of easily-influenced Pepe-badge-wearing alt-right shitheads? Take a look at the comments on that very article. Bask in the rotten stench of some of those gems.
Also, the article vaguely states "many" refunds. No idea what that number is, and it's a lot easier for the nazis to drum up exaggerated trouble/boycotts in comments sections than to get people to demand refunds.
@CCC:
Related- Jim Sterling's writeup on the fall of Pewdie and Jontron as it relates to freedom of speech and accountability for prominent Youtubers who seem flabbergasted at their own blacklisting:
http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-things
I can understand his condemnation of Jontron, but for him to bring Pewdiepie into it seems hypocritical.
With failing to repeal Obamacare, I can only hope that we just witnessed the death of the modern Republican Party.
….The modern day Republican can always go back to the classics of trying to stamp out abortions, disenfranchising minorities, hurting the poor and the working class, and screwing up the enviroment.
Even though he was the author of the story the movie studios still had to go "yeah, we didn't know he was like this. We have nothing to do with his opinions, and lots of people worked on the movie. We don't share his opinions, look we're donating money to pro-gay groups….please don't boycott us.".
Lol .
Paul Ryan was recently accidentally honest.
Where are you seeing 12?
I counted the screenshots they had there on that site since the site doesn't actually have any actual figures on how many alt-right edgelords are cancelling their preorder. To simply say "A bunch of people are cancelling their preorders" is meaningless without actual figures.
Recently, every time someone announces a "Boycott" of something "Because SJWs" it never really hurts the thing. Star Wars Episode VII needs to be boycotted because oh no, it has a Black Guy and a Woman in it!! Breaks Box Office Records left and right. Beauty and the Beast has a gay character in it! The SJWs strike again! Must boycott! Malaysia won't even show the film!! It's already a smash success and it just came out.
Fire Emblem Fates took out the Waifu petting and modified the dialog so that the part where you magically change a Lesbian straight doesn't come off that way? DAMN SJWS!! GOTTA BOYCOTT!! Game sells out immediately and prompts Nintendo to do a second print run of the Limited Edition, goes on to be a sales juggernaut.
Xenoblade Chronicles X removed the Boob Slider?! You can't dress the 14 year old girl in skimpy outfits?!?! FUCKING SJWS RUIN EVERYTHING!! TIME TO BOYCOTT!!! Game still sells very well considering the system it was on.
So forgive me if I'm not predicting the death of Yooka Laylee because the Alt Right GamerGater Crowd has decided that this is the next big "SJW" thing to boycott.
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Because people idiotically buy into the idea that repercussions for saying grossly reprehensible things constitutes censorship?
I can understand his condemnation of Jontron, but for him to bring Pewdiepie into it seems hypocritical.
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The whole Jimquistion shtick is essentially "generic dictator"
And on your point about people cancelling preorders/not buying the game:
No one knew that they were associated with him to begin with.
You not knowing it doesn't mean "no one" knew this.
All they've accomplished is to associate themselves with him (a negative because it pisses off the people who hate him)
No Robo, this is the opposite of what you're saying it is. Objectively speaking.
in a negative way (a second negative because it pisses off the people who like him).
With even his own Reddit turned on him I don't think this matters much at all.
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So forgive me if I'm not predicting the death of Yooka Laylee because the Alt Right GamerGater Crowd has decided that this is the next big "SJW" thing to boycott.
I'm not predicting that either, but I do think they could have prevented the boycott from happening at all with some careful maneuvering.
you know, I'm getting REALLY tired these days of it being "Controversial" to say "Racism is bad".
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And our point is that the devs probably aren't crying themselves to sleep tonight over 12 refund requests from morons who don't fully understand the concept of "censorship."
If anything this is additional free publicity via thinkpieces on the matter and word-of-mouth, so they'll be chortling their British chortles all the way to the bank.
@CCC:
And our point is that the devs probably aren't crying themselves to sleep tonight over 12 refund requests from morons who don't fully understand the concept of "censorship."
If anything this is additional free publicity via thinkpieces on the matter and word-of-mouth, so they'll be chortling their British chortles all the way to the bank.
Actually, the idea of portable Yooka Laylee had been enticing me to cancel my PS4 Preorder and wait for the Switch one, but the fact that we still don't know the Switch version's release date had me wary on what to do here.
Now that I know there's a few shitlord Gamergaters boycotting the game? I'm just gonna buy both now.
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The GOP's favourite sheriff forced a woman to give birth while she was shackled.
Well…this guy always seemed like a jerk, and now I know that isn't even the half of it. I saw a podcast on this, and for what little it's worth the comment section featured locals in his area that explained that he's locally hated. Hopefully something more starts against him than just this lawsuit, cause this guy is a monster.
Also, I might pre-order Yooka Laylee just to spite Jontron and the alt-right. Sure, I'd be basically doing the something thing those kids canceling their preorders are doing (cause I wouldn't play the game, never was a fan of platformers), but I need every outlet for this I can get.
Yeah, I basically got called a racist for saying that a few days ago. :(
I'm pretty sure that it was about what you said before. Or after.
Too bad Republicans will do nothing to improve on the ACA's failings and shortcomings. They simply do not care enough about the current healthcare law and the fact that it was established by a Democratic president [[I]Insert the mandatory emphasis on Barack Obama also being black here] with basically zero Republican support. Maybe the Republicans should try something out so radical like seeing how the country would react to the ruling political party reaching across the aisle and improving healthcare without regard to who gets the credit. Maybe they'll find out by doing that they'll get the credit for improving things while holding the White House and Congress majority!
I don't care how they frame it but I can imagine Donald Trump.
"The sad, sad Obamacare was failing. Nobody liked it. I made it better, practically redid the whole thing. They should name it Trumpcare, after me! Everybody likes me!"
Hell, like I care. People's livelihoods are at stake while these asshats play political scoring games. Rising premiums, a shrinking pool of insurers, and people straight up not being able to afford health insurance are still real and current problems. If the ACA is not tinkered with or fixed these problems won't magically go away. They won't get better. Hell, they'll probably get worse.
The ACA might not "explode" as Donald Trump so spitefully wants it to do but it can always get worse.
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The GOP's favourite sheriff forced a woman to give birth while she was shackled.
I'm very surprised Donald Trump did not give this man a cabinet position. I was actually half-expecting it in the early days when he was making his most early announcements.
Everything's Eventual…
Looking on from afar at the whole ACA thing is just kinda.. depressing. I know from what I've learned that the ACA is far from perfect, but .. will attitudes ever shift from "why should I pay for someone else's healthcare?" to "I'm proud that our country is taking care of eachother"?
Like it's so .. different to hear the former opinion so often from a large group of Americans. If I barely went to the doctor one year and yet my money still permitted that someone out there got life-saving treatment, that's something I feel proud about.
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Looking on from afar at the whole ACA thing is just kinda.. depressing. I know from what I've learned that the ACA is far from perfect, but .. will attitudes ever shift from "why should I pay for someone else's healthcare?" to "I'm proud that our country is taking care of eachother"?
If people still think they pay for a woman's abortion eventhough Republicans made it so that tax dollars "couldn't" be used to pay for abortions?
No.
Looking on from afar at the whole ACA thing is just kinda.. depressing. I know from what I've learned that the ACA is far from perfect, but .. will attitudes ever shift from "why should I pay for someone else's healthcare?" to "I'm proud that our country is taking care of eachother"?
I think most people are proud of that, but they have real concerns about the ACA's premium hikes and the looming national debt.
The people advocating social Darwinism are just a very loud minority.
If people still think they pay for a woman's abortion eventhough Republicans made it so that tax dollars "couldn't" be used to pay for abortions?
No.
That's .. a real shame -_-
I think most people are proud of that, but they have real concerns about the ACA's premium hikes and the looming national debt.
The people advocating social Darwinism are just a very loud minority.
Is it really a minority? I thought a complete repeal was a major Trump campaign promise.
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Is it really a minority? I thought a complete repeal was a major Trump campaign promise.
A lot of those people don't even know that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are the same thing.
Is it really a minority? I thought a complete repeal was a major Trump campaign promise.
A) A majority of voters voted for the candidate who wanted to keep and improve the ACA
B) Once people realized how much and how many people depended on the ACA and started looking past the label of "Obamacare is communism destroying this country," the push back against the AHCA and the Obamacare repeal was enormous. Most people recognize that it's far from perfect and want something better, but the notable absence of better available alternatives have raised support for it.
Plus, examples abound of people reacting positively to "the Affordable Care Act" and negatively to "Obamacare," which is basically a consequence of the Republican demagoguery around it. Trump's buffoonery has actually better educated many Americans about political issues.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
A) A majority of voters voted for the candidate who wanted to keep and improve the ACA
Isn't it funny how the majority of our country wants something but we don't get it?
It's hilarious.
Looking on from afar at the whole ACA thing is just kinda.. depressing. I know from what I've learned that the ACA is far from perfect, but .. will attitudes ever shift from "why should I pay for someone else's healthcare?" to "I'm proud that our country is taking care of eachother"?
It will never be the latter.
But the overton window has shifted, and the general hope of Obamacare got proven true.
That once people were enjoying the benefits, once Americans got a taste of it, they wouldn't tolerate the removal of it. Even people raging ignorantly against it.
Next step: Finding a way to transition us to Single Payer.
The GOP's favourite sheriff forced a woman to give birth while she was shackled.
It goes without saying that I shouldn't be reading the comment section on articles like this,
but it still gives me chills to see several people basically moaning "She was a criminal, who cares? Her fault for breaking the law."
Like they think prisoners are just a puddle of discarded scum instead of living breathing human beings with rights and emotions.
And that's not even accounting for how many genuinely good, remorseful & innocent people are in there.
Not that such things matter in cases of abuse of course. Abuse should have no place in the world anywhere or anytime.
It just baffles me to see such a black and white outlook on this situation, and in completely the wrong direction.
For starters, prison is just a facility to house certain people away from society as a punishment for breaking the rules of the land. Parental grounding on a bigger scale.
There are also many many crimes out there that can result in jail time, and very few of them require a person to be morally bankrupt or diabolically evil.
There are so many people trapped behind bars that don't reaaally deserve to be in there, it's just that the law says they have to be there.
They're still technically criminals though, so I guess it's completely fine for them to get treated like shit yeah?
I have literally no clue why a person wouldn't feel a shred of empathy for the women going through this.
And even if someone doesn't give two shits about these victims, I'd like to ask them a question. What did the babies do wrong?
The quality of our health care actually went up when we went from single payer to market-based care ala Obamacare, but it doesn't drive down costs at all, which has always been the main argument from right-wing reformers.
If the ACA is not tinkered with or fixed these problems won't magically go away. They won't get better. Hell, they'll probably get worse.
Acutally if it's just left alone as it is, without people afraid it might disappear next week, it'll stabilize itself as more and more people sign up for insurance and spread the pool and prices will then go down.
It could still be better, obviously, but if left alone and not actively harassed and attacked and demonized, it'll pay for itself and get better.
Kinda like the postal service that the GOP is so determined to kill by putting in a restriction that keeps it from making money when otherwise it'd make billions and be entirely self sufficient.
@MDL:
It goes without saying that I shouldn't be reading the comment section on articles like this,
but it still gives me chills to see several people basically moaning "She was a criminal, who cares? Her fault for breaking the law."
Like they think prisoners are just a puddle of discarded scum instead of living breathing human beings with rights and emotions.
And that's not even accounting for how many genuinely good, remorseful & innocent people are in there.
Not that such things matter in cases of abuse of course. Abuse should have no place in the world anywhere or anytime.It just baffles me to see such a black and white outlook on this situation, and in completely the wrong direction.
For starters, prison is just a facility to house certain people away from society as a punishment for breaking the rules of the land. Parental grounding on a bigger scale.
There are also many many crimes out there that can result in jail time, and very few of them require a person to be morally bankrupt or diabolically evil.
There are so many people trapped behind bars that don't reaaally deserve to be in there, it's just that the law says they have to be there.
They're still technically criminals though, so I guess it's completely fine for them to get treated like shit yeah?I have literally no clue why a person wouldn't feel a shred of empathy for the women going through this.
And even if someone doesn't give two shits about these victims, I'd like to ask them a question. What did the babies do wrong?
Agreed, the way our society treats prisoners is horribly backwards. :/
We all know that things like private prisons, prison rape and people being boiled alive by guards are wrong, so what can we do about them?
Yeah, I basically got called a racist for saying that a few days ago. :(
That's not what happened at all. You were called an idiot for claiming that the 90s were some racism and violence free golden era and for suggesting that white supremacist violence was somehow equivalent to driving while intoxicated.
Acutally if it's just left alone as it is, without people afraid it might disappear next week, it'll stabilize itself as more and more people sign up for insurance and spread the pool and prices will then go down.
It could still be better, obviously, but if left alone and not actively harassed and attacked, it'll pay for itself and get better.
Kinda like the postal service that the GOP is so determined to kill by putting in a restriction that keeps it from making money when otherwise it'd make billions and be entirely self sufficient.
The ACA might be able to stabilize itself given time, but how much time would that take? How many more people would need to sign up to make a significant and noticeable dent in the costs?
And what happens in the meantime when insurers pull out, as they have been, because they can't afford to cover the costs? Wouldn't that further delay any chance of people signing up? It might be a Republican talking point but it's true that other insurers many times can't just step in and provide these people with alternative options. In those circumstances people are left with just one provider.
So I'm not really comfortable with the ACA being left just as it is and hoping enough people sign up to eventually make it better. Maybe it could get better but it could also get worse before it gets there.
So in a bit of actual 'fake news', a report went out saying that Ryan left in his car blasting Papa Roach's "Last Resort". Although it has widely been acknowledged and accepted as fake news and pure comedy, EVERYONE LOVES IT AND THE SHIT POSTING HAS BEGUN!
Anyone can tell it's fake as Spicer said there is no PlanB :ninja:.
@Monkey:
Likewise, their belief regarding poverty is that poverty will just fix itself if people were driven enough and not "spoiled" by assisstance programs and so on. You frame that above as being somehow not a fantastical naive belief opposite the apparently romantic altruistic idea. There's plenty of poverty in your country, but maybe you don't get so close to it if you don't think "people can just pull themselves en mass out of it" isn't a heavily romantic fantasy idea.
I was not trying to explain my own view just how I believe republican see themselves(and democrats). Of course I could be wrong.
Ah so the Republican voters are good at not being ideological purists. That's great news for the Republicans, because their entire healthcare agenda might be wrecked today due to a thing called the HFC. And according to you the HFC shouldn't exist. Look it up.
Doesn't everyone hate the new bill including republicans?
I'm not predicting that either, but I do think they could have prevented the boycott from happening at all with some careful maneuvering.
Robo, I think this highlights more than ever what is wrong with your line of thinking. Like I understand that you're not just out there to play devil's advocate and make all sides in a given situation seem equal, but you seem to have an attitude of "nobody should ever do or say anything that could possibly upset people and cause any type of noise, backlash, or controversy." Even if that response is coming from a tiny minority of people who also happen to be awful.
Like I'm sure I've said before, yes it's probably not productive to taunt or insult people and their opinions SOLELY out of spite and anger. But otherwise, your idea is just not how the world works. You don't just try to pat everyone on the head and hope they get along, trying to preserve some fragile and largely false sense of peace. Doing the right thing and fighting for causes will always upset people, and that's okay. You need to understand that. You need to try to see the bigger picture and the proportion of things, and not always point to the small things you notice as if they ultimately matter or invalidate decisions. People's actions can and should have consequences.
The GOP's favourite sheriff forced a woman to give birth while she was shackled.
Holy sh- who the fuck does that?
@MDL:
It goes without saying that I shouldn't be reading the comment section on articles like this,
Thanks for reminding me NOT to read the comments. I should print out posters for myself that read "DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS YOU FOOL! PET YOUR CAT INSTEAD!"
That said, do you know what these prison news remind me of?
Hungary under Rákosi's rule. Mainly the infamous House of Terror (real place, real name). That's where I heard horrors like these were committed and it was freaking communist Hungary at its worst. I got pshysically sick having to go through the different cells they tortured in (and sometimes with) the prisoners.
And the American jail system reminds me of that. That's a red flag the size of a continent.
Robo, I think this highlights more than ever what is wrong with your line of thinking. Like I understand that you're not just out there to play devil's advocate and make all sides in a given situation seem equal, but you seem to have an attitude of "nobody should ever do or say anything that could possibly upset people and cause any type of noise, backlash, or controversy." Even if that response is coming from a tiny minority of people who also happen to be awful.
Like I'm sure I've said before, yes it's probably not productive to taunt or insult people and their opinions SOLELY out of spite and anger. But otherwise, your idea is just not how the world works. You don't just try to pat everyone on the head and hope they get along, trying to preserve some fragile and largely false sense of peace. Doing the right thing and fighting for causes will always upset people, and that's okay. You need to understand that. You need to try to see the bigger picture and the proportion of things, and not always point to the small things you notice as if they ultimately matter or invalidate decisions. People's actions can and should have consequences.
I am admittedly very oversensitive to upsetting people, but I also feel driven to say what I feel politically… it leads to a toxic cycle where I inevitably piss someone off and then feel desperate to convince them not to hate me.
That aside, I'm frustrated by your point because Jontron essentially said the same exact thing; he held back his views to please other people but in the long run he felt that it did more harm than good.
In a world where so many people have such diametrically opposite views of right and wrong, is really wrong to believe a corporation should stay nonpolitical?
That's not what happened at all. You were called an idiot for claiming that the 90s were some racism and violence free golden era and for suggesting that white supremacist violence was somehow equivalent to driving while intoxicated.
I did say that the 90s were better (and they definitely were in my state), but then I immediately admitted my error in forgetting the Rodney King riots (which had slipped into the 80s in my mind). That was a different exchange entirely, though.
! > @benjamminbrown:
Even if it was teenagers, so what? Just because some teenagers are picking up the racism infection from their environment does not mean that these kids are simply a symptom of teenage stupidity. The problem is the environment. Which you'd realize if you'd actually pay attention to the world around you.
Racism is bad, but it's a natural byproduct of our basic instincts (not unlike cancer); even without a racist environment, those with severe anxiety and a feeling of victimhood can naturally make associations that will lead him/her to fear certain groups.
Education and open discourse are the best solutions.
Now that you've not answered my question about the intersection between destructive behavior and teenage idiocy, how about you now tell me what you think about the intersection between violence and racism?
Which of these intersections do you think is more dangerous, and more of a problem for modern American society?
I'd say that racism definitely encourages violence, which is why it's important for the college to take action against those responsible.
The dangerousness of teenage idiocy is really hard to measure, and since experimentation with racist views is something many teens will have to confront, I can't really answer that.
! @benjamminbrown:
! > Right… you imply that racism and violence are uncorrelated aside from the violence that happens in reaction to racism. This coming from the same guy who claimed that white privilege doesn't exist, and the moderator who warns people to be wary of those in power.And yet you wonder why people throw up their arms every time you participate in a discussion in this forum.
Frankly, you disgust me, man. And you make me want to leave this place for good sometimes.
! > @benjamminbrown:Right… you imply that racism and violence are uncorrelated aside from the violence that happens in reaction to racism.
No, I said that racism definitely encourages violence, and I meant it in the literal sense. Racism mandates incivility, the social equivalent of violence.
While I can't make specific claims about how often racists commit violence, a belief system based on fear and anger inevitably leads to increased adrenaline levels, which almost certainly leads to increased violence in many cases.Similarly, if you drink and drive, you're more likely to crash.
This coming from the same guy who claimed that white privilege doesn't exist, and the moderator who warns people to be wary of those in power.
What does that have to do with anything?
And yet you wonder why people throw up their arms every time you participate in a discussion in this forum.
Frankly, you disgust me, man. And you make me want to leave this place for good sometimes.
I'm genuinely sorry you feel that way. Politics can ruin anything, sadly. :/
! @benjamminbrown:
! > Guy who claims to be somewhat intelligent and reasonable, who must also be aware of movements in modern history such as the KKK and Nazism (just to name two of very, very many), also claims that he cannot draw a direct connection between racism and violence.Same guy sees less of a problem in the rising tide of literal Nazism and white nationalism in his own country than in gradual uptick of (rarely violent) civil protests.
Okay. Makes sense. Despicable, but makes sense.
Also, somehow, this same guy sees more "teenage idiocy" in racist propaganda than he sees in rioters. Also takes offense at the word idiot, but seems okay with using it to describe others.
Robo, do you seriously not realize the kind of image you're making of yourself? Do you really not see it?
! @RoboBlue:
! > I did draw a direct connection between racism and violence, explaining the biological reasons behind it.
! @benjamminbrown:
! > I don't know, man. Something makes me think that most people who drink and drive aren't intentionally going out on the roads to commit vehicular homicide. But a guy who professes to be a white nationalist and then carries a semiautomatic weapon into a black church on Sunday and opens fire is whole different situation entirely.To equate being racist and committing violence to being intoxicated and causing an accident is, I think, a really dangerous fallacy to be spreading around.
Look, I'm an asshole. I admit it. You can call me one, and I'll own it.
But if you don't think these sorts of statements are idiotic, then I just don't think there's any getting through to you.
! @RoboBlue:
! > Eh, it's a crappy allegory, I'll admit that.My point was that while being a racist isn't a guarantee that you'll assault or kill someone, there's an obvious connection between racism and violence that most people understand.
My point still stands. You weren't being called racist, you were being called dumb.
While "most people" certainly do understand the "obvious" connection between racism and violence, you seem to struggle with the concept quite a bit. There isn't any need to go to ridiculous lengths to explain the biological reaction to fear and victimhood in those who are racist. You simply need to recognize that many of such people aren't displaying reactive violence so much as they are displaying active violence. Many people with racist beliefs consciously choose to act those beliefs out and hurt others because of them. Who exactly are the real victims, Robo?
