He has a long history of racism so I'm pretty confident that he's a legitimate racist.
If you go back and look at the 2016 Republican Primary debates, he comes across as a much more convincing racist than everyone else.
Full disclosure, I haven't actually paid much attention to trumpy since before he was elected, and even then not very much. So I'm not especially well versed on his beliefs, if he actually does believe in anything at all.
Gonna give ya the D.!
@The:
Full disclosure, I haven't actually paid much attention to trumpy since before he was elected, and even then not very much. So I'm not especially well versed on his beliefs, if he actually does believe in anything at all.
He has a long, long history of it from his business days (against Jews and Blacks most obviously. I mean the man was publicly sued for housing discrimination in the 70s, when it was pretty popular everywhere), he displayed it as the face of birtherism against Obama (which was based on nothing but the idea that a black man couldn't possibly be legitimately the president) and he ran on it, against Mexicans.
edit: Let's not forget the first big failure of his presidency: Him not being able to ban muslims from entering the country.
Questions out of curiosity:
-has a Vice President, just the Vice President without the President, ever been removed from office?
-has the incumbent ever had competitors from their party during elections? I don't think Obama 2012 had any challengers or Trump 2020
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@Monkey:
Bernie: The only progressive politician in America.
nah, Only the one actively threatening status quo.
@joekido:
I'am tired of casting my votes basing on emotions, they always ends up wrong and I'm not going to cast my vote on lesser candidates. At this point, Trump is the sigh only "credible" man to stay president until 2024 and hopefully by then the Republicans and Democrats finally realize they need to change and select better candidates that can do the job.
You know, if the Republicans really cared about that, they would have him impeached.
@Medical:
Questions out of curiosity:
-has a Vice President, just the Vice President without the President, ever been removed from office?
-has the incumbent ever had competitors from their party during elections? I don't think Obama 2012 had any challengers or Trump 2020
For the first question, what comes to mind is Nixon's first VP, Spiro Agnew, who resigned due to scandal.
For the second, it used to happen pretty often, and Trump has a guy now, but most of the states aren't running primaries and he's not taken seriously. His name is Bill Weld. It used to happen a lot more. Check out some of the FDR's elections.
Bernie did float primarying Obama for 2012 but Harry Reid talked him out of it.
nah, Only the one actively threatening status quo.
Ah yes the very status-quo threatening "very old white guy who can't talk to black people and prides himself on an agenda that he knows isn't getting past Joe Manchin let alone the SCOTUS".
@Cyan:
Ah yes the very status-quo threatening "very old white guy who can't talk to black people and prides himself on an agenda that he knows isn't getting past Joe Manchin let alone the SCOTUS".
That's what I don't get about Democratic voters (and party officials) who are terrified of Bernie upending the system.
Everyone who really pays attention knows that the only way Bernie will get half of what he's promised is by primarying most of the Democrats in Congress. They may be things he wants and we need, but they should really be treated the same way any outlandish promise by a politician is.
I support Bernie because he's proven himself to be intelligent and morally incorruptable, not because he'll be our savior.
Also it would be really fitting for our first Jewish president to follow the first Nazi sympathizer president.
Em.. in case you didnt follow the actual point.
The only one openly yelling out loud against oil companies, unpayable college loans and doesn't believe you should go bankrupt over some flu.
Status quo oligarchs wouldn't ever let him win. He is a threat for them.
Everyone who really pays attention knows that the only way Bernie will get half of what he's promised is by primarying most of the Democrats in Congress.
Which at best would fail and at worse potentially lead to some of those seats going to Republicans.
I support Bernie because he's proven himself to be intelligent and morally incorruptable, not because he'll be our savior.
Morally incorruptible my ass, his positions on gun control are backwards for a Democrat running nationally in 2020, put his support behind a scheme to dump nuclear waste from a Vermont nuclear plant on a poor area of Texas, has said some incredibly fucked up things about immigration, gladly sings off on a trillion dollar boondoggle for the Pentagon, and of course all the weird sexual things he wrote in the 70s.
Em.. in case you didnt follow the actual point.
The only one openly yelling out loud against oil companies, unpayable college loans and doesn't believe you should go bankrupt over some flu.
Status quo oligarchs wouldn't ever let him win. He is a threat for them.
Yelling about the status quo will not actually change the status quo in any appreciable fashion, especially when, again, the best case scenario is Joe Manchin and John Roberts being the doors that all legislation needs to pass through.
Ted Kennedy infamously primaried Carter in 1980. After Kennedy lost, he refused to support Carter and instead quietly helped Reagan get elected, believing he’d be very beatable in 1984.
Pat Buchanan primaried Bush Sr. in 1992, which was the first sign that the GOP base had become deranged.
@Cyan:
Morally incorruptible my ass, his positions on gun control are backwards for a Democrat running nationally in 2020, put his support behind a scheme to dump nuclear waste from a Vermont nuclear plant on a poor area of Texas, has said some incredibly fucked up things about immigration, gladly sings off on a trillion dollar boondoggle for the Pentagon, and of course all the weird sexual things he wrote in the 70s.
…Ok, I had no idea that he did any of that.
Having consumed both progressive and mainstream media stories on Bernie over the last year I had gotten the impression that all criticisms of him were lies, because really... that's most of what CNN and MSNBC did.
It reminds me of how angry I was at Fox for putting out made up garbage like birtherism or Benghazi and comparisons of the "weak" Obama to the "strong" Vladimir Putin instead of reporting on Obama's massive drone war and his decision to order the killing of an American citizen without a trial.
Edit: I know I had a responsibility to read the news more often instead of watching it, but after doing that for the first two years of the Trump presidency I just couldn't take the flood of insanity and took time off to deal with real life problems. Then I realized how much less stressed out I was and got a bit lazy.
Em.. in case you didnt follow the actual point.
The only one openly yelling out loud against oil companies, unpayable college loans and doesn't believe you should go bankrupt over some flu.
Status quo oligarchs wouldn't ever let him win. He is a threat for them.
He is not the only one doing those things.
It just seems that way from outside apparently!
@Cyan:
Morally incorruptible my ass, his positions on gun control are backwards for a Democrat running nationally in 2020
Here's a source for that as well.
Interesting how Bernie's supporters are fine with him evolving on a subject where he held totally opposite opinions only only a couple of years ago while simultaneously talking up things that Biden said decades ago and that Joe has himself changed on since.
You know, if the Republicans really cared about that, they would have him impeached.
I agree with that. We really need to fix our government
Currently writing a book
@joekido:
I agree with that. We really need to fix our government
Voting for Trump is voting for breaking it.
@Monkey:
Voting for Trump is voting for breaking it.
I believe we should break it and start fixing it again to make it good as new. My ideas may be flawed however sometimes things like this needs to happen.
Currently writing a book
@joekido:
I believe we should break it and start fixing it again to make it good as new. My ideas may be flawed however sometimes things like this needs to happen.
Like when?
I mean, do you just up and total your car so you can fix and make it "good as new"?
Or are you arguing that we need to totally dismantle and rebuild our government?
Turns out joekido is an accelerationist, go figure.
@Cyan:
Turns out joekido is an accelerationist, go figure.
I think I'll take that.
Does anyone else just suddenly not care about any of this? I feel like all the limited energy I had for anything political was just sapped on Tuesday.
Gonna give ya the D.!
Cause you dont believe Biden can wipe Trump's ass.
He's going to, but first he has to kiss a lot of very young girls
Gonna give ya the D.!
@The:
It's not that. I'll still vote for biden in November, I'm just not excited about any of this anymore.
As long as you're voting against Trump, all is peachy.
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@The:
It's not that. I'll still vote for biden in November, I'm just not excited about any of this anymore.
I mean, the election itself is still eight months away. This past Tuesday pretty much decided Biden as the Democratic nominee, so there's not much else to do other than what and see what develops between now and November (and watch the debates and stuff when we get close to the election).
As long as you're voting against Trump, all is peachy.
I would never. I despise the man on a personal level.
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I mean, the election itself is still eight months away. This past Tuesday pretty much decided Biden as the Democratic nominee, so there's not much else to do other than what and see what develops between now and November (and watch the debates and stuff when we get close to the election).
What develops between now and then is dementia, lol.
@The:
Does anyone else just suddenly not care about any of this? I feel like all the limited energy I had for anything political was just sapped on Tuesday.
Yeah, I know exactly how you feel.
I'll still vote for Bernie in the primary but the whole "political revolution" balloon deflated pretty fast.
@The:
Does anyone else just suddenly not care about any of this? I feel like all the limited energy I had for anything political was just sapped on Tuesday.
Your preferred candidate geing annihilated by someone whose strategy is literally to do absolutely fucking nothing can be pretty disheartening
Best case scenario is Warren or some other progressive becomes VP and then when Biden has declined mentally too much that person can kind of be a left Dick Cheney. Not likely though.
Here's a source for that as well.
Interesting how Bernie's supporters are fine with him evolving on a subject where he held totally opposite opinions only only a couple of years ago while simultaneously talking up things that Biden said decades ago and that Joe has himself changed on since.
Good lord do you not know the half of it.
Biden belongs in a old folks not getting ready for a election campaign where Trump gonna mauled him.
Yes, because we all know what a virile specimen of perfect physical and mental health Donald Trump is.
Complicating things since 2009.
Gonna give ya the D.!
Yes, because we all know what a virile specimen of perfect physical and mental health Donald Trump is.
More so than Biden it's painful watching him "speak". Trump's gonna bully him I already feel sorry for the guy.
Trump was going to bully whoever the nominee ended up to be, what matter is the burns, and Biden has plenty of mateial to roast him
@The:
The fact that Bernie had a heart attack while trumpy hasn't still boggles my mind.
Trump has had at least two major medical incidents while in office that were both covered up. Badly covered, but covered all the same
@The:
It's not that. I'll still vote for biden in November, I'm just not excited about any of this anymore.
Get involved and interested on down ticket races.
Your state is a former blue state that has been under brutal siege in recent times. Fight for that shit. It was one of the reason's Trump won in 2016.
@Monkey:
Get involved and interested on down ticket races.
Your state is a former blue state that has been under brutal siege in recent times. Fight for that shit. It was one of the reason's Trump won in 2016.
It might sound stupid to you, but I have a severe anxiety disorder that makes it difficult to even leave the house. I'm going to have to mentally prepare myself quite a bit just to vote in November, and that was when I was actually excited about doing it. I can't just…do things that involve interpersonal contact, I'm afraid.
More so than Biden it's painful watching him "speak". Trump's gonna bully him I already feel sorry for the guy.
The people who are convinced that Joe has dementia (he doesn't and if you know what dementia actually looks like it's really fucked up that people are accusing him of it) are also convinced that Trump is a great witty master of words, jesus goddamn christ.
@The:
The fact that Bernie had a heart attack while trumpy hasn't still boggles my mind.
There was that time he was mysteriously rushed to the hospital back in November.
If anything Biden will look less doddering and old by being next to Trump on stage.
@Cyan:
The people who are convinced that Joe has dementia (he doesn't and if you know what dementia actually looks like it's really fucked up that people are accusing him of it) are also convinced that Trump is a great witty master of words, jesus goddamn christ.
I'm not a doctor, but three people in my family have had dementia and I can say that every case presents a little differently and largely depends on the individual's personality.
However… I'm not really sure what's wrong with Joe Biden.
There's definitely something abnormal happening to his mind; if you compare clips of him speaking from a few years ago to now you'll see that he didn't selfdestruct in the middle of a sentence back then.
His temper's also much worse, or he's at least far less capable of restraining himself as we saw in his exchange with Corey Booker.
His campaign staff are clearly aware of the problem because they've sought to minimize his public statements and overall on-camera speaking time ever since.
It could be argued that some of his weirder stories (like the one about little kids feeling up his legs and how much he likes it when they sit on him) are also evidence of that lack of restraint.
That speech also shows that he sometimes has a tendency to forget to complete sentences and repeatedly change subject mid-sentence, which is not typical of dementia in my experience.
That's not just a stutter.
I don't see how we can confidently expect him to lead the country in any meaningful way or even function outside of a retirement home, which leads me to assume that his vice president will be taking the reigns the vast majority of the time.
@Monkey:
If anything Biden will look less doddering and old by being next to Trump on stage.
It probably depends on how long Biden has to speak for.
On a good day he can get out several minutes of valid political commentary and sound like a real leader before things start to deteriorate. Give him a good number of breaks and he can last maybe an hour, as he did during one of the recent debates.
I have no idea if there's any way to predict or influence the factors that decide if he's having a good or bad mental health day, though.
Yeah Robo, but what would you vote for?
Someone who randomly forgets his sentences
Someone who always remembers his mild racist sentences
His temper's also much worse, or he's at least far less capable of restraining himself as we saw in his exchange with Corey Booker.
He's been hounded a lot over the significance of his son, Hunter Biden, being allowed to be on the board of directors of Burisma in Ukraine. An issue that may only flare up should he get the democratic nomination to campaign against Trump in the general. Biden gets extremely apprehensive whenever anyone goes after his family.
Yeah Robo, but what would you vote for?
Someone who randomly forgets his sentences
Someone who always remembers his mild racist sentences
Is that even a legitimate question? You don't vote for the racist period. I'd rather have "grandpa forgets his name" than "let's build a wall around our country to keep out all the scawwy brown people" every day of the week.
Gonna give ya the D.!
@The:
Is that even a legitimate question? You don't vote for the racist period. I'd rather have "grandpa forgets his name" than "let's build a wall around our country to keep out all the scawwy brown people" every day of the week.
Is not only a regular question.
Its THE question.
FYI guys, some Trump campaign operative made a fake Biden website:
https://www.newsweek.com/fake-biden-campaign-website-being-run-secretly-trump-campaign-operative-report-1446693?fbclid=IwAR1vwEIcsuYfOI6Wmez3LrRZIdveOv0MZoYpRMbig28sE0zHeujZXOKsSC4
It's had more visitors than Biden's real website. :getlost:
