I feel I should catch the reference but it eluded me as well. Was it some argument from the nakama threads?
The pre-timeskip nakama threads were wild. Come to think of it, it was the last time we had real candidates, as the last real crewmate to join was Jinbe,
I'm amazed that the nakama threads are still so active to this day even though, as you just pointed out, the last new crewmember was introduced pre-timeskip. Post-Timeskip just hasn't really been about gaining new crewmembers...it's a stark contrast to pre-TS, where aside from Skypiea, a new member was added to the crew practically every arc. Part of me thinks Oda kept Jinbe from finally joining the crew for such a long time was to keep these debates open, because as long as we knew Jinbe was definitely going to join at some later point, the possibility that someone else might as well in the meantime seemed a lot more believable.
Lol, this is Arlong Park Forums. There will be next crewmate threads even after the series has ended. We had people talking about whether Franky was really the best choice in Water Seven long after we've been into Thriller Bark.
@Deicide
The reference was a quote made by exactly THE Perona supporter after her first appearance. It became somewhat of a meme because the dude went from that statement to the Perona supporter we are remember to this day. XD
I knew I should've get the reference. I was very active back then, but my memory isn't that good.
@Riddler said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Part of me thinks Oda kept Jinbe from finally joining the crew for such a long time was to keep these debates open
I see the opposite way. To me, Jinbe was the holding the line, as long as he didn't join, no one else would. Now that he has, we can hope for one last person to join.
Seeing what Fuhranky ended up as i wonder if it isn't too late to go back and switch to Paulie
@Riddler said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Part of me thinks Oda kept Jinbe from finally joining the crew for such a long time was to keep these debates open, because as long as we knew Jinbe was definitely going to join at some later point, the possibility that someone else might as well in the meantime seemed a lot more believable.
Personally, I think that it took so long because Oda never meant for Jinbe to join. Don't get me wrong, I was a defender of the next crewmate being Fishman helmsman ever since we departed Thriller Bark (you wouldn't believe the shit I've got for that). But I never thought that would be Jinbei, as I thought that Arlong was working for him (of course I cannot prove that). I always thought Jinbei was supposed to be an enemy and the Fishman helmsman would be somebody completely different, and that what we ended up with in the end is a change of plans. Which is what made Jinbe joining such a convoluted mess.
I'm aware that this is all just me theory and nothing that can be backed up with facts. But this entire fact that we ended up with an actual crewmate that wasn't part of the crew for about a decade just gives off the 'change of plans' vibe to me.
@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Seeing what Fuhranky ended up as i wonder if it isn't too late to go back and switch to Paulie
Yeah, even after all these years I just cannot warm up to Franky's post-timeskip design. Popeye Ventura was just too good. At least Brook got rid of that stupid looking crown.
There is an early design picture of the crew that includes a Jim Boy like character as a helmsmen, which was a big enough spoiler for the character to be erased when the image first showed up in Data Book Green. Oda clearly intended the character to join but things got shifted around when he realized that the series wasn't going to be five years (and he added things like the Warlords to help with the extension).
@Bugs said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
There is an early design picture of the crew that includes a Jim Boy like character as a helmsmen, which was a big enough spoiler for the character to be erased when the image first showed up in Data Book Green. Oda clearly intended the character to join but things got shifted around when he realized that the series wasn't going to be five years (and he added things like the Warlords to help with the extension).
Unfortunally I cannot see the picture. And as I said it just felt like this to me. I'm aware that the reality is something else entirely.
Oh, I know that one. Well that one doesn't state that it's Jinbe the Warlord. Just what the fishman helmsman is supposed to look like. So that weird idea still works if we consider that the Warlord Yosaku talked about, was originally supposed to be this guy.^^
But more important than that, fix Franky Oda! We already have Franky Shogun to go all crazy. Bring back Popeye Ventura!
If I’m not mistaken, the idea of the fishman crewmate came before Jinbe, and at some point the two characters merged. The crewmate had another name originally.
But I’m not sure if the merge happened before or after Oda started the series.
I can't look at that picture without weeping, thinking of what could have been with chopper and what we ended up with.
TIme to spend another 5 years arguing whether Carrot will join the "offboard crew" or not.
(Cuz I think she doesn't)
An offboard crewmember is just a friend, don't go sugarcoating Odas lack of follow through
@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
An offboard crewmember is just a friend, don't go sugarcoating Odas lack of follow through
As far as I’m concerned I’ll only consider someone an unofficial member if Oda and/or Greg say so
So Vivi and Yamato for right now
Anyone else Greg?
Hey Greg this isn’t directly relevant to one piece but rather shonen jump, is there a catalog of dates for releases of shonen jump that is publicly available say if someone wanted to see if jump published on idk a certain week in 1991, to see what weeks SJ was releasing
@Shiebs Uhh, how can you forget or ignore that Kin'emon and Momo were given the same standing as Yamato? You shouldn't need someone to tell you. Just give it an honest read.
Well I agree Kinemon and Momo most likely are too, because of what Luffy said and possibly Tama in the epilogue years later
But If you start giving out the status of unofficial crew members to everyone who people thought had a chance on the crew it will get hard to differentiate who really is, some people will say Pauly or Gaimon, Kyros or Rebecca etc
I’ll just stick with what Oda and Greg say
Wouldn't put Paulie or Gaimon in the same category. Whether there was a vocal sentiment from the character or Luffy wanting them, that differs from fans that are building a case or preferring that character joining.
I don't remember Luffy wanting Rebecca, Kyros, or Paulie. Same as anyone of them being vocal about going on a journey or something up that alley. They were mostly about their group and/or home.
Gaimon got an actual invite. That puts him up there with Momo, Yamato, and Kin.
See this is why, I definitely do not consider Gaimon on the same level as Vivi, Momo, Yamato and Kinemon
He existed for like three chapters early on in the series
I don’t see the significance of this character that everyone else does, this is exactly why I’m saying to leave it to Oda and Greg, otherwise this happens
I agree with your assessment on all the other characters though
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A ton of manga start off with those smaller arcs. I was told Oda put out an official arc map, but never went into looking for it. Might try the wikia or r/.
Off topic, but I hope the live action touches Chouchou. That part of Orange Town felt like a mini arc in itself. I haven't seen a dog casting announcement, so it's most likely not happening.
@Ivotas I do get what you're saying. So...ugh...Kinnemon and Momo can certainly be a part of the crew if they ever want to. I mean, all they gotta do is ask. But Yamato and Vivi are very much a level beyond them.
Yamato and Vivi want to explore with them and have fun. Momo and Kinnemon have fun with them. It's a pretty big difference. Not one that matters much irl mind you, but in the structure of the story as it exists, it's a big deal.
@Greg
I get where you are coming from. But in this case I would say that Momo, by being a child should also have the desire to explore and have fun. True he hasn't expressed it this much but the goodbye scene with Luffy should be indicative that this is still a child that deep down also just wants to do things children do, of which exploring the world and have fun should be natural things.
The thing why he cannot do that is pretty much the same thing that kept Vivi from boarding Merry. The responsibility of being a being a leader. In Momo's case it's even more of a burden because unlike Vivi who's still just the princess while Cobra is the acting king Momo has to take over for his deceased father. And then there's also the age difference. Considering those things I don't see him to be that much different from Vivi.
Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.
@wolfwood said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
An offboard crewmember is just a friend, don't go sugarcoating Odas lack of follow through
Pretty much this.
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.
For Carrot, it sorta depends on how comfortable she is leaving Zou behind now that Inu and Neko won't be around anymore to protect it.
The same way the story is not framing Kaidou as completely in the wrong for Yamato deciding to stay behind, the same could happen regarding Perospero.
One thing I'm sure is that Wano wasn't kind to her. She definitely needs to mature more, because she picked a fight she couldn't win and had to be bailed out.
@King-Cannon said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.
For Carrot, it sorta depends on how comfortable she is leaving Zou behind now that Inu and Neko won't be around anymore to protect it.
That's the thing though, if she in fact stays behind then she is pretty much like Vivi and Yamato. Ok, there is the argument to be made that Vivi and Yamato stayed behind of their own will while Carrot is pretty much burdened with a new responsibility that she never has shown any interest in. But even then in the end it would still be her choice to actually accept this burden
Basically, I'm just trying to figure out how this entire "offboard crew" thing is actually thought through. Because if she stays behind and she's not considered to be part of said group, then I'd really have problems to take that concept serious. Because she fits the discription we've been giving so far perfectly.
One thing I'm sure is that Wano wasn't kind to her. She definitely needs to mature more, because she picked a fight she couldn't win and had to be bailed out.
That entire thing was bullshit deluxe writing if you ask me. Perospero himself said that Carrot and Wanda would have gotten him if the full moon wasn't blocked. And then the supposedly stronger fighter Neko also goes down because the moonlight got blocked off. The only difference in the two fights is that Neko got a second chance at using Sulong thanks to Ambition sky split shenanigans while the girls didn't.
Now I'm not saying that this is a sign that Carrot wasn't being way in over her head. Because in the end it would still have required her to fight 2 vs. 1 to defeat Perospero. What I'm saying is that it leaves a sour taste in my mouth is that Neko didn't win because he is the far better fighter than Carrot and Wanda, but because he lucked out on the Sulong timing. If that's all that made the difference then Oda might just aswell have given the win to the girls.
Rather than having Neko and Inu strike their respective opponents down at the same time Oda might just aswell have an Inu/Neko tag team strike down Jack the same moment a Carrot/Wanda tag team strikes down Perospero.
That's sorta what I mean about Wano not being kind to Carrot. In the end, she more or less became a Rebecca.
It was rather insulting actually. I legit expected her to at least contribute a little like how Usopp did against Ulti before Nami finished her off.
@Greg I have a question that's been bugging me, and there's no one better than you to help me with it.
I have always been very curious about the numbering order of the Vivrecard Databook characters, in particular as it pertains to the Strawhat Nakama. It seems to me that Shueisha designing the cards in a numerical order puts themselves in a weird position where they cannot afford to mess up. Imagine if Oda suddenly decided on having multiple new Nakama join...how could Shueisha fit that in amongst cards they've already printed and sold?
My guess has always been that Shueisha, therefore, logically must ask Oda about things like that in advance as a way of protecting their investment. I would imagine they already know about all and any final Nakama well before printing these cards.
So, that begs the question...why would Shueisha not leave spots open for additional Nakama???
Does this mean:
-there are no new Strawhat Nakama who will officially join?
-the Vivrecard Databook will be discontinued?
-Shueisha will simply re-number and re-print corresponding cards?
-#11 and #12 are placeholder cards, capable of being discarded and subbed out in the future?
Just really interested in hearing your take on what's going on in the mind of the people at Shueisha.
(For a few years now, because of this numbering order, I have believed that the only real option for a final Nakama is Vivi, who could just temporarily re-join at the end. It's the best option in regards to the order of the cards, as well as the limited amount of time before the manga ends).
@King-Cannon said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
That's sorta what I mean about Wano not being kind to Carrot. In the end, she more or less became a Rebecca.
It was rather insulting actually. I legit expected her to at least contribute a little like how Usopp did against Ulti before Nami finished her off.
Wano wasn't kind to many characters. Nami and Usopp are off far worse IMO. While they technically landed the finishing blow, somebody else (and an Emperor at that) had to do the heavy lifting for them. Considering that they have a far more prominent role than Carrot I find that much more a slap to the face. Doesn't change though that you are right. It really was insulting.
Thinking about it now that you mention it. Having had Carrot there in the fight making it a 3 vs 1 wouldn't have been a bad choice either. I mean we're led to believe that Carrot and Wanda as Sulongs had Perospero at the brink of defeat so having Sulong Carrot team up with Nami and Usopp to take down Ulti would have been way better than Big Mom weakening her. Or better yet, make it Carrot and Nami vs. Ulti and have Usopp friggin' defeat Page One. Yeah I know, weakest member of the crew Yadda-Yadda-Yadda. Doesn't have to be physically strong to defeat an opponent stronger than him with the skillset that he has
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.
heh
Nah but part of me still wonders if Oda is gonna have her be hidden somewhere or catch up to join. This is not because I have a desire for her to join. I just think there was a logical argument for her to join based on Oda's own fancies and the proximity to the end.
Oh boy looks like Carrot is joining
@Shin10-Bukuro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Greg I have a question that's been bugging me, and there's no one better than you to help me with it.
I have always been very curious about the numbering order of the Vivrecard Databook characters, in particular as it pertains to the Strawhat Nakama. It seems to me that Shueisha designing the cards in a numerical order puts themselves in a weird position where they cannot afford to mess up. Imagine if Oda suddenly decided on having multiple new Nakama join...how could Shueisha fit that in amongst cards they've already printed and sold?
My guess has always been that Shueisha, therefore, logically must ask Oda about things like that in advance as a way of protecting their investment. I would imagine they already know about all and any final Nakama well before printing these cards.
So, that begs the question...why would Shueisha not leave spots open for additional Nakama???
Does this mean:
-there are no new Strawhat Nakama who will officially join?
-the Vivrecard Databook will be discontinued?
-Shueisha will simply re-number and re-print corresponding cards?
-#11 and #12 are placeholder cards, capable of being discarded and subbed out in the future?Just really interested in hearing your take on what's going on in the mind of the people at Shueisha.
(For a few years now, because of this numbering order, I have believed that the only real option for a final Nakama is Vivi, who could just temporarily re-join at the end. It's the best option in regards to the order of the cards, as well as the limited amount of time before the manga ends).
This deserves a longer answer but for now, they can make up any kind of BS rule they want to to get around the numbering. As fans we tend to think there are in-stone rules (and yeah there are some, but not usually to this end) and that stuff like Vivre Cards are infallible but in the end, they can be handled the same way as 'super floaty wood'.
Given what happened at Wano though? Iunno, I get the feeling Oda really just wants to run with THIS onboard crew for the series.
The whole concept of crew though....I mean damn.
Luffy has 'tomodachi'. He's got 'nakama-in-waiting'. And of course 'nakama'.
Given both Vivre and Oda's refusal to add Yamato (or anyone) here, I wonder if any offboard members will be relegated to 'fighting together' in the final arc alongside 'tomodachi' and become 'onboard' post-series.
Greg what was your reaction to Wang Zhi being mentioned this chapter, and the apparent struggle between him and Black Beard in the Rocky Port incident
Do you think we’ll see him or silver axe anytime soon?
@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.
heh
Nah but part of me still wonders if Oda is gonna have her be hidden somewhere or catch up to join. This is not because I have a desire for her to join. I just think there was a logical argument for her to join based on Oda's own fancies and the proximity to the end.
Fair enough. Not gonna dig deeper into that last statement because I would be going too far into the my personal understand of Oda's thought process route rather than making a fair assessment judging hard objective facts.
I'm still not buying the entire onboard/offboard crew thing. I'm not saying that you are not telling the truth. What I'm rather having a tough time with is the value of such a concept. Especially for the Japanese audience.
I'm really gonna try to keep it brief with this without mentioning specific experiences. But ever since I coming to Japan I started seeing One Piece in a different light. To make it short, One Piece here is pretty much something like Doraemon. It has it's core audience BUT it also is so omnipresent as a long running series that many people know of or have heard about it. The latter group is important here.
There's so many ads and shows aimed at a more general audience than the hardcore One Piece fans. And those always focus on the Strawhat crew which are the guys you refer to as onboard crew. The point I'm trying to make here is, that from personal experience I can tell that people who don't follow One Piece can name most of the crew. They do struggle at Jinbei though because his appearance in such group shots is new. In other words, only people who follow One Piece can actually make sense of Jinbei at first sight.
So having an offboard crew would surely have a lot less mass appeal because those characters don't really ring a bell for people who are not following the manga/anime. If you'd for example see Yamato with the crew, somebody would say "oh, I guess this character is part of the crew now". But having her or Vivi be offboard crew members just means nothing.
I'm fully aware that of course we shouldn't cast the actual followers aside when speaking about the series. But as you yourself are even more familiar than myself, One Piece is just so omnipresent here, that there is a crapton of things created just for the sake of appealing to a broader audience. And the Strawhat crew is at the center of this. So I really don't see what the appeal of an offboard crew is to the production team.
Hello Greg has oda seen the recent memes about a certain scene involving whitebeard ?
let's fuck*ng hope not
Oh dear, do I even want to know what this is about?
@Greg said in [Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !]
Luffy has 'tomodachi'. He's got 'nakama-in-waiting'. And of course 'nakama'.
Given both Vivre and Oda's refusal to add Yamato (or anyone) here, I wonder if any offboard members will be relegated to 'fighting together' in the final arc alongside 'tomodachi' and become 'onboard' post-series.
Greg, I've got a question about that. I've read somewhere that Oda has never had Luffy switch what term he uses for any character (this was a long while ago like during Dressrosa). He's either always called them a 'tomodachi' (friend) or a 'nakama' (comrade/crewmate). Is this true? Has no 'tomodachi' ever been 'upgraded' to 'nakama'?
@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
Also are you sneakily confirming that Carrot is joining by not including her amongst the offboard crew? Because it doesn't get more "want to explore with them and have fun" than stowing away on the Sunny to go on an adventure with the crew.
heh
Nah but part of me still wonders if Oda is gonna have her be hidden somewhere or catch up to join. This is not because I have a desire for her to join. I just think there was a logical argument for her to join based on Oda's own fancies and the proximity to the end.
Or she could go try to rule over Zou for now, hate the experience, then see Zou die in the final war and join the crew post-series.
I never felt like she was meant to be a nakama on the voyage to the One Piece but having her as part of a larger crew of the Pirate King feels natural.
I think for the off-board crew idea it really does depend on intention. Kyros, Paulie and Kinemon - none of them have any desire to actually go and travel with the Straw Hars right now and are content with living on their islands.
An argument could be made for Momo but the story sems to imply that his first priority is to stay on Wano and be Shogun rather than go out to sea with Luffy. That's why he asks Luffy and co to stay on Wano rather than asking to go with them. This is different enough from Vivi who would love to continue travelling with the Straw Hats but knew that she had to stay behind and help look after her kingdom. She couldn't abandon the kingdom and so had to leave the crew. So she fits the off-board crew definition a it more (and I think other factors that only Vivi and Carue have, like actually being treated as crew members during the Baroque Works saga by both Oda, the anime and merch, work in their favour).
Yamato and Tama defo have off-crew status though. Both want to travel with Luffy, Luffy has accepted them both, ut both have some kind of issue preventing them from getting on the ship at this point in time (protecting Wano and training). They'll almost certainly join post-series but for now, they are almost certainly 'off-board' crew members.
@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
This deserves a longer answer but for now, they can make up any kind of BS rule they want to to get around the numbering. As fans we tend to think there are in-stone rules (and yeah there are some, but not usually to this end) and that stuff like Vivre Cards are infallible but in the end, they can be handled the same way as 'super floaty wood'.
Given what happened at Wano though? Iunno, I get the feeling Oda really just wants to run with THIS onboard crew for the series.
The whole concept of crew though....I mean damn.
Luffy has 'tomodachi'. He's got 'nakama-in-waiting'. And of course 'nakama'.
Given both Vivre and Oda's refusal to add Yamato (or anyone) here, I wonder if any offboard members will be relegated to 'fighting together' in the final arc alongside 'tomodachi' and become 'onboard' post-series.
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@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
'm still not buying the entire onboard/offboard crew thing.
I think Greg making that distinction is just him being agreeable. The Strawhats have very few Nakama, tons of tomodachi, so that level inbetween (offboard crew) is made just to anoint various characters who are beyond the standard friends we get every arc.
Another way to put it would be to call them "Tomodachi Level 2" or something.
Greg are there any devil fruits you think are not safe from the Black Beard Pirates
Devil Fruits we as readers have seen that there sure to go after?
Can you tell us a few if there are?
@Shin10-Bukuro said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
'm still not buying the entire onboard/offboard crew thing.
I think Greg making that distinction is just him being agreeable. The Strawhats have very few Nakama, tons of tomodachi, so that level inbetween (offboard crew) is made just to anoint various characters who are beyond the standard friends we get every arc.
Another way to put it would be to call them "Tomodachi Level 2" or something.
Oh, I wasn't critisizing Greg by that statement. I pretty much share your sentiment. I was mainly trying to say that if the production team creates abides by such terms, especially when creating merch, then I'm just having a problem with the necessity for an offboard crew.
As I said in my previous post, outside of the OP fandom, here in Japan the casual audience, that get's commercials, light and fountain shows, whatnot thrown at them, only can make sense of the main crew. Guys like Vivi and Yamato would only have an effect on people who follow(ed) the story at least a little.
To me concerning Yamato, it felt like Oda at the last moment got cold feet and changed his mind about Yamato joining the crew? Which is fine btw.
I've studied a lot of authors that do big time series, and there are times when they are planning on a character doing something, and when they get to that moment, they realize that the character wouldn't do the thing the way it was initially planned.
I really never had a preference with Yamato, as long as Jinbei was in the crew, I don't care who or who doesn't join.
I'm really interested in the story moving forward, the first time since Punk Hazard, that there isn't really a "plan" for the next adventure. We still need to find the location of the final Road Poneglyph. I'm really hoping that it doesn't just happen to be at the next island? LoL.
I'm really wondering if Vivi's status will make the Straw Hats act? And with the new Pacifista's, does this mean that all the Kuma versions are clones of Kuma that have been cyborged up? And does that mean, that there is maybe a conscience in there? It's actually super dark stuff lol.
And I loved Rayleigh coming in like a boss, wish we'd gotten his old/current bounty? But I really love that Oda is staying true to Blackbeard's character, that he's slightly a cowered, it still makes me wonder if Teach is actually a D, or just says that, because he was inspired by someone? Or a story?
Also very happy that Koby did not defeat Boa, like a lot of people thought he would.
@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:
So having an offboard crew would surely have a lot less mass appeal because those characters don't really ring a bell for people who are not following the manga/anime. If you'd for example see Yamato with the crew, somebody would say "oh, I guess this character is part of the crew now". But having her or Vivi be offboard crew members just means nothing.
Heh. Yes. Exactly.
Oda doesn't want people to know them. I realized this a few years back and I mentioned it....somewhere (probably here?) That Oda realizes putting the crew....AS THE CREW....ruins story beats.
When you see the Strawhats in an ad, it ruins the fact that they joined as a surprise in the story and when possible Oda tries to avoid ruining the story via promotional material.This doesn't always work out (see Robin in anime intro) but he tries to make it work.
See the design of Franky and Robin post-skip. Both of them are almost surgically-design to preserve the identities of pre-skip Robin and Franky so non-readers won't know they're part of the crew.
I would agree with the Yamato stuff being last minute if Oda didn't stuff Momo down his shirt and continue the retainer meme for most of Yamato's panel time.
Finally found a boat to get Momo out of there, then nope, Kaido is lifting Onigashima.
Finally got rid of Momo to fight Kaido, then right back to teaching him more about flame cloud.
Transformed into his beast mode to hurry and deal with the explosives, aaaah, there goes Momo again for them to interact.
All while skipping out on Franky, Sanji, Robin and Brook. I should have listened to Kaido. Yamato is Oden, with the Wano guardian deity DF, protector of Momo, and spent at least 10 days with the Cave Daimyo Trio.
