Not a good look for us
So frustrating. He's basically the last candidate that should be targeted for this kind of misplaced crap. I had a few friends at that rally. They were not happy. I really don't get why they felt this would help anyone.
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I wanna hope those people were plants truthfully speaking, just stupid shit to do that accomplishes nothing and makes the movement look desperate.
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According to very reliable commentator field sources it's all a sting funded by some European billionare to allow Hildawg to win, ushering in the new age of feminazism and communism. God bless you guys and your colourful election kooks, there's some good stuff in there.
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According to very reliable commentator field sources it's all a sting funded by some European billionare to allow Hildawg to win, ushering in the new age of feminazism and communism. God bless you guys and your colourful election kooks, there's some good stuff in there.
sigh. We do have far too many kooks. She doesn't really strike me as feminist though. I'm not sure why exactly. But I don't recall her saying anything in particular one way or another. Nothing memorable on the subject I guess? I know I've at least seen a few quotes from president Obama.
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Not a good look for us
I don't get it… just what should he be 'held accountable' for? One of he protestors say "Not doing enough"? wha..... I was thinking he had some sort of anti-black comments to get that treatment .. but no that's not it, it seems.
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I appreciate the sentiment, but why BERNIE?
I don't get it… just what should he be 'held accountable' for? One of he protestors say "Not doing enough"? wha..... I was thinking he had some sort of anti-black comments to get that treatment .. but no that's not it, it seems.
Bernie Sanders doesn't have a real strong social platform. He's running mainly on his economic beliefs and translates that into passionate views on economics-related social issues; as far as purely social issues go, his rhetoric isn't much more distinct than standard liberal stuff. In some ways he's still just an old white guy: his original plan to address racism in America when declaring earlier this year was to look for ways to correct the economic imbalance in incomes. That might help but it certainly doesn't take in the whole problem.
Protesters can do this because Bernie is looking for their support. I just wish they would take a different tone than this aggressive one, because they're on the same side and this is souring the relationship. Seriously, if they tried this at a Republican speech there's a good chance someone would end up shot or in jail.
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Protesters can do this because Bernie is looking for their support. I just wish they would take a different tone than this aggressive one, because they're on the same side and this is souring the relationship. Seriously, if they tried this at a Republican speech there's a good chance someone would end up shot or in jail.
Jail yes….shot?........no?
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Well the only good news is that BLM have said these chowderheads don't speak for the group.
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So my mom isn't voting for Donald Trump anymore, now that she knows what he thinks about climate change. The only thing she agreed with him on is the speech about Mexicans. My dad was fangirling over Donald Trump this morning, and more recently Ben Carson. (Both of my parents are actually Democrats)
I'm honestly confused about the portrayal of Trump. People were saying he's not a serious candidate, that he doesn't actually want to be President, etc. But now I see so many supporters of him, and he's apparently doing well. So, should we or should we not take him seriously as a possible presidential candidate?
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@Medical:
(Both of my parents are actually Democrats)
In what possible way outside of being still un-transitioned Dixiecrats are they Democrats.
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Finally saw the debate and I just want to touch on Ben Carson's plan to "heal our divided" nation when talking about race relations in this country.
'I wouldn't talk about it that much. Hell, I'd pretty much ignore race because I'm a neurosurgeon and I've seen the insides of people. That's all everyone cares about. Anyone who substantially talks about race is trying to divide and destroy us.'
What the hell are you talking about? That's not verbatim of course but that's what he pretty much says. Anyone not living under a rock knows the cliche, what's on the "inside" counts more than what's on the "outside", but the reality is…what's on the outside counts a hell of a lot more than people like to admit. It counts how people look at you, treat you, how society defines you, and it contributes to how you define yourself. There's no perfect society where you can just go around and your race has no affect on how you will be treated and viewed, positively or negatively. Ignoring the reality and not talking about it, but instead concentrating on every individual person as president (how is that even physically possible!???), is not the damn solution! It's a fairy tale cop-out answer that makes people feel good inside because they're avoiding the harsher reality. That there is racism, now deal with it!
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@Monkey:
In what possible way outside of being still un-transitioned Dixiecrats are they Democrats.
-They think the rich should pay higher taxes
-They don't support standardized testing, and they hated Bush's education policies
-They believe in a free college education
-They're pro-choice
-They believe in using solar energy (they've talked about how they'd want solar panels for their own house, but they're too expensive)
-They support socialized medicineThe only non-Democratic points they get is their racism/homophobia/transphobia. The racism is weird because they make specific exceptions once in a while (Obama, Chris Rock, Ben Carson, Nelson Mandela), and the homophobia and transphobia are weird because they believe in separation of church and state and have ranted about Bible-thumpers before.
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Republicans talking about race make me annoyed, black republicans talking about race make me ashamed even when their talking points are the same.
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Hey, that black guy agreed with us so we must be right.
(And it's not like every Republican is the same but the mainstream party line rhetoric/stance of 'talking about race is a divisive wedge issue' is so freaking disastrous to the whole conversation because it stops the conversation or turns the act of having a conversation into a perceived negative)
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-They don't support standardized testing, and they hated Bush's education policies
Support against standardized testing is a Democratic stance? But there were a lot of people at the Republican debate who were against Common Core. It almost feels like an issue that isn't split along a party divide.
I guess the partisan aspect comes in as to where standards and curriculum should be regulated: the federal level or at the state level. Almost everyone hates standardized testing but no one really has a good alternative to it.
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Support against standardized testing is a Democratic stance? But there were a lot of people at the Republican debate who were against Common Core. It almost feels like an issue that isn't split along a party divide.
I guess the partisan aspect comes in as to where standards and curriculum should be regulated: the federal level or at the state level. Almost everyone hates standardized testing but no one really has a good alternative to it.
This is true. Standardized education motions always seem to piss off everyone.
No Child Left Behind pissed off everyone, and so now does Common Core.
And I would even disagree about the state level.
Around here with the super high standards in CT and MA, deeply blue states, there's a lot of guff toward the federal government being a lumbering incompetent on education that is trying to do it's best with the disaster states like Mississippi but has nothing to offer us and only drags us down in trying to set standards across the whole nation that pay attention more to a median than the highest level.Like "Hey buddy, it's great of you to try and teach Arkansas how to not to eat paste. But don't try and act like you have anything to teach me. You're just gonna slow me down bro."
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NCLB was the one that placed too much emphasis on testing scores to determine educational achievement right?
If so then yeah, there's just a lot of cans of worms to be opened from that kind of fallacious thinking.
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Like "Hey buddy, it's great of you to try and teach Arkansas how to not to eat paste. But don't try and act like you have anything to teach me. You're just gonna slow me down bro."
A-freaking-men.
Nobody in any of my schools liked standardized testing. The teachers were always very apologetic about it to the students.
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NBC poll keeps Trump well in the lead after debate.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-trump-remains-in-commanding-lead-after-debate-drama
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@Monkey:
This is true. Standardized education motions always seem to piss off everyone.
No Child Left Behind pissed off everyone, and so now does Common Core.
And I would even disagree about the state level.
Around here with the super high standards in CT and MA, deeply blue states, there's a lot of guff toward the federal government being a lumbering incompetent on education that is trying to do it's best with the disaster states like Mississippi but has nothing to offer us and only drags us down in trying to set standards across the whole nation that pay attention more to a median than the highest level.Like "Hey buddy, it's great of you to try and teach Arkansas how to not to eat paste. But don't try and act like you have anything to teach me. You're just gonna slow me down bro."
It's unfair to characterize underachieving states as solely Southern states. Academic achievement strongly correlates with socioeconomic status, meaning that states with many poor or immigrant families often score poorly. My state, California, is progressive but still ranks quite poorly, though part of that is also due to the sheer size and unwieldliness of our state.
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I'm glad I had the opportunity to go to private school for 3 years of highschool and 2 years in elementary school. The times in public school were not good for many reasons. So many public schools in my area had metal detectors and violent kids. The teachers also seemed kinda over it…
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Josh Marshall's reading of the debate and its effect on Trump is pretty much the same as mine.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/is-trump-done-no
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/josh-doubles-down-on-trumpSure, the establishment is piling on Trump but that's not really going to hurt him since his whole shtick is that everybody is against him. The only way that they'll finally get rid of him is for enough candidates to drop out that their support goes to somebody else instead to put them ahead of Trump and he loses in the primaries.
Complicating things since 2009.
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It's unfair to characterize underachieving states as solely Southern states. Academic achievement strongly correlates with socioeconomic status, meaning that states with many poor or immigrant families often score poorly.
There's tons of immigrants in the BosNyWash corridor too, though I suppose less with the language barrier that Mexicans often have (Puerto Ricans by contrast are bilingual powerhouses pretty much across the board).
But the argument I'm making isn't about the students, it's about the systems and standards the states have. Including the quality of public schools even in middling and SOME poor areas.
While California may have to grapple with a large linguistically challenged population (well for first gen, Mexican kids who grow up here from birth are actually set to learn a more TV english than most white kids in some areas lol) and droughts and shit…that doesn't excuse states that have ghastly records on spending toward education and reform within the same. -
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There's tons of immigrants in the BosNyWash corridor too, though I suppose less with the language barrier that Mexicans often have (Puerto Ricans by contrast are bilingual powerhouses pretty much across the board).
But the argument I'm making isn't about the students, it's about the systems and standards the states have. Including the quality of public schools even in middling and SOME poor areas.
While California may have to grapple with a large linguistically challenged population (well for first gen, Mexican kids who grow up here from birth are actually set to learn a more TV english than most white kids in some areas lol) and droughts and shit…that doesn't excuse states that have ghastly records on spending toward education and reform within the same.The education budget is an easy punching bag for lawmakers looking to make cuts, since education is the ultimate investment in the future and no one has the foresight for that when the next election cycle is right around the corner. The worst part is that teachers almost always capitulate since they're not just in it for the money. I guess that's what actually caring about the kids gets you.
In my opinion, the best way to improve education in the US would involve a cultural change to finally value teachers for what they do. It's long past due that we give teachers the respect, support, and resources they deserve. And I don't mean just throwing money at the schools to give them the shiniest new technology, because by and large that is a waste of money.
Sorry, this is just a topic I feel quite strongly about.
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Sure, the establishment is piling on Trump but that's not really going to hurt him since his whole shtick is that everybody is against him. The only way that they'll finally get rid of him is for enough candidates to drop out that their support goes to somebody else instead to put them ahead of Trump and he loses in the primaries.
And even then he might make good on his threat to run as a third-party candidate and continue to plague the Republican party.
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The education budget is an easy punching bag for lawmakers looking to make cuts, since education is the ultimate investment in the future and no one has the foresight for that when the next election cycle is right around the corner. The worst part is that teachers almost always capitulate since they're not just in it for the money. I guess that's what actually caring about the kids gets you.
In my opinion, the best way to improve education in the US would involve a cultural change to finally value teachers for what they do. It's long past due that we give teachers the respect, support, and resources they deserve. And I don't mean just throwing money at the schools to give them the shiniest new technology, because by and large that is a waste of money.
Sorry, this is just a topic I feel quite strongly about.
Teacher's unions are extremely resourceful when they want to be. I'm not saying they don't care about cuts to education in general, but start talking about taking away their tenure or lowering their wages and suddenly they fight like it's life or death. Just like Democrats and Republicans are less concerned about the welfare of people and more concerned with retaining what power they have over them and expanding it, teacher's unions are less about caring for kids and more about using them as shields to protect the jobs most of them don't deserve.
If you want to change the culture surrounding public school teachers, you have to make it harder to be one. In the US it seems like a fallback career for too many people. But if you are a good teacher why would you want to work in an area that has high crime and poverty teaching kids who are up against of mountain of social problems outside of school that make educating them harder. So even if you do change the culture surrounding teachers, the good ones are going to teach in the nicest schools. So you need money for after school programs, sports teams, day care, music, theater, arts programs, technical programs, summer camps, etc. Everything you can to keep the kids from soaking up too much of their toxic environment so the education sinks in. But how can a school district that already has incredibly poor demand money for such things, it can't even get the teaching part of their job right.
There's no best way to fix education in the US. It's a shitty rusted flaming metal death trap of a car. You need to completely redo like they did with healthcare and even after all the watering down they barely got it through and Republican's have been threatening to undo it as one of their mission statements. An education reform would involve even more support from Federal, State, and Local governing bodies of every state in order to be nationally effective and they would have to fight for it at every level.
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Teacher's unions are extremely resourceful when they want to be. I'm not saying they don't care about cuts to education in general, but start talking about taking away their tenure or lowering their wages and suddenly they fight like it's life or death. Just like Democrats and Republicans are less concerned about the welfare of people and more concerned with retaining what power they have over them and expanding it, teacher's unions are less about caring for kids and more about using them as shields to protect the jobs most of them don't deserve.
I deeply disagree with this. That might be your experience with teachers' unions, but mine has been that the schools have been put under immense pressure by the state of California, and they have frozen their pay the past several years (instead of increasing with raises to match inflation) in order to reduce the number of teachers laid off. Those are the younger teachers that they're trying to protect, since more experienced ones have tenure. Despite that, I've had a number of passionate teachers fired due to budgetary constraints. Many more have received pink slips on a yearly basis and only narrowly had their jobs saved each time, two of which decided to move out of state in order to have better financial security for their families.
There are always going to be some bad teachers in the system and I know not everyone's public school experience has been as positive as mine, but painting all teachers and the unions with the same brush does them injustice. Tenure is something I'm not especially fond of, but since there's much less opport unity to work their way up any equivalent of the corporate ladder I can see the need for a mechanism for job security. The process could definitely be tweaked. I can also agree that it should be harder to become a teacher, but we also need to increase the desirability of teaching.
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And for a break from the literal interpretation of Send in the Clowns being played out on the right…
The Bern attracts huge crowds and implicitly responds to Black Lives Matters protesters the very next day with a platform addressing racial inequality:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-inequality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77I've seen people on facebook call him a coward and out of touch old racist for basically walking off stage when the protesters took over the event in Seattle but…his proactive followup in Portland- as opposed to indignation and inaction (the trigger response when old white men are called racist) seems pretty genuine to me. And far more palatable than anything the other side is offering.
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@CCC:
And for a break from the literal interpretation of Send in the Clowns being played out on the right…
The Bern attracts huge crowds and implicitly responds to Black Lives Matters protesters the very next day with a platform addressing racial inequality:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-inequality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77I've seen people on facebook call him a coward and out of touch old racist for basically walking off stage when the protesters took over the event in Seattle but…his proactive followup in Portland- as opposed to indignation and inaction (the trigger response when old white men are called racist) seems pretty genuine to me. And far more palatable than anything the other side is offering.
I guess those 2 women kinda got results then? Without a doubt they put the issue somewhere in the forefront of his mind and campaign, and without a doubt if they didn't do what they did Bernie wouldn't have been talking about it like he is now and releasing a detailed platform on combating racial inequality. It's no coincidence it happened so soon after the incident.
Do I still cringe when I see them interrupt his speech like that? Yes, but, hell, at least they didn't throw a shoe at him and it all turned out well. Bernie handled it better than a lot of others would have.
Everything's Eventual…
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@Medical:
I'm honestly confused about the portrayal of Trump. People were saying he's not a serious candidate, that he doesn't actually want to be President, etc. But now I see so many supporters of him, and he's apparently doing well. So, should we or should we not take him seriously as a possible presidential candidate?
He's not serious. He's doing well because he's not playing the usual game and coming in as a charismatic outsider basically, but the party hates him too much to let him be THE nominee. He's also the easiest and most "fun" for news shows to report on, so he's getting a ton of media attention.
It'll stabilize once their field drops from 17 guys to three or four and they figure out who they want to push, and then he'll probably go third party.
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And far more palatable than anything the other side is offering.
I like Bernie. The nation has caught up and is ready for him.
Kind of a shame Hillary was pretty much declared the defacto winner four years ago and he's too old to run again in another 4 or 8 years.
(Hilary is opposite Trump. People may not like her, but she's SUCH a well known quantity and such an assumed winner that she's already got the bulk of the party's support. And Bill's outstanding 8 years give her some added punch.)
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Two more polls show that the weekend didn't hurt Trump.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/reuters-ipsos-trump-kelly-blood
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/ppp-trump-iowa-gop-debateBeing reasonable doesn't seem to have done a thing for Kasich; he got a good response from the crowd of his own state but I suspect it wouldn't have went over so well elsewhere. His gay marriage talk in particular probably would have flopped had this been held in a more conservative state. For all the talk about Rubio from analysts (which I found baffling since nothing he said struck me as particularly memorable), the debate doesn't seem to have helped him. If there was any real change from the debate, Fiorina's performance at the kid's table was the biggest.
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I guess those 2 women kinda got results then? Without a doubt they put the issue somewhere in the forefront of his mind and campaign, and without a doubt if they didn't do what they did Bernie wouldn't have been talking about it like he is now and releasing a detailed platform on combating racial inequality. It's no coincidence it happened so soon after the incident.
Do I still cringe when I see them interrupt his speech like that? Yes, but, hell, at least they didn't throw a
shoe at him and it all turned out well. Bernie handled it better than a lot of others would have.
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The education budget is an easy punching bag for lawmakers looking to make cuts, since education is the ultimate investment in the future and no one has the foresight for that when the next election cycle is right around the corner. The worst part is that teachers almost always capitulate since they're not just in it for the money. I guess that's what actually caring about the kids gets you.
In my opinion, the best way to improve education in the US would involve a cultural change to finally value teachers for what they do. It's long past due that we give teachers the respect, support, and resources they deserve. And I don't mean just throwing money at the schools to give them the shiniest new technology, because by and large that is a waste of money.
Sorry, this is just a topic I feel quite strongly about.
It's very evident in the private sector in particular.
One would think (as I always did) that Private Schools offer first and foremost better education by way of teachers. Likely highly qualified, well paid, the people ready to take advantage of the looser less guidelined advantages that the private sector can offer.
Except with some exceptions…even here in the US education mecca region...private schools are where teachers go for easier employment because of lower standards and extremely less benefits. You don't necessarily even need certification, but expect crap pay considering the work load, possibly even no benefits.
So as a result really it's almost a place where low level teachers wind up, and new fresh outta college teachers trying to get a foot in who will invariably move on to public schools.Again this is the local situation. That may be somewhat reversed elsewhere, but I'm pretty sure only in regard to the public schools being worse, not the private schools being any better.
This whole scenario blows my mind and seems completely ass backwards. But it seems to really be a symptom of yeah, devaluation of teachers. Private schools can offer flashy fresh amenities and prestige on paper I guess. But teachers might as well be paper towels.
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And even then he might make good on his threat to run as a third-party candidate and continue to plague the Republican party.
This is the golden scenario. Let's all pray hard enough to make it happened.
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Teacher's unions are extremely resourceful when they want to be. I'm not saying they don't care about cuts to education in general, but start talking about taking away their tenure or lowering their wages and suddenly they fight like it's life or death. Just like Democrats and Republicans are less concerned about the welfare of people and more concerned with retaining what power they have over them and expanding it, teacher's unions are less about caring for kids and more about using them as shields to protect the jobs most of them don't deserve.
Teacher wages even around here could stand to be better. And they get paid better around here than most places. Not seeing the hysteria of unions protecting wage levels.
Tenure is a trickier issue because not only does it result in some people holding on longer than they ought to, but also it disadvantages younger teachers at times (this sort of thing is a universal issue among unions really).
As for "most of them", what even is that based on exactly?I'll scoff at the concept of teacher's unions when we don't live in a country that shits all over the field.
If you want to change the culture surrounding public school teachers, you have to make it harder to be one.
The system around here is perfectly legit (required cert, involving college work and state mandated test passing). Elsewhere the standards are laxer…where everyttttthing is laxer and education is given a yawn to begin with. Do you think low standards go hand in hand with areas that value education more? Not at all. It's the opposite.
In the US it seems like a fallback career for too many people.
Only due to certain liberal arts fields not really having much real world application outside of super specialized and fairly sparse jobs.
Not because it's some lazy government welfare job or whatever you're implying lol. It's a generally in demand position that (well here) pays above livable wages depending and comes with nice benefits.There's no best way to fix education in the US. It's a shitty rusted flaming metal death trap of a car. You need to completely redo like they did with healthcare and even after all the watering down they barely got it through and Republican's have been threatening to undo it as one of their mission statements. An education reform would involve even more support from Federal, State, and Local governing bodies of every state in order to be nationally effective and they would have to fight for it at every level.
Everything (…except innercities) works pretty well in New England (except for Rhode Island for some reason??). But that's running up against an area where education has been respected on some level culturally since before there even was a US. Yeah, even if a large portion of it is shallow helicopter parent crap.
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Teacher wages even around here could stand to be better. And they get paid better around here than most places. Not seeing the hysteria of unions protecting wage levels.
Tenure is a trickier issue because not only does it result in some people holding on longer than they ought to, but also it disadvantages younger teachers at times (this sort of thing is a universal issue among unions really).
As for "most of them", what even is that based on exactly?I'll scoff at the concept of teacher's unions when we don't live in a country that shits all over the field.
Teacher's around here start anywhere from 35-50k and they're in demand especially in STEM fields (not that public schools around here give a shit about engineering).That's not bad for just having a bachelors, not terrific but they can get as high as 70-100k if that's the career you want. You can probably take most of the credits you have or were going to have going into whatever other field and apply them towards an education degree if the time should ever come. Considering that when you reach the top, and that top is based on time not performance, you have fool proof job security it's a solid deal. You won't be making bank for awhile but if you commit to it you can live comfortably off a teachers salary around here.
My most of them is based on personal experience. It's anecdotal but I don't think people are that different depending where you are. I have a hard time imagining teachers in Camden being of completely different mindset than teachers in LA. Maybe it was harsh but I do believe they care more about their jobs than they do about children. That's not to say they don't care about kids at all but when push comes to shove and they have to choose they'll choose maintaining the status quo rather than risk changes which is understandable, but to me, unacceptable.
@Monkey:
The system around here is perfectly legit (required cert, involving college work and state mandated test passing). Elsewhere the standards are laxer…where everyttttthing is laxer and education is given a yawn to begin with. Do you think low standards go hand in hand with areas that value education more? Not at all. It's the opposite.
I know it's the opposite. I wrote a whole paragraph about it.
@Monkey:
Only due to certain liberal arts fields not really having much real world application outside of super specialized and fairly sparse jobs.
Not because it's some lazy government welfare job or whatever you're implying lol. It's a generally in demand position that (well here) pays above livable wages depending and comes with nice benefits.You just said how the standards are laxer in other places…well the perks remain the same everywhere. Also the people in bold who turn to teaching are using it as a fallback career, and it basically applies to every graduate with a social science degree without their masters or PhD or some higher education equivalent. Even some STEM majors can be lumped in there but at least with those fields the master can lead right into a PhD and the bump in pay even with a masters is substantially worth it.
@Monkey:
Everything (…except innercities) works pretty well in New England (except for Rhode Island for some reason??). But that's running up against an area where education has been respected on some level culturally since before there even was a US. Yeah, even if a large portion of it is shallow helicopter parent crap.
But the culture thing really might be the problem. Republicans have been hard at work demonizing public education/teachers, so effectively even you've spouted some of their talking points in this very post. It's the same sickness effecting reform issues everywhere in the US.Republican's can be right that public education and the teachers in it are shit and I think they are. I also think they're either wrong or have no real idea of how to solve the problem. I don't want private education. I want public education that actually works for everyone. You can't exclude innercities and make exceptions and still say it's working at all. It's public. If some parts do well and other parts are shit then the whole things shit. It's like separate but equal. Everyone should have access to the same level of public education otherwise you're just separating by geography which (by coincidence i'm sure) also happens to be separating by ethnic demographics. I shouldn't cross the borough line within the same county and end up in an education paradise, cross it again, still in the same county and be in some educational hellscape.
There are always going to be some bad teachers in the system and I know not everyone's public school experience has been as positive as mine, but painting all teachers and the unions with the same brush does them injustice. Tenure is something I'm not especially fond of, but since there's much less opport unity to work their way up any equivalent of the corporate ladder I can see the need for a mechanism for job security. The process could definitely be tweaked. I can also agree that it should be harder to become a teacher, but we also need to increase the desirability of teaching.
I didn't respond to you earlier because I thought your perspective was valid, even if I disagreed, and came from personal experience, which I can't refute. I know my experience with education is different though. There are probably more good teachers than bad. But I think the largest group is just riding it out in the middle and I don't think you can do that with education and be successful. A teacher who is just OK isn't doing anyone any good.
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Guys, choose that Bernie _Sander_s guy, sounds like a swell dude.
Seriously though, please don't choose Trump, sound like an insane asshole.
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Now that's funny because instead of driving a wedge between BLM and the Democratic Party they ended up putting Bernie Sanders and other Democrats closer to the issue by talking about it more.
Nice job.
Everything's Eventual…
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Who would chose Trump? The only reason we like having him around is because he makes the whole thing entertaining.
Hardcore conservatives?
Also I see a lot of people go around saying things like "I like Trumps honesty and directness!" and "I would vote him into office for the lulz!".
Those people are joking right?
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Now that's funny because instead of driving a wedge between BLM and the Democratic Party they ended up putting Bernie Sanders and other Democrats closer to the issue by talking about it more.
Nice job.
Black people and logic are like Black people and money. They don't always use it correctly.
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Hardcore conservatives?
Also I see a lot of people go around saying things like "I like Trumps honesty and directness!" and "I would vote him into office for the lulz!".
Those people are joking right?
I don't think so. They're just the ones talking the loudest while everyone else snickers.
But as Rogues and MK said, Trump losing the nomination would be a windfall for anyone who cares the slightest about progressive politics. Let's let him start a feud with Megyn Kelly Eric Erickson and all of Fox News and take a good 30% of the hardcore base with him. I was randomly browsing some conservative news sites the other day (know thine enemy) and based on some of the comments I saw from the least mouth-breathy of them, that's the nightmare scenario they desperately want to avoid. But luckily for everyone invested in not having to move to Canada, Trump's the kind of bloated sack of ego that'll just push back harder if they try to edge him out, peacefully or otherwise.As is often the case, it's the Democrats' race to lose.
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I wonder if the GOP is absolutely at a loss as to what can be done about Trump.
If he gets the nomination, then the party may as well collapse then and there and I guess we can bring the Whigs back.
If he doesn't get the nomination, he runs third party and siphons off votes from the Republican candidate.
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@Cyan:
I wonder if the GOP is absolutely at a loss as to what can be done about Trump.
If he gets the nomination, then the party may as well collapse then and there and I guess we can bring the Whigs back.
If he doesn't get the nomination, he runs third party and siphons off votes from the Republican candidate.
The only solution left is to assassinate him.
Only for him to come back and haunt the GOP party Ghost Nappa style.
Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
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I'm not sure where Trump is actually getting this support from. I'm close to a whole lot of people who range from mildly to ultra conservative, every one of them thinks Trump is a loon with no business actually running. They like that he brought up immigration issues, but otherwise they all like other candidates.
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I'm not sure where Trump is actually getting this support from. I'm close to a whole lot of people who range from mildly to ultra conservative, every one of them thinks Trump is a loon with no business actually running. They like that he brought up immigration issues, but otherwise they all like other candidates.
There are plenty of Trump supporters who support him simply because they believe that a man who can make himself rich can make the county's middle class rich. Although I honestly believe that the majority of his support comes from people that enjoy him not having a filter. Many middle class working conservatives are tired of the establishment say-what-the-people-want-to-hear candidates. They think he's a real person, and many want to vote for him simply on that alone.
However that really goes to show how fucked our democratic system is now. Voters are looking at Trump like he's the Cousin Oliver. He's a new fresh face that keeps people interested in the show, however it quickly gets annoying and will simply tank the quality of the rest of the party(not that there is much to begin with).
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@Rogues':
The only solution left is to assassinate him.
Only for him to come back and haunt the GOP party Ghost Nappa style.
The Dutch equivalent to Trump was assassinated and that just led to him becoming martyred, gaining even more popularity and both the right and left desperately stealing his viewpoints so to regain lost voters and not being accused of being responsible for the murder.
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Trump is the Id Monster to the GOP's Dr. Morbius; there's no real way to get rid of him because he actually is the GOP in its deepest heart and soul.
While I know it's unfair to the latter, Jeb Bush is this situation's Robbie the Robot.
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Fox sends up a white flag to join the Confederate one.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/fox-news-picked-trump-over-megyn-kelly.html
Complicating things since 2009.
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Rick Perry can't pay his interns
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Fun conspiracy theory about Trump intentionally helping Hillary in the long-run:
http://blackbag.gawker.com/is-donald-trump-running-a-false-flag-campaign-to-help-h-1723925057I'm not sold, but this was a good line:
"If Trump had an agreement with Hillary to ensure her win by embarrassing R's & then running as an indie, what would he be doing differently?" -
@CCC:
Fun conspiracy theory about Trump intentionally helping Hillary in the long-run:
http://blackbag.gawker.com/is-donald-trump-running-a-false-flag-campaign-to-help-h-1723925057I'm not sold, but this was a good line:
"If Trump had an agreement with Hillary to ensure her win by embarrassing R's & then running as an indie, what would he be doing differently?"
