Not yet, not everybody.
Law still has to put his faith in Luffy to win :ninja:
LOL. Good point.
Seems like you're desperate for a Hakuba fight… I am expecting Oda to do it sometime soon. Only time will tell.
Not yet, not everybody.
Law still has to put his faith in Luffy to win :ninja:
LOL. Good point.
Seems like you're desperate for a Hakuba fight… I am expecting Oda to do it sometime soon. Only time will tell.
Thoughts…
Okay... allow me to say it clearly: even if we take will of the people into consideration, that still doesn not explain his sudden support for Luffy.
Not to mention that it does reduces him to a pawn: his actions are never proactive, only reactive. Nevermind that the crowds were hardly in the position to make autonomous decisions to begin with.
It feels as if the entire manga just went Meta, and said "We are going to let Luffy do it, cause he is protagonist."
Honestly? I think Oda is setting us up. I honest to god think that Oda is setting us up for Luffy's defeat to come off as a shocking development. It would fit the pace the manga is going at, it would fit his themes, and it would be the most interesting development since... well, timeskip.
I want to see Fujitora lose his bet, and see how it will develop from there.
I will try, once again, and only because I THINK I understand how your process of thoughts about One Pice work, to try to show you, with logic and evidence and knowledge on storytelling and in your terms, why you are predicting it wrong - or at least, this saga and the Fujitora affair. And yes, this means a hell of a long post is coming, so brace yourself.
! First of all: Luffy is not gonna definitely lose, that's water-clear. But, if he loses one round and Fujitora says "I was wrong", what would you or the story achieve? Fujitora would still have to rest still in order to Luffy to utterly win. I can't see Luffy defeating a DD escaping from Fuji for many reasons, but mainly two: main audience wants Luffy to kick his ass without outer help (and less coming from a Marine who is not Smoker/Coby, and you can't do anything about that, sorry), and also… there's no Sunny around, so I expect a rather easy escape from Dressrosa after the battles are done.
IIRC, you said you expected a subversion rather than a repetition of Alabasta situation. I couldn't agree more with this, as what would be the point of mere repetition? As a Marine fan (admiral-admirer:ninja:), didn't you pay special attention to the POST-Alabasta plot? All the Smoker getting angry with the marines? Well, Gorusei or top-Marine ranks decided to cover-up the incidient despite knowing that it had been Luffy who took down Crocodile. Guess what also happened with Moria? Cover-up, and making up the excuse of "war", as mere collateral damage.
! So, while we are seing plenty of parallelisms and revision between Dressrosa and Alabasta (hell, I've even read around here that Law is playing the princess' rol of the damsel in distress); what if the difference is simply that Fujitora, who is far above rank of pre-TS Smoker, wants to and will make sure to tell the world that it was a pirate who did it and not the marines?
! As for now, the marines have 'only' had to 'explain' Crocodile's, BB's and Jimbei's treasons (Moria was simply a war casualty), so they could argue they were exceptions (as if any reader was gonna believe it, duh). This time, we have Law + DD at the same time. Just a conflict between 2 warlords can be seen as the summum of their uselessness. And, personally, I believe that DD's unique situation (mainly bc he aided one of the opposing forces, Kaido, and bc he fcked up more than 'only' one island) could be plenty enough to supress all the Shiki sistem (except for Kuma, obviously), but there's also the huge acumulation of treasons. So, in the eyes of Fujitora (:ninja:), it is clear that he has to avoid cover anything up, as as the moreshitload to DD's situation, the merrier, if he indeed wants its abolition.
! And, now, we only need to think why making worldwide known that it was a pirate and not marines who eliminated him could be useful for his cause. For now, I can only justify this strictly by storytelling patterns, but I am sure anyone can come up with interesting ways in which Oda could present it as an optimal choice for Fujitora:
! - It's as simple as it will be an interesting and slight subversion of the Smoker-Crocodile situation.
! For now, his gamble can be read as plainly stupid (why doesn't he himself crush DD and mark a victory on the Marine's side? I can only come up with a plausible reason in Dofla's statement "they don't know how to deal with me"), but there's planty of ways in which Oda can still justify his actions. But, for now, I think you just have to cope with the fact that, except for your beloved Akainu, all admirals are carefree and unpredictable -at least until their leitmotiv are clearly exposed, afterwards of their actions. Aokiji letting her go (:ninja:) in W7, Kizaru not arresting any Supernova in SA, Kizaru not non-stop killing people during the war… You can call it Oda's inconsistence, and it is true to a certain degree (Supernovas and Mugiwaras have indeed and impenetrable plot-armor), but it seems to me it is more likely that these characters are also being presented to be inconsistent, unpredictable and carefree themselves, just like Garp or many other top-tiers.
! Bonus Track: if you want Fujitora to realize he made the wrong choice... well, there's plenty enough time for Luffy to grow to be a top-class thread for them because of the events of this saga (and more to come), thus making it a wrong call.
And I am interested: why does he have to realize this mistake, instead of becoming a Luffy-fan as many others have done and will do? Is it for his bromance with Akainu? (Not that I'd want him as a fanboy, just implying that there's not much basis to tell if Fujitora will turn to Coby's, Smoker's and Aokiji's side or stay inside of Akainu's bandwagoon of the dark side).
Really, the manga lately has pretty much been screaming "Luffy will save the day!" to our faces.
Mingo looked fearful when LAW took up the stuff about the D bringing up another storm, from an earlier chapter. That got me thinking that more of Mingo's flashback or talk to Luffy will give us more insight to what what the Will of D really is.
Maybe Law is surprisingly tanky because he's constantly fixing himself up off panel.
Maybe Law is surprisingly tanky because he's constantly fixing himself up off panel.
Well since he is a surgeon who can pick out bullets from his body without causing it any harm whatsoever, it wouldn't surprise me. On top of that, most likely having the ability to seal fleshwound. As a sidenote, I would like to point out that the ability to survive mortal injuries in One Piece is in no sense bound by any laws off logic. How somebody can be completely covered in fire without having the skin melt off, or at least have some really serious burns is the first question you should ask concerning the ability to take damage. Then you might as well create a checklist every time somebody survive injuries that would harm the person in a much more severe way than it did.
Fujitoras luck is pretty good. He won his bets at the gambling table but was being lied too. I don't think Oda showed us that for nothing. If anything it shows he is making a good bet that he will win.
I think one of the most interesting things about the chapter is that the crowd referred to luffy as "the pirate king" now while it may seem small now this is exactly how the name strawhat started started to stick back in east blue. What if oda gradually starts building luffys pirate king title the same way he did with straw hat.
I think one of the most interesting things about the chapter is that the crowd referred to luffy as "the pirate king" now while it may seem small now this is exactly how the name strawhat started started to stick back in east blue. What if oda gradually starts building luffys pirate king title the same way he did with straw hat.
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Where exactly ? I think they were referring to Doffy.
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talking about luffy for revealing doffy. they not gonna praise him as pirate king after they know the truth about what he did.
Really, the manga lately has pretty much been screaming "Luffy will save the day!" to our faces.
I agree. And subverting his first win after something like that is about as basic plot device to create shock amongst readers as you can get.
I don't know how Law can tank as many hits as he has in a single day other than having his body parts elsewhere. From having his heart squeezed by Vergo, getting beaten by Doflamingo and Fujitora, then getting beaten by Doflamingo shortly afterwards and shot three times in the chest, and now Doflamingo stabbing him in the chest. This is diminishing Zoro's feats when he saved Luffy and up there with Whitebeard. For someone who isn't a massive physical fighter like Luffy or Zoro, he surprisingly can take a lot of hits…
It is not " diminishing Zoro's feats when he saved Luffy and up there with Whitebeard." … it's more like Usopp
All those injuries Law has gone through? ... well he's trying to imitate Usopp esp. his miraculous survival of injuries during the 2 days at Water 7/Enies Lobby:ninja:
Day 1= (morn/midday)gets mobbed by Franky family, gets hit by Franky's steel fist, (evening)fights Luffy and gets a punch(jet pistol?) to the stomach
Day 2 = gets bloody (literally) interrogated by Rob Lucci, stabbed by Jabra's 10 fingers, then falls off the roof (no one catches him)of the tallest tower during the buster call.
In the end, Usopp stands up and stands with SHs on the remains of the Bridge of Hesitation and yells encouragement to Luffy to get up ( the famous "it's not hell" speech.)
This is what I compare Law's current … 'ability to perform despite serious injuries' to , not to what anything Zoro or Whitebeard as gone through
Really, the manga lately has pretty much been screaming "Luffy will save the day!" to our faces.
You know my first response was "I disagree. Seems that is the theme for every arc. Every top villain is left to Luffy to defeat." But then I stopped and thought … they are literally saying that in the manga more. While they always had the action of leave it to Luffy to save the day. More and more there seems to be characters within the manga say it literally
You know my first response was "I disagree. Seems that is the theme for every arc. Every top villain is left to Luffy to defeat." But then I stopped and thought … they are literally saying that in the manga more. While they always had the action of leave it to Luffy to save the day. More and more there seems to be characters within the manga say it literally
See? Exactly. That is not the usual stuff we get, this is the universal vote of confidence, and stated very loudly at that.
Now, this is just a hunch, but why would Oda do something like that in the arc like this? Let us remind ourselfs, Doflamingo has no great victories this arc yet.
And he is a cruel, sadistic personality.
And what would be a better way to throw the country into despair then to beat their savior, even if it is for a little while?
See? Exactly. That is not the usual stuff we get, this is the universal vote of confidence, and stated very loudly at that.
Now, this is just a hunch, but why would Oda do something like that in the arc like this? Let us remind ourselfs, Doflamingo has no great victories this arc yet.
And he is a cruel, sadistic personality.
And what would be a better way to throw the country into despair then to beat their savior, even if it is for a little while?
A true sadist would look defeated off-panel and then have Luffy smiling and waving at the crowd …Because he was puppeteered into doing so.
Then just when everyone was cheering him and thinking they were saved he'd start Birdcage shrinking ( and maybe spinning. I really want to see Birdcage start spinning).
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talking about luffy for revealing doffy. they not gonna praise him as pirate king after they know the truth about what he did.
he is telling Dressrosa's story so it makes sense.
Of course we aren't going anywhere if it's only the 2 of us arguing.
I would like someone else's guess on this matter
A true sadist would look defeated off-panel and then have Luffy smiling and waving at the crowd …Because he was puppeteered into doing so.
Then just when everyone was cheering him and thinking they were saved he'd start Birdcage shrinking ( and maybe spinning. I really want to see Birdcage start spinning).
That ain't bad either to be honest.
I will try, once again, and only because I THINK I understand how your process of thoughts about One Pice work, to try to show you, with logic and evidence and knowledge on storytelling and in your terms, why you are predicting it wrong - or at least, this saga and the Fujitora affair. And yes, this means a hell of a long post is coming, so brace yourself.
! First of all: Luffy is not gonna definitely lose, that's water-clear. But, if he loses one round and Fujitora says "I was wrong", what would you or the story achieve? Fujitora would still have to rest still in order to Luffy to utterly win. I can't see Luffy defeating a DD escaping from Fuji for many reasons, but mainly two: main audience wants Luffy to kick his ass without outer help (and less coming from a Marine who is not Smoker/Coby, and you can't do anything about that, sorry), and also… there's no Sunny around, so I expect a rather easy escape from Dressrosa after the battles are done.
IIRC, you said you expected a subversion rather than a repetition of Alabasta situation. I couldn't agree more with this, as what would be the point of mere repetition? As a Marine fan (admiral-admirer:ninja:), didn't you pay special attention to the POST-Alabasta plot? All the Smoker getting angry with the marines? Well, Gorusei or top-Marine ranks decided to cover-up the incidient despite knowing that it had been Luffy who took down Crocodile. Guess what also happened with Moria? Cover-up, and making up the excuse of "war", as mere collateral damage.
! So, while we are seing plenty of parallelisms and revision between Dressrosa and Alabasta (hell, I've even read around here that Law is playing the princess' rol of the damsel in distress); what if the difference is simply that Fujitora, who is far above rank of pre-TS Smoker, wants to and will make sure to tell the world that it was a pirate who did it and not the marines?
! As for now, the marines have 'only' had to 'explain' Crocodile's, BB's and Jimbei's treasons (Moria was simply a war casualty), so they could argue they were exceptions (as if any reader was gonna believe it, duh). This time, we have Law + DD at the same time. Just a conflict between 2 warlords can be seen as the summum of their uselessness. And, personally, I believe that DD's unique situation (mainly bc he aided one of the opposing forces, Kaido, and bc he fcked up more than 'only' one island) could be plenty enough to supress all the Shiki sistem (except for Kuma, obviously), but there's also the huge acumulation of treasons. So, in the eyes of Fujitora (:ninja:), it is clear that he has to avoid cover anything up, as as the moreshitload to DD's situation, the merrier, if he indeed wants its abolition.
! And, now, we only need to think why making worldwide known that it was a pirate and not marines who eliminated him could be useful for his cause. For now, I can only justify this strictly by storytelling patterns, but I am sure anyone can come up with interesting ways in which Oda could present it as an optimal choice for Fujitora:
! - It's as simple as it will be an interesting and slight subversion of the Smoker-Crocodile situation.
- It would also make things change and move fast, as it is in the interest of Oda and also been named by lots of characters such as Law, BB, DD and Bellamy (the 'tide' thing), WB final words, etc. It would also avoid repetion in a future war or clash of forces, as we already saw lots of focus on the 7 pirates working for the marines during MF. It would also avoid the same arc-structure of Mugiwaras VS Warlord. Crocodile and Moria have already restarted their journey of romance (and Jinbei too), so there's precedence. And their solo-voyage could mean they could ally with anyone in future clashes (even the marines themselves, why not?), and more players to compete or cooperate with in order to take down the Yonkou, cointinuing with the feeling of a race started with the Supernova. In essence, it would bring chaos between pirates, which means an opportunity for implanting "TRUE JUSTICE".
- Not being done by the marines gives extra credit to the "we can't control them" point.
- Could say Luffy revoked being the new one, as a way to say "not even he who takes of the bad ones can be trusted -> so no one can be trusted anymore".
- Being done by a pirate could be explained in a way that Luffy doesn't become a hero, but another major thread. I don't know, maybe just by saying Dressrosa + FI are now his territory and he is starting to conquer islands like a yonkou. Or maybe charging blame against Revolutionaries through Dragon-Luffy (+Robin) relationship.
- We don't even know if Fujitora wants to arrest Luffy afterwards! Or, as it has been said, he may be simply following the flow of 'democracy' or 'what people want', which is a theme of justice yet to be seen in an admiral.
! For now, his gamble can be read as plainly stupid (why doesn't he himself crush DD and mark a victory on the Marine's side? I can only come up with a plausible reason in Dofla's statement "they don't know how to deal with me"), but there's planty of ways in which Oda can still justify his actions. But, for now, I think you just have to cope with the fact that, except for your beloved Akainu, all admirals are carefree and unpredictable -at least until their leitmotiv are clearly exposed, afterwards of their actions. Aokiji letting her go (:ninja:) in W7, Kizaru not arresting any Supernova in SA, Kizaru not non-stop killing people during the war… You can call it Oda's inconsistence, and it is true to a certain degree (Supernovas and Mugiwaras have indeed and impenetrable plot-armor), but it seems to me it is more likely that these characters are also being presented to be inconsistent, unpredictable and carefree themselves, just like Garp or many other top-tiers.
! Bonus Track: if you want Fujitora to realize he made the wrong choice... well, there's plenty enough time for Luffy to grow to be a top-class thread for them because of the events of this saga (and more to come), thus making it a wrong call.
And I am interested: why does he have to realize this mistake, instead of becoming a Luffy-fan as many others have done and will do? Is it for his bromance with Akainu? (Not that I'd want him as a fanboy, just implying that there's not much basis to tell if Fujitora will turn to Coby's, Smoker's and Aokiji's side or stay inside of Akainu's bandwagoon of the dark side).
I like your theory and argument.
It makes sense for Luffy to win this fight and I've been saying for a while, that he should win it now and not lose then try again later. It just doesn't make sense to me, that when all faith is put into him he will lose. What, he will be defeated, but Doffla won't finish him? Or Fuji will help him after trusting him, only to then stall, wait for Luffy to heal then let him fight again? Or maybe Fuji will fight Doffla? lol…
I also like all the blame being put on Luffy (maybe a bit on Law), so that he can gain even bigger (badder :P) reputation, even in New World. And He will get huge bounty increase alongside God Usopp which is always cool (bounty increase, but God Usopp too).
Im guessing Doffla will be deafeted, Fuji will capture him and let Luffy run. Or Fuji will "close his eyes" and go away with Doffla with excuse like "I don't see SH anywhere here, lets go". ;]
I'm just not sure about Shichibukai system being destroyed right now. I think it will be a start in that direction, but the fact there's new unnknown shichi makes it kinda weird, if he were to lose shichi status before even being introduced as shichi... Kinda same deal with Buggy. Unless it will be "ex-shichi is still kinda big deal".... thingy. Well it could be funny gag also, Buggy should be pissed when he loses his status.
I like 'democracy justice' idea :) "Justice of the crowd". Good explanation if Fuji will let Luffy go free. But that would piss Akainu... but he doesn't have to know i guess :P
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Well since he is a surgeon who can pick out bullets from his body without causing it any harm whatsoever, it wouldn't surprise me. On top of that, most likely having the ability to seal fleshwound. As a sidenote, I would like to point out that the ability to survive mortal injuries in One Piece is in no sense bound by any laws off logic. How somebody can be completely covered in fire without having the skin melt off, or at least have some really serious burns is the first question you should ask concerning the ability to take damage. Then you might as well create a checklist every time somebody survive injuries that would harm the person in a much more severe way than it did.
Damn, he's hax. He's fighter, mage and a healer!
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talking about luffy for revealing doffy. they not gonna praise him as pirate king after they know the truth about what he did.
I think the translation is a bit wonky, but It might be that they are just reffering to Doffla. Not as the "Pirate King", but pirate, who is king (of Dressrosa) :)
So are we expecting Doflamingo to get caught in Dressrosa, or escaping? I'll rather have him escape after the beat down.
he is telling Dressrosa's story so it makes sense.
Of course we aren't going anywhere if it's only the 2 of us arguing.
I would like someone else's guess on this matter
He says praise the pirate king. Why would they say that about doffy when they already know the truth about him it doesnt make sense. They are talking about luffy when they say that becuase his crew exposed flamingo
lol and this is with a wonky translation so I guess we should just leave it be.
He says praise the pirate king. Why would they say that about doffy when they already know the truth about him it doesnt make sense. They are talking about luffy when they say that becuase his crew exposed flamingo
They are talking about Dofla. He is a pirate who is also a king. So he's a pirate king, not the Pirate King.
They are talking about Dofla. He is a pirate who is also a king. So he's a pirate king, not the Pirate King.
ill wait for a translator becuase it doesnt make sense. Why are they saying praise him if they hate him? it doesnt make ant sense I still think they are talking about luffy.
He says praise the pirate king. Why would they say that about doffy when they already know the truth about him it doesnt make sense. They are talking about luffy when they say that becuase his crew exposed flamingo
lol and this is with a wonky translation so I guess we should just leave it be.
I think current sentance doesn't make much sense, and it was supposed to mean something like this: "Praise the pirate king? WHat a joke! After realising the truth (what Doffla did), we won't praise him!"
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So are we expecting Doflamingo to get caught in Dressrosa, or escaping? I'll rather have him escape after the beat down.
I think he might get captured by Fuji…. but I'd love scenario in which he realises he lost (maybe lying on the ground, making everyone believe he passed out) and then runs with rest of his strenght, only so that later we are shown him being owned under Kaido's feet.
ill wait for a translator becuase it doesnt make sense. Why are they saying praise him if they hate him? it doesnt make ant sense I still think they are talking about luffy.
Mangapanda/reader translation goes like this:
"Doflamingo got people to hate king Riku for 10 years just from a night of controling him… finally getting the title of "The Pirate King" (of Dressrosa, naturally)… Now that we've learnt the truth, all we really want is a way out of his "Game"."
This one is more correct in this case, I think.
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I think he might get captured by Fuji…. but I'd love scenario in which he realises he lost (maybe lying on the ground, making everyone believe he passed out) and then runs with rest of his strenght, only so that later we are shown him being owned under Kaido's feet.
Like Bellamy… Karma is a bitch.
Mangapanda/reader translation goes like this:
"Doflamingo got people to hate king Riku for 10 years just from a night of controling him… finally getting the title of "The Pirate King" (of Dressrosa, naturally)… Now that we've learnt the truth, all we really want is a way out of his "Game"."
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Like Bellamy... Karma is a bitch.
Haha yeah. I thought about Bellamy when i was writing that, but in bad sense as repetition of story. But now that I think about it, it sounds cool. And it would be nice way to hype Kaido. I know it might be a bit overplayed in mangas/animes, but I'd like it.
Mangapanda/reader translation goes like this:
"Doflamingo got people to hate king Riku for 10 years just from a night of controling him… finally getting the title of "The Pirate King" (of Dressrosa, naturally)… Now that we've learnt the truth, all we really want is a way out of his "Game"."
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Like Bellamy... Karma is a bitch.[/QUOTE
thank you that makes much more sense. mangastream fell off
Kanjuro and Kin'emon are on their 100%, why aren't helping the gadiators? Those lazy bastards, Bellamy and Becca should switch places with the samurais, they're not helping anyway.
I think he might get captured by Fuji…. but I'd love scenario in which he realises he lost (maybe lying on the ground, making everyone believe he passed out) and then runs with rest of his strenght, only so that later we are shown him being owned under Kaido's feet.
Alternately, he escapes only to be caught under the vengeful boot of Moria. That would be a nice twist too, considering what happened after the Summit War.
What bothers me with Kaido barging in is that if Big Mom's behaviour is any clue of the Yonkous' way of settling a score, chances are that he would burn the whole island to the ground (even if 'mingo isn't its king anymore) rather than simply be content with taking Doflamingo's head.
Alternately, he escapes only to be caught under the vengeful boot of Moria. That would be a nice twist too, considering what happened after the Summit War.
What bothers me with Kaido barging in is that if Big Mom's behaviour is any clue of the Yonkous' way of settling a score, chances are that he would burn the whole island to the ground (even if 'mingo isn't its king anymore) rather than simply be content with taking Doflamingo's head.
Haha Moria's boot. Good joke :) Unless you believe Moria got in shape and got few times stronger after TS. Because he was nowhere near Flamingo's strenght pre-ts.
We don't know if Kaido is anywhere close to BM with his behaviour. Also Fishmen Island was under BM's terriotry, and he's only dealing buisness with Flamingo who is currently a King of Dressrosa. It's not part of his turf. So he might be vengful and want to destroy former Flamingo's country, but there's reasons he might only go after Mingo's head.
Or he will say he wants to destroy it but will be unable to because of Luffy :P
Kanjuro and Kin'emon are on their 100%, why aren't helping the gadiators? Those lazy bastards, Bellamy and Becca should switch places with the samurais, they're not helping anyway.
That is the point, barring those currently in set fights there's an awful lot of powerful characters standing around doing nothing. In no other arc have characters on the Straw Hat side just sat by. Even the Boshi brothers were taken out before Luffy faced Hody.
Maybe this is going to be a new thing but Dofla being such a big villain it's unlikely things are going to be finishwd until everyone is exhausted.
^^Moria joining the SH alliance in their attempt to defeat Kaido would be nice too.
@Monquito:
Kanjuro and Kin'emon are on their 100%, why aren't helping the gadiators? Those lazy bastards, Bellamy and Becca should switch places with the samurais, they're not helping anyway.
Yeah, Sabo is free as well, but I don't think he'll do anything more at this point, except for maybe putting Burgess to rest.
Yeah, Sabo is free as well, but I don't think he'll do anything more at this point, except for maybe putting Burgess to rest.
I'm still in the pot for Burgess stealing the DF of someone defeated, by capturing him with K-Cuffs
Kanjuro and Kin'emon are on their 100%, why aren't helping the gadiators? Those lazy bastards, Bellamy and Becca should switch places with the samurais, they're not helping anyway.
Not really, Kin'emon got sliced by Doflamingo and Kanjuro has only been eating drawn cabbage for days.
ill wait for a translator becuase it doesnt make sense. Why are they saying praise him if they hate him? it doesnt make ant sense I still think they are talking about luffy.
pirate king - pirate who is also a king
king of the pirates - king of all those who sail the seas pirating
maybe its me but that's i understood it. can anyone tell me if luffy has ever said "i want to be pirate king" cause im pretty sure he always states that hes the man who will become the king of the pirates.
@Monkey:
pirate king - pirate who is also a king
king of the pirates - king of all those who sail the seas piratingmaybe its me but that's i understood it. can anyone tell me if luffy has ever said "i want to be pirate king" cause im pretty sure he always states that hes the man who will become the king of the pirates.
You know, I already showed him alternate translation which makes more sense, and he agrees.
Alternately, he escapes only to be caught under the vengeful boot of Moria. That would be a nice twist too, considering what happened after the Summit War.
What bothers me with Kaido barging in is that if Big Mom's behaviour is any clue of the Yonkous' way of settling a score, chances are that he would burn the whole island to the ground (even if 'mingo isn't its king anymore) rather than simply be content with taking Doflamingo's head.
Big Mom has a business with the country. Kaido has a business with Doflamingo.
A true sadist would look defeated off-panel and then have Luffy smiling and waving at the crowd …Because he was puppeteered into doing so.
Then just when everyone was cheering him and thinking they were saved he'd start Birdcage shrinking ( and maybe spinning. I really want to see Birdcage start spinning).
A spinning, bird cage orb surrounding Luffy would seem to be pretty lethal.
Haha Moria's boot. Good joke :) Unless you believe Moria got in shape and got few times stronger after TS. Because he was nowhere near Flamingo's strenght pre-ts.
Agreed, but then we can expect Doflamingo to not be at his best after Luffy & co are done with him - which would create an opening for Moria and his croonies to show and gang up on him.
Not that I think it very likely anyway, but I would definitely enjoy seeing 'mingo reap what he sowed.
Big Mom has a business with the country. Kaido has a business with Doflamingo.
Right. And wanting to burn the country over a delayed delivery of sweets was perfectly rational, so we can expect a similarly measured behaviour from Kaido… No collateral or anything :ninja:
Anyway, it's been Law's plan to make 'mingo battle Kaido since the very beginning, so I do agree that his appearance (or his lieutenants) is very likely after the dust of the current battle will have settled.
Haha Moria's boot. Good joke :) Unless you believe Moria got in shape and got few times stronger after TS. Because he was nowhere near Flamingo's strenght pre-ts.
That would actually be very entertaining to me. A ripped Moria with new skills comes back to prove that he's a badass. I'd enjoy that.
@Law:
A spinning, bird cage orb surrounding Luffy would seem to be pretty lethal.
Not around Luffy, the one around the island itself.
Again, this isn't accusing Oda of anything, but in almost every arc so far there has been a huge threat to everyone alive on the island with a countdown running down. A shrinking (maybe spinning) cage of razor sharp threads seems a classic. And Luffy seeing the doom and being unable to help while they think they're saved seems truly sadistic & worthy of a magnificent bastard like Dofla.
Not around Luffy, the one around the island itself.
Again, this isn't accusing Oda of anything, but in almost every arc so far there has been a huge threat to everyone alive on the island with a countdown running down. A shrinking (maybe spinning) cage of razor sharp threads seems a classic. And Luffy seeing the doom and being unable to help while they think they're saved seems truly sadistic & worthy of a magnificent bastard like Dofla.
Yeah man, I was just adding my own spin on things. What you're suggesting does sound pretty unique, interesting, and ruthless.
Right. And wanting to burn the country over a delayed delivery of sweets was perfectly rational, so we can expect a similarly measured behaviour from Kaido… No collateral or anything :ninja:
Anyway, it's been Law's plan to make 'mingo battle Kaido since the very beginning, so I do agree that his appearance (or his lieutenants) is very likely after the dust of the current battle will have settled.
It's business. She provides protection they provide sweets. They fail to provide sweets she retaliate.
Agreed, but then we can expect Doflamingo to not be at his best after Luffy & co are done with him - which would create an opening for Moria and his croonies to show and gang up on him.
Not that I think it very likely anyway, but I would definitely enjoy seeing 'mingo reap what he sowed.Right. And wanting to burn the country over a delayed delivery of sweets was perfectly rational, so we can expect a similarly measured behaviour from Kaido… No collateral or anything :ninja:
Anyway, it's been Law's plan to make 'mingo battle Kaido since the very beginning, so I do agree that his appearance (or his lieutenants) is very likely after the dust of the current battle will have settled.
Yeah sure. Moria might be around with invisible reporter of his, so it wouldn't be that farfetched if they ganged up on fleeing Doffla. Especially since Moria got a grudge against him. That would be nice revenge ;]
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@Law:
That would actually be very entertaining to me. A ripped Moria with new skills comes back to prove that he's a badass. I'd enjoy that.
Yeah :) Me2
We're gonna see the new badass Moria soon enough when it's time to take down Kaidou. :happy:
@Light:
We're gonna see the new badass Moria soon enough when it's time to take down Kaidou. :happy:
The Kaidou storyline is maybe a long time away andthere already seems to be a lot of caracters locked in; the Straw Hats (maybe with Jinbe by then), Law & his crew, Moriah and his (maybe with Perona back) and the quartet from Wano. In opposition we have Kaido, a huge number of SAD beastmen, Drake X and maybe Caribou. At least.
If Kaidou gets to Dressrosa … fuck plans. It's time to run.
Same case with Big Mom and she is too, a major wildcard.
Well I actually could se Kaidou or Big Mom appearing there at the end of the arc… But not both. And well if someone is needed for the rescue... I still believe in Dragon showing up at the end of this arc as well.
He finally has to enter the ring... Even more if he probably knows that Luffy is there <3 Please Oda...
@MJR.:
If Kaidou gets to Dressrosa … fuck plans. It's time to run.
Same case with Big Mom and she is too, a major wildcard.
It would be a little too much if one half of the Strawhats have to deal with Kaidou while the other half have to deal with Big Mom. I really hope they just reuinte with the rest of the crew on Zou as soon as this whole Dressrosa mess is handled. And it would be pretty fucking AWESOME if Kid, Scratchmen and Hawkins showed up and caused a major scene.
On a related note, since we're talking about Schichibukai and their relation with the emperors, who do you think Crocodile aims to take down? I mean Crocodile would probably not kneel to a Yonkou even out of pragmatism, if his goal was to backstab them. As it seems, the most likely scenario for Crocodile is that he is doing his shady, underground gangsta shit to raise a new Baroque works in the new world. But the question is, who would he want to take down? There could be some motivation behind going after Blackbeard, since he denied Crocodile his revenge. However, if he aims for Kaidou or Big Mom, he could very well be engaged in the story relatively soon.
On a related note, since we're talking about Schichibukai and their relation with the emperors, who do you think Crocodile aims to take down? I mean Crocodile would probably not kneel to a Yonkou even out of pragmatism, if his goal was to backstab them. As it seems, the most likely scenario for Crocodile is that he is doing his shady, underground gangsta shit to raise a new Baroque works in the new world. But the question is, who would he want to take down? There could be some motivation behind going after Blackbeard, since he denied Crocodile his revenge. However, if he aims for Kaidou or Big Mom, he could very well be engaged in the story relatively soon.
It doesn't seem like Crocodile is aiming to take anyone down. He only seemed to have a problem with Whitebeard.
Big Mom shows up and eats the Bird Cage? :ninja:
I still believe in Dragon showing up at the end of this arc as well.
He finally has to enter the ring… Even more if he probably knows that Luffy is there <3 Please Oda...
Yes, that would be great… it's the perfect time with Sabo, Koala, Robin, and Luffy all in one place.