Holding back super secret moves is just one of those unwritten rules of Shonen Manga tbh.
Considering the amount of actual on-screen fighting we've seen from him, I don't think it's that big an issue.
Also we could consider the fact that he only broke out this super move when he was enraged at Lao G for taking down his Gramps.
He wasn't holding it back.
He got it because plot demanded it with no explanation for it what so ever.
Side characters don't need internal consistency. Got it.
Not sure if this was clarified yet, but what will be the chapter schedule for the next weeks.
I think it's something like break - chapter - break, or something like that. In the past I seem to recall there've been some "chapter -break-break" instead of "break-chapter-break", but I don't know.
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The country of love and passion.
Really enjoyed the Chapter ..Sai was awesome ..finally he was able to reach the levels Chinjao wanted and got the signature move passed ..pretty cool imo (he himself was surprised lol).
And Chinjao was all along ignoring Lao G lol and he was taken off guard. "Don Sai" turned out to be good.
Somewhere a certain shipping group is killing themselves.
I'm thinking that the leader of the Nihou Navy is Lola's mother. 
Well Chinjao did enough job explaining the Sai's powerup ..well people might have missed it ..here is the link http://imgur.com/7Q02azX
Somewhere a certain shipping group is killing themselves.
Baby 5 x Chinjao. Great pairing or best pairing?
I wonder if Oda is gonna show us how's the situation with BellaLoser, Luffy, Doffy,Historical reference guy who lost his arm and Trébol-sama, or if it's just gonna make all of them get defeated and finally completly focus on Luffy vs Doffy, oh and LittleCherry too.
Why is Bepo so sad in the poll results?
Hey, I think that Sai managed to unlock that final technique for Baby 5's sake. Its like the subconscious thing characters unlock unexpectedly with such scenarios. As convenient as it is looks like, I think Sai is already strong enough but he lacks resolve or motivation to unlock the technique. That kind of thing. But really, you guys do really get all worked up with this.
Its not like Sai leveled up then a pop up appeared and asked him if he want to learn such technique though. lol :ninja:
He wasn't holding it back.
He got it because plot demanded it with no explanation for it what so ever.
Side characters don't need internal consistency. Got it.
I've already explained how it's still pretty consistent with what we've seen from Sai in battle, since it's been minimal.
Sai took out the Funk Bros. with ease, and then had a short scrapping match with Ideo.
These incidents with Chinjao and Lao G are the first time that we've really seen Sai go out, and it makes sense that that's the case.
He knew he could take out The Funk Bros. pretty easily and did with a fairly strong attack.
He was still essentially sparring with Ideo, and perhaps conserving his energy for the rest of Block C when they were both taken out from behind/the side.
When he's countering Chinjao's attack, he knows how strong his grandfather is and that he can't hold back at all.
When he attacks Lao G he's furious because Lao just took out his grandfather, and Lao is running is running at him, totally powered up. So he unleashes his full strength.
This really isn't anywhere as near as bad as you're making out.
He wasn't holding it back.
He got it because plot demanded it with no explanation for it what so ever.
Side characters don't need internal consistency. Got it.
Main characters sometimes gets powerups randomly as well if plot demands. Like it's been happening all over 1st half of Grand Line with strawhats. Getting beaten up, the standing up and going against same opponents and beating them. If anything then it's a form of consistency in OP manga, heh.
Anyway I think it's very good for Oda to give different dynamics and even randoms tuff like Sai actually deciding to marry her. If it was just about list of fights about who's stronger then it would be just standard repetitive and boring fighting manga. Adding different flavors and dynamics is what makes a story fun to read.
Let people be happy about very good chapter and save your further complains for 2 weeks break please.
i agree with you on the chapter being good, but this is really stupid.
him stating valid criticism won't make you dislike the chapter more, if it did then you've a rather weak personality to be influenced by what others say so easliy.
You need worded wake up slap or you will be continuing to spread criticizing of same sort.
i don't get this sentence, are you saying to him that he needs to get slapped so he could shut up and stop stating his opinion?
This is by far the best post in the thread. I actually think it's good enough to warrant closing the whole thread as this pretty much covers everything important about this chapter.
@sabinis:
Seems like strongest fighters should surely be able to get it but I dont think that location of Chinjaos treasure on frozen continent is so well known like its everybodys thing to know.
Chinjao said this chapter that Sais training brought up fruit- I get that cracking attack as something like Luccis Rokuougun - final technique that you can use after mastering all other skills of a style.
It was not about CoA hardening but about skill to concentrate vibrations in one line most likely as Chinjaos family style seemed to be all about unblockable vibrations - a bit like fishman karate and its shock going through water that cant be blocked + matrial arts mastery. Luccis Rokuougun also looked to be unblockable when it connects. Something that masters of styles can do as it seems.So as result of this weeks exchange Sai "unlocked" new move during fight and now can use it to crack open way to Santa/Wizard Chinjaos treasure.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
It looks like Sai split the whole Plaza with the kick he gave Lao G. Check out the top left panel on the last page.
damn, you're right, didnt even notice that, that was one hell of a kick
can sai be the new sanji?
Nope, Sai just napped himself a wife without trying while Sanji can't get a gal for a simple date :ninja:
Thought he finally did with Viola, but nope, same old bad luck there
well this is epic :D
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I like how there were two women in this entire arc (note: actualy good looking women) that would've gone for Sanji buuut…Nope Oda's plot sword castrated him again. Oda is such a tease.
Elizabello. Chinjao. Sai.
BEST CHAPTER EVER.
I laughed.
I also find it funny how relatively high Lucci is.
Noooo.. Baby 5 has to be with Law.
I really like chapters like this one. I'm already looking forward to Dellinger's chapter. It makes me kinda sad that we aren't going to see my boy Suleiman fighting one of Doffy's henchmen…
So… could Niho navy be referring to a navy of Wano? That sort of political marriage, between the navy of two opposite countries? Nihon does mean "Japan" after all.
Noooo.. Baby 5 has to be with Law.
Sorry but I see Law in the same boat as Luffy & Zoro - not interested in romance,
In fact I see Law same as Zoro, too focused on a goal and would view romance as a distraction.
Mind you, I wouldn't mind Law5. It'll still be a crack pairing I'll like, even though I love the (seemingly) OTP of Sai5
I really like chapters like this one. I'm already looking forward to Dellinger's chapter. It makes me kinda sad that we aren't going to see my boy Suleiman fighting one of Doffy's henchmen…
He already did. And unfortunately lost horribly.
The fact that it is not as terrible as that means nothing.
Here we have a woman that has been abused to the point that she enjoys being objectivied, to the point of being willing to commit suicide at whim of first man around.
How is her situation resolved? Does she have a realisation that she indeed posseses her own value, and not only as tool for others? Nope. She needs the decision to be made for her.
It would be just as bad if their respective genders were reversed. Though in context of Oda treatment of his female characters does not look any better, to be honest.
I don't even care much about those issues, but still find it annoying nonetheless.
You do realize this arc is not over yet right, thus Baby 5's character is far from resolved? Sorry, I could find no way to say that without seeming like a smart ass. We're definitely going to get more with her considering we got a mini-tragic flashback for her and that's kind of unprecedented. It also seems like Sai's goal is to help her. Because she needs a lot of help.
However, when she's on the verge of killing herself, I'm totally fine with some sense literally being knocked into her.
Also, I take serious issue with you claiming she's okay with being objectified. No where have we seen such an idea. Baby 5 just has the overwhelming desire to be needed and wanted and she handles rejection horrifically (making the running gag between her and Law sad instead of funny.
Really? Okay then. Name one other moment in One Piece when someone got boost to his/hers physical abilities in the middle of the match.
And Haki doesn't count.
Leave out the biggest thing that can contradict your argument. Okay. But I have to ask, then does this Sai "power-up" not count, because he's definitely using haki, and we hadn't seen him use it before, as far as I can recall?
Zoro vs Mr. 1. (Cutting steel. In fact the whole fight was about him getting that power-up.)
Zoro vs Kaku (Asura)
Sanji vs Jabra (Diable Jambe [sp?]_
Luffy vs Blueno (discoutning the gear second power up, which, sure, he worked on, but he admitted to figuring out Soru in the middle of the fight and then replicated it.)
Chopper vs that one guy with the crazy hair. (Monster Chopper.)
Pretty much every fight in the series ends with some big new finishing move we haven't seen before. I mean, Red Hawk man, perhaps the most WTF thing ever because it literally makes no sense in how it works.
You would not take an issue with me critising it if that was the case.
No, but I think a lot of what people take issue with is that it seems that all you do is "criticize." You tend to whine about what bothers you and then completely ignore people with circular logic and assumptions, which gets kind of infuriating. and that is, to put it bluntly, bad criticism. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I reply to people who seem to be upset with aspects of a chapter (or even the whole thing) I'm not responding to be an ass; I want to help people enjoy something they like better so I offer my view and readings of things, which is still criticism mind you, because it can be positive.
He wasn't holding it back.
He got it because plot demanded it with no explanation for it what so ever.
Side characters don't need internal consistency. Got it.
Here is an example. How do you know he wasn't holding back? I don't recall him saying anything like "I gave it my all." You're not happy with Sai's "random power-up" this chapter so you're creating assumptions and circling your logic back around when it seems to me Robzilla is legitimately trying to modify your viewpoint so you could enjoy this chapter more and be in less of a conundrum. But you are staunch in beliefs already so nothing he can say can sway you.
And, for the record, Sai wasn't in the tournament to win, he was there to assist Don Chinjao, therefore he had no reason to go all out, as he was fine. By the time he needed to he was being blindsided by a Jet Stamp. King Cannon very nicely informed me that I had this completely backwards. >.<
And, looking at his status during this chapter, he seems to be one of the only fighters who hasn't had it a little rough, as he's barely broken a sweat, whereas Harjudin (sp?) and Don Chinjao are now both down for the count.
You need to remember that he is the leader of an entire country's navy. He's going to be powerful. If not, that doesn't make for a very strong country does it? Chinjao on the otherhand is an old man whose better days are behind him and is still injured from his fight with Luffy.
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So… could Niho navy be referring to a navy of Wano? That sort of political marriage, between the navy of two opposite countries? Nihon does mean "Japan" after all.
Probably not, as I'd have to guess that Niho would be the name of the kingdom, no?
@Nex:
And, for the record, Sai wasn't in the tournament to win, he was there to assist Don Chinjao, therefore he had no reason to go all out, as he was fine.
It was the opposite actually. They all agreed to have Sai win so he could get the Mera Mera.
It was the opposite actually. They all agreed to have Sai win so he could get the Mera Mera.
Agh. I'm getting old. And I just reread the whole thing a month ago. I think it gives even more credence to the idea of him not giving it his all then, as he would have to have something to take his opponents by surprise with in the later rounds. (Makes more sense than my original statement… I was stretching on that one 
.)
@Alec:
Not a very good chapter
Of course it was not bad but i feel that oda just wants to make this ark 100 chapter no matter what… He will probably do all the executives fights before going back to Dof and maybe he will even finish Sanji's fight before that
I wish to disagree.
The beauty of One Piece is in the story, and how it will all be connected.
After following the manga for 15 years we all learn that it is not about how good latest/new chapter is but it is about where the story is going. And that is what made One Piece great!
What you feel about each chapter is sometimes not important, because when they are linked together it becomes great!!!!
It will be when we reread the entire arc then you will realize that Oda is very good at piecing his chapters together into 'one piece'.
This arc is on another level entirely. I am enjoying each wacky development as they come.
Hope you will learn to enjoy reading the story instead of hoping that it turn into Bleach or Fairy Tail.
人生不过三万天，成功失败均坦然，
是非恩怨莫在意，健康快乐最值钱.
The thing is that the lose of Mach Vice, Lao G, Baby 5, next Dellinger and the words of Zoro saying to Elizabello to save his attack makes me think that someone stronger will appear, maybe CP0 will help Doflamingo.
I wish to disagree.
The beauty of One Piece is in the story, and how it will all be connected.
After following the manga for 15 years we all learn that it is not about how good latest/new chapter is but it is about where the story is going. And that is what made One Piece great!
What you feel about each chapter is sometimes not important, because when they are linked together it becomes great!!!!It will be when we reread the entire arc then you will realize that Oda is very good at piecing his chapters together into 'one piece'.
This arc is on another level entirely. I am enjoying each wacky development as they come.Hope you will learn to enjoy reading the story instead of hoping that it turn into Bleach or Fairy Tail.
Wouldn't say it's on another level, really. And obvious issues don't just vanish when you read the arc in one sitting.
Btw, how do you know he's hoping OP will turn more into Bleach and FT?
@superv:
i agree with you on the chapter being good, but this is really stupid.
him stating valid criticism won't make you dislike the chapter more, if it did then you've a rather weak personality to be influenced by what others say so easliy.i don't get this sentence, are you saying to him that he needs to get slapped so he could shut up and stop stating his opinion?
Its not about me being affected but more being tired of reading/ seeing same old thing with good or great chapter not living up to all expectations from Darth.
I admit that its partially fault of my approach but I do feel like I am going to grandpa and grandma and I am gonna get feed to so much that it will make me close to death and then I am going to hear same story that I heard last time I visited them again. Same feeling here for me when I see good chapter of shonen manga that manages to entertain for like almost 800 chapters being downgraded/ criticized.
I wrote he needs somebody to shake him up because if he will keep expecting things he wont get from One Piece his experience will be far worse than it would be if he would just start to see OP for what it is with its limitations and faults that come out of many aspects that many shonen mangas share. There is plenty of other mangas that do some things better than One Piece but at same time no other manga delivers so much constant quality content that is absolutely genious in its own ways at times.
This chapter is so funny, Sanji should learn how to conquer a girl's heart from Sai.
Is this the last chapter of the year?
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it kinda bothers me that people are starting to use hardening now of all times when they had many reasons to use it before in previous fights which they didn't .. i know a time will come "after not too long i hope" when people will start asking questions like why didn't sanji use hardening against vergo let alone against doflamingo when the situation was most dire
The thing is that the lose of Mach Vice, Lao G, Baby 5, next Dellinger and the words of Zoro saying to Elizabello to save his attack makes me think that someone stronger will appear, maybe CP0 will help Doflamingo.
No. Viola herself said the fights are on their last legs.
After this chapter I realize that baby 5 has the perfect devil fruit for her character. She is just an object to be used at the whims of others, whenever necessary.
The last two chapters have had a nice one piece feel. Still get nice fights that will get anime filler and the Quixote family has the interesting personality that's been set up since they were all introduced. I hope Oda keeps up the short back stories with his future villians.
Wouldn't say it's on another level, really. And obvious issues don't just vanish when you read the arc in one sitting.
As someone who has been reading weekly for 13 years, a lot of things I thought where "obvious issues" (specifically in regards to pacing or character moments) really do vanish when read straight through, which is why the transition to reading OP weekly can be so difficult when someone first catches up, because it sees like a lot of things aren't as good as they should be. Oda really does write for the volumes.
Now of course if you have issues with theme or the art or things of a rigid plot-related nature, then those don't smooth over so easily, but it's surprising how much the lows are elevated when you have the entire story to work with. After all, we don't judge a novel by its individual chapters, do we?
You would not take an issue with me critising it if that was the case.
I get that you might have gotten offended by being criticized but no need on trying to put a label of "blind fanboy" on me as you seem to suggest that I might be one.
A) Stop pulling made up numbers to justify your argument.
B) "Should be taken for what it is" is an offense to the very idea of critisism.
A) Sorry for not being accurate but I do think that you get my point 
B) "Everybody is a genious. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid" You seem to have problems with Oda choices when it comes to storytelling formula like you really expect some things to be written/ resolved like in seinen/ other shonen manga and put into One Piece. It doesnt happen and you name problems with chapters that come out either of character/ soul/ the heart lol of One Piece. Criticizm is not complaining. Some issues you named in this chapter like Sais move for example can be explained with reason, you criticize concept you fully understand not idea that you didnt thought through.
In my opinion, here I might be wrong from your perspective as I admit that I am not as good in naming issues as you seem to be.
Good for you. I'm glad you've had a pleasant experience.
Though it is slightly tireing that you get to enjoy that opinion of yours being unquestioned.
Too bad for you. I cant help it I guess.
You wrote quote "you dont get Odas vision at all. " end quote. And yes. Arguing that there exists some unified "vision" that's the only possible of interpretating a work of art is childish at best.
Might be childish might be not, its my take on understanding how I should experience some mangas and it makes enjoy chapters more then if I would choose to concentrate on naming faults(It would not be very hard). Dont be jelly.
I wish to disagree.
**The beauty of One Piece is in the story, and how it will all be connected.
After following the manga for 15 years we all learn that it is not about how good latest/new chapter is but it is about where the story is going. And that is what made One Piece great!
What you feel about each chapter is sometimes not important, because when they are linked together it becomes great!!!!It will be when we reread the entire arc then you will realize that Oda is very good at piecing his chapters together into 'one piece'.
This arc is on another level entirely. I am enjoying each wacky development as they come.**Hope you will learn to enjoy reading the story instead of hoping that it turn into Bleach or Fairy Tail.
im totally agree on this.
@Nex:
You do realize this arc is not over yet right, thus Baby 5's character is far from resolved? Sorry, I could find no way to say that without seeming like a smart ass. We're definitely going to get more with her considering we got a mini-tragic flashback for her and that's kind of unprecedented. It also seems like Sai's goal is to help her. Because she needs a lot of help.
However, when she's on the verge of killing herself, I'm totally fine with some sense literally being knocked into her.
Also, I take serious issue with you claiming she's okay with being objectified. No where have we seen such an idea. Baby 5 just has the overwhelming desire to be needed and wanted and she handles rejection horrifically (making the running gag between her and Law sad instead of funny.
Leave out the biggest thing that can contradict your argument. Okay. But I have to ask, then does this Sai "power-up" not count, because he's definitely using haki, and we hadn't seen him use it before, as far as I can recall?
Zoro vs Mr. 1. (Cutting steel. In fact the whole fight was about him getting that power-up.)
Zoro vs Kaku (Asura)
Sanji vs Jabra (Diable Jambe [sp?]_
Luffy vs Blueno (discoutning the gear second power up, which, sure, he worked on, but he admitted to figuring out Soru in the middle of the fight and then replicated it.)
Chopper vs that one guy with the crazy hair. (Monster Chopper.)Pretty much every fight in the series ends with some big new finishing move we haven't seen before. I mean, Red Hawk man, perhaps the most WTF thing ever because it literally makes no sense in how it works.
No, but I think a lot of what people take issue with is that it seems that all you do is "criticize." You tend to whine about what bothers you and then completely ignore people with circular logic and assumptions, which gets kind of infuriating. and that is, to put it bluntly, bad criticism. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I reply to people who seem to be upset with aspects of a chapter (or even the whole thing) I'm not responding to be an ass; I want to help people enjoy something they like better so I offer my view and readings of things, which is still criticism mind you, because it can be positive.
Here is an example. How do you know he wasn't holding back? I don't recall him saying anything like "I gave it my all." You're not happy with Sai's "random power-up" this chapter so you're creating assumptions and circling your logic back around when it seems to me Robzilla is legitimately trying to modify your viewpoint so you could enjoy this chapter more and be in less of a conundrum. But you are staunch in beliefs already so nothing he can say can sway you.
And, for the record, Sai wasn't in the tournament to win, he was there to assist Don Chinjao, therefore he had no reason to go all out, as he was fine. By the time he needed to he was being blindsided by a Jet Stamp.King Cannon very nicely informed me that I had this completely backwards. >.<And, looking at his status during this chapter, he seems to be one of the only fighters who hasn't had it a little rough, as he's barely broken a sweat, whereas Harjudin (sp?) and Don Chinjao are now both down for the count.
You need to remember that he is the leader of an entire country's navy. He's going to be powerful. If not, that doesn't make for a very strong country does it? Chinjao on the otherhand is an old man whose better days are behind him and is still injured from his fight with Luffy.
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Probably not, as I'd have to guess that Niho would be the name of the kingdom, no?
How come? It's not like "Happou" is the name of Chinjao's kingdome.
@Aru:
Holy fuck, I want a spin-off manga about Sai and Baby 5. The guy's badass, wrecked the crap out of both old guys, Sanji wishes he'd be half as good at kicking crap out of people.
…. SANJI is Luffy's Crewmate! And he's part of the KING OF PIRATES SHIP. Give him some time and come see him Breakin' the redline in half with his black leg
I can already see them standing there at the final war of One Piece as Luffy's supporting troops, Sai and his wife Baby 5, leading the Happou Navy. That would be an awesome sight indeed :P
