So I'm guessing Urahara got material for those pills from Grimmjow…
Naruto and Bleach IV- Sexy time
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Easy enough to explain:
Ichigo is magic ==> Ichigo has a Mother ==> His mother is his mother so, much like him, she is magic.
You have to believe in magic or it just doesn't work. _Kubo just wants you to believe in the magic.
And on a naruto related note: Can anyone expain to me why Jiraya forced Naruto down the same path as Obito? For the life of me (like most of naruto) i can't remember._
by Dying! Jiraya like Rin died, and was important to Naruto(Rin to Obito)! Other than this it doesn't make any sense. The worse is that the normal thing to do when some important people die, isn't trying to destroy the world. So, Obito doesn't understand common sense.
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Obito doesn't understand common sense.
That was confiermed when he revealed that his big bad plan was to pull everyone into a dream woth him because his crush died.
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Ichigo has an inner hollow and has even become a hollow/human hybrid. Ichigo is half quincy. Lol.
I'm sure we'll get some crazy scientific explanation later on.
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Oh right, "samurai" were in this "war" too. Forgot.
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how many times have we seen this cycle in the last 50 chapters
Naruto powers up, people talk about how strong and great Naruto is, new ten tails transformation, everyone becomes unmotivated, Naruto loses power, tobi says everything is meaningless to Naruto, Naruto gives a "it's my Ninja way" speech, the moral goes through the roof, a couple scenes of the ninja army doing stuff,
then repeat the process over and over again
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Has Naruto actually powered up? I feel like he's just using the same abilities he's always had prior to the war but just remembering he had them. Which more or less means Obito's not really improving either.
In other words, we've been playing a zero sum game this whole time.
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I just read a post with "Hollow antibodies"
Did I hallucinate this, or is it time I committed seppuku out of embarrassment for Kubo
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I just read a post with "Hollow antibodies"
Did I hallucinate this, or is it time I committed seppuku out of embarrassment for Kubo
Nope.
That's the reason Quincies hate hollows, apparently. Because they don't have said antibodies unlike shinigami (and I assume humans cause they aren't human anymore)
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Did anything actually happens this week. I read the chapters, but somehow nothing progressed plot wise in my mind.
Bleach was pretty much some kind of redpillbluepillmorpheus scene, and naruto…well...er...hmmm...shit I don't know. Probably a few more bits of fighting and dialogue that ended in the exact same position the precision chapter left off at.
Oh wait, orochimaru did something.
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@No:
Nope.
That's the reason Quincies hate hollows, apparently. Because they don't have said antibodies unlike shinigami (and I assume humans cause they aren't human anymore)
Bleach's jumping of the shark has officially itself jumped the shark
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The worse is that the normal thing to do when some important people die, isn't trying to destroy the world. So, Obito doesn't understand common sense.
You forgot an important factor: love cancer. Whenever an Uchiha loses someone important for him, he goes crazy and tries to destroy the world. So yes, for an Uchiha this is the norm. Blame it on genetics.
Or maybe this is what happens, when you've got your balls crushed by a giant boulder (Obito's sad past). :ninja: -
how many times have we seen this cycle in the last 50 chapters
Pretty much, it feels like groundhog day without any good aspects. Each chapter ends and starts in almost the same way every time, its one of the reasons i havent come by here in a while since its been so lackluster i cant even really give a damn enough to mention it up until now.
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Okay guys, can you guys discuss a little bit about what this guy wrote;
In the recent chapter of Bleach, Urahara tells us that the Arrancar's Resurreccion is almost the same as a Shinigami's Bankai, and we have seen - particularly with Vasto Lordes level Arrancar - that the power increase given by Resurreccion is equivalent to that of a Bankai in most cases.
By this logic, Urahara proposed that the Vandenreich could be able to steal an Arrancar's Resurreccion as easily as they are able to steal a Shinigami's Bankai. But there is also a couple questions this brings up: is it a retcon of the Arrancar's Resurrecion, and how would Medallions able to steal Bankai be able to do the same to Resurreccion?
! In the recent chapter of Bleach, Urahara tells us that the Arrancar's Resurreccion is almost the same as a Shinigami's Bankai, and we have seen - particularly with Vasto Lordes level Arrancar - that the power increase given by Resurreccion is equivalent to that of a Bankai in most cases.
! By this logic, Urahara proposed that the Vandenreich could be able to steal an Arrancar's Resurreccion as easily as they are able to steal a Shinigami's Bankai. But there is also a couple questions this brings up: is it a retcon of the Arrancar's Resurrecion, and how would Medallions able to steal Bankai be able to do the same to Resurreccion?
! I believe the answer rests with the Asauchi and the form of a Hollows. As we learnt recently, an Asauchi is made from laying multiple Shinigami souls on top of each other, the end result being blank beings with no individuality.
! A Menos Grande is formed from a similar process, only it occurs when Hollows begin to devour other Hollows, which causes their souls to merge with one another to create the mindless Gillian, which themselves are blank slates unless there is one Hollow whose ego/personality exceeds those making up the rest of the Menos. We saw an "alternate" method of creating a Menos with White, who could use a Menos' Cero but was made from multiple Shinigami souls.
! As we know, the Gillians who maintain individuality have the potential to become Adjuchas and eventually Menos Grandes, becoming distinct individuals, having progressed beyond the Gillian stage. Once a Hollow breaks their Masks to become Arrancars, they regain their Human forms - or as close to Human forms as they can get - and they store the nucleus of their Hollow powers in the Zanpakuto generated by the evolution into Arrancar.
! But more importantly is what happens when one Adjuchas devours even a small piece of another - the evolution of the Adjuchas who had part of their body devoured stops. We also know that an Arrancar who discards a part of their physical form in Resurrecion cannot restore themselves to their original state. This is the same as what happens when Bankai are damaged - a Bankai can never be restored to the way it was, and suffers from decreased power.
! The composition of a Menos' body is essentially the same as the Asauchi - multiple souls piled on top of one another - and sealing the nucleus of one's Hollow powers in a Zanpakuto represents the same thing as it does for a Shinigami's Zanpakuto. Just as a Bankai is the complete manifestation of a Shinigami's power, the Resurreccion is the manifestation of the Arrancar's true power.
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! But this is not the case with either Fullbringers or Quincy. In the case of Fullbringers, however, their method of manifesting powers functions very much like a Shinigami - they imprint the essence of their soul onto an object they are close to. In the case of Fullbringers, this can be any Human World object they have a close attachment to, and then manifest their powers by amplifying the power of the object's "soul" with their own.
! In the case of Quincy, they use the Quincy Cross to act as the focus of their reishi-gathering abilities in order to manifest a Spirit Weapon. As was explained early on, the Quincy and Shinigami are opposites of one another. A Shinigami channels their inner power through their Zanpakuto, "fighting with the power within", while Quincy absorb reishi and combine it with their power to create weapons, "fighting using outside powers".
! In other words, both of these subsets of Humans use their powers to manipulate certain spiritual energies - the "soul" of "objects" or the reishi in the atmosphere - in order to create weapons.
! This is in stark contrast to the spiritual beings of Shinigami and Arrancar, who possess weapons in the form of Zanpakuto - which are composed of multiple souls piled/mixed together - which represent the "essence" of the Shinigami or Arrancar's soul, and are "released" to display the individual's true power.
Which brings us to what Urahara mentioned in "Everything But the Rain". When discussing the method of saving Masaki, Urahara explained that Hollows are opposites of Humans, and Shinigami are opposites of Quincy. In essence, Urahara set up the relevance of harmony between these four soul types, and their relationships to one another.
! In the case of Hollows and Humans being opposites, this is best seen when looking at both Arrancar and Fullbringers. Both races are hybrid races created by their opposition. In the case of Arrancar, they are "Hollows" who regain their "Human" selves, resulting in their "Hollow" powers being sealed into a Zanpakuto. In the case of Fullbringers, they are "Humans" who were born with "Hollow reiryoku" mixed into their souls. Because they are opposites, this awakened a power that allows "Humans" to manipulate the "souls" in "matter".
! But things get messy if you attempt to mix Hollow powers in with the soul of a Shinigami and Quincy. Because they are spiritual beings - and likely because of the nature of the Zanpakuto being similar to Hollows - a Shinigami who gains Hollow powers is able to "Hollowfy", affording them an increase in power. Despite this, there still exists the risk of Shinigami losing control of themselves, becoming mindless monsters, and self-destructing via "soul suicide".
! But a Hollow's true anti-thesis is the Quincy. Both races, as we now know, exist in a mutual relationship of destruction. If a Hollow is killed by Quincy arrows, they are erased from existence, and if a Quincy's soul becomes contaminated with a Hollow's essence, their spiritual powers not only become "weakened", but they can also have their own souls destroyed by a Hollow's essence.
! Hence, the only soul able to balance out a "Hollow" and resist its "corruption/poison" is a "Human" soul. This makes sense, considering all "Human" souls can become "Hollows" if their Chain of Fate erodes away.
! It is different when you mix "Human" with "Shinigami" or "Quincy". The "Human" soul is neutral to both "Shinigami" and "Quincy", but with different effects. With a "Shinigami", they have a "Human" physical body, and must exit that body in order to assume their "Shinigami" form. It also seems that a "Shinigami" ages at the rate of a "Human" in such circumstances - as we saw with Isshin, who became a "Shinigami-Human" and physically aged twenty years as a result.
! With "Quincy", who are Humans with spiritual powers, a Pure-blood "Quincy" marrying a "Human" and having children produces a "Half-blood" Quincy. At this point, it is purely hypothesis, but it is a notion I have heard elsewhere and agree with - specifically Milareppa at OneManga, IIRC.
! While a Half-Blood "Quincy" might not have the same innate potential as a Pure-Blood, their "Human" sides might give them the "natural defenses/antibodies" to Hollows that Pure-Bloods lack. This is how we've seen Uryu be injured by Hollows numerous times, yet he has not been "poisoned" like we have just seen happen with Cang Du, and what happened with Masaki. So while they might be considered "inferior" to the Pure-Bloods, a Half-Blood is actually "superior" in the fact they have natural defenses against a Hollow's essence.
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In regards to "Shinigami" and "Quincy", we have not seen a clear end-result of that outside of two - potentially three - instances. In the first instance at the beginning of the series, just by touching Ichigo's Zanpakuto, Uryu's Kojaku, his Spirit Weapon, changed form and most likely would have produced an exponentially more powerful arrow than his normal self.
! For the second, we have Ichigo himself. He wields the powers of the Shinigami, but now that his Quincy powers have awakened and his true Zanpakuto revealed, we know three things: 1) Ichigo now possesses dual Zanpakuto, a trait only Kyoraku and Ukitake have displayed among the Shinigami, 2) Ichigo has a manifestation of Quincy powers in his Inner World, and 3) that manifestation can activate the Blut to protect Ichigo even when Ichigo himself is unaware he can use the ability.
! The third is how Ichigo and his sisters were safe from the Auswahlen. We know Uryu was also unaffected, but I'll get to that later. Because of their Quincy heritage, the Kurosaki siblings should have all been targeted by the Auswahlen, but Yhwach could touch none of them - he could only take Masaki's powers - so we know that a Shinigami-Quincy hybrid is immune to Yhwach's Auswahlen, essentially meaning they exist outside of his influence.
! As to what this means, Grand Fisher mentioned that Ichigo was a "Trueblood" upon learning his father was a Shinigami. But what is a "True Blood"? The terminology Kubo uses for that term is different from the "Pure Blood" and "Half-Blood" used to refer to the Quincy and their lineages.
! It could simply mean Ichigo has Shinigami heritage, but why would "True Blood" be used to refer to just anyone with a Shinigami heritage? I think that it is hinting at something in regards to Humans born with "Shinigami" powers. The possibility exists that the only way a "Human" can be born with "Shinigami" powers is if one of their parents was a Shinigami and the other a Quincy. As a result of these two opposing races existing in one being, the end result is a "True Blood" - an individual possessing both the power of "Shinigami" and "Quincy".
! In the end, it is all a matter of the balance between souls and their relationships to one another, which brings us to the last section of my post (hopefully) - the nature of Transcendence.
! "Transcendence" appears to be rooted in "transcending Shinigami and Hollow", and Hollowfication was Aizen's main research route in achieving that goal. However, "Hollowfication" is unstable, so creating a "stable" Visored requires a vaccine made from Quincy Arrows of Light and Human souls, with the vaccine's two parts balancing with the conflicting Shinigami and Hollow essences to stabilize the soul. But compared to an Arrancar, a stable hybrid of "Human" and "Hollow", the Visoreds are imperfect.
! This is where the "Human" essence becomes key to achieving Transcendence. The "Human" side has to balance with the "Hollow" side in order to make it stable, which will result in a fusion of "Shinigami" and "Hollow" to create a being "transcending both Shinigami and Hollow". Ginjo also made mention of this when discussing Ichigo's Fullbring - when his Shinigami reiatsu fused with his Fullbring, he would gain a power "transcending the Shinigami".
! It is because of Ichigo's "Human" side that the "Hollow" powers passed onto him from Masaki, who was infected with Hollowfication by White, fused with his Shinigami powers and became his Zanpakuto without resulting in "soul suicide".
! However, there is a catch. As we saw with Aizen, Ichigo and Ginjo, any Transcendental Being with only those three essences inside them - "Hollow", "Shinigami" and "Human" - will appear distinctly Hollow-like in appearance. They may wield Zanpakuto, but their physical appearance is still that of Hollows. Aizen might have been because of the Hogyoku, but we saw the upper limit of this with the abomination he became at the end.
! Which brings me to the second, complete stage of Transcendence. In this stage, all four soul essences are in balance with one another - "Shinigami" and "Quincy", and "Human" and "Hollow". Ichigo is the main example of this thus far in the series, and embodies the balance of souls in the series - one the Blood War has thrown out of balance for the past one thousand years.
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! As a result, the key theme of the Final Blood War arc is not solely about the Quincy, but it will be about the role they fill in the balance of souls in the Bleach universe. If their existence only threatened the balance and to cause the destruction of the world, why would they exist in the first place?
! P.S. If it looks like I went off on a tangent from my original post, I did. That's why I divided it into sections. -
Nah and Blah? I love it.
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So, Naruto still has made no progress from where I left it. I haven't read a few of the recent chapters, but I read this one and nothing has changed.
Bleach with its stupid lolscience crapped out by Urahara which makes no sense at all. Good old bleh.
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Oh right, "samurai" were in this "war" too. Forgot.
Funny how Mifune keeps saying "let's show them what us Samurai worth" (Kimimaro has shown us exactly what they worth), the same line over and over again, as if trying to convince himself he's relevant.
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Funny how Mifune keeps saying "let's show them what us Samurai worth" (Kimimaro has shown us exactly what they worth), the same line over and over again, as if trying to convince himself he's relevant.
He's probably taking a sip out of his booze bottle every now and then to somehow make it through the day.
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Okay guys, can you guys discuss a little bit about what this guy wrote;
! In the recent chapter of Bleach, Urahara tells us that the Arrancar's Resurreccion is almost the same as a Shinigami's Bankai, and we have seen - particularly with Vasto Lordes level Arrancar - that the power increase given by Resurreccion is equivalent to that of a Bankai in most cases.
! By this logic, Urahara proposed that the Vandenreich could be able to steal an Arrancar's Resurreccion as easily as they are able to steal a Shinigami's Bankai. But there is also a couple questions this brings up: is it a retcon of the Arrancar's Resurrecion, and how would Medallions able to steal Bankai be able to do the same to Resurreccion?
! I believe the answer rests with the Asauchi and the form of a Hollows. As we learnt recently, an Asauchi is made from laying multiple Shinigami souls on top of each other, the end result being blank beings with no individuality.
! A Menos Grande is formed from a similar process, only it occurs when Hollows begin to devour other Hollows, which causes their souls to merge with one another to create the mindless Gillian, which themselves are blank slates unless there is one Hollow whose ego/personality exceeds those making up the rest of the Menos. We saw an "alternate" method of creating a Menos with White, who could use a Menos' Cero but was made from multiple Shinigami souls.
! As we know, the Gillians who maintain individuality have the potential to become Adjuchas and eventually Menos Grandes, becoming distinct individuals, having progressed beyond the Gillian stage. Once a Hollow breaks their Masks to become Arrancars, they regain their Human forms - or as close to Human forms as they can get - and they store the nucleus of their Hollow powers in the Zanpakuto generated by the evolution into Arrancar.
! But more importantly is what happens when one Adjuchas devours even a small piece of another - the evolution of the Adjuchas who had part of their body devoured stops. We also know that an Arrancar who discards a part of their physical form in Resurrecion cannot restore themselves to their original state. This is the same as what happens when Bankai are damaged - a Bankai can never be restored to the way it was, and suffers from decreased power.
! The composition of a Menos' body is essentially the same as the Asauchi - multiple souls piled on top of one another - and sealing the nucleus of one's Hollow powers in a Zanpakuto represents the same thing as it does for a Shinigami's Zanpakuto. Just as a Bankai is the complete manifestation of a Shinigami's power, the Resurreccion is the manifestation of the Arrancar's true power.
! –-------------------------------------------------------------
! But this is not the case with either Fullbringers or Quincy. In the case of Fullbringers, however, their method of manifesting powers functions very much like a Shinigami - they imprint the essence of their soul onto an object they are close to. In the case of Fullbringers, this can be any Human World object they have a close attachment to, and then manifest their powers by amplifying the power of the object's "soul" with their own.
! In the case of Quincy, they use the Quincy Cross to act as the focus of their reishi-gathering abilities in order to manifest a Spirit Weapon. As was explained early on, the Quincy and Shinigami are opposites of one another. A Shinigami channels their inner power through their Zanpakuto, "fighting with the power within", while Quincy absorb reishi and combine it with their power to create weapons, "fighting using outside powers".
! In other words, both of these subsets of Humans use their powers to manipulate certain spiritual energies - the "soul" of "objects" or the reishi in the atmosphere - in order to create weapons.
! This is in stark contrast to the spiritual beings of Shinigami and Arrancar, who possess weapons in the form of Zanpakuto - which are composed of multiple souls piled/mixed together - which represent the "essence" of the Shinigami or Arrancar's soul, and are "released" to display the individual's true power.
Which brings us to what Urahara mentioned in "Everything But the Rain". When discussing the method of saving Masaki, Urahara explained that Hollows are opposites of Humans, and Shinigami are opposites of Quincy. In essence, Urahara set up the relevance of harmony between these four soul types, and their relationships to one another.
! In the case of Hollows and Humans being opposites, this is best seen when looking at both Arrancar and Fullbringers. Both races are hybrid races created by their opposition. In the case of Arrancar, they are "Hollows" who regain their "Human" selves, resulting in their "Hollow" powers being sealed into a Zanpakuto. In the case of Fullbringers, they are "Humans" who were born with "Hollow reiryoku" mixed into their souls. Because they are opposites, this awakened a power that allows "Humans" to manipulate the "souls" in "matter".
! But things get messy if you attempt to mix Hollow powers in with the soul of a Shinigami and Quincy. Because they are spiritual beings - and likely because of the nature of the Zanpakuto being similar to Hollows - a Shinigami who gains Hollow powers is able to "Hollowfy", affording them an increase in power. Despite this, there still exists the risk of Shinigami losing control of themselves, becoming mindless monsters, and self-destructing via "soul suicide".
! But a Hollow's true anti-thesis is the Quincy. Both races, as we now know, exist in a mutual relationship of destruction. If a Hollow is killed by Quincy arrows, they are erased from existence, and if a Quincy's soul becomes contaminated with a Hollow's essence, their spiritual powers not only become "weakened", but they can also have their own souls destroyed by a Hollow's essence.
! Hence, the only soul able to balance out a "Hollow" and resist its "corruption/poison" is a "Human" soul. This makes sense, considering all "Human" souls can become "Hollows" if their Chain of Fate erodes away.
! It is different when you mix "Human" with "Shinigami" or "Quincy". The "Human" soul is neutral to both "Shinigami" and "Quincy", but with different effects. With a "Shinigami", they have a "Human" physical body, and must exit that body in order to assume their "Shinigami" form. It also seems that a "Shinigami" ages at the rate of a "Human" in such circumstances - as we saw with Isshin, who became a "Shinigami-Human" and physically aged twenty years as a result.
! With "Quincy", who are Humans with spiritual powers, a Pure-blood "Quincy" marrying a "Human" and having children produces a "Half-blood" Quincy. At this point, it is purely hypothesis, but it is a notion I have heard elsewhere and agree with - specifically Milareppa at OneManga, IIRC.
! While a Half-Blood "Quincy" might not have the same innate potential as a Pure-Blood, their "Human" sides might give them the "natural defenses/antibodies" to Hollows that Pure-Bloods lack. This is how we've seen Uryu be injured by Hollows numerous times, yet he has not been "poisoned" like we have just seen happen with Cang Du, and what happened with Masaki. So while they might be considered "inferior" to the Pure-Bloods, a Half-Blood is actually "superior" in the fact they have natural defenses against a Hollow's essence.
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In regards to "Shinigami" and "Quincy", we have not seen a clear end-result of that outside of two - potentially three - instances. In the first instance at the beginning of the series, just by touching Ichigo's Zanpakuto, Uryu's Kojaku, his Spirit Weapon, changed form and most likely would have produced an exponentially more powerful arrow than his normal self.
! For the second, we have Ichigo himself. He wields the powers of the Shinigami, but now that his Quincy powers have awakened and his true Zanpakuto revealed, we know three things: 1) Ichigo now possesses dual Zanpakuto, a trait only Kyoraku and Ukitake have displayed among the Shinigami, 2) Ichigo has a manifestation of Quincy powers in his Inner World, and 3) that manifestation can activate the Blut to protect Ichigo even when Ichigo himself is unaware he can use the ability.
! The third is how Ichigo and his sisters were safe from the Auswahlen. We know Uryu was also unaffected, but I'll get to that later. Because of their Quincy heritage, the Kurosaki siblings should have all been targeted by the Auswahlen, but Yhwach could touch none of them - he could only take Masaki's powers - so we know that a Shinigami-Quincy hybrid is immune to Yhwach's Auswahlen, essentially meaning they exist outside of his influence.
! As to what this means, Grand Fisher mentioned that Ichigo was a "Trueblood" upon learning his father was a Shinigami. But what is a "True Blood"? The terminology Kubo uses for that term is different from the "Pure Blood" and "Half-Blood" used to refer to the Quincy and their lineages.
! It could simply mean Ichigo has Shinigami heritage, but why would "True Blood" be used to refer to just anyone with a Shinigami heritage? I think that it is hinting at something in regards to Humans born with "Shinigami" powers. The possibility exists that the only way a "Human" can be born with "Shinigami" powers is if one of their parents was a Shinigami and the other a Quincy. As a result of these two opposing races existing in one being, the end result is a "True Blood" - an individual possessing both the power of "Shinigami" and "Quincy".
! In the end, it is all a matter of the balance between souls and their relationships to one another, which brings us to the last section of my post (hopefully) - the nature of Transcendence.
! "Transcendence" appears to be rooted in "transcending Shinigami and Hollow", and Hollowfication was Aizen's main research route in achieving that goal. However, "Hollowfication" is unstable, so creating a "stable" Visored requires a vaccine made from Quincy Arrows of Light and Human souls, with the vaccine's two parts balancing with the conflicting Shinigami and Hollow essences to stabilize the soul. But compared to an Arrancar, a stable hybrid of "Human" and "Hollow", the Visoreds are imperfect.
! This is where the "Human" essence becomes key to achieving Transcendence. The "Human" side has to balance with the "Hollow" side in order to make it stable, which will result in a fusion of "Shinigami" and "Hollow" to create a being "transcending both Shinigami and Hollow". Ginjo also made mention of this when discussing Ichigo's Fullbring - when his Shinigami reiatsu fused with his Fullbring, he would gain a power "transcending the Shinigami".
! It is because of Ichigo's "Human" side that the "Hollow" powers passed onto him from Masaki, who was infected with Hollowfication by White, fused with his Shinigami powers and became his Zanpakuto without resulting in "soul suicide".
! However, there is a catch. As we saw with Aizen, Ichigo and Ginjo, any Transcendental Being with only those three essences inside them - "Hollow", "Shinigami" and "Human" - will appear distinctly Hollow-like in appearance. They may wield Zanpakuto, but their physical appearance is still that of Hollows. Aizen might have been because of the Hogyoku, but we saw the upper limit of this with the abomination he became at the end.
! Which brings me to the second, complete stage of Transcendence. In this stage, all four soul essences are in balance with one another - "Shinigami" and "Quincy", and "Human" and "Hollow". Ichigo is the main example of this thus far in the series, and embodies the balance of souls in the series - one the Blood War has thrown out of balance for the past one thousand years.
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! As a result, the key theme of the Final Blood War arc is not solely about the Quincy, but it will be about the role they fill in the balance of souls in the Bleach universe. If their existence only threatened the balance and to cause the destruction of the world, why would they exist in the first place?
! P.S. If it looks like I went off on a tangent from my original post, I did. That's why I divided it into sections.Wow, that is one long post. Clearly Kubo has never thought out, nor planned his story that deeply himself. It is amusing to see Bleach fans desperately trying to make sense of all of it, when the author himself does not give a fuck.
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@Ace:
Wow, that is one long post. Clearly Kubo has never thought out, nor planned his story that deeply himself. It is amusing to see Bleach fans desperately trying to make sense of all of it, when the author himself does not give a fuck.
at first, i thought the same but my knowledge of Bleach is very low.. that is why i need somebody here to look at that post.
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@Ace:
Wow, that is one long post. Clearly Kubo has never thought out, nor planned his story that deeply himself. It is amusing to see Bleach fans desperately trying to make sense of all of it, when the author himself does not give a fuck.
Tell me about it, lol
Okay guys, can you guys discuss a little bit about what this guy wrote;
I started typing out a response but gave up…..I think some fans read too much into Kubo's story when he doesn't plan out a single moment of it. Anything they "discover" is purely by accident.
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Tell me about it, lol
I started typing out a response but gave up…..I think some fans read too much into Kubo's story when he doesn't plan out a single moment of it. Anything they "discover" is purely by accident.
yeah, i understand. it just I don't want being unfair to Bleach, its fans and Kubo..
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Kubo doesn't deserve having readers who try to look that deep into the series, man.
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lol some people think that Kishi's editor is to blame for Naruto's awful pacing.
Yeah, and maybe… you know, maybe he was also responsible for that dieherria Kishi mentioned a while back! His editor was trying to teach Kishi a lesson, not to go against his editor's advice!
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yeah, i understand. it just I don't want being unfair to Bleach, its fans and Kubo..
Ok, to talk about that post.
! I don't know a lot about Bleach(at some point in time, a long time ago, I gave up on having a good knowledge about it), but for what I know(or think I know) We shouldn't be dividing them into 4 independent species/entities, because they aren't(In reality the're only 2 different entities right now. At the beginning of the series there only was 1 entity).
Simply put, you first have a human, that has a physical body and within a soul. After a human dies only the soul remains. If the soul has nothing keeping in the human realm he go automatically to Soul Society, if he have something keeping him he turns into a Wandering Soul.
A wandering Soul, without the protection of a physical body, starts to become impure. A completely impure soul is what is called a Hollow.
A Shinigami is just a pure soul that is trained in soul society, They learn various techniques and receive an Asauchi that later turns into a personal Zanpakutou.
If we take the metaphor that a human is a bottle of water, where the bottle is the body and the water the soul then a Fullbringer is a Bottle where some water is leaking out. That happens because of the disturbance of the encounter of the Mother(or was any parent? Don't remember) with a Hollow, before he/she is born(or it worked even after? Don't remember).
For the most part of the series we were fooled to think that Quincy were humans that learnt techniques to control the outside reishi(I don't remember if they can control their own reishi, but probably can) and used that to fight against Hollows. So like Shinigamis that are simple souls with training and equipment to purify Hollows(impure souls), Quincys where Humans with training and equipment to purify impure souls, just like how monks fight bad spirits(Literally Quincy means Monk of Destruction). Unfortunately right now a Quincy is a totally different entity from a Human and all originated from Yhwach. For all we know Yhwach can be a human that acquired enlightenment like Buddha? Or a God like Jesus?
It becomes something like this:- Human: Body + Soul
-(After Human Dies)Wandering Soul: Soul
-(After Wandering Soul becomes impure)Hollow: Impure Soul
-(After Wandering Soul is purified and goes to Soul Society)Soul Society Soul: Pure Soul - (Normal Soul Society purified Soul)Commoner: Pure Soul
- ("Samurai/Soldier" Soul Society purified Soul) Shinigami: Pure Soul + Zanpakutou(Special Adapted Collection of Souls)
- (Special Human)Fullbringer: Body(special/corrupted?) + Soul(special/corrupted?)
! - Quincy: Body + Soul
! About the Arrancar Ressurección and Shinigami Bankai they are both a type of unsealing soul power. I don't really understand how and why, but it seems a Zanpakutou original form is Bankai, but a shinigami starts in is sealed form(It just seems is the other way around, the original form is the sealed form and the special state is the Shikai and Bankai). A Ressurección is a similar thing, where Arrancars turn the nuclei of their collection of Souls into a sealed sword gaining human appearance, but less power. The differences between the two are the way the souls are gathered and that an Arrancar souls are basically him while a Shinigami and a Zanpakutou are separate entities that through the "way of the sword" they become "One"(Like one). This difference seems irrelevant because Urahara said so and he is always right.
! About opposites: Human <-> Hollow and Shinigami <-> Quincy. I don't understand what is the meaning of the word opposite used by Urahara, because I would think opposites are the Impure Soul(Hollow) and Pure Soul(SS Commoner, Shinigami, any pure Wandering Soul and any pure soul human). It could be that by entering Soul Society a Soul would suffer a "mutation" making it not opposite to a Hollow. The origin of the Quincies is unknown(Saying they were created by Yhwach, that we don't know from where appeared, is not a good explanation) so they can be anything. Maybe Yhwach is the opposite of Soul King(Like God made the Devil(Yhwach) and the Jesus(Soul King)) and he, Yhwach, mutates souls the opposite way the Soul Society does(Soul King Mutation). I am thinking to much, because Kubo probability of explaining(or even thinking in this) is really low.
About the Hollow Poison. Everything about Quincies and Yhwach origin is totally unexplained, giving the flexibility that Kubo needed to pull every random thing possible, without being wrong. However, It would still be a good decision to explain every instance that it looked an exception to what was said about the Hollow Poison(Ichigo Mother, Ichigo, Ishida, The other Quincy guy that fought with Ichigo in Hueco Mundo and absorved a Hollow, …).
For me the biggest problem is Urahara thinking "there is only two options for them not to steal an Arrancar Ressureción ..." This is so retarded, because none of the options is the most probable and logic: They don't wanting to! Because it isn't in their plans(It was not like they would gain a super advantage by stealing Ressureción instead of Bankai). Just because I can steal something doesn't mean I have to steal it. Thinking otherwise is really stupid(If it only gave them an indispensable super advantage, than would make sense to question why they didn't, but when stealing the Captains Bankai give them a lot more advantages, is not justified). - Human: Body + Soul
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I'm still confused about all this weird genetics stuff in Bleach. Wasn't Bach a Shinigami originally that developed the Quincy techniques? Why are some born mutant freaks, why are some seemingly ageless, why are some just referred to as a human clan?
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I almost feel that "Hollow antibodies" were developed specifically as a counterpart for "love cancer".
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Ok, to talk about that post.
! I don't know a lot about Bleach(at some point in time, a long time ago, I gave up on having a good knowledge about it), but for what I know(or think I know) We shouldn't be dividing them into 4 independent species/entities, because they aren't(In reality the're only 2 different entities right now. At the beginning of the series there only was 1 entity).
Simply put, you first have a human, that has a physical body and within a soul. After a human dies only the soul remains. If the soul has nothing keeping in the human realm he go automatically to Soul Society, if he have something keeping him he turns into a Wandering Soul.
A wandering Soul, without the protection of a physical body, starts to become impure. A completely impure soul is what is called a Hollow.
A Shinigami is just a pure soul that is trained in soul society, They learn various techniques and receive an Asauchi that later turns into a personal Zanpakutou.
If we take the metaphor that a human is a bottle of water, where the bottle is the body and the water the soul then a Fullbringer is a Bottle where some water is leaking out. That happens because of the disturbance of the encounter of the Mother(or was any parent? Don't remember) with a Hollow, before he/she is born(or it worked even after? Don't remember).
For the most part of the series we were fooled to think that Quincy were humans that learnt techniques to control the outside reishi(I don't remember if they can control their own reishi, but probably can) and used that to fight against Hollows. So like Shinigamis that are simple souls with training and equipment to purify Hollows(impure souls), Quincys where Humans with training and equipment to purify impure souls, just like how monks fight bad spirits(Literally Quincy means Monk of Destruction). Unfortunately right now a Quincy is a totally different entity from a Human and all originated from Yhwach. For all we know Yhwach can be a human that acquired enlightenment like Buddha? Or a God like Jesus?
It becomes something like this:- Human: Body + Soul
-(After Human Dies)Wandering Soul: Soul
-(After Wandering Soul becomes impure)Hollow: Impure Soul
-(After Wandering Soul is purified and goes to Soul Society)Soul Society Soul: Pure Soul - (Normal Soul Society purified Soul)Commoner: Pure Soul
- ("Samurai/Soldier" Soul Society purified Soul) Shinigami: Pure Soul + Zanpakutou(Special Adapted Collection of Souls)
- (Special Human)Fullbringer: Body(special/corrupted?) + Soul(special/corrupted?)
! - Quincy: Body + Soul
! About the Arrancar Ressurección and Shinigami Bankai they are both a type of unsealing soul power. I don't really understand how and why, but it seems a Zanpakutou original form is Bankai, but a shinigami starts in is sealed form(It just seems is the other way around, the original form is the sealed form and the special state is the Shikai and Bankai). A Ressurección is a similar thing, where Arrancars turn the nuclei of their collection of Souls into a sealed sword gaining human appearance, but less power. The differences between the two are the way the souls are gathered and that an Arrancar souls are basically him while a Shinigami and a Zanpakutou are separate entities that through the "way of the sword" they become "One"(Like one). This difference seems irrelevant because Urahara said so and he is always right.
! About opposites: Human <-> Hollow and Shinigami <-> Quincy. I don't understand what is the meaning of the word opposite used by Urahara, because I would think opposites are the Impure Soul(Hollow) and Pure Soul(SS Commoner, Shinigami, any pure Wandering Soul and any pure soul human). It could be that by entering Soul Society a Soul would suffer a "mutation" making it not opposite to a Hollow. The origin of the Quincies is unknown(Saying they were created by Yhwach, that we don't know from where appeared, is not a good explanation) so they can be anything. Maybe Yhwach is the opposite of Soul King(Like God made the Devil(Yhwach) and the Jesus(Soul King)) and he, Yhwach, mutates souls the opposite way the Soul Society does(Soul King Mutation). I am thinking to much, because Kubo probability of explaining(or even thinking in this) is really low.
About the Hollow Poison. Everything about Quincies and Yhwach origin is totally unexplained, giving the flexibility that Kubo needed to pull every random thing possible, without being wrong. However, It would still be a good decision to explain every instance that it looked an exception to what was said about the Hollow Poison(Ichigo Mother, Ichigo, Ishida, The other Quincy guy that fought with Ichigo in Hueco Mundo and absorved a Hollow, …).
For me the biggest problem is Urahara thinking "there is only two options for them not to steal an Arrancar Ressureción ..." This is so retarded, because none of the options is the most probable and logic: They don't wanting to! Because it isn't in their plans(It was not like they would gain a super advantage by stealing Ressureción instead of Bankai). Just because I can steal something doesn't mean I have to steal it. Thinking otherwise is really stupid(If it only gave them an indispensable super advantage, than would make sense to question why they didn't, but when stealing the Captains Bankai give them a lot more advantages, is not justified).thanks man.. i too don't really understand how those "opposites" mentioned by Urahara really work even those for all this time i always thought Hollow is opposite to Shinigami but related somehow (or maybe because they originate from human soul) and thats why they need something like Hyogoku (before the retcon) to become one another.
but after the all the retcon with quincy, fullbringer and zanpakto/asauchi, i don't understand anything at all. for example what exactly happen with Ichigo from the very beginning of the story anyway. he is a human or a quincy? if quincy, why he can become a shinigami if they are opposite with each other? let say, his quincy gene still sleep or whatever, why Zangetsu even exist? or for all this time he was a quincy who look like shinigami but why can he become vizard? why can Zangetsu exist with Evil Ichigo? why can they fused later?I almost feel that "Hollow antibodies" were developed specifically as a counterpart for "love cancer".
now we have to wait for sea water is some kind of virus/bacteria that harmful to the devil fruit users.
- Human: Body + Soul
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Funny how Mifune keeps saying "let's show them what us Samurai worth" (Kimimaro has shown us exactly what they worth), the same line over and over again, as if trying to convince himself he's relevant.
Did you mean Kishimoto showed us what they're worth by being an awful mangaka, or did kimmimaro come back into the story? I literally remember so little about what's been going on in Naruto.
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Yeah, he came back. He was just shown beating generic samurai a time or two. Any other fighting, so like 90% of it, was shown offscreen. I don't remember if he was ever even shown being sealed.
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@Purple:
Has Naruto actually powered up? I feel like he's just using the same abilities he's always had prior to the war but just remembering he had them. Which more or less means Obito's not really improving either.
In other words, we've been playing a zero sum game this whole time.
it's Naruto-Sasuke combo power up…first time we are going to see Sasuke's perfect susanoo(tengu)....:happy:
though i admit Kishi somehow killed the pace with too much pep talk.... -
Not often I post my thoughts so long after I read the chapter.
I liked both series this week, I think. Bleach - it was fun to see Squad 12 working on logistical stuff, and Mayuri and Urahara were good fun. Pretty much covers the chapter.
Naruto was … good? Like this is all the core thematic stuff surrounding this fight which Kishi has kind of danced around for chapters here and there rather than actually properly spotlighting and concisely cover it. He's been jumping between it, the whole "we'll do something too!" thing and the trying to hit Obito thing, whereas really, they should have come more in blocks, sort of? I don't mind Obito prodding at this stuff throughout the fight and superawesome declarations at the finishing blow and such, but the rest of it we should have got some times ago. And the phases of 'trying to hit Obito' should have culminated in a finish rather that dropping off for the sake of this. So bad planning, really. Oh, and Sasuke didn't have a cool line? Kind of disappointing; he's just sort of there going rah rah let's get him then, but he doesn't give the impression (unlike Naruto ... and like, the rest of the nijaverse ... and even the Samurai) that he's at all emotionally invested in what he's doing. And that really needs to be shown.
I started typing out a response but gave up…..I think some fans read too much into Kubo's story when he doesn't plan out a single moment of it. Anything they "discover" is purely by accident.
The author not intending something doesn't make it not meaningful to find. It's not to the credit of the author, nor is it likely to never get contradicted, but it's still meaningful, right?
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New chapter of real Naruto is out
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Jammmmmmmmmmmmmm beaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Neji! King of the Brothers!
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OMG!! Why can't Kishi write like this!!! The REAL Naruto has characterizations!! Really hope the stupid war will end soon!
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Oh god, this has to be my favourite REAL Naruto chapter!
It's really funny, and yet - we still get some character development! I mean, in span of this one chapter we had more bonding between characters, than we had in Kishi's manga in YEARS! He only wants to do fights now, this is what differs old Naruto and the Zabuza fight from the new Naruto, where everyone only has "the end of the world" clock going and no one cares, because the characters stopped being interesting.If Kishi got a few tips from the author of this series, or even ask to co-write the main series, maybe there would be hope for Naruto. Probably not, Kishi turned Kubo years ago.
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The author not intending something doesn't make it not meaningful to find. It's not to the credit of the author, nor is it likely to never get contradicted, but it's still meaningful, right?
Perhaps….but what if the author insists, "no, it's not Y, just X"?
I mean....I guess it's cool Bleach fans pay so much goddamn attention to the details, but sometimes the supposed symbolism and whatnot just isn't there.
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Perhaps….but what if the author insists, "no, it's not Y, just X"?
I mean....I guess it's cool Bleach fans pay so much goddamn attention to the details, but sometimes the supposed symbolism and whatnot just isn't there.
The saiyans are named after vegetables because of their deep seeded hatred for dictatorship and their rooted bonds with one another.
Notice how "Freezer" is name is one level higher than King "Cold"? I think King Cold may have been in a very dark place in his life when Freezer was born, he just had Cooler and his wife was probably strained from all the birth. King cold took out his frustration on Freezer causing Freezer to become evil and develop his inferiority complex to the saiyans and cooler. Based on how King Cold was talking to freezer when they arrived on Earth, I don't think he ever got over his issues with Freezer as he continued to mock his son and not even care about his death.
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Dragon Ball is an anti-Christianity tract because a person named Mr. SATAN saved the whole world.
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When Cell absorbed both Androids, the siblings literally became one inside him, an experience that was portrayed as violent,forceful,revolting and unnatural.
This symbolizes incestual relationships and what Toriyama is trying to say is that incest is disgusting and unnatural.
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@Cyan:
Dragon Ball is an anti-Christianity tract because a person named Mr. SATAN saved the whole world.
In DB, the entire world worships Mr.Satan as their lord and savior,which symbolizes the coming of Anti-Christ.
But since Mr.Satan,despite being a fraudulent savior,is actually a likable character, Toriyama preaches not to be prejudiced and that everyone may have some good inside them, even Anti-Christ.
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By having only the saiyans be useful towards the end, Toriyama is showing that if you don't have it and if you can't do it already, you never will.
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This is wow boring these mangas are, this thread was about to to the second page.
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This is wow boring these mangas are, this thread was about to to the second page.
What? …..................
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"Wow boring". A new level of boredom.
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This whole antibodies against hollows explanation is just awful all around.
Incidentally, by specifying that Quincies lack these antibodies and have this poisonous reaction to hollows that were never seen before in humans or shinigami, it's basically saying that having some level of Yhwach blood in you actually removes this natural resistance to… contact with a hollow's existence. -
Sorry for the bad grammar.
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Wow!