When does anyone realize that the real threat was and still is the mutant? They should not allow Ichigo to be alive.
Naruto and Bleach IV- Sexy time
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Bleach's response to Naruto's "talk no jutsu" …. Urahara's "Hack Attack" pill. Guess Kubo had no clue how the Captain's would win without a Pill Hack ... whatever, anything that gets this thing moving faster to the end is always a good thing.
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http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/552/14 @bottom right panel: and yet this plot point has not come up once since before the first invasion, because the only two we've seen were killed by Bach because they did the job he told them to do.
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http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/552/17 except, ya know, Hollows are supposed to be soul eating abominations.
Kind of a sufficient reason for someone to hate them if you ask me.
Yes I realise Kubo has long abandoned that angle and is presenting Hollows as people, as much as he can anyway.
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wait , isn't that the Nazi guy who fought Ichigo in Hueco Mundo did absorbed Hollow during their fight?
And with that every single thing revealed in this chapter is now invalidated.
I mean you honestly can't expect Kubo to remember something he wrote in this same arc :getlost:
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Just thought of this, IF bankais are still linked to a shinigami's soul and are an intrinsic part of it even if detached, does Yamamoto's bankai simply fizzle out once he's dead? get even slightly weaker?
Coz theoretically, zangetsu clone could simply heat it up and see every body die from lack of moisture without even moving from his spot. He sure doesn't give a damn about his own side dying.
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Well i asked about the stormtroopers last week and they pop out this week.lol
But dear god such boring crap of a war and obito is starting to come victm of the talk no jutsu, he is already horrible and his about to become worse. -
@No:
except, ya know, Hollows are supposed to be soul eating abominations.
Kind of a sufficient reason for someone to hate them if you ask me.
Yes I realise Kubo has long abandoned that angle and is presenting Hollows as people, as much as he can anyway.
Oh yeah, this waqs a thing, I totally forgot that hollows were supposed to look like, you know, hollows and not humans. Lately it seems every hollow is an arrancar or something. What happened to the big ones? Menos grande they were called? I remember there was one point where the gates were oppened and they came to the city and we saw that something even stronger was hidden behind the gate. Do I remember this correctly? It's hard to remember, because Kubo dropped the whole thing so many years ago.
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This is so dumb, I can't even wrap my mind about all the stupid implications Kubo made just now. Can someone please make a quincy/hollow/shinigami/arrancar chart and show me all the contradictions?
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This is so dumb, I can't even wrap my mind about all the stupid implications Kubo made just now. Can someone please make a quincy/hollow/shinigami/arrancar chart and show me all the contradictions?
I tried but excel keeps telling me I can't divide by 0.
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Naruto and Bleach leave me feeling Hollow…
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It never ceases to amaze me the caliber of on-the-fly scientific breakthroughs Urahara can just sort of MacGyver together. Let's just ignore for the moment the really bad pseudo-science behind how this pill is supposed to work and consider what he's actually created in this basically nonexistent time frame. Having previously spent an exorbitant amount of time on studying hollowfication prior or not its just improbable to create magic pills using god knows what that just so happen to be the one thing Quincies are weak against (which is once again trying to make Quincies out to be this separate race as opposed to simply different human ideologies).
Naruto and Bleach: My Bullshit Way
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@No:
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/552/14 @bottom right panel: and yet this plot point has not come up once since before the first invasion, because the only two we've seen were killed by Bach because they did the job he told them to do.
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http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/552/17 except, ya know, Hollows are supposed to be soul eating abominations.
Kind of a sufficient reason for someone to hate them if you ask me.
Yes I realise Kubo has long abandoned that angle and is presenting Hollows as people, as much as he can anyway.
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And with that every single thing revealed in this chapter is now invalidated.
I mean you honestly can't expect Kubo to remember something he wrote in this same arc :getlost:
what i am afraid of is that, if its like ceazydom said, "Kirge absorbing Ayon as something they can do in their halo form" even though there is still part of "Urahara was there to witness him doing that" left… i only read or skimmed through all of the chapters once.. so i don't know how much Urahara saw/heard about what Kirge can do in his halo form.
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Just thought of this, IF bankais are still linked to a shinigami's soul and are an intrinsic part of it even if detached, does Yamamoto's bankai simply fizzle out once he's dead? get even slightly weaker?
yeah, how about this..
or maybe when the one who got their bankai stolen die, their bankai will be owned 100% by the thief. -
You know, come to think of it, since Angel Mode allows them to just absorb everything spirit based, be it hollows or buildings, and add it to themselves…
Why bother with bankai-stealing badges at all? Couldn't they just use that^ to glorp up bankais instantly?
Hell, Is there anything stopping them from absorbing the shinigamis themselves?
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Now Naruto and Sasuke only need to kiss and the fusion will be complete.
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….the hell?
Bleach: Chapter opens up with Quincy Zuko dropping a defeated Matsumoto, and declaring he'll finish Hitsugaya with his own Bankai. Fine fine, whatever.
Let's jump to the lolscience explanation. Quincies…lack Hollow "antibodies", anything Hollow is poison to them, that's why they fight them. Y'know....because them being soul-eating monsters by themselves has nothing to do with it, right?
Using Arrancar Release ~=~ Captain Bankai, Urahara shows up and presents a small black pill to briefly "Hollowify" the user's Bankai and take down the Quncies. Well, I kinda feel bad for the Quincies, Urahara and Mayuri working together automatically spells doom and disaster.
But the rather dubious and contrived science is one problem. The OTHER problem, I feel, is that Kubo is playing his trump card to turn the tide WAAAY too soon. What was the point of doing one dramatic event if you're gonna undo it so soon? It's Ichigo regaining his powers all over again.
Not to mention, Urahara came up with this strategy in too short of a time, playing off just a theory involving Arrancar releases. What if this backfired horribly in SS's faces? And since Yama is dead, there's probably no way to instantly nerf Bach...
I.....think I need to spend a few hours making sense of this crap.
Naruto: "I'll Sleep"? Great advice!
Seriously, NOTHING new happened in this chapter. Again all the ninjas go "yeah let's do it!", make near meaningless attacks, someone summons…..and AGAIN, Obito has to monologue about the "pain" of the world.
And of course Naruto has to retort AGAIN with some hackneyed bout of dialogue. "It's my Ninja Way!"....oh god, I cringed a little. I wished Kishi spaced these "dramatic moments" out, so that everyone didn't feel forced and a retread of the other.
But Sasuke declares he and Naruto will finish it with one last attack. We can only hope.
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Now Naruto and Sasuke only need to kiss and the fusion will be complete.
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@Aru:
Oh yeah, this waqs a thing, I totally forgot that hollows were supposed to look like, you know, hollows and not humans. Lately it seems every hollow is an arrancar or something. What happened to the big ones? Menos grande they were called? I remember there was one point where the gates were oppened and they came to the city and we saw that something even stronger was hidden behind the gate. Do I remember this correctly? It's hard to remember, because Kubo dropped the whole thing so many years ago.
That nig one was actually killed when the captains were fighting those strongest espada which Aizen invaded the human world with. Got kicked dead.
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I know that everyone's focused on the part where Urahara's like, "Quincy antibodies!" (and rightly so… right before I do immunology lecture lol)
But what about that whole surmising about stuff just based on "well Arrancar resurreccions are just like bankai! And they couldn't steal them!"
Isn't that the same logic that Yamamoto used about his bankai before he got his ass handed to him by Yhwach?
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Uraharascience. YAY.
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@Purple:
I know that everyone's focused on the part where Urahara's like, "Quincy antibodies!" (and rightly so… right before I do immunology lecture lol)
But what about that whole surmising about stuff just based on "well Arrancar resurreccions are just like bankai! And they couldn't steal them!"
Isn't that the same logic that Yamamoto used about his bankai before he got his ass handed to him by Yhwach?
The resurreccion concept was always a bit strange to me
Hollow obtains shinigami power–> becomes more human, gains strength
Hollow release--> becomes much more hollow...but gains strength?And of course its much weirder now, since they gain swords automatically, whereas shinigami get them from Rockstar midget, and Hollows aren't the opposites of shinigami anymore, but humans....
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Urahara is just so full of shit…that guy is just walking deux ex machina.
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Did we… did we ever did see Urahara experimenting something? How does his lab look like? How can he come up with stuff so quickly? I know he's a genius and everything, but this is just bullshit. You can't come up with a correct answer every time, like he does. And it's always working, he's never wrong! I'd like this guy much more if he gave someone this pill and nstead of a Quincy - a Shinigami would blow up and he just said "sorry, gues I need to work on it a little more, see you in a few hours" and would run away. It's not fun if a character is perfect, and it seems Kubo and Kishi forgot about this, when we look at Bleach and Naruto...
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I literally want this stupid power tree thing to fall more than anything. Please just let this end. The exact same chapter has just been repeated for what seems like the 50th time in a row.
- Obito moaning about the world.
- Naruto saying he won't give up.
- Naruto & Sasuke combo attack apparently spells the end for Obito.
Naruto has become groundhog day.
At least in bleach we got some kind of move forward with the captains apparently kind of regaining their bankai, even if the logic behind Urahara's deduction was Kubo at his finest.
I enjoyed Urahara's interaction with Mayuri though.
Tbh the greatest sin in this Bleach chapter was Kubo lifting Hibari Kyoya straight out of Reborn! and dropping him into a Sternritter uniform.
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Naruto: More pointless plodding action, stupid dialogue, and -Hey!- turns out talk no jutsu worked on Obito after all. Just in a different way.
Bleach: Finally, for the first time in a few weeks, Bleach gets a chance at being the dumber of the two. It's funny, for the minute I actually kind of was buying Urahara's explanation, but, yeah, wow, Kubo can't keep a story straight to save his life.
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Oh God.. Naruto… Oh god why.
Bleach was at least interesting even though that explanation is the most wonky shit I've ever heard.
What the fuck is a hollow antibody?
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What the fuck is a hollow antibody?
if you were paying attention. if a Quincy were to come into contact with a hollow essence would cause them to rot away into nothing. which was why they didn't steal the resurreccions from the arrancars. so by hollowfying the Banki that the Quincy's already stole, and if the it is actived by them ,the Banki in question would act as a poison to Quincys. thus putting the Quincy had a disadvantage, being unable to steal and/or use Bankai at all.
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Ohh Bleach… you just went full retard. Worst chapter of anything that i have ever read. The explanation is just so wrong. But i´m the only one that went WTF with the "magic teleportation" of the black pills in like a second. And the powers of the pills work instantly.. the hell?!
It would have been funnier, if Urahara said something like.. "sorry i didn´t find any cure for the stolen bankais, but i created an army of super robots to fight the Quincys". If you are going to jump the shark, you do it with some kind of style.
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if you were paying attention. if a Quincy were to come into contact with a hollow essence would cause them to rot away into nothing. which was why they didn't steal the resurreccions from the arrancars. so by hollowfying the Banki that the Quincy's already stole, and if the it is actived by them ,the Banki in question would act as a poison to Quincys. thus putting the Quincy had a disadvantage, being unable to steal and/or use Bankai at all.
Yeah, I got that.
But what the fuck is a hollow antibody? It's the silliest shit.
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Ohh Bleach… you just went full retard. Worst chapter of anything that i have ever read. The explanation is just so wrong. But i´m the only one that went WTF with the "magic teleportation" of the black pills in like a second. And the powers of the pills work instantly.. the hell?!
It would have been funnier, if Urahara said something like.. "sorry i didn´t find any cure for the stolen bankais, but i created an army of super robots to fight the Quincys". If you are going to jump the shark, you do it with some kind of style.
Bleach jumped the shark years ago though.
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Apparently the hollows are poisonous viruses that spread some sort of murderous disease?
The shinigami have antibodies that counteract this poison but quincies don't because they're human.
Apparently real life biology processes apply in a spiritual world of SOULS.Yeah, this doesn't work.
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Boy-oh-boy.
Did urahara pull a kubo and completely forget Chad and orihime in hm?!?!?!
Will bankai hitsugaya be able to withstand the might of THREE burning fingers?!?!?!?
Will soi-fon's worthless vc actually step up and do something other than eat crackers??!!
Find out on the next issue of Bleach.
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Urahara-lol-science is still more interesting than talk no jutsu. Though they are equally bad.
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wasnt urahara banned from entering SS?
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Apparently real life biology processes apply in a spiritual world of SOULS.
Yeah, this doesn't work.
Heh, not the first time. Ukitake has some….ghost disease.
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@Aru:
Did we… did we ever did see Urahara experimenting something? How does his lab look like? How can he come up with stuff so quickly? I know he's a genius and everything, but this is just bullshit. You can't come up with a correct answer every time, like he does. And it's always working, he's never wrong! I'd like this guy much more if he gave someone this pill and nstead of a Quincy - a Shinigami would blow up and he just said "sorry, gues I need to work on it a little more, see you in a few hours" and would run away. It's not fun if a character is perfect, and it seems Kubo and Kishi forgot about this, when we look at Bleach and Naruto...
he's been working on the thing for many days - since the initial invasion happened and yeah we saw Urahara working on the Quincy Bankai stealing medallion.
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@the:
Find out on the 3rd issue of Bleach after this chapter.
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I thought bleach was a little more competent than naruto this week. Though one of my gripes with naruto is that it seems like every chapter ends the same. Leaves nothing to be desired.
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Urahara is offically worse than Aizen, everything was planned by Aizen but Urahara fix/solve/invent anything… afterall Aizen was brought down by Urahara's sheningans...
As for this week Naruto...hmm hasnt it been same chapter for 4-5 months now?
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Urahara is offically worse than Aizen, everything was planned by Aizen but Urahara fix/solve/invent anything… afterall Aizen was brought down by Urahara's sheningans...
As for this week Naruto...hmm hasnt it been same chapter for 4-5 months now?
Both are amazing in the sheer volume of Kubo not giving a shit.
But Aizen takes the cake seeing as Urahara never spent over a year of our time with his followers trying to break through an obstacle he could have just walked through at any time.
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I think I finally understand what doesn't work about Naruto. Yeah, I know it's bad, but it somehow felt worse lately.
See, Kishi never takes a brake from the tension and thus - the tension disappeared. Oda knew this - he knew during the CP9 fight with Lucci that the Luffy fight is glorious and long, but we needed to breake the tension sometimes - see what others were doing, what Spandam was doing… he even changed the place of the battle for the fight to feel fresh. It just worked!
And in Naruto? We're on this hill for A LOT of chapters and we only see what characters are doing there. It felt even "a little" better before, when Kakashi was fighting Obito in another dimension, it was a new place, so it broke the tension of the shitty war.
Lately it's just the same, nothing happens, nothing changed, it's just looking at guys throwing punches until one of the sides does something - you can't do that for a few months worth of chapters! -
The tension is gone because it's literally been the same shit over and over again.
Power up, some stupid speech, "let's end this!", power up, some stupid speech, "Let's end this!"
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I'd like to see one of Naruto's defenders show up here and entertain us a little. The chapters do nothing for us so why not bet on the crazy fans?
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The tension is gone because it's literally been the same shit over and over again.
Power up, some stupid speech, "let's end this!", power up, some stupid speech, "Let's end this!"
Pretty much.
Kishi wouldn't know a decent cliffhanger if it hit him in the head.
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Maybe the reason Kirge was able to absorb Ayon is because the virus is in the weapons of the hollows.
And since a bankai is the weapon of a shinigami, if it contains the hollow, you get the virus or some shit.
While ayon is made of parts of hollow bodies, which is just pure reishi or some shit.
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Nah and Blah IV: I'll sleep by taking the hax hollow pill.
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Masaki underwent hollowification part way through too. Without being insta poisoned like this chap.
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Wouldn't this mean that the Vizards are even more valuable? You know, seeing as even if their bankai is stolen they still have HOLLOW POISON and a massive powerup from putting on a mask?
Hell, what the heck is Shinji doing right now?
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@Sonic:
Maybe the reason Kirge was able to absorb Ayon is because the virus is in the weapons of the hollows.
And since a bankai is the weapon of a shinigami, if it contains the hollow, you get the virus or some shit.
While ayon is made of parts of hollow bodies, which is just pure reishi or some shit.
that's a probable explanation, but it's still hollow spirit energy, it'd only make sense for it to have some negative effect on him.
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A few chapters ago everyone was almost dying due to getting their chakra getting sucked immediately out of their bodies. Today, it's "We'll deal with it, because it's not actually that bad." But Senju chakra doesn't get sucked into the Juubi-Tree. Why? Because nature chakra can't be sucked into the tree of life, obviously. What?
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Masaki underwent hollowification part way through too. Without being insta poisoned like this chap.
Oh man.
So having any Hollow particles in a Quincies body is supposed to be super bad for them apparently. Yet Masaki had a full hollow inside her for several years.
This explanation keeps getting better and better.
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And before anyone says anything Urahara was talking about her Soul being consumed by a Hollow and thus resulting in soul suicide or whatever and based on how stuff was presented to us this chapter she should have exploded before Urahara had any chance to think up his bullshit soul-bondage scheme.
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@No:
Oh man.
So having any Hollow particles in a Quincies body is supposed to be super bad for them apparently. Yet Masaki had a full hollow inside her for several years.
This explanation keeps getting better and better.
Easy enough to explain:
Ichigo is magic ==> Ichigo has a Mother ==> His mother is his mother so, much like him, she is magic.
You have to believe in magic or it just doesn't work. _Kubo just wants you to believe in the magic.
And on a naruto related note: Can anyone expain to me why Jiraya forced Naruto down the same path as Obito? For the life of me (like most of naruto) i can't remember._