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sanji for two consecutive arcs has clashed with the strongest villain,do you guys have any idea why oda made it that way?
Sanji clashed with Ener and Lucci too.
Zoro clashed with Arlong, Ener, and pretty much defeated Hody temporarily even.
Oda is just displaying the relative talents of the other two monsters when he can.
@dead:
sanji for two consecutive arcs has clashed with the strongest villain,do you guys have any idea why oda made it that way?
Anyone with a strong passion for women and nakama like Sanji, are going to get in a lot of fights and there going to be strong of course
I know that Nami and Usopp aren't the strongest characters around. Usopp is an expert marksman, and Fujitora said something about thunder in the distance with no noticeable clouds. I wonder if Nami and Usopp might assist Sanji to handle Doflamingo. They may not be up to par in terms of strength, but teamwork and strategy may enable them to escape safely.
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/723/2086/14 (Where Fujitora and Law talk about the thunder and Nami being able to control weather)
Also would this make Doflamingo an Aerial fighter since he must stay above the water at all times? Or Would his strings become a platform almost like the ground.
Usopp with robin under Flower Field … how can be with Nami in Green Bit
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@dead:
sanji for two consecutive arcs has clashed with the strongest villain,do you guys have any idea why oda made it that way?
he want him to Shine …
Next week they'll be in mourning.
I hope not, but it would be worth seeing KoL's video if it happens.
I sooooo loved this chapter!! The most amazing part is Sanji saving the crew and ship from Doflamingo! That entrance! And he had diablo jambe… just fantastic! I'm excited for the next chapter :)
Since he was planning to fight on the bridge all alone I'm sure that with a little he won't feel the need to go there. He really don't want dofla to meddle in what's happening in dressrosa.
But I wonder if Dofla will even be interest in fighting rather than go to Dressrosa since Sanji being there means things ain't going well.
Well yeah, I assume that now that Sanji is there with Doflamingo, Law is gonna have to fight Fujitora for the time being and he's probably going to ask Sanji why is he there and blah blah blah but the fight won't go as easy as Doflamingo may think (I guess)
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he want him to Shine ...
I totally forgot, thanks for reminding me. Sorry for wrong information!
this is sanji at his most badass, and courageous. i'm thrilled.
it really does look like dofla tanked that hit, and was not happy about it. sanji altogether snuck up on him while screaming (extreme speed), and put dofla on the defensive, and his body language: chest vein, facial expression, yet lack of any visible damage done to dofla, spells, to me, that sanji actually matched him here, and oda didn't want to directly show it. yes, what dofla said after could be sarcastic, but he was also just talking about how he's not going to underestimate the strawhats.
sanji's quarrel with vergo comes in to question, namely, the damage sanji mentally noted to us. vergo was shown to have powerful armament, more than we have ever seen a strawhat go up against. there is also the theory that vergo was also a metal fruit user. in any case, the damage could be subjective in vergo's favor, perhaps his armament is top teir in the world? he's certainly someone unique if he's joker's lapdog. i wouldn't be suprised if dofla remarks about sanji and vergo's fight, complimenting sanji.
now sanji is going up against one of the most mysterious and seemingly hax devil fruits, the "fifth yonkou" and someone with conqueror's haki. we don't even really know what that means in terms of attacks either, because we've only seen luffy use it and what happens to the other person, not vice versa. i think sanji's own spirit will be strong enough, especially traveling with luffy and believing in luffy and being so selfless himself, especially in this situation, as i think this is sanji's greatest moment so far, and it's not over yet.
i know that we don't know much of anything that happened during everyone's two years, but i believe we've seen nothing yet, and will be really surprised soon enough.
whew, thanks. i really needed to bust that fanboy nut somewhere on the internet. i just loved this chapter. i freaked out when the sunny took damage, and i truly got upset and panicked when doflamingo went for the ship. it's sad, but those guys are just helpless against him. law was really impressive, zoro and kinemon are about to screw this tournament up and dofla's plan in a big way soon too. this arc has been great.
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Do you guys think that there's a possibility in Bartolomeo becoming twisted with his worship for the SH?
I kinda felt creeped out by Bartolomeo's facial expression in this chapter…
Like the villains in Incredibles and Iron Man 3, if Luffy (or Zoro) somehow rejects his love (or fandom) towards them, he might suddenly turn against them??
(Robin's ability would be able to counter him right?)
Anyways, its just a possibility and it might not happen at all.
In that case, I always saw Bartolomeo's ability as a quite a convenient defense against Fujitora's meteors.
But now that its (almost) revealed that Fujitora uses gravity, not very sure..
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Fujitora was distracted when the marine soldier screamed when dofl was squeezing his heart and law told fuji if u let your guard down for one sec i will be able to escape
Oh, I think you are right.
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the "fifth yonkou"
Was that really ever confirmed?
Not that I disagree, it's been said he's the most dangerous Shichibukai.
And it would be nice for Oda to set up such a crew and boss who could be a believable stepping stone from where the Strawhats are not toward something more capable of Yonkou challenging.
Could this clash between Sanji and DD also bring up some info on North Blue?
We don't know very much about North Blue and they're both from there. Plus, it would be interesting to know how DD ended up pirating there or more of Sanji's past.
Doflamingo probably realized by now that most of his traps failed, since Sanji's right in front of him and the sunny team got Jora captured instead. He might end up rushing things now, try to retrieve CC which is his primary goal, then head to Dressrosa. Nami, Brook and Chopper should be able to help Sanji against Doflamingo, since he's focused on Sanji, while waiting for Law to teleport CC to the sunny. The main problem here is Fujitora, he can easily sink the sunny or send meteors, unless Law can distract him enough to buy time for the sunny to use coup de burst.
If anyone can be the "Fifth Yonkou" (besides the unified marine power, but it's wrong to call them that being non pirates, the consideration is only because of their power and influence), It can only be Doflamingo, he has a strong base of power in Dressrosa, but there's no indication of control over other islands.-
@Monkey:
Was that really ever confirmed?
Not that I disagree, it's been said he's the most dangerous Shichibukai.
And it would be nice for Oda to set up such a crew and boss who could be a believable stepping stone from where the Strawhats are not toward something more capable of Yonkou challenging.
no confirmation (hence the quotes), but broker of the underworld is a heavy title, and the implications even weightier. we've seen dofla's influence span more than any other warlord or emperor. and just saying, i'm sure he has a way to deal with kaidou himself if he has to, i think law's major problem with his plan is that he's counting on this hurting dofla as much as he thinks it will. it's strategic, but i don't think it will be so cut and dry if it happens. i think doflamingo just wants revenge more than anything.
@mr. pink, hadn't thought about north blue! that would be a great way to get into sanji's weakspots, revealing something about his past or heritage he himself doesn't know. but then i see dofla fumbling by mentioning violet, which i'm sure he will since sanji should not be in the picture right now, and that empowering sanji again.
@iceman i think that despite all that, we'll still see doflamingo try to use his "pace" on sanji, for plot reasons (hate that defense) so sanji isn't massacred like smoker (or exactly that will happen), and because dofla still sees himself as in control of the situation.
Do you guys think that there's a possibility in Bartolomeo becoming twisted with his worship for the SH?
I kinda felt creeped out by Bartolomeo's facial expression in this chapter…
Like the villains in Incredibles and Iron Man 3, if Luffy (or Zoro) somehow rejects his love (or fandom) towards them, he might suddenly turn against them??
(Robin's ability would be able to counter him right?)Anyways, its just a possibility and it might not happen at all.
In that case, I always saw Bartolomeo's ability as a quite a convenient defense against Fujitora's meteors.
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Oh, I think you are right.
The strawhats won't do that though. They may look at him and be like "Erm ok" but they won't push him back.
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@sereques agree with you on this
bartolomeo turning: ew, hope that doesn't happen.
we know he is super unpopular, and apparently a cannibal, but we don't have confirmation on this. i hope it's not true, cause i adored that other crew member's design (can't remember his name, he had nunchucks and got ko'd by that marine that got ko'd).
his crew seems to be based on the worship of the strawhats' hyperbolic feats of cruelty. when he sees them for who they really are, i see his crew as being reformed and empowered. they will ask for forgiveness etc., and be kind of like the flying fish riders.
The strawhats won't do that though. They may look at him and be like "Erm ok" but they won't push him back.
Okay, so no faults from SH. Perhaps Bartolomeo might be disappointed in them for something they normally do..? Eh….on second thought, if Bartolomeo loved them for being who they are I don't see how he'll be disappointed. Ok.
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Barto is an ally, I don't see any other side to him. Dressrosa is growing into a big mess and SHs need all the hands they can get. All those cool looking Doflamingo crew members, the SHs can't beat them all.
I don't see how Doflamingo could be a 5th Yonko, he hasn't conquered any other land besides Dressrosa from what we know so far on top of him pissing his pants when Law mentioned Kaido. It also does seem like everything is going to turn upside down, in a level worse than Marine Ford with everyone getting involved. I have to feel bad for the citizens of Dressrosa.
Perhaps Barto doesn't really know who they are, the WG has an incentive in altering perception of who the SH's really are. I doubt they want the world to know that the SH's do good things (helping Alabasta), i could see Barto being disappointed to learn the SH's are not like most pirates. Especially if that is why he likes them.
@MR.:
Could this clash between Sanji and DD also bring up some info on North Blue?
We don't know very much about North Blue and they're both from there. Plus, it would be interesting to know how DD ended up pirating there or more of Sanji's past.
Doflamingo is not from North Blue.
Barto is an ally, I don't see any other side to him. Dressrosa is growing into a big mess and SHs need all the hands they can get. All those cool looking Doflamingo crew members, the SHs can't beat them all.
Fair enough. I always thought the participants of Colosseum were going to be allies.
Perhaps Barto doesn't really know who they are, the WG has an incentive in altering perception of who the SH's really are. I doubt they want the world to know that the SH's do good things (helping Alabasta), i could see Barto being disappointed to learn the SH's are not like most pirates. Especially if that is why he likes them.
Well it was made obvious that Barto likes Luffy because he thinks Luffy is the chosen one, that Luffy is destined to be pirate king after he witnessed lightening saving Luffy from Buggy.. Not because of the news or what Luffy has done.
Anyway this chapter is saying- Doflamingo has weak COO haki or that Fujitora COO haki is just that above Dofla's.
The only person I could call or consider as a 5th yonko is DRAGON, Dragon has been confirmed liberating and taking over countless of islands but me personally believes he's above a yonko in influence…
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CC for nakama.
Well it was made obvious that Barto likes Luffy because he thinks Luffy is the chosen one, that Luffy is destined to be pirate king after he witnessed lightening saving Luffy from Buggy.. Not because of the news or what Luffy has done.
Anyway this chapter is saying- Doflamingo has weak COO haki or that Fujitora COO haki is just that above Dofla's.
The only person I could call or consider as a 5th yonko is DRAGON, Dragon has been confirmed liberating and taking over countless of islands but me personally believes he's above a yonko in influence…
Where was it stated that Dragon has taken over islands as opposed to just liberating them and putting them in a position to thrive on their own?
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Where was it stated that Dragon has taken over islands as opposed to just liberating them and putting them in a position to thrive on their own?
This could just be a semantics issue since if Dragon liberated the island it effectively becomes like his own in a way. Either he installs some of his own revoluntionary army soldiers at the country to defend against any attempts by the previous opposing force at power grabs again or the newly liberated people become his new followers stationed on the island. From what we saw with the Sabo flashback arc Dragon was offering the people at the trash pile to join him plus he has conquerers haki so seems like the people he meets follow him.
I do think he's the closest to a 5th Yonkou as well as the previous poster.
Where was it stated that Dragon has taken over islands as opposed to just liberating them and putting them in a position to thrive on their own?
TAKE control of the island, put it under his protection until the people are strong enough to stand on their own. What's the difference between liberating and taking over islands in one piece??
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If I recall correctly, Chopper never really used his ability to find another person's weakness post Time-Skip, right?
Is there any chance he might give Sanji some hint on how to face Doflamingo?
Or is that Law's job…
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Chopper hasn't use that ability since Sky Island.
@Monkey:
Doflamingo is not from North Blue.
Which is weird, because everyone who works for him seems to be from North Blue, LOL.
Little theory buzzing around in my head. Feel free to share your thoughts on it. Good or bad.
So Doflamingos birthday is October 23rd right? I don't know about most of you, but I usually get the chapter on Wednesday. This year, the 23rd is a Wednesday. Could Oda maybe be about to give us a big reveal about Doflamingo? It is Doflamingo's birthday after all.
Little theory buzzing around in my head. Feel free to share your thoughts on it. Good or bad.
So Doflamingos birthday is October 23rd right? I don't know about most of you, but I usually get the chapter on Wednesday. This year, the 23rd is a Wednesday. Could Oda maybe be about to give us a big reveal about Doflamingo? It is Doflamingo's birthday after all.
Pretty sure we get the chapter on Wednesday. Jump is released earlier thats why the spoilers come before the chapter.
Little theory buzzing around in my head. Feel free to share your thoughts on it. Good or bad.
So Doflamingos birthday is October 23rd right? I don't know about most of you, but I usually get the chapter on Wednesday. This year, the 23rd is a Wednesday. Could Oda maybe be about to give us a big reveal about Doflamingo? It is Doflamingo's birthday after all.
The chapters we get on Wednesday is illegal, the original chapters is released on monday.. So chapter 723 is not even yet out in jump…
in Japan it is not Wednesday when chapter comes out…
Ok. Well thanks for clearing that up for me. Been wondering that for about a week lol
I can totally picture Luffy telling him he doesn't like him or that he's stupid or even both.
Luffy just doesn't tell someone "I don't like you", that person has to do something Luffy doesn't like.. So I see Luffy laughing the entire time Bart does something.
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in Japan it is not Wednesday when chapter comes out…
Not only in Japan… Weekly jump releases sametime in Japan and U.S.
TAKE control of the island, put it under his protection until the people are strong enough to stand on their own. What's the difference between liberating and taking over islands in one piece??
See here's the thing. We don't have proof that he does either thing. We don't know much about how the Revolutionaries operate in most islands, and how Dragon operates. It's baseless.
This could just be a semantics issue since if Dragon liberated the island it effectively becomes like his own in a way. Either he installs some of his own revoluntionary army soldiers at the country to defend against any attempts by the previous opposing force at power grabs again or the newly liberated people become his new followers stationed on the island. From what we saw with the Sabo flashback arc Dragon was offering the people at the trash pile to join him plus he has conquerers haki so seems like the people he meets follow him.
I do think he's the closest to a 5th Yonkou as well as the previous poster.
We know that some will come and join him, but other than that, we're working with assumptions. As a guy who seems to be all about freeing others, I don't see military occupation after the fact could serve that goal.
@mr. pink, hadn't thought about north blue! that would be a great way to get into sanji's weakspots, revealing something about his past or heritage he himself doesn't know. but then i see dofla fumbling by mentioning violet, which i'm sure he will since sanji should not be in the picture right now, and that empowering sanji again.
I always wondered why DD had a Spanish name but was designed after a French musician. I would like to see why he went to North Blue, and if there were any other kingdoms there based on real world culture. Maybe France. Could tie into Sanji's theme and a possible connection with DD. It just feels like their confrontation might have more too it than the fight itself.
@Monkey:
Doflamingo is not from North Blue.
I meant when he pirated there. It seems he started out in North Blue.
Is that supposed to be Sanji's Den Den Mushi in the bottom left panel? 'Cause it looks like it has a swirl on the bottom.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/198129/one-piece_ch723_by_powermanga/3
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If someone seriously claimed that Whitebeard was running a vibrator business as his second job you'd ignore him as a troll.
@krule274:
Is that supposed to be Sanji's Den Den Mushi in the bottom left panel? 'Cause it lloks like it has a swirl on the bottom.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/198129/one-piece_ch723_by_powermanga/3
Yes, most likely, but it looks a bit different from the old one…
Did not read through the entire thread, but has anyone mentioned the possibility of Sanji being puppetted by DD? A truly interesting interaction is possible, with DD in control, for Sanji to attack his own crew, much like Atmos. Will he honor his "rather die than hitting a lady?" For Sanji, being forced to strike Nami would be torturous…
Did not read through the entire thread, but has anyone mentioned the possibility of Sanji being puppetted by DD? A truly interesting interaction is possible, with DD in control, for Sanji to attack his own crew, much like Atmos. Will he honor his "rather die than hitting a lady?" For Sanji, being forced to strike Nami would be torturous…
Yes and I see happening. After all, DD was about to control Atmos and Jozu during the war. I don't see Sanji breaking out of it either, maybe Law will help.
^ Could Law theoretically cut Doffy's "strings" with his own DF?
If Doffy tried to use Sanji as a puppet and tried to hit Nami with him I am like 110% sure he will be able to resist Doflamingo and it will be GLORIOUS
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Game of thrones is a horrible story for people who like for the better men to prevail. Jamie and the Starks as well as other characters are the favorite characters. If you know anything about GOT, all of the favorite characters are going to be killed, sent into obscurity, or shit on in some other manner. Every good guy or good character in GOT is doomed. The Author loves killing off his best characters. I hate GOT for that. All the interesting stuff that can happen and the Author just decides to go for shock value of having every good guy fail miserably every single time. GOT has interesting characters, but it has major flaws because it kills off or banishes all the favorites.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
"… a horrible story for people who like for better men to prevail."... What in the fuck? For better men to prevail? I'd like for you to list the "better men". Please.
"Jaime and the Starks as well as the other characters are the favorite characters"...What? So how many characters are the "other characters"? That could be three characters to the hundreds mentioned in the books. You sound like you only like Jaime and the Starks, but because they're fucked at the moment the story all of a sudden has become horrible.
"If you know anything about GOT..." And you're proving you don't know shit about the series.
"...all of the favorite characters are going to be killed, sent into obscurity, or shit on in some other manner. Every good guy or good character in GOT is doomed. The Author loves killing off his best characters. I hate GOT for that."
Your favorite characters are not necessarily other people's favorite characters. And generally, if a character dies in the series, it has HUGE consequences that other characters have to take note of. For example: the beheading of Ned Stark due to "high treason", his death signaled the beginning of the series, the rise of the North, Stannis Baratheon's quest for the throne, Renly Baratheon's quest for the throne, Balon Greyjoy's rebellion, etc. Ned Stark's death should have warned you right then and there that this isn't some happy-go-lucky story where the seemingly good guys win. Hell, Ned's death was CLEARLY foreshadowed in Bran's FIRST chapter, which is the very first chapter of the entire series after the prologue.
Every good guy or character is not doomed. Arya is not doomed, Sansa is not doomed, Sandor Clegane is not doomed, Davos Seaworth is not doomed. Your point doesn't have any basis. At most you can say that the "good" characters have a much more difficult time than the "bad" characters since the War of the Five Kings. And Martin's best characters are still alive, which in my opinion is Arya Stark, who is one cold hearted young girl.
I think you're trying to find happy endings in this saga, when frankly this saga is very realistic in terms of consequences, hence happy endings are incredibly difficult to come by. Whenever something bad happens to the "good" characters, it is because someone else out-played them and they paid the ultimate price, which is very much in line with this type of story.
This story is grim, it's not friendly, it's dark with blood magic and human sacrifices, where good and evil are often flipped or intertwined and appear blended together at times. There is death everywhere in this series, and it touches all the characters in some way, not one character in Ice and Fire is living a completely care-free life…everything is on the line at all times. That's what makes it so interesting, nothing is guaranteed, anything within reason can happen. And if anything out of the blue happens (like the Red Wedding), just know that it didn't happen "for shock value", it's been well foreshadowed, and you most likely missed it.
Has someone already mentioned the possibility that Doflamingo might control Sanji and attack Law to get CC back?
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No. Nobody has mentioned Doflamingo trying to control Sanji?
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