like what he said ^. That sounds awesome. I'd totally buy that. The goal of life isn't to be at the top forever. Its to achieve goal and pass down what you have learnt to the new generation. E.g. Whitebeard wanting to save even one of his sons from the new era.
Chapter 652: "Grim Prospects Ahead" -Discussion
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I've got a feeling that Zoro will stop making fun of Sanji and his behavior with women, when he (Zoro) will be confronted to Tashigi: he is way stronger than her, but he won't be able to seriously fight her…
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Why not when the WG can use them like the Shichibukai are using them.Also they maybe need more Reliable and capable hands to deal with other matters, Such as places in the world which they need to protect from pirates or revolutionaries. The Shichibukai are better used for the task of War.
Your not the first to misunderstand my words, most of you guys are claiming this for me "7Warlords+Marines = 4Yonkou"(WHICH IS NOT TRUE) you aren't reading my post., "The Shichibukai All 7 on the Marines Side + Marines To Counter All 4 Yonkou" Counter does not mean to Defeat All 4 at Once or Even Take on All 4 To a Stalemate. Counter Can be Interpreted in many different ways than.
The WG would be Destroyed by the Yonkou if they ever unite.(IF we include Whitebeard as 1 of the 4 Yonkou in to this).
Also Your forgetting How much of a difference I am Suggesting their is between each Yonkou, Especially the Individuals the Captains.
Theirs a HUGE GAP Between Yonkou WB The Worlds Strongest Man than the Rest of them.
Whitebeard Alone with his second Title Makes that huge jump in Strength/power.
The Worlds Strongest Man Title Separates Whitebeard From the Rest of the Yonkou.
This whole discussion Started because people were using whitebeard as a Measuring stick for the Power of the rest of the Yonkou as INDIVIDUALS.
You cannot use Whitebeard to Gauge the power of the other Captains/Individuals the Yonkou Such as Shanks/Kaido/BM when they do not share the Title of the Strongest Man or Women in the World.They only share the Titles of Emperors.
**Whitebeard(the Individual) had no equal during the end of his life.**This alone is a HUGE GAP.Some of you were saying if the marines were as am suggesting them to be than the Yonkou wouldn't Exist, However they can dwell in territories where the WG has NO AUTHORITY The New World. The New World pretty much Belongs to the Yonkou.
The Yonkou aren't the only threat to the WG, there is a more threatening force to the WG who is Dragon/Revolutionaries.
Than there are Thousands of Pirates Fodders and Hundreds of Worthy and capable and Threatening Pirates and a Handful of Serious contenders who may be capable of giveing a Yonkou a tough time and in the near future even take such a title.
The World government has to be capable of dealing with all of this.They have to be as powerful as I'm suggesting in order for them to stabilize the world from chaos.Also they cannot leave some of the post they have set up in the world or else Pirates or Revolutionaries will take advantage and take over.
The Marines cannot simply send their entire force or even half to deal with the 1 or 2 yonkou in the New World when they have so much to look after.
Perfect Example is Whitebeard. They brought him out instead of going in.
If they aren't at least as strong as this "The Shichibukai All 7 on the Marines Side + Marines To Counter All 4 Yonkou", than the WG wouldn't exist.
Also notice From the Statement that Jinbei made about Losing Aoikiji was a great lose,Not only him but Sengoku and Garp as well, "However to fill in that gap the Government gave the Marines unforseen Power. The Headquarters has become an even Stronger Army of Justice Under Akainu."
The WG Shouldnt be underestimated.Sorry if hadn't made it clear, I was Saying WB allies the 40 + captains he brought ARE part of his Influence the People Luffy brought are not.
Offcourse the Marines expected WB the YONKOU(His entire Influence) is coming.Agreed, so I hope we can finally drop Shanks and Mihawk.
I was trying to say had Blackbeard Accepted Shanks request to fight and the battle raged. The world government wouldnt be on the sides watching… atleast not for long until they could see that ethier Shanks is weakened and Blackbeard has fallen or that they simply have a 3 way battle royal...
I guess your right and its safe to say No one would win cause its a no go situation to start with.I dont think they allowed it.... No one wanted to go near the guy or even attack him from range or he might have busted out another earthquake.
I agree with everything else you said afterwards.
THE world government i think is really powerful but not the marines. The marines + the 7 shichibukai couldn't even hold a candle against whitebear and his crew+ allies with whitebeard at his best. WB is accpeted by both sengoku and garp as the strongest man (meaning the strongest they met-fought against) so that means hes actually stronger than both garp and sengoku.
Oda had to turn one of WB's own him against him to justify WB's loss against the marines that says that Oda wanted to show us that WB at his best day could've blown Marineford right where he stood lol. -
I guess they mean their very purpose : indicating the level of "fear" from the World Gouvernement.
Eg. Pekoms leave Big Mum and go searching for the Ancient Weapons with a few friends, his level of threat towards the WG clearly increased, compared to being a nice lil' soldier of Big Mum.I think right now their bounties are more impressive than Luffy's.he accumulated the bounties through little more than their own strength like from what we've seen all he does is go island to island and collect candy still that warrants 300 million. Usually it takes having a crew and being ridiculously strong or outrageous to get that bounty yet he did it as a messenger.
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Maybe Pekoms is Big Mams greatest fighter and just likes to be a messenger.
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Yeah right…
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Maybe Pekoms is big mom, kind of a keyser söze deal
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Its what gets him off.
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Turns out, Big Mom is really small and hides in Baron Tamago's pants.
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I don't think anyone mentioned it but the chapter basically guarentees jimbei joining now rather than later
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Maybe the new changes in the Marines are that the "Wanteds" are no more "Death or Alive" but "Death". And the marines have the power now to kill pirates.
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Eh, you're making assumptions about the Rev Army there, we still don't know the full extent of their capabilities.
By saying "I will admit" I was obviously saying "I'll admit for the sake of arguing" which clearly showed I was making an harmless assumption about their power for the sake of arguing, as it would reforce my point that "WG can't waste man power" if the Rev Army had more power than the World Governent.
Still its difficult to believe in that, at least in the grand line (paradise) the World Government seemed to have total control.
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Except the marines always had the power to use lethal force if necessary, it didn't seem to me like those 200 captains that attacked the Straw Hat crew were trying to hard not to kill them. Maybe now they're more encourajed to do it. Which is pretty likely seeing Akainu is the one in charge. But that alone wouldn't really do it.
Wanted's being "death or alive" has a meaning. And Akainu seems like the kind of guy who likes to expose heads in the public plaza. Maybe he took down the devaluing of dead heads.
The big change in the marines must be something big. A hunch I have is that he gave a Devil Fruit to all marines above "ensign", or maybe he decided to teach Haki to everyone above ensign. Well, I don't know. -
Maybe the new changes in the Marines are that the "Wanteds" are no more "Death or Alive" but "Death". And the marines have the power now to kill pirates.
I think they were allowed to kill them anyways. I think that "change" is something bigger or ore complex.
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I don't think anyone mentioned it but the chapter basically guarentees jimbei joining now rather than later
he better. nobody wants to see his blue ass tag along.
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WB is accpeted by both sengoku and garp as the strongest man (meaning the strongest they met-fought against) so that means hes actually stronger than both garp and sengoku.
.but Garp supposedly=Roger, cornering him plenty of times and such. Sengoku I'm guessing is weaker but at least garp=roger=whitebeard
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but Garp supposedly=Roger, cornering him plenty of times and such. Sengoku I'm guessing is weaker but at least garp=roger=whitebeard
Where is brennen?
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It will be interesting to see if Smoker can actually fight instead of relying on his intangibility to act as his defense. Smoker technically has two wins to Luffy's zero so if they do draw in their upcoming fight it will still leave smoker with the upper hand, so I am really looking forward to how Oda will handle that confrontation.
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^It will be interesting.
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Actually I won't have it any other way then Luffy pwning his ass.
I'm very intense on things because other SuperNovas made it in New World for 2 years without a training arc like Strawhats did.
And we know Strawhats are doing well on hard situations as crew. So if Supernovas did it then Strawhats should have been to.
Because of that I want a gap between Strawhats and Supernovas/Smoker. -
If Luffy beats Smoker well then what would be the point of Smoker from that point? Everyone would just think Luffy would win over and over and that wouldn't be any fun! I think it'd be a fun twist if Smoker wanted to ask Luffy for something or needed his help or something of that nature. But, of course, if they do fight it'll sure be fun :)
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I know but the whole training arc seems more and more meaningless. It's like Oda wanted to skip it not like they needed to train.
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I know but the whole training arc seems more and more meaningless. It's like Oda wanted to skip it not like they needed to train.
I hope Oda introduces Smoker to us as a top-tier Vice Admiral.But we see how much stronger Luffy has really gotten with Hody. He's the most underrated villian in this series. Fishmen are 10x stronger than humans, correct? That's why Luffy had such a hard time with Arlong. Now Arlong was even stronger than the normal fishmen, so let's assume he was about 30 or 40 times stronger than a human. (Of course this is all speculation) It was a great fight and Luffy had a very hard time beating him. Now Hody isn't the ordinary fishman either. I would assume he was at least as strong as Arlong pre-drug, but people may highly disagree. So let's assume Hody is 20x stronger than a human compared to Arlong's 40x. With one pill he would reach Arlong's strength. Of course we know Hody didn't stop there, because he ate them like candy. We'll assume he ate 10 when he fought Luffy. This means he was 200x stronger than a human and 5 times stronger than Arlong.
I know that this is FILLED with assumptions but if they are close to being correct, then Luffy just beat a character AT LEAST 5 times stronger than Arlong, and we all remember how tough of a fight that was. Obviously Luffy has improved a ridiculous amount.
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I agree with Myu on the point that if Luffy in any kind of way gets beaten by someone right after this training stuff it will be really downgrading everything. SN have made it for these two years so at least they have 2 years of New World experience that SH's dont, in terms of strength they should have by all rights progressed more than the SN crews and therefor if they will stumble on the first connection with NW it will be cheap. Luffy did it because he never wanted to be so helpless again, Luffy did it so he will be able, that they will be able to protect their dreams and eachother and no matter WHAT or WHO comes they will be ready.
So it is my belief that Luffy and the crew are incredibly strong now, it is just that we will learn it bit by bit.
I am also interested what will the deal with Smoker be but imo it wont be as simple as one of them pwning another. Either it will be a grand escape by the SH's or there will be a strong curve ball thrown by Oda.
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I agree with Myu on the point that if Luffy in any kind of way gets beaten by someone right after this training stuff it will be really downgrading everything. SN have made it for these two years so at least they have 2 years of New World experience that SH's dont, in terms of strength they should have by all rights progressed more than the SN crews and therefor if they will stumble on the first connection with NW it will be cheap. Luffy did it because he never wanted to be so helpless again, Luffy did it so he will be able, that they will be able to protect their dreams and eachother and no matter WHAT or WHO comes they will be ready.
So it is my belief that Luffy and the crew are incredibly strong now, it is just that we will learn it bit by bit.
I am also interested what will the deal with Smoker be but imo it wont be as simple as one of them pwning another. Either it will be a grand escape by the SH's or there will be a strong curve ball thrown by Oda.
He may not want to fight luffy (unlikely)
Fight may be draw neither win or loose
Fight could get interuptedi agree with you luffy shouldn't loose for a while but i think Smoker is the new garp so i don't see a loss on his side
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If he defeats a Yonkou out of nowhere it will be worse than him losing. I just believe there is a reaaaaaaaa~~~~~~~~(….)lly big strength gap between where he was before time-skip and where the Yonkou's are (as any one in his right mind would), so Luffy can be somewhere above the Super Nova without beating the shit out of a Yonkou.
Now, smoker is suposed to be something like Garp was to Luffy. He was always stronger than Luffy, and so if Luffy isn't flatout pwning him just because he trained 2 years won't be a bad thing. I do believe [medium] Vice Admiral strength is where he is now. Since the top Vice Admirals must be below admiral in rank only, and the lower are just strategists.
Now I have lots of faith in the power of a Vice Admiral, those guys are the second strongest tier in the marines (fleet admiral and above are more of a respect than power thing), and I laugh at the idea of them being pushovers, and two of them flat out pwn Luffy with no effort whatsoever, so keeping is ground against one should be no problem."Yeah yeah but Smoker did not train 2 years with RAYLEAGH, FUCKING RAYLEAGH"
Rayleagh is no potion to success. 2 years of real new world experience shouldn't be too far below that.
The point is, surviving those two years at Luffy's current state would be almost impossible.I'll be happy if only 2 or 3 Super Nova are still captains of their own crew.
And even those should have lost something. Kidd probably lost an arm, and it seems like Kid left the crew (there were some theories about it when the pic with their designs first appeard), and every other should have lost some members. They don't have to be weaker in power, they just have to have lost something for that power.Smoker is the exception, he is no pirate, and when he first entered G5 there must have been some Vice Admiral protecting his weak ass against haki users, despite his stubborn complaints. And he did gain a couple of scars.
With this jump Luffy avoided putting his crew into high danger. You can just put this exact situation with another Vice Admiral waiting for them. They would have to runaway, and even that would be difficult. With the timeskip they can probably deal with it.Obviously it would be the greatest anti-climax to have them lose again. But it would be no better to remove the sense of threat from any marine but the admirals and fleet admiral Akainu by flatout owning a Vice Admiral. Oda will have to find an equilibrium between too strong and too weak. Too strong and the drama is removed, too weak and its a wasted time skip.
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It will be interesting to see if Smoker can actually fight instead of relying on his intangibility to act as his defense. Smoker technically has two wins to Luffy's zero so if they do draw in their upcoming fight it will still leave smoker with the upper hand, so I am really looking forward to how Oda will handle that confrontation.
Smoker was already stronger than Luffy in their fist confrontation without needing to use his DF. He even mentioned it himself in loguetown.
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I don't want either of them to win. I want them to have a brief fight for Smoker to see how Luffy's progressed and then I want luffy and crew to jump over the ship using Coup de Burst.
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I don't want either of them to win. I want them to have a brief fight for Smoker to see how Luffy's progressed and then I want luffy and crew to jump over the ship using Coup de Burst.
Thats a pretty good idea, Coup de Burst is what i've been waiting for.. or a special Jimbei HADOGEN from the bottom of the sea… or maybe some of the sea monsters that we've seen the past chapters...
And I also except smoker doin' something really BADASS, like: COUP DE BROUILLARD:ninja: lol, (its french, guess you'd understand what it means) and the guy would be next to them in coup de burst mode! Smoker can FLY! Just like crocodile!
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@gotta<3OP:
If he defeats a Yonkou out of nowhere it will be worse than him losing. I just believe there is a reaaaaaaaa~~~~~~~~(….)lly big strength gap between where he was before time-skip and where the Yonkou's are (as any one in his right mind would), so Luffy can be somewhere above the Super Nova without beating the shit out of a Yonkou.
Now, smoker is suposed to be something like Garp was to Luffy. He was always stronger than Luffy, and so if Luffy isn't flatout pwning him just because he trained 2 years won't be a bad thing. I do believe [medium] Vice Admiral strength is where he is now. Since the top Vice Admirals must be below admiral in rank only, and the lower are just strategists.
Now I have lots of faith in the power of a Vice Admiral, those guys are the second strongest tier in the marines (fleet admiral and above are more of a respect than power thing), and I laugh at the idea of them being pushovers, and two of them flat out pwn Luffy with no effort whatsoever, so keeping is ground against one should be no problem."Yeah yeah but Smoker did not train 2 years with RAYLEAGH, FUCKING RAYLEAGH"
Rayleagh is no potion to success. 2 years of real new world experience shouldn't be too far below that.
The point is, surviving those two years at Luffy's current state would be almost impossible.I'll be happy if only 2 or 3 Super Nova are still captains of their own crew.
And even those should have lost something. Kidd probably lost an arm, and it seems like Kid left the crew (there were some theories about it when the pic with their designs first appeard), and every other should have lost some members. They don't have to be weaker in power, they just have to have lost something for that power.Smoker is the exception, he is no pirate, and when he first entered G5 there must have been some Vice Admiral protecting his weak ass against haki users, despite his stubborn complaints. And he did gain a couple of scars.
With this jump Luffy avoided putting his crew into high danger. You can just put this exact situation with another Vice Admiral waiting for them. They would have to runaway, and even that would be difficult. With the timeskip they can probably deal with it.Obviously it would be the greatest anti-climax to have them lose again. But it would be no better to remove the sense of threat from any marine but the admirals and fleet admiral Akainu by flatout owning a Vice Admiral. Oda will have to find an equilibrium between too strong and too weak. Too strong and the drama is removed, too weak and its a wasted time skip.
I'd prefer the second over the first, but I believe that Oda will find a good midterm.We still don't know Smokers role, yeah he can be Garp- or he can serve some other role entirely and Coby be Garp. And what top VAs? None of the VAs have honestly been seen doing anything amazing or performing and feats of strength. The Admirals on the other hand… yeah. I can't see a single VA actually being Admiral level material considering the previous admirals. Also FA and and above is more of a respect thing? Really? Sengoku was a previous admiral, he was able to pin Garp to the ground, he fought Shiki, he's been shown to be an intelligent man, and with a simple palm thrust he was able to send the BB pirates flying a bit. What two VAs "pwnd" Luffy? Dalmatian and Momonga? They tag teamed an exhausted Luffy after he had went through ID, and had fought his way across the battlefield.
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I've said this once or twice before. It doesn't make too much sense for Luffy or Smoker to not be equals in strength, ambition, will, etc. Luffy can't be the only person in the series with the greatest ambition. There will be people equal to him, but because Luffy is a D. and it can be argued that he has luck and fate on his side, he'll never be captured. That is why, Smoker and Luffy, whenever they will fight, it will always result in a draw. This is my theory, but I don't really see it happening in any other way. It will be really fun to see a battle take a long time though. I'm waiting for that time to come in the manga. A fight that lasts at least longer than one day.
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OH, Here's a preview of the battle between Smoker and LUFFY !
LUFFY is the one wearing black and white! :ninja::ninja:
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@Deejay: can feel that cat's COc through the screen.
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We still don't know Smokers role, yeah he can be Garp- or he can serve some other role entirely and Coby be Garp. And what top VAs? None of the VAs have honestly been seen doing anything amazing or performing and feats of strength. The Admirals on the other hand… yeah. I can't see a single VA actually being Admiral level material considering the previous admirals. Also FA and and above is more of a respect thing? Really? Sengoku was a previous admiral, he was able to pin Garp to the ground, he fought Shiki, he's been shown to be an intelligent man, and with a simple palm thrust he was able to send the BB pirates flying a bit. What two VAs "pwnd" Luffy? Dalmatian and Momonga? They tag teamed an exhausted Luffy after he had went through ID, and had fought his way across the battlefield.
Smoker has more experience but Coby has more determination and is friends with luffy so Smoker = Sengoku in my eyes and Coby = Garp. I mean Garp was friends with Roger enough to protect his child. Sengoku was just badass when fighting Roger just like Smoker against Luffy
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Smoker has more experience but Coby has more determination and is friends with luffy so Smoker = Sengoku in my eyes and Coby = Garp. I mean Garp was friends with Roger enough to protect his child. Sengoku was just badass when fighting Roger just like Smoker against Luffy
Roger and Garp weren't "friends" in the traditional sense. They didn't have a Luffy-Coby relationship where they could have that much trust. Based on how Garp tells his relationship and what we've seen of Roger asking Garp to raise Ace, it seems to be a friendship solely formed around respect for each other because they were worthy adversary's. I think the best example of how this relationship is similar to Luffy and Smoker's is back in Alabasta, where Luffy had Zoro save Smoker from drowning. He doesn't like the guy, but he doesn't want him to die either.
Both respect each other as strong opponents, and I think by the end of the series we'll see them joking around about it(well, from Luffy's end anyway).
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He should have left him drown ;)
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But we see how much stronger Luffy has really gotten with Hody. He's the most underrated villian in this series. Fishmen are 10x stronger than humans, correct? That's why Luffy had such a hard time with Arlong. Now Arlong was even stronger than the normal fishmen, so let's assume he was about 30 or 40 times stronger than a human. (Of course this is all speculation) It was a great fight and Luffy had a very hard time beating him. Now Hody isn't the ordinary fishman either. I would assume he was at least as strong as Arlong pre-drug, but people may highly disagree. So let's assume Hody is 20x stronger than a human compared to Arlong's 40x. With one pill he would reach Arlong's strength. Of course we know Hody didn't stop there, because he ate them like candy. We'll assume he ate 10 when he fought Luffy. This means he was 200x stronger than a human and 5 times stronger than Arlong.
I know that this is FILLED with assumptions but if they are close to being correct, then Luffy just beat a character AT LEAST 5 times stronger than Arlong, and we all remember how tough of a fight that was. Obviously Luffy has improved a ridiculous amount.
Also, it was in the water which like doubles the speed and attack power i believe? and Luffy also managed to stay on guard well enough in the water to not allow anyone to really get hurt, and get his bubble popped.
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This is me being really late.
Gonbe seems to have changed more than Chimney in my recollection, but the biggest thing that sticks out to me is the lack of Kokoro. I wonder if she'll be featured with Iceburg, then.
So Jinbe's crew really is operating under the protection of Big Mom. I guess that's not so much of a shocker, but I wonder if the lack of candy will have an affect on them. Certainly Jinbe seceding and fighting alongside Luffy would end their agreement, but problems before they ever even get there could be interesting. It still seems like Big Mom will be an ally when it's all said and done.
Jinbe enjoys making flipfloppers flipflop from week to week I think.
The bomb plot thread is ok, but this whole thing seems odd to me. First, Fishman Island should have no trouble contacting Big Mom to tell her about the bomb ahead of time to avoid problems. Second, Luffy giving away the treasure after declaring war seems a little off to me.
Nami has come a long ways, not being intimidated by the prospect of fighting an emperor. I know she's more focused on the treasure, but in the past the prospect of such a clash would leave her crying in the corner. I didn't expect Franky to flip out over all this, that's new.
So Caribou really is part of a larger army. This sets him up well to fight one of the crew underneath the big 3. He can't possibly be a match for Sanji or Zoro anymore, at least. Not enough tension the way he's been getting stomped silly. I'm really curious how Shirahoshi is supposed to have an impact on the story once FI is left behind.
Pekoms is freaking awesome. I was wondering when the turtle zoan would pop up. At 330 mil that puts him likely under the top 5 of Big Mom's crew, yet he knows haki. Hmmm. This stuff might get pretty common in the New World.
Tashigi got a cool moment! I haven't seen that happen since her introduction. Up until now she basically just got beat up. Of course, she's doomed to be humiliated again soon.
Smoker is spawn camping pirates, lol. It looks as though he's earned a few battle scars over the past few years (eye and chest). He should be keenly aware of his vulnerability to haki, now. Also since he's a VA (most of us expected that I think), he should know haki for himself. The upcoming battle still seems pretty stacked against him, though, with him, Tashigi, and a bunch of fodder against 10 main characters. I never expected the New World marines to be portrayed as such ruthless murderers. Interesting.
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@Urouge i think shirahoshi will help the crew travel through calm belt :P And you know luffy :P he only dont give up sth if it is a food :P if the bags had food instead he would never give it up :P
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But we see how much stronger Luffy has really gotten with Hody. He's the most underrated villian in this series. Fishmen are 10x stronger than humans, correct? That's why Luffy had such a hard time with Arlong. Now Arlong was even stronger than the normal fishmen, so let's assume he was about 30 or 40 times stronger than a human. (Of course this is all speculation) It was a great fight and Luffy had a very hard time beating him. Now Hody isn't the ordinary fishman either. I would assume he was at least as strong as Arlong pre-drug, but people may highly disagree. So let's assume Hody is 20x stronger than a human compared to Arlong's 40x. With one pill he would reach Arlong's strength. Of course we know Hody didn't stop there, because he ate them like candy. We'll assume he ate 10 when he fought Luffy. This means he was 200x stronger than a human and 5 times stronger than Arlong.
I know that this is FILLED with assumptions but if they are close to being correct, then Luffy just beat a character AT LEAST 5 times stronger than Arlong, and we all remember how tough of a fight that was. Obviously Luffy has improved a ridiculous amount.
I agree with you, Hody is VERY underrated. Even more than you think, cause you got your math wrong :P
Each pill doubles the user strenght. So the correct thing would be 10 x 2^10 = 10240. So basically if Hody was a normal fishman (which he wasn't), with only 10 times the strenght of a normal human, and if he took only ten pills (which he didn't, he ate way more), he would be 10240 times stronger than a normal human. If you consider that these values are waaaaay sub-estimated, and also the fact that Hody was fighting underwater (where Luffy is at disadvantage and Hody is at advantage) then it is quite easy to understand just how fearsome Hody was.
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i wonder if kokoro is Iceburg new secretary..
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and Luffy is Luffy.. treasure is not important to him.. nothing odd about him giving it away.. it is odd if other more rational and mature character doing that..
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This is me being really late.
So Caribou really is part of a larger army. This sets him up well to fight one of the crew underneath the big 3. He can't possibly be a match for Sanji or Zoro anymore, at least. Not enough tension the way he's been getting stomped silly. I'm really curious how Shirahoshi is supposed to have an impact on the story once FI is left behind.I have a feeling the crew will back track now if only because of the Caribou issue. What ever happens at the end of the Big Mom saga(fight or no fight) The Straw Hat flag is bound to be plastered all over the place. Not that they would travel back just to stick their flag on the wall, but it seems to me that Shirahoshi could be in immediate danger once the threat of Big Mom is over with. Be it from Doflamingo or who ever Caribou's "boss" is I could see Shirahoshi being the center of the story long before the series ending war.
That and reverie. Before I was completely against back tracking, but now the way things are laid out, I wouldn't put it past Oda.
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They really needed that money to buy new crap in the New World too aww
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Is it possible that Caribou will give the information to join Black Beard, who is considered one of the Yonkou?
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actually if u remember they have loooots of money from the thriller bark treasure sure im sure they spent some for new provisions but no way they spent even half of that massive treasure pile
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The amount of money the crew have is kind of irrelevant in my opinion… I mean, it's not like Oda will ever make them struggle to have enough money to eat, pay the rent or anything like that :P
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Oh, I think we're forgetting one thing before we head to the new world. Nami needs to get a new type of log pose before they can set sail again. Hope that won't take up too much space in the next chapter or two.
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they could just take off then later we get a flashback of how the new pose works
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lol almost forgot about the new pose. yeah definitely should be interesting… oda comes up with the weirdest stuff haha.
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never mind. new log pose is released :D go read haha. In a way I like the concept, I know what luffy will always choose. But in a way I dont, scientifically... a log pose cannot have that much info... >_>
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lol almost forgot about the new pose. yeah definitely should be interesting… oda comes up with the weirdest stuff haha.
You should delete your updated message quick. Spoilers aren't allowed outside the Spoiler thread.
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653 is out people, enjoy = )