I wish Sanji stopped ruining these emotional moments. It was bad enough that he had the nerve to go "what would someone like you know about suffering" at a fishman of all people, but he's still shooting his mouth off at Jinbe despite now being aware of his past circumstances. This isn't chivalry anymore, this is just unforgivable.
Chapter 627: "Indebted" Discussion
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ladies and gentlemen here to you….........Hatchi defeating a sea king
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/89643127/10who said controlling seakings was a frightening power?
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I kinda rushed through the chapter but looking back, I suppose it does seem as though Hordy played a part in the assassination.
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What I hate about this here is that most posts are skipped over
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So this basically confirms that Hodi set-up the assassination. It's rather obvious.
My thoughts exactly. I doubt this pirate fired the shot. That and Hodi uses human pirates for his own devices anyway.
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What I hate about this here is that most posts are skipped over
Exactly.
People, I started like three topics of discusion with you, ANSWER ME BACK DAMMIT !!!
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I am disappointed in this chapter. It seems like throughout the flashback, every chance that Oda had to go deeper into characters, he chose the lazy way out. Koala didn't get expanded on. Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine). The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting. In fact it was some generic "human pirate". Come on Oda, maybe my expectations were raises by the Sabo flashback, but this is really disappointing… there was nothing deep, and everything in the plot was so straight forward and bland...
I still think Hodi is good at heart and is redeemable.
This new Hordy guy seems to be the real villain. :-)
Thanks to everyone who helped bring this chapter to us!
its the same character -.-
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Great chapter.
Now that the flashback is finally over, I can say that it was amazing. One of the best by far IMO. These last couple of chapters made me gain a lot of respect for Neptune and the princes and acknowledge Hodi as a good arc villain.
The sight of Jinbe on his knees crying of relief was really touching. Makes us see how much Nami's forgiveness means to him.
Given their interactions with the crew, I'd say both Jinbe and Shirahoshi have now more chances of joining the crew. With Jinbe still on the lead, of course.
Also, loved Luffy sleeping during the whole story. Laughed my ass off.
Good timing as always from Oda, placing a week off right after a strong cliffhanger.
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I am disappointed in this chapter. It seems like throughout the flashback, every chance that Oda had to go deeper into characters, he chose the lazy way out. Koala didn't get expanded on. Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine). The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting. In fact it was some generic "human pirate". Come on Oda, maybe my expectations were raises by the Sabo flashback, but this is really disappointing… there was nothing deep, and everything in the plot was so straight forward and bland...
Again, maybe it was just Hodie.
And Oda usualy does skip out on a lot of potential fights.
Koala stil might happen in the future, realy. Oda's not Hiro, he doesn't foreshadow something two pages before it comes into the story.
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My thoughts exactly. I doubt this pirate fired the shot. That and Hodi uses human pirates for his own devices anyway.
I don't believe that the guy didn't shoot her, I'm just thinking Hodi payed him off, threatened him, etc. and got him to do it. Why else would a random pirate be skulking up there from where the bullet was fired?
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First off, hodi definitely played a part in the assassination. No way a random pirate would burn the signatures. Shoot a random Fishman, maybe. But burn the signatures?
Personally was expecting the human to have made a deal with a Tennryubito but after setting up Hodi as someone who hates human loving fishman I can see it be him. Not to mention if it truly was just a random Human/pirate then Otohime gets the most ANTICLIMATIC DEATH ever.
Good too see the reverie is confirmed to be every 4 years. Couldn't feel emotional since I was ticked that the death seemed to be by random pirate X, but now that I'm guessing Hodi set it up maybe Neptune's monologue will hit me.
Oh and it didn't really explain why Jinbe told Luffy to not find Hodi. Maybe he didn't want to worsen human-fishman relations but Hodi is a dick so I don't see why Jinbe gave the warning in the first place.
Or maybe Jinbe was trying to truly stop this from being Arlong Park 2.0. All it needs is for Luffy to use a Gigant Axe to defeat Hodi And destroy fishman islandCover story of Carne worth it for Sanji face on Baratie
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Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine).
Strawberry could have been replaced with any other Marine. So what?
The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting.
So this flashback would have been better if Vander Decken, the weird gangly whiskered quadruped fishman with little motive, killed Otohime?
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I guess we will have to wait Hodi's speech for any revelations. I am hyped to see a lot of ass kicking in the next chapters. I want to see the other straw hats. As a Nami fan, her reaction is not suprising at all. Oda loves to draw her expressions.
Side note: The duval face on the Baratie is just EPIC.
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I am disappointed in this chapter. It seems like throughout the flashback, every chance that Oda had to go deeper into characters, he chose the lazy way out. Koala didn't get expanded on. Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine). The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting. In fact it was some generic "human pirate". Come on Oda, maybe my expectations were raises by the Sabo flashback, but this is really disappointing… there was nothing deep, and everything in the plot was so straight forward and bland...
I don't believe that the guy didn't shoot her, I'm just thinking Hodi payed him off, threatened him, etc. and got him to do it. Why else would a random pirate be skulking up there from where the bullet was fired?
Yeah. That sounds alot better than what I was thinking. I expect the reveal to arrive at some time in this arc.
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I really liked Hodi from the beginning and now I'm digging him even more. He's a good, fanatical villain like Akainu.
Speaking of, I'm viewing the assassination pretty similarly to Squardo stabbing Whitebeard during the war; everyone was pissed when they saw a random NW pirate ambushing him, but when we figured out it was Akainu who set him on it made much more sense and people weren't so butthurt about it.
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@No:
Exactly.
People, I started like three topics of discusion with you, ANSWER ME BACK DAMMIT !!!
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The trick is to wait the first 10 pages or so until everyone has CALMED THE F*CK DOWN
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I still don't think that Hodi is the main villain… By that, I mean he wouldn't fight Luffy...
If Luffy knows Zoro was fighting Hodi, wouldn't he just leave it Zoro to finish it up...I also think that We'll get Mariejoa arc soon...
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I am disappointed in this chapter. It seems like throughout the flashback, every chance that Oda had to go deeper into characters, he chose the lazy way out. Koala didn't get expanded on. Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine). The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting. In fact it was some generic "human pirate". Come on Oda, maybe my expectations were raises by the Sabo flashback, but this is really disappointing… there was nothing deep, and everything in the plot was so straight forward and bland...
its the same character -.-
Do you really think these things wont get expanded on as well? I suppose you think the Celestial Dragon and the King in Luffy's flash back wont ever have any greater meaning in the future either? Kizaru is very much a relevant character, if Jimbe does indeed join you can bet an exchange between them will be had regarding Arlong. Same goes for Koala. You must have been angry for years until Garp revealed who Dragon was.
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Sanji is a full fledged asshole again.
Seriously. I kept thinking this as i was rereading recently too. He was an asshole from the start making racist comments about Fishmen and not giving a shit about Laboon.
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If Luffy knows Zoro was fighting Hodi, wouldn't he just leave it Zoro to finish it up…
If Zoro got his ass kicked by Hodi hopped up on ES, then no.
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It's not like Sanji was raised to be a proper gentlemen on the Baratie…. XP
And I kind of like the fact that, like with the beginning of the FI Arc, we're getting both a lot of things at once, but not necessarily an exceptional amount of information. If everything was explained upfront there would be no mystery or suspense to look forward to!
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If Zoro got his ass kicked by Hodi hopped up on ES, then no.
And you think Zoro will actually got beaten down if they fought on equal ground even if Hodi uses 4 ES?
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I gotta laugh of two types of fans now:
1. The ones who insisted that Hody just was a tragic anti-villain that needed some help.
2. The ones who insisted that Nami was the most insensitive bitch that ever made her way into a Shonen.Guilty as charged on #1. Rather, I didn't WANT Hodi to get whitewashed, but suspected / thought Oda might do that in line with Shonen Manga tradition. Despite being wrong, I guess I'm pretty happy with how it turned out (as long as Oda doesn't pull a fast one on us in coming chapters).
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I am disappointed in this chapter. It seems like throughout the flashback, every chance that Oda had to go deeper into characters, he chose the lazy way out. Koala didn't get expanded on. Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine). The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting. In fact it was some generic "human pirate". Come on Oda, maybe my expectations were raises by the Sabo flashback, but this is really disappointing… there was nothing deep, and everything in the plot was so straight forward and bland...
I think you completely missed the point on several things, including the inclusion of the world noble in the story. It wasn't supposed to be standard issue world noble bashing, it was to show character: that Queen Otohime took a bad situation and turned it into an golden opportunity. It would be the height of bad storytelling to have the world nobles AGAIN assassinating the queen for no apparent reason other than being EVIL. I mean everyone hates world nobles for what we've seen of them so far, but that doesn't mean we need to have the expectation that everything heinous in the world has to be done by them.
Also, saying Koala didn't get expanded on is a little premature, don't you think? We're barely just out of the flashback! Sheesh!
ps: the hodi/hordy thing was a joke on the part of the poster. Obviously >.>
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Sounds to me like Hodi had some part in the assassination. He probably threathened the pirate to kill the queen. Kinda like he used the human pirates as darts to assault the palace. I don't really see the need for some big powerful arc villain. The SH just had a timeskip powerup.
Oda isn't going to have the SH fight some powerful foe this early that's going to make them struggle to win. They're basically going to coast in their fights until like the middle of the New World. Sucks to see that the flashback is finally over and we have a Oda break.
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I was holding out in hope, but that tears it.
Sanji's attitude has cost him my vote in the tournament. i'm now on the anti-sanji bandwagon. =/Otherwise, i enjoyed this chapter.
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What bugs me about Hodi being the main villain isn't the lack of strength, it's that Oda focuses so much on fishman discrimination this arc just to make a nastier Arlong the villain. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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And you think Zoro will actually got beaten down if they fought on equal ground even if Hodi uses 4 ES?
Considering they're not on equal ground and there's no good reason Hodi would give him the chance to, I think Hodi with four ES underwater might be able to take Zoro. It's obvious Hodi underestimated him and he didn't get hit because he's weak or slow. He let his guard down but that doesn't make him any weaker, as there's hardly a villain in this story who hasn't let their guard down at least once.
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I'm a bit curious on how they felt about Whitebeard. I mean obviously we got people like Jinbe that ended up appreciating him, but what did the overall citizens think of a human protecting them?
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re: Sanji, I mean, c'mon people, everyone in the crew except for Chopper has displayed copious amounts of insensitivity during the voyage. It's one of the gimmicks.
re: the rest of the issue, think the big winner of the flashback sweepstakes was actually Fukaboshi, in terms of characters that are still with us. Went from rather bland to rather likable in a few short chapters.
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I was not suprised at any of the reactions. Nami's,Sanji's(though I wanted to slap him) Franky's and Luffy's (him too) but
yep everyone reacted like they would. I dn't get that "Nami was a bitch before oh she has become nicer" . Nothing has changed about her expect the fact that she stopped hitting people. She has always had that type of personality when she gets serious. And lol at people getting steamy over sanji. It would have been better if Oda didn't have him react like that but that would have been out of character too. And what tatermoog said, comical insensitivity is nothing new.Fukaboshi, after this chapter I like him more and more.
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Now that we look back, this flashback only cover the things Jimbe knows in person and some things that he knows indirectly….
Since Jimbe doesn't know the detail about Tiger's assault on Mariejoa, I believe we'll get that once we reach Mariejoa arc... -
It's nice to see that the King had a reason for being so hands off. He was rather pointless character in the flashback. I still don't know why Jenbei dosn't want Luffy to fight him. And even I was dissapointed to see Sanji's asshole reaction. Someone here on the forums predicted that Luffy would be asleep before this was over, who was that? heh
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I said it when I first saw Fukaboshi… he'll be the one to defeat Hodi. I don't think Luffy will be fighting Hodi, it's only right that a Fishman or Merman defeats him.
And Nami seems so much nicer post-timeskip. I was getting irritated by her being a bitch before.
I find it hard to believe that a random human killed Otohime. Either Hodi had something to do with it, or it had something to do with the World Nobles.
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Good chapter, good flashback and now we are back to action (maybe not next chapter, but soon).
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What bugs me about Hodi being the main villain isn't the lack of strength, it's that Oda focuses so much on fishman discrimination this arc just to make a nastier Arlong the villain. It just doesn't make sense to me.
How does that not make sense? The discrimination created the current landscape that makes people like Hodi a focal point. And he's not like Arlong. There are differences.
Also, there is no lack of strength. He's obviously weak without his drugs, but that's meaningless and rectifiable.
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Considering they're not on equal ground and there's no good reason Hodi would give him the chance to, I think Hodi with four ES underwater might be able to take Zoro. It's obvious Hodi underestimated him and he didn't get hit because he's weak or slow. He let his guard down but that doesn't make him any weaker, as there's hardly a villain in this story who hasn't let their guard down at least once.
That should give him more reason to beat Hodi…
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So this basically confirms that Hodi set-up the assassination. It's rather obvious.
That would be extremely dumb and would take away all humanity and realism from Hodi.
I know Oda likes under-developed Villains just as much as he likes well-developed ones, but I expet Hodi to be the later instead of the formerLooking more and more likely that Hodi is, in fact, going to be the Big Bad of the arc.
Think this will all end up with SHs and Hodi on the Noah.
Considering Hodi got owned by Zoro in one slash, he gonna need a lot of doping.
@No:
I'm thinking Hodi's gonna declare everyone who signed the petition sentenced to death. He seems sufficiently melodramatic.
Wouldn't be surprised.
@No:
Wouldn't he just, ya know, die ?
Maybe he doesn't mind sacrificing himself as long as he has his revenge
ladies and gentlemen here to you….........Hatchi defeating a sea king
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece_green/89643127/10who said controlling seakings was a frightening power?
There are different types of Sea Kings. Those are nothing like the ones that invaded Fishmen Island.
I am disappointed in this chapter. It seems like throughout the flashback, every chance that Oda had to go deeper into characters, he chose the lazy way out. Koala didn't get expanded on. Arlong/Kizaru didnt go anywhere (in fact that whole scene of Kizaru capturing him was utterly pointless, it could have been any other marine). The world noble had nothing to do with the shooting. Van der Decken had nothing to do with the shooting. In fact it was some generic "human pirate". Come on Oda, maybe my expectations were raises by the Sabo flashback, but this is really disappointing… there was nothing deep, and everything in the plot was so straight forward and bland...
Sometimes, its nice to have a simple explanation instead of a over-complicated one. Vander Deckem has different motives and Hodi got increasingly corrupted BECAUSE of this. It also gives some momentum to the story, noting how important it is for Luffy to stop odi from fucking up the things at this year's reverie.
its the same character -.-
He was joking
I also think that We'll get Mariejoa arc soon…
Hope not, LET'S GO TO THE NEW WORLD ALREADY.
What bugs me about Hodi being the main villain isn't the lack of strength, it's that Oda focuses so much on fishman discrimination this arc just to make a nastier Arlong the villain. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Its pretty clear the hate is a fault of both races. It would be unrealistic if every Fishmen was a good boy and we Humans were all terrible people.
Considering they're not on equal ground and there's no good reason Hodi would give him the chance to, I think Hodi with four ES underwater might be able to take Zoro. It's obvious Hodi underestimated him and he didn't get hit because he's weak or slow. He let his guard down but that doesn't make him any weaker, as there's hardly a villain in this story who hasn't let their guard down at least once.
Nah, Zoro is just stronger than Hodi.
It doesn't matter, though, Hodi with 5 pills is 5 times exponentially stronger, so that's sure to at the very least give Zoro a "few" difficulties -
@Dan:
How does that not make sense? The discrimination created the current landscape that makes people like Hodi a focal point. And he's not like Arlong. There are differences.
Exactly. Arlong influenced Hodi but Hodi takes it to the extreme and applies his own ideals to it. They're similar characters but not enough for it to be a bad thing at all. I love them both as characters.
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its the same character -.-
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Congratulations to Fukaboshi for being the next nakama.
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@SGR:
Nah, Zoro is just stronger than Hodi.
There's no reason to state that after one single interaction between the two of them, especially since Hodi's demonstrated what he can do on land with zero ES. He may very well be stronger on land, but it's painstakingly obvious that Hodi wasn't taking Zoro seriously when he got slashed.
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Aside from the fact Zoro was quicker, stronger and more agile than Hodi underwater and destroyed him in one single slash? Yeah, no reason to state that.
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There's no reason to state that after one single interaction between the two of them, especially since Hodi's demonstrated what he can do on land with zero ES.
Then again , he was on steroids, and Zoro stil slashed him out cold (how else you gonna call it ? :ninja:) while under water.
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The trick is to wait the first 10 pages or so until everyone has CALMED THE F*CK DOWN
excuse my languageand post again. :ninja:It would be nice to actualy discus something before it becomes a dead horse though. :P
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@No:
Then again , he was on steroids, and Zoro stil slashed him out cold (how else you gonna call it ? :ninja:) while under water.
What? He wasn't on steroids when he fought Zoro :S
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Oooooooh :( What a great chapter. I almost cried.
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@SGR:
What? He wasn't on steroids when he fought Zoro :S
Didn't he pop a shit ton of those things a rather short while before invading the palace ?
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@SGR:
Aside from the fact Zoro was quicker
…Because Hodi was unprepared.
stronger
Zoro hitting first doesn't make him stronger.
destroyed him in one single slash?
"Destroyed"? Do you remember the part where Hodi regained consciousness and stopped Neptune with one hand moments later?
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@No:
Didn't he pop a shit ton of those things a rather short while before invading the palace ?
No. His crewmates specifically state after he crushes the castle wall that he hasn't taken any pills yet. You're thinking of when he went to trash Gyro and his crew.
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@SGR:
Aside from the fact Zoro was quicker, stronger and more agile than Hodi underwater and destroyed him in one single slash? Yeah, no reason to state that.
If you think back to Thriller Bark. Luffy alone had no chance of defeating Oars, but when he was injected with shadows and became Nightmare Luffy he was on another level.
The same might apply to Hodi. He might go crazy with the steds and end up being some next level villian stronger than even Luffy, which would mean Luffy has to surpass him.
Obviously it's just an idea… but Keimi said there are people stronger than Hodi didn't she? Could mean Hodi wont be a main villian after all and he's just a pussy that was embarrassed by Zoro in front of his boys. Only Oda knows.