Incredibles 2 was great tho.
Didn't see it.
I don't think sequels are bad by default, it's just harder to recapture or even blow past the magic first time 'round.
Pixar movies
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Incredibles 2 was great tho.
Incredibles 2 was fine. But it was a straight up rehash of the first film, and not as good. THAT was the movie Brad Bird sat on that took 15 years to get right?
It was made well, it wasn't bad by any means, or completely needless like Monsters 2 or Cars 2 and 3 or Dory were, but it wasn't great. It didn't add anything new or expand on the first one, or explore different themes or facets. In a vacuum on its own it'd be great. As a sequel, it was just more of the same… but at least not tainting the brand.
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I really loved watching the Incredibles 2 but I'm so sad that I am too old now to have the "double experience" I had with the Incredibles 1. First time watching I was still a little kiddo who was into the action and funny dialogue, then I rewatched it as an adult and the things that made me laugh the most this time around were Helen's and Bob's antics as they tried to juggle their marriage and kids and super hero stress. I loved how they contradicted each other at the dinner table scene like a typical super stressed couple. So in part two I adored the loving, intimate communication between the two and Bob trying his best to not let his envy show like a mature loving husband and their team work both within and outside of the super hero personas. I loved that Elastigirl had the spot light and she's exactly the type of fighting style I look up to. Smooth, quick-witted, efficient, with as little damage as possible. It's was indeed INCREDIBLE to see how creatively she employed her powers and resorted to physics and stealth to diffuse a situation (That motorcycle scene combined with her Elastipowers? Goddang I need a video game with that move-set). She was a wonderful contrast to Mr. Incredible's move-set, which relied on Boom Boom Punches. Don't misunderstand, his powers are cool as hell but it was so refreshing to see the focus on a completely different approach. On another note, that short-movie with the Chinese mom made me sob grossly in the cinema in front of friends i don't know that well. Eff you Pixar, you made me embarrass myself. That movie hit too close to home. Good stuff @Wintermute:
Incredibles 2 finally comes out in Germany soon. Couldn't wait anymore and saw a pirated version. Was a good movie. The villain twist was a little too obvious and too late into the film, imo. Best thing is, Underminer got away with it :D
LOL I actually didn't notice he actually dug his way out of this predicament. Underminer, the true hero of this movie. But sweetie, mate, my dude, real advice go watch that short movie that came before it, but watch it alone just in case. ;)
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How did I somehow miss that Keanu Reeves is in the movie?
https://movieweb.com/toy-story-4-keanu-reeves-character-duke-kaboom/?fbclid=IwAR0a7RInsyJ1Dku30a8DZ4pSwyG0t1RAjnC3tUmPKOVv5t814B41EHz0EUw -
How did I somehow miss that Keanu Reeves is in the movie?
https://movieweb.com/toy-story-4-keanu-reeves-character-duke-kaboom/?fbclid=IwAR0a7RInsyJ1Dku30a8DZ4pSwyG0t1RAjnC3tUmPKOVv5t814B41EHz0EUwHuh. That actually ignited some interest in me. Before I'd probably not bother with seeing it. As I felt the 3rd movie was a solid end.
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They got me when they put Key and Peele in the movie.
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They got me when they put Key and Peele in the movie.
I thought they were for the promo only.
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Nope, they're in the movie too.
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New Superbowl Teaser:
Funny Pixar. But wait, is that supposed to be fucking BO PEEP?
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I hope saving Buzz from those carnival prizes thing don't become like 50% of the movie.
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The whole Bo Peep thing is bizarre; they went from specifically excluding her from Toy Story 3 because a porcelain lamp wouldn't survive the daycare or incinerator to having her walking around at a carnival in her undergarments.
Complicating things since 2009.
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She looks confident and ready for action. Can't wait till a year from now when my library gets a copy for me to watch.
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They just settled on a new owner and can't break the habit of running wild into crappy situations. The friend in me is becoming the adventure/sequel money.
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These sort of hijinx are nothing new for Toy Story. Though I do hope that when the full trailer drops, they do give a glimpse into the emotion/reasoning for rescuing Bo Peep. Should be able to do that to some degree without giving stuff away.
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Why would they spoil that? Dont you want to be surprised?
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I do know I'm loving Bunny and Ducky.
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Why would they spoil that? Dont you want to be surprised?
I don't think revealing a little bit about the basic premise of the movie, especially something that is probably as simple as "I want to rescue my long lost gal", is a huge spoiler. Or even a mild one since they have no issue showing Bo Peep's new design. By that logic, showing a trailer for Toy Story 1 hinting at Woody and Buzz's rivalry or Toy Story 3 announcing that the toys go to a daycare is spoilers.
Seriously, there is a reason why the Detective Pikachu trailer got several times more views, likes, and buzz than all of the Toy Story 4 teasers combined. Part of it is definitely the novelty of a live-action Pokemon world, sure, but it's also at least establishing the premise, character relationships, and hints of the stakes in the movie.
Every Toy Story 4 teaser has only been… more Toy Story. Focusing only on gags, a new character design, and a generic carnival backdrop. And the gags aren't even funny in the slightest. Making Key and Peele unfunny should be a crime.
You can't just rely on brand recognition for your fourth film unless you have a big cliffhanger and status-quo change already set up like Infinity War. Especially when it's a sequel to what many already consider to be a perfect finale.
Wanting to know what this movie is about, what makes this movie special compared to the others, is hardly unreasonable to ask.
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Unless reviews are positively glowing, 99%-100% positive RT score like the others, TS4 will be a hard pass for me in the theaters. I don't wanna support pure money grabs when they already ended it perfectly.
Why would they spoil that? Dont you want to be surprised?
She was already appearing in merchandising anyway, and they've said for years she was going to be the focus of this one, there wasn't going to be any way to keep it a secret.
I saw stuff showcasing that which I was going to post, but shortly after the trailer came out and there was no point.
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I'm just confused as to what the set of events even are. One trailer suggests this Forky has an existential crisis upon being a new toy, and now here's Bo Peep….? The third one really did end things on a perfect, packed-together ending. Here, it feels less "4" and more "stuff you can hobble together for shorts or a Netflix thing"
The whole Bo Peep thing is bizarre; they went from specifically excluding her from Toy Story 3 because a porcelain lamp wouldn't survive the daycare or incinerator to having her walking around at a carnival in her undergarments.
D-Damn, didn't even think of that.
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Disney could keep making Toy Story shorts for eternity because it has endless possibilities, but unfortunately they had to be forced into a whole movie. We can only pray that they did their best, as they usually do.
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Disney could keep making Toy Story shorts for eternity because it has endless possibilities, but unfortunately they had to be forced into a whole movie. We can only pray that they did their best, as they usually do.
Their best… hasn't been their best in about 10 years.
We had Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Incredibles, Ratatouille, WallE, Up, Toy Story 1,2,3! Even Cars had flavor.
And then Cars 2, Cars 3, Brave, Monsters U, Good Dinosaur, Finding Dory.
Inside Out is about the strongest thing they've had in a decade. Coco and Incredibles 2 were okay, though I2 didn't really add anything to first one, just some new sequences.
(Bugs Life is the weakest film of their first decade by far and mostly gets a pass due to being from the studio's early days.... but no one ever really brings it up as one of their big hitters and rightly so,)
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I completely forgot the Good Dinosaur was a thing.
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The Good Dinosaur was a situation where they fell in love with a premise to the point that they went ahead and made a film without ever actually figuring out how to actually make that premise work.
Not that Pixar hadn't done that sort of thing before but there really wasn't any part of The Good Dinosaur that was good enough to make you overlook the fact that the film completely falls apart after that moment has passed like Up did.
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I feel like it would have been better remembered (and loved, though not by much) if had appeared back in the days of Wall-E and Up when almost everyone seemed enamored with Pixar and thought they were invincible (Cars and Bug's Life excepted), and not in the aftermath of Cars 2* and Brave, when that myth was dispelled and their film schedule started to contain more sequels and prequels and audience goodwill was wearing off. People were just talking less and less about them.
This was also around the time the Disney animated studio started to win back favor starting with Tangled and Wreck-it Ralph. (It has scientifically been proven that Disney animated features can only make good films when Pixar makes bad ones and vice-versa).
- Cars 2 was sort of a breaking point for many. Unlike Toy Story, the original was just okay to most and so making a sequel (especially one that looked annoyingly bombastic or without any soul) couldn't be seen as anything but nakedly monetary (Cars was really successful with merchandise).
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What's with this dislike for Bug's Life? I love that movie to death and enjoyed it just as much as Toy Story as a kid (and yes, I watched it recently and it still holds up). The characters are a lot of fun, the score is awesome and way underrated, the villain is easily one of Pixar's best and it has a lot of both hilarious and awesome moments (Flik standing up to Hopper after he was badly beaten gives me chills everytime). I just don't understand what supposedly makes it so mediocre :sad:
Regarding the Good Dinosaur, I haven't seen it yet (and don't know if I ever will), but aside from the films quality, I think it also suffered from the fact that it was released the same year as Inside Out, which was more creative and interesting and got a ton more attention.
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I feel like it would have been better remembered (and loved, though not by much) if had appeared back in the days of Wall-E and Up when almost everyone seemed enamored with Pixar and thought they were invincible (Cars and Bug's Life excepted), and not in the aftermath of Cars 2* and Brave, when that myth was dispelled and their film schedule started to contain more sequels and prequels and audience goodwill was wearing off. People were just talking less and less about them.
Naw. It's less about the image and more the fact the film quality actually has dropped.
Cars 2 was just outright bad. People didn't love Cars but were okay with it and Cars 3. 2 was the only one where I felt downright insulted for having seen it.
Brave switched its directors halfway through the film and it absolutely shows, you can FEEL the line where the new guy came in, but they kept the first 30 minutes of footage because it was already done. I don't know if the mother turning into a bear was always the plan, but the movie just goes dumb when that happens. I know as a fact the witch part was nothing like it was originally, but they had to keep it because the assetts were already done. Compare that to Ratatouille where Brad Bird came in late and it still came out fantastic.
Monsters University was completely pointless, and a tired 80's comedy with nothing really added to the worn out formula.
Good Dinosaur they had a a couple decent 5 minute shorts in there but not a movie.
Dory was… also completely pointless.
Cars 3 was fine, it should have been Cars 2. But it was still a Cars movie.
Coco was allright. The visuals and premise and setting were all good, but the actual story was weak. Also undercut by Book of Life coming out like a year earlier, even if they're very different movies. Also had that goddamn half hour Olaf tv special at the front.
Incredibles 2 was fine, but an almost note for note retread of the first one with very little new to say. It had some good action bits, but it wasn't worth a 15 year wait. For all that "Brad Bird had to find the perfect story first" it feels like something cobbled together pretty fast after the first movie, not 15 years later. Not aided by the fact it was a five minutes later immediate sequel and took zero advantage of the real world time gap. It was like a new episode of a tv show, it wasn't an event. Also also, there's been like 800 new superhero movies and tv shows since the first one came out, so...And all of those could be forgiven if they had the sheer risk tasking of the other films. Ratatouille's love letter to art and beauty, Up's first 10 minutes, WallE's silent first half, Toy Story's incinerator and growing up farewell moments.
How to Train Your Dragon's learning to Ride and Romantic Flight sequences, Spiderverse's romp through the forest, Tangled's pub thugs sequence and horse with a frying pan, that moment when Ralph wrecks Vaneloppe's car to save her, Circle of Life and everything Mufassa in Lion King, Frozen's Wanna Build a Snowman and Let it Go sequences, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs somehow working the entire time, Lego movie somehow working the entire time and then pulling off a brilliant end. One or two perfect character moments, or a sequence can make a film great, can make it art... and none of the last decade of Pixar films have really had anything like that, nothing that REALLY made them
Maybe the end credits sequence of Inside Out.
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I dunno, this part in Coco got me pretty good.
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While this decade is nothing like the 2000s for Pixar, to say there haven't been iconic moments is selling them short.
Coco was an excellent movie despite people being skeptical because of Book of Life. And like Satsuki says, that moment where the grandma has a moment of lucidity when hearing the song is nothing short of phenomenal, and as a Hispanic person watching this it really hits home too.
Inside Out had multiple fantastic scenes in terms of humor, and at least two scenes of serious emotional greatness. Riley going back home and finally crying will never not move me to tears. Animation-wise you also have stuff like the bit with abstract deconstruction, and comedy-wise there's dozens of excellent beats with anger, disgust and fear.
Incredibles 2 was definitely weaker, but the choreography of some scenes stands tall even among a decade of super hero movies. Nearly every action scene was a joy to watch, particularly the bike scene or Jack Jack fighting the raccoon.Sure, quality dips because no company is perfect forever, but when the standard was so high in the first place following Toy Story 3, that's not such a bad thing. I will agree though that Good Dinosaur was terrible and should only be remembered as a lesson in it being ok to drop some ideas.
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Coco got me in part because I'm a huge Daddy's Girl, so a father singing to his little girl will always make me choke up. Not that my dad can sing to save his life or anything. The whole movie got me mostly (other than the fabulous afterlife design) because of the family theme, even though I'm not Hispanic.
The only thing Coco and Book of Life have in common is that they're both about a misunderstood Hispanic musician dealing with the afterlife. Other than that, they're completely different.
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I'm with Sats. Agree to disagree on Coco, I suppose, but I would absolutely not describe it as just 'alright'. That movie absolutely ruined me emotionally, it was wonderful.
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Legit the best thing about Incredibles 2 is the logo designs on all the heroes. Whoever made those is a genius.
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Coco is the best Pixar movie they've made since Up and I'd say one of their upper echelon quality films. I thought it was fantastic from front to back.
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To me, Coco is absolutely one of the best movies Pixar has ever made. It's one of those movies that is better every time I watch it, which hasn't always been the case.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Coco. I feel like the main family/dreams conflict had a lot of untapped potential, most of the third act ended up feeling like a by-the-numbers Scooby-Doo episode, and I called the big act 2 twist within the first ten minutes of the film. But for what it was, it's still a good film that definitely had a lot of cultural and emotional passion put into it.
Inside Out's decent too, but I feel like the human side of the plot was very predictable and not all that interesting until the final emotional climax, where it has a great moral about sadness that resonated with my personal growth a lot. That movie would have been a lot more standout to me if Riley was a teenager or the main human perspective was actually one of the parents because that has a lot more potential for unconventional story perspectives/struggles you don't see a lot in animated movies like the first Incredibles.
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Another little Toy Story 3 clip combined with trailers:
Funny little scene, but man this doesn't seem like Bo Peep. Then again, she never got much character building in the first place. And that's definitely not her original voice.
However, after seeing all the different toys and what appears to be a different room, I do think I see how Bo Peep showed up again. I'm thinking she got sold/given away to a new kid or family and the main guys somehow found their way to her house. It's a perfectly understandable way, because if I had a nice shepherdess figure I wouldn't just throw her away, I'd see if anybody wanted her or at least put her in a garage sale.
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i love that it's one of those videos that has to stuff in a bunch of extra stuff - i.e the peele/kay stuff we've seen already
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I'm pretty sure that's still Annie Potts as Bo Peep.
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Okay, maybe she just sounds a little different after 20 years.
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This became kind of dark out of the sudden.
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Uhh…huh. This seems to both veer into very repetitive territory (Woody is tempted by an alternative to the impermanence of being the toy of a specific child!) , and kind of mind-bending new one. The genesis of Toy-life is something I'm not sure is worth explaining - the series had a "just roll with it" feel until now, but making explicit rules could undermine that and open the door to all sorts of bizarre implications.
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Kinda has some retread of Toy Story 2 (Woody is the one lost from the group, other toys are tempting him, where does he really belong?). Like Daz said, the toy rules aren't really things that need explanation but i guess this movie wants to tell what happens when something is realized….as a toy.
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I guess you've always been able to over-analyze the rules of the Toy Story universe, so even if this one makes things more explicit the "just roll with it" approach can still work. I just look forward to the onslaught of articles dissecting the horrible existential ramifications that can arise from this.
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"I am not a toy. I was made for soup, salad, maybe chili, and then the trash"
I was initially quite worried realizing that Forky would be a more major character than I expected, but I liked what I saw of him from the trailer.
I had expected that Bo Peep would not instantly go back after 10 years away from the gang, and this route seems interesting at least, hopefully it sticks the landing.
Spoiler:
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Seems like Toy story 2 with the temptation but with a bit of Toy story 3 for accepting change. Also I feel bad for that spork forced into a life of servitude. The toys are made to be toys a spork was force into something and now the toys are forcing it into their ways.Could be a good movie but I think Toy Story already said everything they had to say
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You feel like they already said everything they needed to, but hey, if Pixar found something else to say, then whoohoo.
Forkie isn't looking as annoying as he might have been. Bo I'm a little surprised, but then when you think about it, she's not a toy. She's part of a lamp. A child's lamp, but a lamp.
At first the antique store looks like a total rehash of the preschool, but it also seems like they don't spend a long time in it. Thankfully.
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I know Pixar trailers are always bad because they take care to not give stuff away, but maaaaan does this feel like a retread of old ground.
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I just love this cameo from Up's dogs in the Toy Story 4 poster:
! Can't help laughing when imagining Dug's poker face:
"Oh boy, oh boy! I have a great hand! Oh! I should not say that. Uh, I have a bad hand. Yeah, you should put all your grey chips in the center of the table because you will win and get them back. Oh please oh PLEASE put them in!"
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What can I say? It feels like Toy Story. Right now what I can look forward to is Key and Peele and Bonnies old toys getting to do stuff.
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