During the last 10 years i've read dozens of mangas from all genres and i never saw one moment:"the main charcter dies".
So i've one question:
Does a manga exsist in which the main character dies without resurection and the plot goes on?
Manga in which the main character dies? *SPOILERS*
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does bokurano count? you could argue that the main character dies every 5 chapters or so, or that Jun was the true main character all along…
what about JoJo? Part 1 ends with the main character's death, yet the manga VERY much continues after that. only with an entirely new cast of characters, etc.
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JoJo is really the only one I can think of. I'd imagine it happens more in seinen than in shounen.
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This has got to be the most spoilertastic thread ever.
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This has got to be the most spoilertastic thread ever.
You know, I was going to say that too.
Staying far, far away.
There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.
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Ashita no Joe off the top of my head.
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Does a manga exsist in which the main character dies without resurection and the plot goes on?
Actually, I've got several to come to mind. In fact, my favorite series does this exactly the way you're describing (where the mainest character possible dies and everything goes on well after it).
But, just name-dropping a major-ass spoiler like that does… feel a bit off. Since several are worth reading part of me feels like it's wrong to blurt them out.
My name is Holy Hell and I'm a GIANT PUSSY
If I can include anime though and my personal favorite example: I may as well say by the time
! Legend of the Galactic Heroes
! is over
! all of its most central characters are dead. And it continues on for like 20 more episodes. As in, the few characters who could be considered its most major protagonists that were involved in the personal side of things are dead. By the end of it, thereś like… only one guy left that even showed up in the first episode.
! It works though. It works flawlessly. -
! Code Geass?
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I was thinking Death Note at first but then I read "and the plot goes on?"
so nvm, can't think of any. for the MAIN character to die and keep on going. unless you count shit like Gantz but there is resurrection involved etc.
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This kind of thing actually happens more frequently than you'd think. Like your example of (ugh) Gantz is actually the most common way it happens. Where it passes off "ownership" of the main role to a supporting character. Of course Gantz backs out and starts sucking itself off and shitting its pants, so it obviously doesn't count.
In fact, with the exception of the one I listed in my post (which is purely "all mainest characters die and everything goes on and he isn't replaced") all of the examples of a main character dying and the series continuing… do involve passing off the central protagonist role. So I guess in reality, only one comes to mind.
You could say Pluto, though. But that was more due to the fact that, hysterically, the writing was so weak no other character stepped up to assume the position of "main character" after the original protagonist died.
This is of course because a centralised protagonist gives something for the story to wrap itself around. In the case of the aforementioned thing in my last post
the reason it gets away with having all of its more central characters dead is that all of the major conflicts that happen in it were about the war, not the individuals, and it had such a large cast and focus it was able to keep going on without feeling "empty".
So the reason it isn't often seen is that for most stories it can be pretty hard to work with.
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If Jojo counts then Shura No Toki must be listed.
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@Holy:
If I can include anime though and my personal favorite example: I may as well say by the time
! Legend of the Galactic Heroes is over, all of its most central characters are dead. And it continues on for like 20 more episodes. As in, all major characters that were involved in the personal side of things are dead. By the end of it, thereś like… only one guy left that even showed up in the first episode.
I feel this post highlights exactly why this topic is a {SPOILER}bad idea{SPOILER}. Even the people who have a prolific resume of seen shows can still be spoiled, and they are the ones who would be most privvy to knowledge of shows as described by the OP. There's no defense either, because hints are spoilers, and spoiler tags are ineffective.
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Thanks for the answers, i'm going to look for a few of them.
I began to read JoJo a few years back, but dropped it. Maybe i should start it again.
Afterwards this thread sounds like a bad idea, sry. -
I feel this post highlights exactly why this topic is a {SPOILER}bad idea{SPOILER}. Even the people who have a prolific resume of seen shows can still be spoiled, and they are the ones who would be most privvy to knowledge of shows as described by the OP. There's no defense either, because hints are spoilers, and spoiler tags are ineffective.
Oh woops
It's honestly kind of a neat subject, it's just
Yeah
It's hard to discuss it at all without putting anything out there and feeling immensely dickish for doing so, even including tags.
Sorry, still. If it makes you feel better, honestly, it probably won't affect your viewing experience at all because of the kind of narrative it has and its tremendous length. But I don't know if elaborating helps or not. I could just stop talking. Just know, while I'm sorry you got spoiled at all, it's at least something that you shouldn't go into the show watching with it on your mind, because it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
The only way to solve this is to watch it immediately, post-haste, all of it.
But I really am sorry.
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To be honest being spoiled doesn't ruin many thing for me in enjoying a series. Shock values don't mean much to me. Personally I don't care if I am spoiled or not. But I respect people's choice.
A more extreme view, LOL:
@JERK:No story worth a shit is ruined by spoiling it. But stands on the strength of it's material.
Shut the fuck up Buuhan.
In fact I'd argue that if you're attraction to One Piece is so shallow as to be based around shocks and jolts rather then enjoyment of it's elements that you are far far below others on the fandom ladder.
And I wonder how the hell you ever reread the series. Or anything at all for that matter.
Here's a spoiler, Luffy succeeds in the end.
OHHHHH RUINED, ITS RUINED FOR ME, WHO CARES ANYMORE BAWWWW
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JERK DISEASE never played Ever17, which fundamentally changed how I approach media. I am very uneasy in sexually tense situations, so prior to that VN, I would spoil myself for most plots to moderate my anxiety. After playing the VN, which could have been ruined at any time if the reader was spoiled, I've become a lot more cautious. This caution is unfortunte because it's a big reason why I take years to finish an episode of anime, like last year's Sora no Otoshimono.
XX% of the time, spoiling isn't going to hamper enjoyment. But this usually applies to a predictable narrative structure where the ending isn't the payoff, it's the story content that fleshes out the characters and their motivations. Knowing a character's motivation isn't the same as understanding it, and often, understanding can't be conveyed in a single paragraph on Wikipedia.
Just from the nature of the show HH was talking about, I knew there were going to be deaths. In ANY serious show, there's going to be a death. It occurs in nearly all fictional works. But I know enough of the show to know who is probably the main character, and I saw the first episode, so I know most of the beginning cast.
It's not a world-ending spoiler since a story sufficiently complex and detailled enough CAN'T be spoiled with just a few sentences, but it does take an edge off some of the surprise.
@Holy:
Sorry, still. If it makes you feel better, honestly, it probably won't affect your viewing experience at all because of the kind of narrative it has and its tremendous length. But I don't know if elaborating helps or not. I could just stop talking. Just know, while I'm sorry you got spoiled at all, it's at least something that you shouldn't go into the show watching with it on your mind, because it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
The only way to solve this is to watch it immediately, post-haste, all of it.
But I really am sorry.
I understand. I never blamed you, I was sort of careless waltzing into this topic and not thinking about what to expect. As said in the preceding passage I know some things, but only because I watched about three episodes into the series before stopping, something I should never do.
That particular show's length is intimidating, and stopped me from finishing it before (the torrent size was also a problem). I won't be able to start for about two weeks until my school season ends.
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Yeah, it's true that shock value isn't really necessary for enjoying a good piece of work. But still, it's kinda lame knowing beforehand that Darth Vader is Luke's father or that Rosebud is the sled.
Anyway, manga's where the main characer dies permanently? Can't think of any. I still wish Goku had stayed dead after the Cell Saga.
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It usually doesn't ultimately pay to be a main character in the Gundam franchise.
Its not a manga, but Game of Thrones kills and cripples and screws with leads left and right, both bad and good.
And yeah, there's plenty of hero deaths then resurrections in manga.
But yeah. Its pretty hard to get rid of the story focus in most stories… because you need something to hinge the narrative around. Usually a character death comes at the very end of the series as its final bit of closure.... the ones that get around it are stories that are about a much larger conflict where the whole thing is bigger than the leads... which usually entails switching leads after the first one is gone or having a lot of smaller stories within a bigger war/universe.
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does dbz count. goku dies alot in it
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@bartholemew:
does dbz count. goku dies alot in it
That case is just too common, so no, we need example with protagonists die permanently.
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One Piece, because Luffy will die, that's kinda obvious.
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Yu Yu Hakusho.
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Really? Someone better say TTGL.
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Well, i'll just spoiler it anyway, cause i'm a nice guy.
! Shin Angyo Onshi (Blade of the Phantom Master)- A Manhwa where the main character and almost EVERYONE else dies in the final struggle. Very very very awesome read. I suggest everyone whom I just spoiled to go read it. It'll still be a good time.
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! Mirai Nikki
I read it sometime ago, I don´t remember if the main character has died yet, but I´m pretty sure he dies at some point.
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@bartholemew:
does dbz count. goku dies alot in it
One Piece, because Luffy will die, that's kinda obvious.
Yu Yu Hakusho.
Really? Someone better say TTGL.
Did you guys pay any attention to the actual question asked?
Does a manga exsist in which the main character dies without resurection and the plot goes on?
As for TTGL,
! Kamina wasn't the main character. That's like saying Roy Fokker or Ben Dixon were the lead characters in Robotech. Important sure, but they weren't the lead. It was always Simon.
And yes, characters die left and right in that series, it does sort of fit the scope of "war story bigger than the leads." But it was always about Simon. THE lead doesn't die.
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I don't think JJBA counts since it's a generation manga. So from each part a new member of the legacy becomes the main character and from what i've read and heard none of the main characters get killed during the course of their part in the series, the only main character I saw die was jojo from part 1 and that was at the end of part 1.
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I don't think JJBA counts since it's a generation manga. So from each part a new member of the legacy becomes the main character and from what i've read and heard none of the main characters get killed during the course of their part in the series, the only main character I saw die was jojo from part 1 and that was at the end of part 1.
Jolyne .
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I probably should of mentioned i've only read up to part 4.
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20th/21st Century Boys almost applied for this.@Gekko135:
Well, i'll just spoiler it anyway, cause i'm a nice guy.
! Shin Angyo Onshi (Blade of the Phantom Master)- A Manhwa where the main character and almost EVERYONE else dies in the final struggle. Very very very awesome read. I suggest everyone whom I just spoiled to go read it. It'll still be a good time.
I was coming here to say that but then I see the plot goes on part.
I always felt it was a ballsy move for any author to kill the main character and continue the story to achieve w/e goal the protagonist didn't or a new one. Usually fans just get that sheep mentality and say the series went downhill after the main character died.
I'd support it as long as it's a good story though. I'd probably kill a main character 50 chaps in to the story since there'd be suitable supporting characters that could take the spotlight.
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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?
Or was the main character Simon?
Well if the main character dies another character takes the lead so I don't think there is a manga which continues the plot without a main character. -
TTGL's main character was Simon.
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I think he was only the main character after
! Kamina died…. I mean... he didn't even do a thing that mattered Oo!
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I asked this question cause i find it interesting to find a work in which the main character dies and the plot goes on for a little bit and in the end the antagonist/evil wins. I've read many books and saw many movies but there are only a few that follow this sheme. And then i was curious if something like this excist in manga form.
Perhaps Aohige is the best to answer this question.
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@gotta<3OP:
I think he was only the main character after
! Kamina died…. I mean... he didn't even do a thing that mattered Oo!
Doesn't matter. The story started with him, and ended with him. Kamina just had a big personality that overshadowed Simon. But Kamina constantly pushed him up front… always focused on believing in him. And Simon did actually play a very important role before Kamina left us.
Simon was the main character.
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Not quite the same, but Immortal Regis had its main character go from ultimate good guy to ultimate bad guy, so to speak, when it transitioned to the "part 2" series titled Cavalier of the Abyss. The series hasn't ended yet, so I cannot say if he goes back to being good; I'm thinking he will. He is and has been the main antagonist, however, since the beginning of Cavalier. This is another example where the cast changes, although many/most of the characters from "part 1" remain in "part 2". He's technically dead the entire series in any case… that is, he dies in the first chapter and becomes an undead. Chances are he will be dead dead come the end of part 2.
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Not quite the same, but Immortal Regis had its main character go from ultimate good guy to ultimate bad guy, so to speak, when it transitioned to the "part 2" series titled Cavalier of the Abyss. The series hasn't ended yet, so I cannot say if he goes back to being good; I'm thinking he will. He is and has been the main antagonist, however, since the beginning of Cavalier. This is another example where the cast changes, although many/most of the characters from "part 1" remain in "part 2". He's technically dead the entire series in any case… that is, he dies in the first chapter and becomes an undead. Chances are he will be dead dead come the end of part 2.
Thanks for the info the plot sounds interesting, its not answering my question but its near the thing i'm looking for.
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Death Note if you consider L to be the main character.
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Naruto is so cool it has 600 billion naked Zetsus with armadillo penises dancing under a rainbow.
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Naruto .
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The good stuff of the Naruto manga was the main character.
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@Holy:
This kind of thing actually happens more frequently than you'd think. Like your example of (ugh) Gantz is actually the most common way it happens. Where it passes off "ownership" of the main role to a supporting character. Of course Gantz backs out and starts sucking itself off and shitting its pants, so it obviously doesn't count.
Gantz never really backed out, Kei wasn't supposed to stay dead for a long time. We already knew about the resurrection and one chapter after he died, people were already thinking about bringing him back to life.
@Holy:
Sorry, still. If it makes you feel better, honestly, it probably won't affect your viewing experience at all because of the kind of narrative it has and its tremendous length. But I don't know if elaborating helps or not. I could just stop talking. Just know, while I'm sorry you got spoiled at all, it's at least something that you shouldn't go into the show watching with it on your mind, because it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
The only way to solve this is to watch it immediately, post-haste, all of it.
But I really am sorry.
I watched the first four episodes, that's a really good anime. I smell some epic stuff.
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Well, i'll just spoiler it anyway, cause i'm a nice guy.
! Shin Angyo Onshi (Blade of the Phantom Master)- A Manhwa where the main character and almost EVERYONE else dies in the final struggle. Very very very awesome read. I suggest everyone whom I just spoiled to go read it. It'll still be a good time.
yeah, that story was so good, it makes what they're doing now a nuisance.
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I have a really good one for this but I don't want to spoil it because it's something I translate professionally (and that part hasn't been published yet) and as far as I know there aren't even any scanlations, so I doubt anyone here would be aware of its status regarding this thread.
Edit: why did I even post this?
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