Crocodile can remove his hook easily himself. Remember how he tried to grab Vivi off the moving crab back in Alabasta? He launched that sucker.
My theory? He looks cool with it. Therefore, it stayed.
Crocodile can remove his hook easily himself. Remember how he tried to grab Vivi off the moving crab back in Alabasta? He launched that sucker.
My theory? He looks cool with it. Therefore, it stayed.
Greg, if Bentham does indeed die I would like you to take a picture of your reaction and post it in the chapter thread, okay ? I agree that he probably won't, but the option's always open.
I'll do better than that.
I'll whip out the perennial favorite.
If Bentham dies at the hands of Magellan and we never see him in the story again, I will eat my underwear on video and post it on YouTube.
"Believe it!"
Yeah, but he didn't do it with seastone cuffs on.
And yeah, it's mostly because he looks cool with it.
Crocodile can remove his hook easily himself. Remember how he tried to grab Vivi off the moving crab back in Alabasta? He launched that sucker.
The hook is his hand. He launched that sucker via his sand powers. Much in the same way he turned himself into a donut in round 3.
I'll do better than that.
I'll whip out the perennial favorite.
If Bentham dies at the hands of Magellan and we never see him in the story again, I will eat my underwear on video and post it on YouTube.
"Believe it!"
Hmmmm….. I'll remember this one.... puts it in the priority list.... Youtube...and underwear eating..... done..... :ninja:
Makes sense. Either way, he wouldn't detach it himself. Plus, how would the cuffs stay on that arm if nothing was there? Practical, that's what it is.
We're gonna hold you to that Greg .
I'll do better than that.
I'll whip out the perennial favorite.
If Bentham dies at the hands of Magellan and we never see him in the story again, I will eat my underwear on video and post it on YouTube.
"Believe it!"
Oh yah, and appearences prior to his death in flashbacks don't count.
Yes they do. If Bentham dies AT ALL and he is killed by Magellan. That's the deal.
We're gonna hold you to that Greg .
I would be insulted if you didn't. I said it and meant it.
Yes they do.
No, I agree with Mr. Warton. He's saying should there be any appearances of Mr. 2 PREVIOUS to his [non] death at the hands of Magellan, that are in flashback form, they won't count as him 'appearing in the story'.
I completely agree. He has to be alive and in the actual story. Which he will be. When he takes over as the King [Queen?] of Kamabakka. But that won't be for a while.
This comment reminded me, I don't think that's what Impel Down is supposed to do. From what we've seen, it seems like the place just tortures to death (or for life, depending on the will to live and all) it's prisoners. There's never been a mention of releasing pirates, and I don't think they do that.
So yeah, these prisoners of been rehabilitated, but I think it's more a combination of fear of Impel Down and their escape thanks to Luffy and co. On it's own, Impel Down rehabilitates no one.
And with that in mind, Impel Down really seems, to me at least, to have few redeeming factors. All the good they really do is prevent the level 6 guys from running loose. And even that seems a little insignificant when other pirates (Whitebeard for most of them, Luffy for Croc) apparently of beaten most of these level 6 guys already, meaning their are still worse pirates out there.
Actually Mr.2 comments on why Iva's name was crossed out and thought it was because he may have been released. That comment combined with the fact only level 6 prisoners are called lifers&death row inmates implies the other prisoners only have to survive till their sentences are up and then they're free.
Just what happened to blackbeard??
Getting more crew members.
lol @ greg
but we know you`re on a save ride their
I'll do better than that.
I'll whip out the perennial favorite.
If Bentham dies at the hands of Magellan and we never see him in the story again, I will eat my underwear on video and post it on YouTube.
"Believe it!"
Will it be a used or unused underwear. Will you eat it raw or cook it? Or do you prefer it grilled?
At first, I thought Bon Kurei would deffinitly die, but after rereading a couple of times, and reviewing Magellan and Bon's skills, I think Bon will be able to get to level 5.5, were he is safe. He has an advantage on speed, so if he can delay Magellan long enough, and distract him, he will be able to make it down there.
not to mention he's got blackbeard to contend with…
Lol at Buggy in this chapter
buggy should have stayed to fight magellan would have made it 2x more epic lol
I just think it'd be entertaining if Bon managed to get away from Magellan for a little while: enough so that he could abduct a guard and take their place, biding his time until marine ships started to come back to ID. Then he could just get rid of someone else, and escape that way, all the while with Magellan running after him.
Like Pac-Man. Wakka wakka. Then we could have a small mini-arc showing him changing to various forms.
Otherwise yeah. Okama hell could be a good hiding place. As for if he'll really die or not…well it's unlikely, isn't it...? What with Oda letting someone survive a point blank nuclear blast :ninja:.
^ Well I'd hope that Pell was a one-time thing.
Well, Papaya got smited…and survived without a scratch for the sole purpose of having a happier ending. (Though I did get a laugh out of the ''Yes, I survived. I'm sorry.'' line.)
^ Well I'd hope that Pell was a one-time thing.
And Pagaya
And Wiper
And Laccuba
And random-ass pirate that had a necklace explosive device explode and got shot at point blank range.
And everyone from Enies Lobby.
And Hacchan.
And almost everyone in the story to this point in the present.
Seriously.
You've gotta be a fucking idiot not to see it.
It has nothing to do with his skills or whatever.
Oda simply won't do it.
Until the war.
I hope.
Otherwise I question my future with the series.
Lol, I totally fogot about those .
And Pagaya
And Wiper
And Laccuba
And random-ass pirate that had a necklace explosive device explode and got shot at point blank range.
And everyone from Enies Lobby.
And Hacchan.And almost everyone in the story to this point in the present.
Seriously.
You've gotta be a fucking idiot not to see it.
It has nothing to do with his skills or whatever.
Oda simply won't do it.
Until the war.
I hope.
Otherwise I question my future with the series.
Is one weakness really worth it though? No series is perfect, indeed the fact that it's something as trivial as character deaths is a blessing compared to things some other major series lack like art or even a good story. At least in my opinion
Come to think of it, didn't a bunch of Impel Down prisoners get killed off-screen?
Well at least he's not killing character just to make the series/manga popular. Mr2 probably will have a mini-arc or he will just escape with the help of BlackBeard and we will see him again when BlackBeard comes to Ace's execution.
You've gotta be a fucking idiot not to see it.
Agreed. Its so annoying to see in every chapter thread discussion over whether or not a character died. We should know the answer by now.
Well at least he's not killing character just to make the series/manga popular.
He's doing something just as bad.
He's avoiding letting characters die because of his own morals. He doesn't want his series to be an 'influence' on children. He doesn't want them to read it and think death is okay. At the start he was far more obscure with the concept. Instead of going out of his way to make comments about characters that should have died OR actually DRAWING THEM he just avoided showing them or commenting on their status.
That was a nice way of handling it.
But as time has gone on and Oda has become more aware of how influential his work is, he can't bear to see it be a 'bad influence' on children.
And Thousand Lion-chan is right, on the surface.
The fact that Oda avoids killing people itself is not some terrible thing.
But when it comes to the point that it affects how the story impacts me, the reader, then it's a problem.
Oh Hacchan got shot. He'll be fine.
Oh Iva and Inazuma just got poisoned by Magellan. They'll be fine.
Oh, Mr. 2 just made an incredible selfless sacrifice and he stands to be executed on the spot. He'll be fine and twirling around again before too long.
Every goddamn time someone is attacked there's simply NO impact or no sense of separation because they're all going to come out smiling. The reason OP sucked me in, in the first place, was because of the kind of stories Oda was capable of by expertly using death in SMALL but surgeon-administered doses that went straight to the heart. Now it's just become a farce.
And I'm NOT talking about main characters.
They're a given. That's never been a question in my mind. We know Luffy will be okay, but we accept it. It's an unspoken agreement with the gods of manga. He will get beat up and we WILL be shocked.
But when shit-stain characters start showing that same fortuity it blurs, and in this case, destroys the line between what makes them shit-stains and Luffy, Luffy. In his comic, goddamn near everyone is becoming hero-like tough and it's not interesting, NOR does it make for decent villains.
I'm waiting, just waiting, for the guards Shiryu supposedly cut up to stand up and say, "Wow, the backwards blade technique."
My opinion on Bon-chan's sacrifice is that, even though in the end we all know he'll be fine because Oda doesn't kill off named characters in the present story line (except arguably Going Merry, but that's not the same as killing a person), it's still impactful because in normal circumstances/from the character's POV there's still the rather large chance of death. We as readers know it won't happen, but the character doesn't and knowingly takes the risk and sacrifices himself anyway. I guess I've just decided long ago (back after Pell was revealed to have survived), that I'd overlook the loss of "is he/she gonna die" suspense because the "that's an awesome thing to do" respect factor in most of these kinds of sacrifices. Plus Oda can pull a Bellamy (as far as we know currently) and just not show Bentham ever again, effectively killing him.
Edit - This made me lol:
@Greg:
I'm waiting, just waiting, for the guards Shiryu supposedly cut up to stand up and say, "Wow, the backwards blade technique."
The only character in one piece that died that I know of (other than Gold Roger or Tiger) is Bellimere. I mean you can be shot at point blank, hit with a nuke, punched through 30 feet of concrete and rock and dirt, buried under a rubble, slashed to hell, falling 30,000 feet into the sea, being in a buster call (except for Ohera), and still survive. I mean people like don't die for whatever reason… they're like superman or something or have like 9 lives.
We're talking about outside of flashbacks. We're well aware that people can die in flashbacks such as Brook's crew, Bellemere, Noland, etc.
And Wiper
Nitpick here. You're talking about Wiper surviving the Reject dial three times? Cause I thought that was more of a testament to his resolve, in addition he was also meant to impress us with his ungodly endurance.
I say this because, I love this guy for using the reject dial three times in a row. It was awesome. Everything else (though I'm tempted to nitpick Pagaya) is probably right…though I really don't care about the death issue. I personally look at other factors then whether or not someone will die in these kinds of scenes. Like, with Mr. 2 I appreciated his character, and what this sacrifice means to everyone he knows. I don't think Oda is even trying to create drama with someone dying anymore.
@robbybevard:
Good luck remembered that in 10 years when te series is over. Since you wont be able to call it for sure until then.
tho more likely Bantham will appaear at the end of this great epic upcoming battle, ala Pell. PROBABLY in less than 100 chapters.
:pouty::unsure::ermm::sad:
Nitpick here. You're talking about Wiper surviving the Reject dial three times? Cause I thought that was more of a testament to his resolve, in addition he was also meant to impress us with his ungodly endurance.
I say this because, I love this guy for using the reject dial three times in a row. It was awesome. Everything else (though I'm tempted to nitpick Pagaya) is probably right…though I really don't care about the death issue. I personally look at other factors then whether or not someone will die in these kinds of scenes. Like, with Mr. 2 I appreciated his character, and what this sacrifice means to everyone he knows. I don't think Oda is even trying to create drama with someone dying anymore.
Hey! I agree with onemoment again!
But for how long…?
Just read over the chapter and I noticed pandaman crying for Bon Boy, maybe this is forshadowing to pandaman being the next Okama queen!?
Y'know, I'd never thought I would see the day that people say they would stop reading One Piece if Mr.2 lived.
So One Piece isn't perfect and (most of the time) people don't die. Whatever. It's not really an issue to get so worked up about. I'm sure, if Mr.2 does survive, Oda has plans for him for the future.
Hell, if Mr.1, Mr.2, Mr.3, Buggy, Ace, and/or Crocodile were dead already, this Arc wouldn't have been the same. So I'm certain we just gotta trust Oda on this one.
Greg has a valid point. I'm fine with characters living when there is still a goal or a point to it. But when EVERY character, EVERY TIME, is fine regardless of say… having an exploding collar go off on them, being shot in the head and then pissed on by a dog.... or biting off their own tounge to avoid becoming a slave... only to be up and fine the NEXT chapter... that really, really diminishes the return and any sort of dramatic tone trying to be set.
Every time theres still a little tinge of "Mayyybe, MAYBE this time Oda is serious" but... its harder and harder to believe and its been diminishing slowly but surely since I'd say, Skypedia. And up to a point I'm fine with characters fighting to their limit and then "dying" for the duration of the arc... but it DOES stretch the credibility of things. When the threats and dangers of the world... aren't. when there's no danger, no risk, that diminishes the hero's accomplishments.
Its also takes all the piss out of the villains When avillain can't successfuly do what he wants to anybody it makes him piss poor. Enel, Lucchi, Spandam, Tenryubito, ID staff, all of them lose credibility when they're unable to do anything effective.
And it DOES have an accumlative effect. Did anyone here, for even 5 seconds, REALLY think Blackbeard had been taken out in a surprise twist of displaying Magellan's awesomeness? That Iva and Scissors had been taken out for real in a genuine sacrifice? Iva being taken down was supposed to be dramatic, but I bet if we go back to the discussion 3 weeks ago, not a single person asked "Oh my gosh, did he really kill Iva?" Nope. ALL the discussion was on "Gee, I wonder how Iva survived?" Even though he was lying prone on the floor covered in poison.
Even now, pretty much no one actually believes Bon Kurei is dead and are instead discussing the multitude of ways he will inevitably escape.
(I still think that the giant crossdresser party thats gone undetected for years undermines ID's credibility more than anything Luffy actually did.)
I understand the mantra "losing their dream is worse than death", and that the villains often get redeemed after their beating in the cover stories, and thats cool. And it'd be okay if Oda didn't keep THREATENING to kill characters, then not going through with it.
But when theres NO consequence, it diminishes the credibility of the villains, AND the accomplishments of the heroes.
I really hope no one thought Blackbeard was dead. That'd be embarassing.
I know the main characters wont die, but when they are really close to death I get worked up.
When Kurobi kept diving Sanji under the water, Lucci got Luffy all the way down on the ground, or Zoro getting ground up by Mr 1, all I could think was "I know he or she isn't going to die, but man that could kill him or her!"
Doesn't really make sense I know.
The moment that it appears a character is in grave danger, it works on me however Oda does it, even though I know for a fact that person will be up and at em soon enough.
Just the fact that Bantham allowed himself to be caught and prepared himself to die is enough for me. The act alone brings a tear to my eye. I'm certain he's going to live, but the writing still got me.
Maybe Magellan will succumb to internal injuries from his fights, and Bon Clay will escape. VOMIT :getlost:
I have given up on getting worked up over character 'deaths.' Pell was the ultimate middle-finger by Oda to his readers. After that, I just didn't care anymore. I accept it as part of the story. Initially, I was miffed by Going Merry sailing on its own (why the fuck do we even have a Navigator or Log Poses???). About three or four chapters later, I completely forgot about that stupid boat (I was happy when it burned to the bottom of the ocean) and kept reading the manga. Oda has a way of making us forget his most egregious errors or annoying plot holes. At times, I feel like he's about totally lose me. And then, somehow, he sucks me back into this epic.
Also, to some degree, I agree with LongFist. When I watch the anime, I actually feel a sense of suspense.
that stupid boat
:ermm:
Learn to enjoy a story for what it is, now what you want it to be.
You're talking about Wiper surviving the Reject dial three times?
Nope, wasnt talking about the dial. When a character says there
s a 3-time limit on something, you KNOW theyre gonna do it at least 5 times and be okay. That
s another unspoken agreement with the manga gods.
BTW, I would just like to mention again, it doesnt diminish the sacrifice made by characters. But…when you KNOW they
re going to be okay simply because of a selfish notion of the author, it takes away a lot. It hits robby the same way I believe but I don`t want to speak for him.
I've come to accept that nobody will die after being severely pissed off when it was revealed that Pell did not die.
I think, for the most part, there shouldn't be any reason why characters who aren't named can't die.
Apparently many here are saying that death makes characters or what they did more awesome? I don't understand that…
Robby has a great point.
Back in the Arlong arc, the dying thing was still a possibility. Now the greatest suspense from battles is more so because they might lose the fight, not because they might die. And every single time, I hope that Oda will shock everyone a murder a minor character, but he just…won't. He's so good at reading the audience and surprising us, I still have to hold onto hope that he is building towards Axce's death. I just have to DREAM.
@Thousand:
Guys, guys,
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/533/06-07/
I think these guys are dead :<
or some of these guys.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/547/04-05/
or some of these guys.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/547/04-05/
yea people do die
but its not really the named ones
But i don' see how mag won't kill bon or even how oda can some how make it so Bon don't die fighting mag
How is it on the bandwagon, guys?
I've yet to jump on. Probably never will.