They need to break through to Toriyama like MAD Magazine did with George Lucas.
It's the TeamFourStar Thread with DBZ Abridged and Pokemon things
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Be ready, tonight new episode.
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About time they pushed out a new episode.
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Forgive the double post, here is the episode.
Not their best in my opinion, but still solid.
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I'm gonna miss the Vegeta-Tenshinan potshots when we go to Buu.
Also the continued psuedo-homoerotic undertones between Goku and Cell remind me of the days of Alternate Reality DBZ.
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I certainly wasn't expecting they to play We Are Number One.
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The mankakasappo things gets me every time
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Watch the post-credits scene with the captions on.
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"What do you think happens to those beams when they fire off into space like that?"
Has anyone not asked that? Truly, this must be the reason there are so few inhabited plants in the universe.
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THIS ORANGE HILLBILLY BEATS HIS WIFE!!!
"It really wasn't much of a fight. One hit and she just went down.
Then we got married, I put a baby in her, and now she just stays at home, cooks my dinner & raises our kid." -
One of the worse episodes recently. I still don't dig their Satan, but I guess it's tough to abridge a joke character anyway.
So I guess next episode will be the transition to Gohan and 60 is a three-parter like with Freeza and Vegeta? Unless they really plan to drag this out.
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Lol, I just noticed the Insane Clown Posse reference.
(Magnets, how do they work?)
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I love that they made Cell kind of like Goku, stupidity and all. In contrast with Freeza being driven nuts by the stupidity.
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One of the worse episodes recently. I still don't dig their Satan, but I guess it's tough to abridge a joke character anyway.
So I guess next episode will be the transition to Gohan and 60 is a three-parter like with Freeza and Vegeta? Unless they really plan to drag this out.
During their livestream, where the episode premiered, Lani said that he's not sure how long the arc is going to end up being, and also that split episodes basically isn't worth it anymore for… reasons I don't remember off the top of my head, something about how YouTube works now + the fact that it would mean putting the show on hold for like three months. Actually... just have a link. The video should still be up.
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One of the worse episodes recently. I still don't dig their Satan, but I guess it's tough to abridge a joke character anyway.
So I guess next episode will be the transition to Gohan and 60 is a three-parter like with Freeza and Vegeta? Unless they really plan to drag this out.
He's not really that different though? He was making up reasons for the Z fighter's flashy abilities in.the original too iirc.
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Why is Mr. Satan not dead? I want a refund!
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"Ya ever hear of mirrors, Jimmy?"
"I believe so, yes."
"Well there you go!"
"SUCH INSIGHT."
Also lol at Grant being the guy going THAT MAKES SENSE.
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Oh and I think things are peachy recently with DBZA. The weak streak of recent was a big chunk of the stuff from since Cell first showed up, especially the Vegeta/Trunks vs Middle Cell material. Lot of bleh there.
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Overall their quality has improved over each arc. Their first season was not really that good in retrospect (They try to straddle the line between a comedic retelling and the, at the time, joke laden reference style that was the abridging standard) It's only until half way through the second season that they really hit their stride and it's been great since.
Some episodes are just meant to be watched with the previous and next one attached to it. Very much like One Piece and many of their chapters. Oda's week to week work sometimes doesn't hold up, but when read as a whole. It's excellent.
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I disagree, it's been way more up and down. And Season 1 is strong once the Saiyens arrive….versus the weak spots that hit now and a then since.
This season has really been weak as heck in parts. Androids 17 and 18 were probably the least funny of all characters they've done. -
Going back and watching it again i'd have to say that the first three or four episodes are basically unwatchable.
From there on it gradually improves to perfection. With one or three hit and miss episodes here and there.
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I'd say "blame it on the source material being bad and dull" and that is true to an extent… but then you look at what they did with Nappa, Guru, and some of the movie villains. THey could have done something to make the androids more interesting.
Cell they've handled pretty well at least.
Any event, I liked this ep just fine.
The weird part to me is people that keep complaining "About time! It's been so long!" when it's been like... 6 weeks. Which is normal. 4 weeks on a fast episode. How are you not used to that schedule after like, 8 years?
I mean, Yugioh Abridged is lucky to get one every six months. And YuYuHakusho hasn't had one since DBZ started.
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They went for a much more serious, straightforward style this season, and I can respect that.
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They went with "the android saga sucks, what can you do?" and I can't respect that.
That aside they're consistently funny, and they have the characters down far better than the official dub, so…
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I've always felt the show has maintained a pretty consistent quality (though the first season hasn't aged well in terms of humor and production quality). Occasionally we get an episode that I felt dragged its heels or where a lot of the jokes didn't hit the mark, but I've never noticed any big dips in quality over a span of episodes.
And this episode was great.
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If I can honest, I do think the pacing is dragging somewhat in this arc, but that's because they've come a long way from their style in the first season. Every episode now has a ton of production quality attached to it.
That being said, I wouldn't want them to "remaster" season 1. I like seeing the progression in editting, jokes, etc.
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It's going to be interesting with the Buu arc, which has a mixed reception overall
I found the Android Saga they did to actually be quite good, and I found their renditions of 18 and 17 to mirror their new mantra of "We are retelling the story and making it funny" rather than. "How many memes and references can we cram into this." That's seen in how long it's taking them to crank these out, far more effort is being put into it.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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their new mantra of "We are retelling the story and making it funny" rather than. "How many memes and references can we cram into this."
This is just a nonsense semantics game, since either description has always fit the series.
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@Monkey:
This is just a nonsense semantics game, since either description has always fit the series.
I meant it more in the history of the abridging style.
The old abridged series, Naruto, Yugioh, etc had a comedy style that often depended on referencing to real world things (video games, famous actors, dropping music beats, fourth wall breaking) for it's comedy. At a certain point, DBZA switched from that style and to an approach that was more organic and story driven. From about halfway through season 2 onwards you see little reference to outside sources and a great focus on retelling the story with a comedic edge.
I probably should have said. "Evolution of Comedic Style" instead, my bad.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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I meant it more in the history of the abridging style.
The old abridged series, Naruto, Yugioh, etc had a comedy style that often depended on referencing to real world things (video games, famous actors, dropping music beats, fourth wall breaking) for it's comedy. At a certain point, DBZA switched from that style and to an approach that was more organic and story driven.
And I'm saying the distinction is bullshit. And that it always used to be story driven, and it's still full of references and fourth wall breaking.
From about halfway through season 2 onwards you see little reference to outside sources
Starting to think the reason you think this might be you're missing most of the references.
Like did you know the episode that just came out had a Lazy Town meme oriented reference and a Bare Naked Ladies "One Week" reference?
All this after like six extra episodes where Cell fights (disses) various anime/video game characters?The sort of meme heavy orientation you're mentioning was like…what....only the very very early Season 1. By the time Nappa and Vegeta arrive the comedy was the same as it is now.
If you're talking about episodes where comedy itself pretty much disappears and it just becomes literally abridged (and totally pointless) retelling instead? Like most of the crap episodes on the islands with Cell? Like most of
for instance? Where even there the only comedy that punctuated the eight minute middle part was an (unfunny) Willie Wonka reference? Then that shit is indefensible.
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You raise good points, that's an interesting perspective.
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Even when the episodes aren't at their funniest, i appreciate them for how much they commit to recontextualizing elements that were never explored in the canon series. Jokes about Goku being a terrible parent aren't new, but its interesting to see them fully commit to making it a consistent part of the show, to the point where they give ChiChi some actual pathos. That, and its fun to see them employ their extensive knowledge of the Dragonball "lore", like when they lampshade the recent extraordinarily-tacked-on Android backstories.
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They had some genious touches lately too, like A-16 being made after Gero's son (killed by Goku back in the Red Ribbon years)
They took one of the most boring characters in the whole series and gave him some background, even if just for a moment.
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They had some genious touches lately too, like A-16 being made after Gero's son (killed by Goku back in the Red Ribbon years)
They took one of the most boring characters in the whole series and gave him some background, even if just for a moment.
They didn't make that up. Toriyama did.
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@Monkey:
They didn't make that up. Toriyama did.
What, when? Not in the original running, thats for sure.
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What, when? Not in the original running, thats for sure.
It was on an interview. It was also there he revealed Lapis and Lazuli.
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What, when? Not in the original running, thats for sure.
Toriyama's interviews, guidebooks and similar. #17's joke about being a park ranger is a reference to Toriyama saying that #17 got that job after the events of the Cell saga. #16 being modeled after Gero's son is also entirely Toriyama's idea.
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Toriyama's interviews, guidebooks and similar. #17's joke about being a park ranger is a reference to Toriyama saying that #17 got that job after the events of the Cell saga. #16 being modeled after Gero's son is also entirely Toriyama's idea.
#17 being a park ranger is all but stated in the actual manga. Since you see him out in the wilderness living in a cabin (with a shotgun) during the round up of people responding to Goku's call for energy against Boo.
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@Monkey:
#17 being a park ranger is all but stated in the actual manga. Since you see him out in the wilderness living in a cabin (with a shotgun) during the round up of people responding to Goku's call for energy against Boo.
We have no way to infer that he actually is a park ranger in the manga. All we see is one panel of #17 with a rifle in the middle of what appears to be a mountain range raising his hand to Goku's Genki Dama. Once we get the information that #17 is a park ranger from Toriyama, then the scene, looking back, fits very well with that information and it makes sense, but without that information there's really nothing suggesting that #17 is in that place in any sort of official capacity or doing any specific job.
And even in the anime, it's not much better since, even though we get to see more, there's still nothing to suggest that he is there in any sort of official capacity or doing any specific job instead of just happening to live there.
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We have no way to infer that he actually is a park ranger in the manga.
What we can infer is that Toriyama already basically had the idea, and later spelled it out in an interview. Talking like it's super exclusive interview intel is misleading compared to something plain out of the blue like 16 being based on Gero's son from the RR army.
This is for instance much more of a logical inference than struggling to pretend Broly isn't a character motivated by a crying baby.
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Yeah, it wasn't like "ZOMG, 100% author confirmed!" but #17 being a Park Ranger was the assumption almost every single person who saw him in the Boo arc made, so either it was already intentional that he be one and we all read into it correctly, or Akira "I forgot Lunch exists" Toriyama looked back at it, made the same inference himself, and "confirmed" it in an interview.
Either way, 17 as a park ranger was never a stretch.
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@Monkey:
Since you see him out in the wilderness living in a cabin (with a shotgun)
A trait shared by both park rangers and western Republicans.
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@Monkey:
What we can infer is that Toriyama already basically had the idea, and later spelled it out in an interview. Talking like it's super exclusive interview intel is misleading compared to something plain out of the blue like 16 being based on Gero's son from the RR army.
This is for instance much more of a logical inference than struggling to pretend Broly isn't a character motivated by a crying baby.
Er… Why are you getting kind of agressive?
I simply stated that, without the info from the interview, #17 standing on a mountain range is too little to understand that he actually has a job as a park ranger in that place. I mean, I would be surprised if anyone assumed he got an actual, official job at a park after seeing that panel rather than him just living there.
And I mentioned it simply to clarify how hard it is to get that he actually has a job as a park ranger from the manga alone, not because I'm trying to be misleading or because I think the interview is super exclusive or whatever.
I agree with you that Toriyama probably already had that idea when he chose that panel and I agree that the #16 info comes more out of the blue than the info on #17. I mentioned it only to clarify how hard it is to get it just from the manga, not because I don't agree with you on these aspects.
As for Broly, I don't know why you want to mention old posts unrelated to this discussion. But you are free to disagree with me and find how I interpret things ridiculous if you want to. To me, how I interpreted it, due to what is actually stated and presented in the source, since I took the time to check the source pretty carefully and consider various possibilities and interpretations, makes the most sense to me and I'm satisfied with my conclusions about it. But you don't have to agree. That's all.
Yeah, it wasn't like "ZOMG, 100% author confirmed!" but #17 being a Park Ranger was the assumption almost every single person who saw him in the Boo arc made, so either it was already intentional that he be one and we all read into it correctly, or Akira "I forgot Lunch exists" Toriyama looked back at it, made the same inference himself, and "confirmed" it in an interview.
Either way, 17 as a park ranger was never a stretch.
Really? Personally, I don't remember the fans that I interacted with when Dragon Ball was fresh thinking that after seeing it. They just thought he lived there or happened to be there since he obviously doesn't actually need a job nor has he shown interest in having a job. It seems strange to me that anyone would think that he actually has a job or is in that place in a sort of official capacity after seeing the manga/anime, let alone, specifically, a park ranger and not some other activity.
I would much more easily assume that he is living in the wilderness in the middle of nowhere in a house that he built, having a quiet life (and even naturally looking after his surroundings), than him actually being in a park and having an official job guarding it. And that was my natural interpretation when I saw it, that he was "retired", living the quiet life, in the middle of nowhere. Even if I assumed that he has a job, I would more readily assume that he has a job as a hunter, in which he hunts with a gun for the fun of it than actually a park ranger. I mean, he obviously could have a job as a park ranger, it fits with what we see in the manga/anime, I just don't see enough in the manga/anime to readily assume that he actually has that official job or any official job.
I do agree that him being a park ranger is not a stretch, of course, since what is present in the manga/anime fits with that. And I do agree that it was probably intentional. I just think that it's hard to realize that he actually has a job and that job is specifically a park ranger from the manga/anime alone.
People could have assumed that, of course, but I think it's an assumption that could have easily been wrong, even though it wasn't wrong. It kind of reminds me of all the theories and interpretations that we develop as we read an on-going story from the elements we know up until that moment. Sometimes, it seems to fit pretty nicely and we end up being correct, but other times, even though it seemed to fit pretty nicely, we end up not being correct. In this case, without the interview to confirm it, I would just think that although possible, it would be just an assumption that he actually has an official job and that job is as a park ranger and not something else, like an hunter.
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The Tien line to Yamcha about him having still hope is the most burnible burn line I have ever witnessed. Especially in the light of the current events on DBSuper. Saw the episode again with my brother today and we were both jumping on the couch as it fell. Damn
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Caught the T4S panel at anime north last weekend. Too much stuff in two hours to really say anything about, but one tidbit that did stick out was apparently, their original plans for Broly were to have him be a huge Goku fanboy the wanted to be an fanfic OC on the Z warriors… that Goku just didn't dig for whatever reason.
Apparently they couldn't make it work because there just was not enough animation of a normal talking Broli to make it work at all. Pretty much the only scrap of that idea that got left was "yeah, my power is pretty big."
And Vegeta's fanboying as expected was because that was funnier and more in character than Vegeta crying in a corner for 85% of the movie.
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Huh. They're doing this again
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I was missing a Meruem joke on this, actually.
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! Kid Videl at the end was the best
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That was unexpected. Liked it much more than last episode.
! So I guess that means they'll definitely do the Buu saga? Makes me wonder what'll happen after that and whether they'll cover any of GT at some point.
