I really doubt Croc would join. I could envision him temporarily heading with them to an island for whatever reason, but it just seems…I dunno, I guess I'll never say "never" with Oda at the helm, but he doesn't seem to fit the bill. Wouldn't mind seeing him ride Robin, though.
Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)
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And I thought the Boa theory was bad…........
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So Vivis not even a problem? She was such a crybaby throughout the entire arc I cant imagine her pulling a Nami.
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I do not think that Crocodile will join the Straw Hats. He doesn't seem to be the type of person to be a subordinate of someone else. He'll most likely do his own thing after the war with Mr. 1.
@pwnobi:And I thought the Boa theory was bad…........
That's the problem with next nakama speculation; EVERYONE who is friends with the Straw Hats or allies (at least temporarily) with the Straw Hats is considered a potential next nakama.
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Croc would be a badass addition but I don't see it happening.
1: He would never accept and respect Luffy as his captain.
2: I don't see him parting from Mr 1 just yet, they wil surely be off to do their own thing.
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Taken From Some User Named Jorgas In Other Forum:
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…..Source: http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=57667&page=4
How it is used to argue against Boa Hancock versus Perona:
Note: Sheonite user is arguing for Perona… Jorgas user is arguing for Boa Hancock.
Jorgas Post: http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=2829328&postcount=35
Sheonite Post: http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=2829555&postcount=39Their debate results:
Jorgas:
Perona -> 4/12 yes; 2/12 "?"; 6/12 no;
Boa -> 8/12 yes; 2/12 "?"; 2/12 no;Sheonite:
H: √ = 5 ? = 3 X = 4
P: √ = 7 ? = 5 X = 0The main idea is that Sheonite felt that Perona is better able to support that thing Jorgas had. Which was explained there. Jorgas was against that.
Those were the results.
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@Vash:
Croc would be a badass addition but I don't see it happening.
1: He would never accept and respect Luffy as his captain.
2: I don't see him parting from Mr 1 just yet, they wil surely be off to do their own thing.
1. Yeah sure but Vegeta never respected Goku at first… Just at the end
2 More of a con... Dunno what would happen to Mr.1
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Purpose: to help people as a reference…
Popularity Poll:
Hancock is the clear favorite.Candidates for Next Nakamaship:
1. Boa Hancock
2. Jimbei/ Jinbei
3. Perona
4. Caimie
5. Hatchi
6. Crocodile
7. Ivanokov
8. Duval
9. Smoker
10. Ace
11. Inazuma
12. Whitebeard
13. AoKiji
14. Jozu
15. Marco
16. Akainu
17. Kizaru
18. Sentoumaru
19. Kuma
20. Mihawk
21. Doflamingo
22. Garp
23. Sengoku
24. Moria
25. Shakky
26. Rayleigh
27. Buggy
28. Oars
29. Tashigi
30. Hercules
31. Random New World Pirate
32. Supernova
33. Random Marine
34. Random CitizenArguments for Or Against:
Character 1:- For: she has a hint that says she is able to join because she is introduced with a special cover art.
- Against: her island is in question, she's got no flow, there's nothing to support any claim she has of joining, nothing else matters for her...
Character 2:
- For: he has nothing...
- Against: his size, his desire to protect FI...
Character 3:
- For: everything about her situation.
- Against: whether or not she is stronger or weaker than the said/ mentioned extremes...
Character 4 - 34:
- For: nothing.
- Against: everything logical.
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[hide]Taken From Some User Named Jorgas In Other Forum:
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…..Source: http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=57667&page=4
How it is used to argue against Boa Hancock versus Perona:
Note: Sheonite user is arguing for Perona… Jorgas user is arguing for Boa Hancock.
Jorgas Post: http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=2829328&postcount=35
Sheonite Post: http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=2829555&postcount=39Their debate results:
Jorgas:
Perona -> 4/12 yes; 2/12 "?"; 6/12 no;
Boa -> 8/12 yes; 2/12 "?"; 2/12 no;Sheonite:
H: √ = 5 ? = 3 X = 4
P: √ = 7 ? = 5 X = 0The main idea is that Sheonite felt that Perona is better able to support that thing Jorgas had. Which was explained there. Jorgas was against that.
Those were the results.[/hide]
Thing here is, though, things change. Following a diagram like this isn't going to prove anything, since anything missing now can be expanded upon later. The crew member won't join until such things have been resolved, but this can happen. Remember Franky? It took a whole chapter of convincing and fact editing before he would join. Remember Robin? Well, this one speaks for itself.
The only exeption here is experience, and characters like Jimbei have too much of that. Hancock is a special case since she's relatively young and Perona doesn't have more experience than the rest of the Strawhats, making both plausible, but not neccesarily likely. Anything that needs to be changed in order for a member to join will be fixed before such happens.
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Okay, AGOG, I understand where you're coming from but I don't think you had to continue past number 11. Is this a stealth parody list?
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Thing here is, though, things change. Following a diagram like this isn't going to prove anything, since anything missing now can be expanded upon later. The crew member won't join until such things have been resolved, but this can happen. Remember Franky? It took a whole chapter of convincing and fact editing before he would join. Remember Robin? Well, this one speaks for itself.
The only exeption here is experience, and characters like Jimbei have too much of that. Hancock is a special case since she's relatively young and Perona doesn't have more experience than the rest of the Strawhats, making both plausible, but not neccesarily likely. Anything that needs to be changed in order for a member to join will be fixed before such happens.
According to them, Hancock has "X" and if someone has an "X" then they fail. That's the main idea of it…
As well as it is fairly vague, it shows that every SH crew member has those:
--Is on the ship.
--Tragic Past.
--Childlike dream
--Some kind of "role/ position" that they can do; something that they specialize in.
--Have a good heart.
--Never overshadow Luffy's character.
--Unique Personality
--Unique Fighting Style
--Unique Jolly Roger
--Stronger than Usopp is (whatever the condition is...)
--Not able to spoil the story.To be true, these are easy to understand and are just common sense:
--Stays with them.
--Is useful.
--Unique.
--Doesn't bore us.
--Never becomes more important than Luffy.
--Isn't someone that is evil...So, I really don't see much of anything to suggest that these things don't exist in the crew as a whole. I mean, they are there and quite obvious.
The result was that both people agreed that Hancock had an "X" and they were split upon judgement that Perona did or didn't have one.
As long as a character doesn't have an "X" that character is to be able to join in that sense... That would be what that list shows.
Okay, AGOG, I understand where you're coming from but I don't think you had to continue past number 11. Is this a stealth parody list?
Well, fans often think a bunch of random people join, so I considered them…
Since this debate is really between two people: Hancock and Perona.
There are minor hopefuls like Crocodile and Jinbei, but those don't really mean anything.
Since the topic revolves around which is better?
Hancock, the woman that says she loves the main character, but shows no progress to suggest she has a reason or way to join.
Or the woman that basically has a way to join and a motive, just waits for it to happen...Whichever you decide to pick, that's what it revolves around: the fan favorite (Hancock) who has nothing yet. Or the logical Perona who has all in her way, but has barely any support.
All vs None.
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the main reason why crocodile won't join is that he still desires the pirate king throne. we saw it in the cover story. every strawhat has a dream and how the hell can crocodile join when he has the same dream as luffy? no stawhat has ever gave up their dream to join the crew so why should crocodile?
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1. Yeah sure but Vegeta never respected Goku at first… Just at the end
2 More of a con... Dunno what would happen to Mr.1
Croc is the perfect Hibari, but Mr. 1 and his past with Robin is too much of a truble, it would be completely awesome however, Vivi reaction to the ultimate nakama would be priceless o!
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the main reason why crocodile won't join is that he still desires the pirate king throne. we saw it in the cover story. every strawhat has a dream and how the hell can crocodile join when he has the same dream as luffy? no stawhat has ever gave up their dream to join the crew so why should crocodile?
He changed it to basically being "Kill WB" which is out of revenge. So, his dream is now consumed by revenge.
This means that basically WB defeated Crocodile and crushed his initial dream to be a Pirate King.
Croc is the perfect Hibari, but Mr. 1 and his past with Robin is too much of a truble, it would be completely awesome however, Vivi reaction to the ultimate nakama would be priceless o!
Crocodile actually has no "love" for some "location" as we know… What point will it be to expect him to love a location and enforce such a thing as Hibari does?
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What I mean with "Hibari" is that he can be the strong guy that is actually not too atached with the crew, but is there when they need help and will often play a "I'm not the subordinate of anyone" attitude.
Maybe we can get more of Croc past/dream when his flashback comes…
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What I mean with "Hibari" is that he can be the strong guy that is actually not too atached with the crew, but is there when they need help and will often play a "I'm not the subordinate of anyone" attitude.
Maybe we can get more of Croc past/dream when his flashback comes…
But that doesn't follow the theme of the SH crew where they are all attached to one another and basically try to protect each other for their own betterment …
Having Crocodile doesn't follow that same relationship that they share for each other. Why add him?
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One way Crocodile-for-Nakama could work is this:
"Strawhat, we're both heading for the New World and Raftel. Only a fool would be stupid enough to go there on his own, and that goes even for me. I'll accompany you on your way, but we are still rivals. I still strive for the Pirate King, and when we reach Raftel I'll definitely challenge you for that title."
Or something more refined… :P
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But that doesn't follow the theme of the SH crew where they are all attached to one another and basically try to protect each other for their own betterment …
Having Crocodile doesn't follow that same relationship that they share for each other. Why add him?
the main reason why crocodile won't join is that he still desires the pirate king throne. we saw it in the cover story. every strawhat has a dream and how the hell can crocodile join when he has the same dream as luffy? no stawhat has ever gave up their dream to join the crew so why should crocodile?
I can't see Boa rescuing someone else of the crew besides Luffy… Hell she is even stoning her own people.
But Croc could be like Vegeta or Piccolo... He would help but still be the "BAD" guy.
E. g.
Crew will get in trouble... Croc who is like an outsider of the crew...
Croc: What weakling... Always need my help.
Luffy: Thanks Croc
Croc: ...Seriously, Boa is way more likely or Jinbei or even others... But dunno... Oda is giving a lot of character and mysteries behind Croc in the recent chapter... Mybe he will be defeated by DoFla and his pas will be revealed than OK.
But after this war... He will dissapear with all his secrets just to tell us them in a later appearance?
The biggest problem is still Mr. 1 xD xD xD
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There are so many things wrong with Croc joining the crew that I don't know where to start. First, there's how he'd join. Whether Luffy asks him, or he asks Luffy, it just doesn't make sense. Second, there's his sidekick, Mr 1. Is he going to join the crew as well or are they just going to leave him on an island somewhere? Third, there's Croc's character. He's not the type of person who would be willing to become the subordinate of another person. Such an act would totally ruin what people consider to be great about him.
I see a lot of people trying to compare Croc and Vegeta, but it just doesn't match up. Luffy and Croc don't have anything close to the type of relationship that Goku and Vegeta had. Also, DBZ had a long history of defeated villains turning good in order to keep them around. One Piece has shown that it doesn't need to do that in order to keep old villains relevant.
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There are so many things wrong with Croc joining the crew that I don't know where to start. First, there's how he'd join. Whether Luffy asks him, or he asks Luffy, it just doesn't make sense. Second, there's his sidekick, Mr 1. Is he going to join the crew as well or are they just going to leave him on an island somewhere? Third, there's Croc's character. He's not the type of person who would be willing to become the subordinate of another person. Such an act would totally ruin what people consider to be great about him.
I see a lot of people trying to compare Croc and Vegeta, but it just doesn't match up. Luffy and Croc don't have anything close to the type of relationship that Goku and Vegeta had. Also, DBZ had a long history of defeated villains turning good in order to keep them around. One Piece has shown that it doesn't need to do that in order to keep old villains relevant.
That'S what I'm saying it is far more unlikely like the others… But only pro for Mr1. Ok he has Mr. 1 but Boa on the other hand has an whole island and everybody is celerbating her as new nakama
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There's a big difference between having an entire crew and having a sidekick. A person can leave an entire crew, and they'll be sad, but they'll all still have each other (like Franky did). Mr 1 is a legitimate problem for Croc joining, which is much more complicated than a simple plot issue. Hancock's problem is just a simple plot issue of her island getting put in danger if she leaves. That problem is a massive hurdle in my eyes, but her overall chances should be far better Croc's, even if they are slim as it is.
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There's a big difference between having an entire crew and having a sidekick. A person can leave an entire crew, and they'll be sad, but they'll all still have each other (like Franky did). Mr 1 is a legitimate problem for Croc joining, which is much more complicated than a simple plot issue. Hancock's problem is just a simple plot issue of her island getting put in danger if she leaves. That problem is a massive hurdle in my eyes, but her overall chances should be far better Croc's, even if they are slim as it is.
Hell Mr. 1 was alone in prison and he didn't act that much with Croc in Arabasta. But who knows.
I still don't see anyome who will join
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Hell Mr. 1 was alone in prison and he didn't act that much with Croc in Arabasta. But who knows.
I still don't see anyome who will join
Why not Perona?
She lacks nothing that can't be added in, which is what most nakama end up having.
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Though I do believe Croc will accompany the SH for a bit to the New World I could see Mr 1 discovering something about himself on Shaboady or even in Fishman island, where he feels he is needed, and becomes what he always wanted. A super duper hero! He'd be known as the man of steel… gasp! it will happen!
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I still don't see anyome who will join
Why then not just leaning back and saying nothing instead of constantly spamming this thread with new names whenever a certain character does something impressive in the recent chapter? :getlost:
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Why then not just leaning back and saying nothing instead of constantly spamming this thread with new names whenever a certain character does something impressive in the recent chapter? :getlost:
Cuz this a speculation thread… And I just speculate for what reason someon can join. I just say 4 names. 2 are always in the discussion...
Boa
Jinbei
Perona
CrocBut like I said. for NOW no one is likely... And look what stupid theories were written about Boa...
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Cuz this a speculation thread… And I just speculate for what reason someon can join. I just say 4 names. 2 are always in the discussion...
Boa
Jinbei
Perona
CrocBut like I said. for NOW no one is likely... And look what stupid theories were written about Boa...
I know that this is a speculation thread but everything's got a limit. But when I look at a) your post count in this thread and b) the content of said posts then your input simply does strike as spamming. Seriously, I bet that if we'd delete 3/4 or your posts in this very thread we'd be still keeping every single argument you've ever made for every character.
The constant repeating your arguments is what makes it spam. Didn't I already tell you that I've received lots of complaint PMs about you from people who thought that I'm a moderator already? Well, this would be exactly one of those reasons why people complained before me. And I can't say that I don't see their reasoning.
I mean, you're still free to do what you want here. But I thought you'd like to know that your constant switch to the next best character whose actions impress you to be the next crewmate does make you appear as a weak minded fool. And an annoying spammer. Feel free to disagree.
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I know that this is a speculation thread but everything's got a limit. But when I look at a) your post count in this thread and b) the content of said posts then your input simply does strike as spamming. Seriously, I bet that if we'd delete 3/4 or your posts in this very thread we'd be still keeping every single argument you've ever made for every character.
The constant repeating your arguments is what makes it spam. Didn't I already tell you that I've received lots of complaint PMs about you from people who thought that I'm a moderator already? Well, this would be exactly one of those reasons why people complained before me. And I can't say that I don't see their reasoning.
I mean, you're still free to do what you want here. But I thought you'd like to know that your constant switch to the next best character whose actions impress you to be the next crewmate does make you appear as a weak minded fool. And an annoying spammer. Feel free to disagree.
I'm just disagree with this… Like I said it isn't that I really want the to see in the crew cuz I love them that much.... I'm just saying it cuz I think they are candidates. Nothing... If we don't get them it is OK in my eyes.
With the rest OK I agree... But if you look closely each argument brought by some, not just by me, is repeated and repeated again. Like I said in a lot of posts here... This thread is going in circles for a long time.
But a lot of people just didn't read the whole thread from the very beginning and the same things are said more than one time.
But seriously so you have to claim that most of the hardcore Boa supporters or others are repeated in the same manners as mine.
Feel free to disagree.
But I quit postng here. Speculating over recent actions which happened in the chapters are wrong.
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I need to add in my opinion on this now.
I believe that crocodile will leave and make his own crew which will include Mr. 1 and travel to the New World. Here he will become a recurring villain much like buggy or smoker in the sense that he may not appear as a major villain anymore but appear as a distraction to the crew that ends up helping the plot move along i.e. Buggy helps luffy escape impel down
I find his chance of joining very slim and see him as more of a rival than crewmate.I have very high doubts that either Jinbei or Hancock will join the crew. They just seem to have too much role of there own. I mean Jinbei may accompany them for a bit but will leave at fishman isle to stay with his people and Hancock only cares about luffy. She has this attitude towards other ppl (not including luffy) which i can't see changing and she has a whole island to protect and govern, especially if she loses her status as a schichibukai (although i don't see that happening) There also characters with plenty of experience and power which must other crew members don't have when joining.
Although Perona has the most backing her up it's her fighting style i don't see fitting in. Although it's unique her powers can take down anyone in one blow (except for usopp who's permantly negative). If she always took down the villain in one blow her fights would appear rather dull and boring. Apart from that i think she would be quite alright. Her relationship with zoro shows she can adapt and become friends with ppl and her personality is different like most of the crews with hers being more like the spoilt child personality. I can imagine her throwing tantrums and then be scoulded by Nami or something.
My final point is about who i think will be the new crew member. most crew members (except for robin) hadn't been seen b4 and introduced during the arc they join and i can imagine this being the same thing. They've also got to stand out from the rest of the crew and give off a balance with the crew in terms of power, sex and attitude. I believe it will be a fishwoman introduced once they arrive at fishman island. As a girl it evens it out a bit in terms of male:female ratio (not acc even like 50:50 but sort of what you'd excpect in a manga like this) she would also use fishman karate as her fighting style which coincides with this other theroy i heard on fighting styles on how there getting similar but different (luffy & franky do both ranged and close but luffys is his ability and franky's is a weopon, Zoro & brook both use swords but in different style. This would work as fishman karate could work with sanji's blood leg style of fighting) Power as well would add another actual fighter, porbably with a franky/brook strength.
Personality wise i have an idea as i think when news that the strawhats defended the fishmen in saboday archipelago hits fishman island they will celebrate the strawhats instead of hating them for being humans like most fishmen, all except for one fishperson who had some bad history with humans (i.e. parents killed by humans) and so judges all humans as the same, but will eventually become friends with the strawhats and learn that not all humans are the same. There are good ones.
That should explain everything except role in the crew and dream but then robin doesn't have much role as a crew mate (i.e. Luffy=captain chopper=doctor nami=navigator) so thats not really major as for dream i have no idea because i don't know what a fishman would want unless it was respect by humans (or all humans dead like arlong but i don't see that as her dream)Im accepting criticisam on this so tell me what you think
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With the rest OK I agree... But if you look closely each argument brought by some, not just by me, is repeated and repeated again. Like I said in a lot of posts here... This thread is going in circles for a long time.
But a lot of people just didn't read the whole thread from the very beginning and the same things are said more than one time.
But seriously so you have to claim that most of the hardcore Boa supporters or others are repeated in the same manners as mine.
...I never said that you don't have a point. What I was saying is that albeit all the stuff others contributed you do stand out in here these past couple of months.
I'm really not telling you to stop since a) I'm not in a position to do so nor b) would I have any real reason if I'd be since you're definitely not breaking any rules. I just felt the need to bring this matter to your attention since I'm picking up certain vibes again lately. ;)
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I need to add in my opinion on this now.
I believe that crocodile will leave and make his own crew which will include Mr. 1 and travel to the New World. Here he will become a recurring villain much like buggy or smoker in the sense that he may not appear as a major villain anymore but appear as a distraction to the crew that ends up helping the plot move along i.e. Buggy helps luffy escape impel down
I find his chance of joining very slim and see him as more of a rival than crewmate.I have very high doubts that either Jinbei or Hancock will join the crew. They just seem to have too much role of there own. I mean Jinbei may accompany them for a bit but will leave at fishman isle to stay with his people and Hancock only cares about luffy. She has this attitude towards other ppl (not including luffy) which i can't see changing and she has a whole island to protect and govern, especially if she loses her status as a schichibukai (although i don't see that happening) There also characters with plenty of experience and power which must other crew members don't have when joining.
Although Perona has the most backing her up it's her fighting style i don't see fitting in. Although it's unique her powers can take down anyone in one blow (except for usopp who's permantly negative). If she always took down the villain in one blow her fights would appear rather dull and boring. Apart from that i think she would be quite alright. Her relationship with zoro shows she can adapt and become friends with ppl and her personality is different like most of the crews with hers being more like the spoilt child personality. I can imagine her throwing tantrums and then be scoulded by Nami or something.
My final point is about who i think will be the new crew member. most crew members (except for robin) hadn't been seen b4 and introduced during the arc they join and i can imagine this being the same thing. They've also got to stand out from the rest of the crew and give off a balance with the crew in terms of power, sex and attitude. I believe it will be a fishwoman introduced once they arrive at fishman island. As a girl it evens it out a bit in terms of male:female ratio (not acc even like 50:50 but sort of what you'd excpect in a manga like this) she would also use fishman karate as her fighting style which coincides with this other theroy i heard on fighting styles on how there getting similar but different (luffy & franky do both ranged and close but luffys is his ability and franky's is a weopon, Zoro & brook both use swords but in different style. This would work as fishman karate could work with sanji's blood leg style of fighting) Power as well would add another actual fighter, porbably with a franky/brook strength.
Personality wise i have an idea as i think when news that the strawhats defended the fishmen in saboday archipelago hits fishman island they will celebrate the strawhats instead of hating them for being humans like most fishmen, all except for one fishperson who had some bad history with humans (i.e. parents killed by humans) and so judges all humans as the same, but will eventually become friends with the strawhats and learn that not all humans are the same. There are good ones.
That should explain everything except role in the crew and dream but then robin doesn't have much role as a crew mate (i.e. Luffy=captain chopper=doctor nami=navigator) so thats not really major as for dream i have no idea because i don't know what a fishman would want unless it was respect by humans (or all humans dead like arlong but i don't see that as her dream)Im accepting criticisam on this so tell me what you think
I have to say really good post. The only thing I would disagree is with Peronas powers. I doubt that top tiers later in the NW would be effected by her negative ghosts.
But like I said in my previous post. I will quit writing from NOW on about this topic but I will read what people like you think.
@Ivotas
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Long opinion post coming up.
I agree, Perona's powers probably are not all inclusive, after all, Usopp did beat her, but, it was still on a technicality. It was just because he figured out her weakness (or rather, one of them) and basically scared her into fainting. That's not a full win really, it's just a technical win, especially since she wasn't beaten up, just scared out of her mind.
But in the New World, I bet there are a bunch of people that could find a way around her powers. Her Negative Horo is not an instant win. It obviously wears off in a few minutes, and after awhile, someone smart (and this makes up a good majority of the One Piece villains now adays) would be able to figure out a way around it, I'm sure. This is Oda, after all, he's the master at being able to do this stuff.
As for crew dynamics, I think it's perfect too. They need another woman, and I honestly don't think Hancock will join. And not because I dislike her, but because she would spend her entire time fighting with everyone who opposed Luffy, I have a feeling that she and Nami would constantly be at odds with one another and the only reason she would be in the crew whatsoever, would be to be with Luffy. Which would get so incredibly old. She doesn't have to be with him to survive, she just has to be off of the island and not suppress her emotions.
Perona would probably make a really good look out, and be able to find out things much quicker than the rest of the crew, as long as someone was watching her body that is. An informant if you will. Her powers would be able to come in handy to the Straw Hats. I know that people seem to really doubt her joining though, but apparently, it's a popular theory in Japan.
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I love this thread, it's full of useful information.
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Kokoro for nakamate.
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I have to say really good post. The only thing I would disagree is with Peronas powers. I doubt that top tiers later in the NW would be effected by her negative ghosts.
Thank you. I would like to see perona as a crew. She is up there with bon-chan as one of my top hopefuls.
There probably is some weakness to her power but im wondering what her dream would be and whether she would be a top or bottom tier character because although she can fight i have this feeling that she would only fight if thretened like she was with usopp
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Kokoro for nakamate.
Dr. Indigo. Someone with such a catchy name should join. Mr. Oda can definitely make it happen if he wants. kthx.
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Jinbei's ex-girlfriend should join the crew. Remember, the one he could never beat in a fight, even though she never learned real Fishman Karate? If I recall correctly, she wasn't allowed to learn real Fishman Karate, so she learned some weird version from her grandpa that she was really close to. It was particularly emotional when she was made fun of as a child for pursuing it, but she never gave up and said that she would prove to the world that she would be the world's strongest open-handed female fighter. Then her grandpa was murdered by pirates, which totally sucked, and when she tried to avenge him she barely survived. Anyway, I am straying off topic, the point is! She should join.
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Jinbei's ex-girlfriend should join the crew. Remember, the one he could never beat in a fight, even though she never learned real Fishman Karate? If I recall correctly, she wasn't allowed to learn real Fishman Karate, so she learned some weird version from her grandpa that she was really close to. It was particularly emotional when she was made fun of as a child for pursuing it, but she never gave up and said that she would prove to the world that she would be the world's strongest open-handed female fighter. Then her grandpa was murdered by pirates, which totally sucked, and when she tried to avenge him she barely survived. Anyway, I am straying off topic, the point is! She should join.
I remember! After that she lost her memory due to this gruesome battle and was thrown into the ocean by the merciless pirates to drown. But it wasn't her time to die yet! Through a miracle she was eaten by a gigantic seaking instead, which, through a whim of fate, was slain by a couple of hunters before it digested her. The hunters brought her back to their Island on the Calm Belt, nursed her and finally renamed her to "Marguerite", because she couldn't even remember her own name!
But someday her memory will come back, together with her knowledge of lethal open-handed fighting! That's the day she will return to Fishman Island with new Haki-imbued Karate powers and claim the title of best fighter of the planet! BOOOOM -
Well, that explains the missing intro box I suppose. Oda's waiting until then so that he can reveal it with a DON!!
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There's a big difference between having an entire crew and having a sidekick. A person can leave an entire crew, and they'll be sad, but they'll all still have each other (like Franky did). Mr 1 is a legitimate problem for Croc joining, which is much more complicated than a simple plot issue. Hancock's problem is just a simple plot issue of her island getting put in danger if she leaves. That problem is a massive hurdle in my eyes, but her overall chances should be far better Croc's, even if they are slim as it is.
i think mr 1 could end up joining one of the supernovas crew. although with that said no way does crocodile join the strawhats.
Though I do believe Croc will accompany the SH for a bit to the New World I could see Mr 1 discovering something about himself on Shaboady or even in Fishman island, where he feels he is needed, and becomes what he always wanted. A super duper hero! He'd be known as the man of steel… gasp! it will happen!
i like that even more. that or maybe he ends up joining the revolutionaries.
perona is very beatable so i don't see why people think her style is too hard. if somebody with any kind of speed fights her then they have a real shot at winning. her ghost still have to catch somebody for it to work.
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Finally found a hint of a weakness in Perona's power!
Anybody ever noticed how she never used her negative hollows on women. She never met Robin in person (and the ghosts never touched her), and when she was just about to face off against Nami, all she summoned was Mini Hollows. Perhaps, for some reason, her power is uneffective against women?
If so, would that perhaps make her more plausible to join? :P
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Finally found a hint of a weakness in Perona's power!
Anybody ever noticed how she never used her negative hollows on women. She never met Robin in person (and the ghosts never touched her), and when she was just about to face off against Nami, all she summoned was Mini Hollows. Perhaps, for some reason, her power is uneffective against women?
If so, would that perhaps make her more plausible to join? :P
Then why would she plan to take out Robin, if she knew her powers wouldn't work? The only reason Perona didn't fight Robin is because Orz fucked it up!
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Then why would she plan to take out Robin, if she knew her powers wouldn't work? The only reason Perona didn't fight Robin is because Orz fucked it up!
She does have faith in her mini-hollows as well and I think she believes women shouldn't be as much a problem as the men.
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I personally think you guys are really good at this, heck, you guys seem to be fairly -more than- aware of the "logic" between a nakama that can join and one that cannot.
I.e.
The Hancock arguments being centered around an emotional.
The Perona arguments being centered around logic.
It pits; emotion vs reason…
Which is the best?
Perona has been notably shown with a method of meeting up with the strawhat crew, even though it is not obvious to everyone, the idea is present that it is visible and probable.
Hancock has not been shown as a definite character who will defect from the marine side and then join the WB side in order to remain by Luffy's side as a means of showing a path for her to follow towards being a nakama...
So, we end up questioning that which we know as emotion or logic.
As a logical thinking, I rather use my reasoning skills to decide on these things.
They suggest that Perona, Zoro, and basically no other known signs of life exist.
Zoro cannot follow any direction; therefore a VIVRE card which works like a compass is beyond his abilities.
Perona, who was shown to follow directions using her Devil Fruit ability when she basically flew out to find and accurately locate the signal flare that was sent from that barrel. She found the ship and had managed to know the general idea of that.
Technically, she was able to locate a barrel in the middle of a random hectic weather that is the grand line. This is quite amazing actually. Zoro couldn't even find the stairs in front of his view when someone points to it...
So, since the idea of Zoro following a compass is bad, thinking Zoro can follow a vivre card is probably as bad... I just cannot imagine any way for Zoro to not rely on Perona.
To be honest, I think that they are already teamed up and are basically searching for "ship" or something that will allow them to embark towards the location. This be said because of various things, but it is seemingly evident. Anyhow, Zoro is tending the low ground as Perona handles the high ground.
She is flying around to do what Zoro isn't able to do, in addition, she is probably still resting her body because of how she nursed him back to health... She did seem "tired" after that.
So, she's basically being able to rest her body and to move around and such to assist his needs of a way to leave the island.
This can be rational thought that just shows that they are already working together...
If they find a ship, they can take that to head to SA and she can probably either request to join or get invited.
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The Perona arguments being centered around logic.
Lolwhat. It sounds like your entire argument for Perona joining the crew is that Zoro needs help with directions. That does not a crew member make.
Perona abandoned Moria when things started looking a little bit bad, even though she really liked being in his crew. That does not a crew member make.
There's absolutely no reason, when she finds her way back, to go with Luffy when she could just join back up with Moria, who she likes. I don't see any hints at all, anywhere, that this should happen.
I'm not big on the Hancock theory either, since I've always felt that Jinbei has more going for him to join, but both seem to have a lot more of a logical basis going for them than Perona.
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Lolwhat. It sounds like your entire argument for Perona joining the crew is that Zoro needs help with directions. That does not a crew member make.
Perona abandoned Moria when things started looking a little bit bad, even though she really liked being in his crew. That does not a crew member make.
There's absolutely no reason, when she finds her way back, to go with Luffy when she could just join back up with Moria, who she likes. I don't see any hints at all, anywhere, that this should happen.
I'm not big on the Hancock theory either, since I've always felt that Jinbei has more going for him to join, but both seem to have a lot more of a logical basis going for them than Perona.
To be honest, no.
My Perona overview is rather deep… That is like a little sample from the surface.
When someone types:
-Zoro can't handle directions.
-Perona can.
-Perona and Zoro are on an island alone.
-Oda has Zoro get help with directions.
-Oda has two characters there.
-Perona and Zoro will go to SA.Now, in order to convince someone that Perona can join, this part basically relies on literal reads and judging her character.
One, you can claim she is lonely. Two, you can state that with evidence from the manga; according to Perona, she joined Moria's crew for a lousy concept like "fun"...
Yes, "fun".
So, after basically thinking that she's not having fun alone in her dream island of choice, she desires to have servants (a form of company) and therefore, if she wants "people" to be around, magically, she helps Zoro and then she asks to join because the loneliness in her heart forces her to seek attention/ company. her solution, according to what is known to be there at SA; SH crew, Rayleigh, and probably Hatchi, Shakky, and Caimie...
Other than the old man, old woman, and fish people, it is more than likely that Perona would probably pick SH crew.
When I type stuff like that, people can't seem to accept it. So, I basically just stress something until someone says "true"!! and then I stress another thing until it is confirmed so that people follow along.
I can seriously go deep on this, but I choose to go "step by step" just to basically have people follow along.
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To you all who support Perona as the new crew member, did you think about just how she is the perfect example of how reliant people become on their Devil Fruits?
Take away Perona's devil fruit, and she's weaker than the average marine fodder, she has practically no fighting skills at all, and would get completely destroyed by any opponent in the New World as they would either avoid the ghosts or just take her out in one hit before she can act.
So unless we just want a devil fruit in the crew, I wouldn't imagine Perona is a good choice…really.
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@Judgement's:
To you all who support Perona as the new crew member, did you think about just how she is the perfect example of how reliant people become on their Devil Fruits?
Take away Perona's devil fruit, and she's weaker than the average marine fodder, she has practically no fighting skills at all, and would get completely destroyed by any opponent in the New World as they would either avoid the ghosts or just take her out in one hit before she can act.
So unless we just want a devil fruit in the crew, I wouldn't imagine Perona is a good choice…really.
So, Robin is the undisputed champion of the world?
If we do the same for Robin, she's not really going to lift houses and throw them at people like Zoro, she's not going to spin in a circle to ignite her legs for some BBQ!!
No, Robin would be just as weak as Perona would be without her devil fruit.
In addition, your judgment on her "physical" ability is falsely done. You have nothing to suggest that claim, as I have nothing to suggest you are wrong. I have the ability to disprove that your claim over Perona's reliance on a DF is very wrong.
So, will you continue?
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Very true, Robin is another example, and that is exactly the reason why some of us are opposed to having a similar character (power-wise). Two characters wholly dependant on Devil Fruits would after all be quite…boring, really. After all, diversity is the flavor of life, no?
And as for Perona's physical performance, we saw exactly how helpless she became when trapped with the glue from Usopp. If she was truly capable of any physical feat, she probably would have found some way to escape the situation, or would you disagree?
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@Judgement's:
Very true, Robin is another example, and that is exactly the reason why some of us are opposed to having a similar character (power-wise). Two characters wholly dependant on Devil Fruits would after all be quite…boring, really. After all, diversity is the flavor of life, no?
So, Chopper being forced to use his fists all the time. Luffy does that.
Brook using a sword, but it is fencing… Zoro doesn't do that and it is so different...
Having a new Devil Fruit user that doesn't basically rely on grappling techniques and relies on blowing people up!!
I mean, does this seem that similar? One can make things go BOOM!! Other can grow wings and basically hands that will "slap" someone.
BOOM!! vs SLAP!!