…yeah, that's a good point. Also, notice they didn't show Baroque Works reading the newspaper and seeing Robin's bounty?
Chapter 440 "Fire Fist vs. Blackbeard" Discussion
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As you can see, I changed my signature. That Dragon picture is just too good to not to be used.
I even considered to change my avatar to Ace, but that would be too fanboyish.
This chapter really put me thinking. Is Dragon good or bad?
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It's not really clear yet. He's an enemy of the WG, so how bad could he be?…as far as we know.
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@Impel:
It's not really clear yet. He's an enemy of the WG, so how bad could he be?…as far as we know.
Well, because of him hundreds of people are killing each others.
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The man Destroys countries with possibly innocent bystanders in his way. But
"revolution is bloody, revolution is hostile, revolution knows no compromise, revolution over turns and destroys everything that gets in its way" - Malcolm X
I bet thats what he's living by right now. He would probably use it in a speech.
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Thank You for the chapter.
Can't wait for the 441's
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II doubt that Lafitte can do soru, why would a marine from west blue be able to do that, and plus it would be a lame.
Well I could be wrong, but wasn't the sound affect used right by his appearance the same as whenever someone uses soru? Though you don't need to use soru to move as fast or faster.
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Dragon = Che…is it me or do u see the same ideal trying, to revolutionize the whole world starting in the south blue then pusing across the world. Like bolivia. Unlike Che he may succed, but like Che he will fail not getting the clear picture the luffy will show his father. Its not about the world its about you as a Indv. I also want to say that we now can gauge ace's and BB power he is stronger than auger and Burgess but maynot be stronger then BB. So if BB can beat Ace That will make him stronger than smoker as well. And as shown before BB is on Par with an Shanks, and shanks is on par with WB. So BB might be the strongest in the world of OP in the next chapter if he beats Ace. B/c my imperssion is that ace is not on par with Shanks if shanks is worried about him.
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well, you can bet Blackbeard is going to own Ace one way or another…...
because he is confident enough with that logia he has.....
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Why do people always want to shoehorn Admirals, Emperors or Shichibukais as final opponents for some of the lower strawhats? Just because Zoro will fight a Shichibukai at the very end doesn't mean Sanji must do the same with an equally powerful opponent. That'd be worthless fanservice and a downgrade of some of these badass characters.
To see Sengoku get his ass kicked by the cotton candy loving pet or the love cook with the hand drawn bounty poster beat one Emperor would be ridiculous. That's why BB and his men seem to be perfect final opponents; they're likely extremely powerful yet none of them have that aura the members of the 3 Great Powers of Grandline possess.
Τhe love cook is the third strongest fighter in the future's pirate king crew and that cotton candy loving pet in his monster point kicks ass so the most possible development is that they both will get a powerhouse and especially sanji who will always be near to zoro and luffy
chopper may fight the weakest character of the 3 powers but he will fight one
oda may be unpredictable but this is a shonen.
just tell me you don't know who 3 SH will fight the 3 admirals
the BB crew except of BB is way weaker than Ace and i don't find the battle SH vs BB needed cuz sanji and zoro (especially zoro) won't get a worthy opponent as the BB crew is now,if BB recruits 2 more nakama very close to his power then i can see this fight being interesting
and BB may want to become the PK but sso does buggy and krieg,does this mean that they will be faced in the end? BB will be a close opponent
the only part where i could agree with you is that usopp (if he remains like that) and nami propably won't get such a good opponent
also it would get rather boring if the SH always fight as a crew,sometime in the story they will have to fight different individuals to accomplish their different dreams,i don't see why sanji or franky will have to face a WB nakama if luffy fights him,just like the shanks vs WB is,their nakama are watching,not fighting
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I must say, I do love the fact that Oda gave Ace freckles. I just had to say that.
This is an interesting chapter, which does confirm the existence of the "Dark" devil fruit. But now the question is, if there is a Darkness devil fruit, is there a "Light" devil fruit? It would be kickass if there was.
However one things now has me thinking. Garp's full name is Monkey D. Garp, Dragon's is Monkey D. Dragon, and of course we have Monkey D. Luffy. But Ace, Luffy's older brother, is Portgas D. Ace. Does this mean he has a different mother? Or is it the other way around and he and Luffy have the same mother but different fathers? Or is the Monkey name a sort of title that is given to one particular child by the father? It's all confusing.
@Roz:
I thought that it was referring to Luffy's father.
Er . . . Dragon is Luffy's father, so that's a no-go. I personally think it might refer to either his mother or perhaps his great-grandfather. I mean, if Kureha's still alive Luffy's great-grandfather could still be alive too.
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Τhe love cook is the third strongest fighter in the future's pirate king crew and that cotton candy loving pet in his monster point kicks ass so the most possible development is that they both will get a powerhouse and especially sanji who will always be near to zoro and luffy
Luffy's the future pirate king. Zoro's the future best swordsman in the world. And Sanji is? The future best cook in the world? The future 3rd strongest member of the Pirate King's crew? That's not a title. That's not an objective that needs to defeat a powerful rival (Blackbeard, Mihawk) to accomplish it. As I said, it would mean nothing story wise, it would just be fanservice.
Not to mention what I love about One Piece is Luffy's crew may be extremely strong, but they're almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. Luffy was on the verge of dying three times when he fought a Shichibukai. Remember how many times they just ran away from Marine HQ forces while they probably had no chance to win the battle. Plus look how the world doesn't resolve around the Strawhats, with the Whitebeard/Shanks argument or the Ace/Teach battle. Having Sanji, Chopper or Franky beat a member of the 3 great powers wouldn't feel right, even at the end of the manga.
Luffy and Zoro are the ones destined to great things, fighting wise. The others have different dreams, it's not even sure they'll all have a "final opponent". I'm not sure I'd like to see another Enies Lobby round of fights with two more crewmembers.
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Luffy's the future pirate king. Zoro's the future best swordsman in the world. And Sanji is? The future best cook in the world? The future 3rd strongest member of the Pirate King's crew? That's not a title. That's not an objective that needs to defeat a powerful rival (Blackbeard, Mihawk) to accomplish it. As I said, it would mean nothing story wise, it would just be fanservice.
Not to mention what I love about One Piece is Luffy's crew may be extremely strong, but they're almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. Luffy was on the verge of dying three times when he fought a Shichibukai. Remember how many times they just ran away from Marine HQ forces while they probably had no chance to win the battle. Plus look how the world doesn't resolve around the Strawhats, with the Whitebeard/Shanks argument or the Ace/Teach battle. Having Sanji, Chopper or Franky beat a member of the 3 great powers wouldn't feel right, even at the end of the manga.
Luffy and Zoro are the ones destined to great things, fighting wise. The others have different dreams, it's not even sure they'll all have a "final opponent". I'm not sure I'd like to see another Enies Lobby round of fights with two more crewmembers.
you are right in some point but we don't know how things will turn out
sanji doesn't have a "i will be the best" dream but that doesn't stop him from protecting his nakama and at the end of the story he might have to win in order to survive and find all blue.
on the other hand franky may fight sengoku in order to find tom although his dream doesn't include fighting
chopper has a dream too and he will have to fight for it in the future
we are near the half of one piece (if it really lasts 1000 chapters) so we don't know how things will turn out,some of those badass characters that are propably the top 10 in one piece may have been drawn with plans or ideals opposite with some of the SH so that they will collide in the future and these Sh's last fights will have the best given opponent and will mean their dream's accomplishment
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One big hint towards other members fighting the great powers, I think, is Barthalomew Kuma, a shichibukai who was introduced as secondary to Donflamingo right when he was introduced. Since he doesn't have a sword, odds are he'll fight another SH.
Of course, there's also the scenario that many of them will be "taken out" through other means, like fighting each other. Well, I think this can only happen so many times before they get old.
Meanwhile, Luffy can only fight so many shichbukai until it stops meaning anything. In addition, it doesn't seem like all these guys can be arc villians. So, should the Sh crew run into more shichibukai, it seems to make sense that other SHs will fight them. And the likes of Sanji, or even Chopper someday, may have the power to do it. Even Chopper now has the power to anihilate a CP9, so what's next?
Cause really, many of these guys seem to be set up to be opponents of the SHs, otherwise we wouldn't have seen Croc and Aokiji fight them so far.
If you haven't noticed, the level of fighters that the SHs fight grow over the arcs. It started from normal pirates in East Blue to super assassians here. The level of opponent they face keeps evolving, so I don't think an arc where the crew fights several world powers is too far off.
And, "fanservice?" How can we say that until the fights actually happen? The CP9 fights, from a story point, really only needed one–maybe two--fights. Or none. Yet, we got 8, and they all had developments of their own. Like Chopper, who from some people's perspectives could be "skipped," got this monster point.
After all, all the Strawhats are main characeters in their own right, otherwise they wouldn't get so much spotlight.
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It's always possible that One Piece will end like it started, with Luffy alone, running toward "One Piece" whatever that may be. Zoro will be laying in a pool of blood after his fight with Mihawk, and the others will be manning the Thousand Sunny. Then again, theres more crewmen to be recruited, who also could have fighting goals.
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It's always possible that One Piece will end like it started, with Luffy alone, running toward "One Piece" whatever that may be. Zoro will be laying in a pool of blood after his fight with Mihawk, and the others will be manning the Thousand Sunny. Then again, theres more crewmen to be recruited, who also could have fighting goals.
I don't think that's how things will turn out regarding Zoro's fight; if Oda allows Zoro to beat Mihawk before Raftel or early on during it, such an accomplishment puts greater pressure on Luffy to achieve his goal and beat his "final boss".
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Dreams in Strawhat crew that can be achieved any time:
-Usopp dream of becoming a brave man of the seas.
-All-Blue dream from Sanji.
-The Doctor-that-can-cure-any-disease from Chopper.
-Zoro becoming the best swordman.Dreams who need to travel to the end of the world:
-Nico Robin true story.
-Nami wish to draw a map of the world.
-Franky´s Dream.
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I don't think that's how things will turn out regarding Zoro's fight; if Oda allows Zoro to beat Mihawk before Raftel or early on during it, such an accomplishment puts greater pressure on Luffy to achieve his goal and beat his "final boss".
And what's wrong with that? That's what happened in the last arc and in a few other arcs. Odds are, Luffy will accomplish his goal last. Hell, part of his goals is the goals of his crew.
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I still can't see Luffy reaching Raftel with his entire crew. Once the SHs accomplish their dreams, I dont think they'll have reasons to have final fights. Sanji should have his final fight around the same time he finds All Blue, etc etc. The only 3 who may have final fights on Raftel are Zoro, Luffy and Robin [Raftel may contain the Rio Ponyglyph]
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I still can't see Luffy reaching Raftel with his entire crew.
Of course he'll reach Raftel with his nakama. That's the point of the series, in case you've missed it.
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Meh, I didnt mean the island Raftel itself, but I cant see the entire crew running up to One Piece and jumping up and down congratulating the new Pirate King. I hope for a more dramatic ending.
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I still can't see Luffy reaching Raftel with his entire crew. Once the SHs accomplish their dreams, I dont think they'll have reasons to have final fights. Sanji should have his final fight around the same time he finds All Blue, etc etc. The only 3 who may have final fights on Raftel are Zoro, Luffy and Robin [Raftel may contain the Rio Ponyglyph]
sure they have ultimate goals but they are nakama till the end why would they abandon luffy just because they have accomplished they're goals? they will probably seperate one day but that's only after luffy becomes pirate king. i think the same thing happened with gold roger. after he reached his goal he disassembled the entire crew and let them go pursue whatever they wanted and that's when the world government captured him when he was alone.
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Well, Gol D. didn't really have a goal since there was no One Piece. He just wanted to explore and be a pirate, which made him powerful.
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@Impel:
Well, Gol D. didn't really have a goal since there was no One Piece. He just wanted to explore and be a pirate, which made him powerful.
Chapter 301 page 12 gives at least a clue of what Gold D. Roger was looking for. "We came here and found this text and followed its guidance." I think he like Robin followed the stones to find out where they lead. I also wouldn't be suprised if One Piece isn't something he left but something he was also trying to find through the stones. To support that you can look on page 13 of the same chapter where Robin says "Can it be that the 'true' historical text is actually …".
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We all realise that there is this strong underlieing theme in OP where Luffy needs the support of his crewmembers to help him survive and achieve his goals. And that he earned this support through showing his determination and resolve in helping each with their own individual promblems.
Well, I think as the series goes on he'll start to gain support from strong pirates such as Shanks who are willing to help him become The Pirate King. Some of this has already started with all the islands he's helped liberate.
So in the end it'll eventually come down to those who support Blackbeard as opposed to those who support Luffy. Pirates and marines/WG fighting for both sides possibly even giants and fishmen.
Thats how I see it goin down IMO. I just can't see Luffy defeating Blackbeard right now. He'll need help, but thats okay. It wouldn't diminish his accomplishments in my view.
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I say, Blackbeard and the Straw hats will meet at Raftel along with Dragon at the same time. Luffy will go rushing looking for One Piece and somehow confronts BB and Dragon, and Sengoku right in front of One Piece. Something crazy happens between Dragon and Sengoku, and Luffy and BB duke it out. Meanwhile, the rest of the straw hats are trying to deal with the rest of the BB pirates. Dragon's revolution has backfired and now he is the only one left trying to achieve his goals, and tries desperately to get Luffy to be alongside him.
I see those 4 all being at Raftel at the same time. Zoro has already become the best swordsman, Sanji already found All Blue, Usopp becomes the brave warrior of the sea by defeating Van Auger, and all the others achieve their goals after Luffy becomes Pirate King.
Heh, my crazy ideas….....will never come true........
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OK GUYS, 4 real this time:
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/jchapters.html
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Dadan…Luffy's real mom? Ace's dad? That name's gonna bother me. Thanks stephen for translation though.
edit:also from the translation it makes it seem that Zoro's sensei doesn't like Zoro's path but he's okay as long as he follows the way of the sword
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OK GUYS, 4 real this time:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r237/abara2k6/op440.png
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/jchapters.html
Hmm… the word brother is in quotations. Any reason?
And I think Dadan is Dragon, it's just the name the Cheif uses to refer to him.
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I don't think Dadan is Dragon…. because that would mean the chief is assuming that the World's Most Wanted Criminal doesn't know what Luffy has done, when his own village are celebrating Luffy's ascension!
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Part of me really thinks that Dadan may be the "friend" that Garp left Luffy to train with.
Just my first instinct.
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Yeah that does sound about right. My, if that chapter hadn't of been one of many awesome quality chapters recently it would have blown my mind for the lack of preparation of sudden suprises Oda has given away in the last 10 chapters.
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how can more and more people think BB could possibly be luffy's last opponent?
shanks has that scar for decades if you ask me,it's in his FLAG,i am sure he got it even before he made his crew,propably he was still developing a lot then,not to say he is still developing (marco said his spirit was higher than ever)
and shanks can be the weakest of the yonkou
BB wants to become a schichibukai so he can have protection from guys like WB and accomplish his plans way easily
he must be at least 45,he raised his power as much as he could and without his DF he wouldn't stand a chance against WB and he even left after he got it
he is not destined to become luffy's last opponent,look at his nakama,what final opponents and crap? even all of them together wouldn't stand 1 second with zoro after he beats mihawk
BB did run away after he got his fruit,he is weaker than WB and he is already pretty old to have hopes of becoming stronger
everybody is filled with excitement,i'd like to see if BB is running away from ace by escaping with his crew in the next chapter what are you people gonna say?
again if that chicken was that strong he wouldn't run away after he got the fruit,he would stay and fight WB
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He would've stayed and fought the strongest man alive, and his three commanders at the same time? Me thinks not.
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My money is on Blackbeard. Would Oda introduce the most infamous pirate in history into his series just so he could be defeated by Portagas D. Ace?
Also, it's a non strawhat battle. We probably won't know how this ends for a while.
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Thanks for that translation Stephen.
I don't know if anyone said anything, but it seems its confrimed that Zoro's town is in East Blue. Some people have been speculating it was all over the place and he got there with his terrible sense of direction.
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BB did run away after he got his fruit,he is weaker than WB and he is already pretty old to have hopes of becoming stronger
everybody is filled with excitement,i'd like to see if BB is running away from ace by escaping with his crew in the next chapter what are you people gonna say?
theres no age limit for getting stronger and nah not likely after the "im gonna rape you" face Blackbeard did when he unveiled his power so the next chapter were either getting a long drawn out fight which i doubt or were just gonna see Blackbeard holding poochies bloodstained carcass which im both leaning toward due to likelihood and also hoping for cause i wanna see him beaten silly^^
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blacbeard's crew does indeed suck alot more than originally thought. THey'd be goners if Aokiji or another Admiral came along. Black Bear was in whitebeards crew and gave shanks the scar when shanks was in roger's crew, since they always fought each other. Obviously one of these fights or all of them made Buggy scared out of his mind of Whitebeard.
Also now that BB has a Logia fruit, the Darkness fruit, well he's even stronger, since Darkness may be dealing with even Dark Matter in some attacks, making him one of the stornger DFs, possibly even another "invincible" fruits we found out about with Enel, which can only be defeated by it's opposite element, or Kairoseki, and even then those who have Devil Fruits are already str4ong thmeselves, and strive for reater power, otherwise they probably wouldn't have gotten a DF since the only way is with money or by stealing it from someone else(this includes confiscation by the world government and pillaging other piraate ships)
PS: Anyone like my new Avatar?
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Hey Hey now. Blackbeard's crew does not suck at all. Had Ace not been a logia, he would've been dead along time ago. One guy threw a hotel at Ace, and the other shot Ace in the face, heart, and the stomach within a second. He would've been long dead if not for his logia ability.
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They appearantly suck because they couldn't harm a logia, well that is only two of the members, while they themselves didn't seem that harmed from Ace's Hiken. I dout that's the full extent of either of their abilities.
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Just because they aren't on Ace's level doesn't mean they suck.
Ace is probably on roughly the same level as Enel in my opinion. That's an outrageously powerful pirate.
BB's crew is strong, but it's not like he's packing a bunch of Shichibukai or Yonkou or Admirals as underlings. They are still going to be drastically weaker than thier leader, perhaps even more so in this case than in previous ones, since BB was undoubtedly the strongest even before attaining a logia, let alone possibly one of the strongest of all logias.
And weak is relative. Let's say Van Auger as an example has a hypothetical bounty of 140 million (correlating bounty to strength in this example). Would he probably be any match for Luffy? Hell no. Would he be a titan for Ussopp to bring down? Oh hell yes.
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Ace is probably on roughly the same level as Enel in my opinion. That's an outrageously powerful pirate.
That's insulting to Ace.
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blacbeard's crew does indeed suck alot more than originally thought. THey'd be goners if Aokiji or another Admiral came along.
They suck? How? I mean, substitute any of the Straw Hats for Ace there. Van Augur kills all of them except for Luffy and Franky right then and there (and possibly Franky depending on how much of his body is armored). Even if Franky survives being shot, he still gets hit by the hotel and gets swarmed by the crew afterwards as Teach has no reason to warn them off of him. Same for Luffy.
Substituting just about any other characters in the series gets the same basic result as about the only characters guaranteed to survive Augur's sniping are Luffy and the various Logias. For example, it doesn't matter how skilled Zoro is with his swords, a bullet to the head, chest, and lower torso won't be doing him any favors.
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It does kind of cheapen the crew's threatening image though, as it's now more or less confirmed that Whitebeard's crew is overall stronger than Teach's. Don't forget that Poochie isn't even the strongest Whitebeard subordinate.
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For example, it doesn't matter how skilled Zoro is with his swords, a bullet to the head, chest, and lower torso won't be doing him any favors.
Heroes always survive fatal wounds. D;
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Zoro would have died. Remember that Luffy had to save his ass when he was captured at Morgan's base.
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Best thing about this chapter:
King Dalton
The big book of devil fruits, a friggen book detailing devil fruits hellz yeah!
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i am willing to bet that we won't see how the fights turns out…... heheheh..... besides, it will take the surprise out of us, if we already know what happened to Ace when Luffy faces Teach.....
and is Luffy going to lose prematurely again after all his crap talk about getting stronger?
I doubt it..... unless you all hope that Luffy actually is only talking crap about getting stronger......
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It does kind of cheapen the crew's threatening image though, as it's now more or less confirmed that Whitebeard's crew is overall stronger than Teach's.
… That needed confirmation?