Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !

[Greg]

@Shiebs
Like the Enies Lobby or Wano 'Assembled' square offs?

I wonder. It's all about presentation and if he can do something new.

I mean, they'll all be squaring off, but not in the same location. I find it hard for him to resist the CP9-style approach but it also might be tough to explain all of BB's crew in one place at that kind of pivotal moment.

So...it's possible he could even colorspread it. That would be interesting for sure and he can play with it as he likes.

But will evvvvvveryone show up and 'assemble' for the cause? Yep. Just a matter of realistic placement. I think what's most realistic is a contiguous series of b/w spreads, similar to the FMI finishing-move bonanza but instead with square-offs.

(Look for this theory to be duplicated elsewhere w/o credit on a Youtube channel near you!(^○^))

[T]

@Greg your thoughts on this?

[Greg]

@T
The catfish shipwright?

[T]

@Greg The little guy Shipwright design is very identical to Vegapunk

[Seafarer33]

@T It's quite a stretch to say so. All they have in common is being partly bald and able to float.

The line across the shipwright's forehead is a tied headband/rope like this : https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X1sZRwkYx-w/UIUJ7FO2cFI/AAAAAAAALBQ/mIsOmYjR2_k/s1600/hachimaki+japan.jpg

As for the mouth, shipwright has thick fish lips, nothing to do with Vegapunk's moustache.

[Greg]

He's a catfish. You see them in the Hacchan side-story. I don't think there's anything down that line of thought.

I'll never say anything is impossible, but I personally don't think there's any viable line of theory down that route. I'd love to be wrong!

[Sun. D.]

@Greg do you ever think we will get Rayleigh, Scoppers, Zeff and Oden's bounties? It's weird that we know what their captains bounties are but not any of thier subordinates.

Seems like the best place to reveal it would be the vivre cards but that didnt happen.

[FolhaS]

I think that despite Oda having already shown us the Emperor bounties and their subbordinates he still wants to keep some surprises.

I mean, by now we already know Luffy's final bounty is going to be 5,656 billions because it's a little higher than Roger and has the 56/gomu pun.
But if we follow that logic it means Zoro's bounty will be a little bit higher than Rayleigh's and Sanji's a bit higher than Scooper's.

So for now we know that Zoro and Sanji already rank pretty high but we still don't know their ceilings.
And lets not forget we actually havent seen a flashback based on the Roger Pirates, another reason to keep some surprises in the pocket.

[danie]

@FolhaS I think we already got a glimpse on how high Zoro's bounty will end up with Mihawk's. I think it was 3.5 billion, so Zoro will end up with 3.6 billion; 2 billion below Luffy's 5.6 billion. That sounds about right to me.

[desa]

@Sun-D said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Greg do you ever think we will get Rayleigh, Scoppers, Zeff and Oden's bounties? It's weird that we know what their captains bounties are but not any of thier subordinates.

Seems like the best place to reveal it would be the vivre cards but that didnt happen.

I imagine the more you wait to give bounties that wont change the easier it is to adjust it so it all seems consistent. I'm sure Oda wishes he would have hold off Blackbeard yonko bounty so he can start at 3.9B in a similar ballpark to his peers instead of having to reajust later when he had Kid and Law passing it by a great margin at wano's end.

[Shiebs]

Do you think there’s a chance Wang Zhi is the last member of the Black Beard crew or will he more likely be part of the Rocks Pirates revival

[Sun. D.]

@desa with Blackbeard his first bounty was a reference to irl Blackbeard's bounty it's also to show that teach is still climbing the pirates ladder and progressing towards his goals just like Luffy

[Greg]

Has it been stated that the BB bounty is a ref. to that? If I recall correctly I remember looking into that and it was completely off base and likely impossible for Oda to have even tracked down not to mention incorrect.

[Johnny B. Decent]

Was it adjusted for inflation?

[Cockycent]

I see it so many times, I assume a forum or reddit member said it and most just ran with it as something Oda confirmed.

[Greg]

@Johnny-B-Decent
You mean my own research? Not only did I adjust, if I recall correctly the bounty being used as reference itself wasn't even edit: confirmed correct and (likely) impossible for Oda to have tracked down without serious work and translation. I think I even posted about it here or on Twitter but without search function here it's very hard to find.

Edit: oop! Here it is!

[karubiDON]

Greg, have you ever considered the significance of Luffy’s straw hat having to do with the agricultural revolution and farming? I can’t help but think it ties into his obsession with food / hunger.

Simultaneously, I wonder if the fire motif ties into the myth of Prometheus and the dawn of mankind (supposedly evolving through our use of fire).

[Greg]

That would be applying foreign values.

That particular strawhat is the Japanese picturesque ideal outdoor headwear of young kids during summer vacation.

ie. Kids being free.

[karubiDON]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

That would be applying foreign values.

That particular strawhat is the Japanese picturesque ideal outdoor headwear of young kids during summer vacation.

ie. Kids being free.

True; though I always found Luffy’s design in Film Gold interesting. He doesn’t don a cowboy hat — but a straw, Western-style farmer’s hat. Seemed like it could’ve been a hint?

[Greg]

@karubiDON
In GOLD he's wearing the same outfit as Hunter in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas with the hat likely changed bc of the Vegas cowboy-hat-wearing high-roller stereotype.

[Shiebs]

Greg any new theories pop up for you after seeing Vegapunk’s intro monologue or Bonney’s distorted future ability this chapter?

EDIT: Do you think we'll get more clones of the Rocks Pirates? Greg is this what you meant by Rocks coming back into the story?

[karubiDON]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@karubiDON
In GOLD he's wearing the same outfit as Hunter in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas with the hat likely changed bc of the Vegas cowboy-hat-wearing high-roller stereotype.

MIND BLOWN. Love it.

Edit: The more I think about it, the more I still want to go down this rabbit hole. What of Little Oars Jr’s kasa? And Otama’s job as a weaver… these are all farming hats.

I don’t disagree that the hat may have to do with elementary school children… but I don’t think that’s solely it, given the straw hat’s legacy being passed from Roger to Shanks to Luffy.

[Greg]

Oars Jr. and Tama being linked to kasa isn't a coincidence, it was just the gateway to immediately giving Luffy an emotional anchor to Wano.

/￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣\

Luffy ---> Tama---->Ace---->Oars Jr.

As for the kasa, again, that's applying Western stereotypes as the way the kasa is presented is specifically as a shield during the various seasons. As such this calls to mind the ubiquitous children's story of the kasa-wearing ojizo-san rather than the image of a summer farmer shielded from the sun.

I'm not suggesting your line of thought can be proven wrong, but if Oda is looking to employ that nuance, it doesn't seem like those are the ways he would have gone about it since they call distinctly different themes to mind.

[Shiebs]

Am I the only one who has felt underwhelmed by Sentomaru’s role this arc?

I was really hoping to see him kick ass and maybe use that axe, instead he got one shotted immediately and hasn’t appeared since

Really hope that’s not the end of him

Never got to see that ultimate defense

[Seafarer33]

@Shiebs Agreed. Unfortunately it's not even all that ultimate, since any old awakened Zoan can go through it. Big words, but they must have been the rumor in the Marine's cantina and not an absolute truth.
I shall call it the "mild defense" from now on.

[Razh]

Lucci is kinda talented, though.

[crlsdc]

Greg, do you think there is a possibility in the future to see some past shichibukai?

[Greg]

@crlsdc
You mean in a few weeks or a few years?

A few weeks, depends on what you mean by former. Does post abolishment count as former or do you mean from bf skip? Given Buckin's importance, post-skip formers are pretty much a go for launch.

[crlsdc]

I mean all the ones who have been substituted by the ones shown in the story. Jinbe only joined 11 years before Rufy’s departure from Foosha, if I recall correctly, so someone must have left that place 11 years ago. Same goes for the warlord who left the place that Ace refused.
There should be around 5-6 ex warlords we have never seen

[Greg]

Okay, so previous unnamed warlords, in that case....hmmmm....

I think so, if they're appropriate to a flashback. iirc (I had to research this about a year ago) we don't have an exact pinpoint on how long the warlord system has been in place, only that it started post-Roger. Therefore, if there's an event post-Roger that's seminal to the story and:

1. Requires a flashback.
2. Requires powerful characters to make the scenario believable.

Then I think Oda wouldn't have a problem drawing them, similar to how he depicted CP-9 in the Ohara FB.

Potential events would be:

1. Something involving revolutionaries, specifically Dragon.
2. The obtaining and/or transport of the Nika fruit.

Since their entire narrative purpose would be to showcase the strength of an opposing force (they're destined to lose since our futuresight tells us they're no longer involved) I don't think things would bode well for them.

Of course Oda could make one that wanted to retire, had to go under WG protection, etc. etc. but their most logical purpose would be to display that the WG wanted to accomplish something via strength, but an opposing force was able to take it down.

In that sense, and with the story ripe for flashbacks, yes, I think it's entirely possible and perhaps even 'likely'.

[Scabbard Avenger]

Alongisde the good old Unification of the Seas post I think I have now read one of the best fanfic predictions about the One Piece ending. The person really did some effort didn't s/he.

The energy source being the treasure of Mary Joa (under the Straw Hat), Joyboy being the brother of Imu, the Space Pirates being related to the Minks, Roger and fellows laughing at an Ancient Den Den Mushi audio tape, the 4 main "gods", Figarlands' role in the story. Akainu's backstory, Fujitora defending Pluto...

Many things I can imagine ending up similar in the Manga while other things I wouldn't like at all (Tashigi a being a clone, good Lord...). But I respect the persons effort, I enjoyed it. Hillarious s/he was banned from reddit.

[Ivotas]

Wait, has it now been confirmed that there were Warlords before Jinbe etc.? Didn't Doflamingo say back at Marineford that when Luffy appeared with Crocodile and Jinbei all Warlords past and present are now there? I know that Crocodile became a Warlord earlier than everyone else but going by Doflamingo's statement I figured that it wasn't seven of them and the number just grew with each new member. Has that statement been retconned now?

[Greg]

iirc it's not known exaltly when the system was started, only that it was after Roger.

I also get the feeling that 'past and present warlords' meant the recent group and not literally every one ever.

Depending how soon after Roger's death, some of them woulda been crazy young.

But hey, who knows.

[King Cannon]

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Wait, has it now been confirmed that there were Warlords before Jinbe etc.? Didn't Doflamingo say back at Marineford that when Luffy appeared with Crocodile and Jinbei all Warlords past and present are now there? I know that Crocodile became a Warlord earlier than everyone else but going by Doflamingo's statement I figured that it wasn't seven of them and the number just grew with each new member. Has that statement been retconned now?

They were already know as the "Shichibukai" back in Jinbe's flashback, so the 7 number is consistent.

[crlsdc]

If Oda is ever gonna show us the ex-convicts escaped from level 6, that would be a chance to present some past warlord.
I wouldn’t mind Shanks being a past warlord, too

[King Cannon]

@crlsdc said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

If Oda is ever gonna show us the ex-convicts escaped from level 6, that would be a chance to present some past warlord.
I wouldn’t mind Shanks being a past warlord, too

He's not. He already had a billion bounty back during Luffy's past and became an Emperor 6 years later. Such a detail would've been mentioned in the 957 recap.

[Ivotas]

@King-Cannon said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

Wait, has it now been confirmed that there were Warlords before Jinbe etc.? Didn't Doflamingo say back at Marineford that when Luffy appeared with Crocodile and Jinbei all Warlords past and present are now there? I know that Crocodile became a Warlord earlier than everyone else but going by Doflamingo's statement I figured that it wasn't seven of them and the number just grew with each new member. Has that statement been retconned now?

They were already know as the "Shichibukai" back in Jinbe's flashback, so the 7 number is consistent.

I see. Thanks for clarifying that. So I guess Oda really managed to screw up Doflamingo's statement both ways then. God I hate Marineford.

[Johnny B. Decent]

Maybe it first started off as just like 3 guys and kept growing. Maybe if Ace joined, they would become the Hachibukai!

[andre]

I don't think I buy it being more than 7. In the manga, when one goes down, they replace him, which implies that 7 is the minimum for the sake of balance.

There's no text to back it, but 7 would make sense as a maximum too, since they're giving pirate crews immunity. Do that for too many powerful pirates and they may end up with even more issues then they already have.

[Shiebs]

Maybe we’ll get a movie with former warlords teaming up to face the Straw Hats just like we got a former admiral in One Piece Film Z

[black-leg jex]

Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't it said that Zed got his arm cut off by a former Warlord? I think I remember that being a thing and a lot of people speculating it would've been the new warlord at the time, until that turned out to be Weevil. I don't think we have a clear indicator on who that Warlord was.

[Cockycent]

I always thought that would pop up in the story in the same manner as Shiki with Impel Down. Doesn't even have to be Z by name. Just that the Warlord has done horrific things to former Marines or something.

[Greg]

@Ivotas
I don't think that's the case? Do you have the Chap? I can already see a few ways a fairly innocent line can be misconstrued.

I mean, it's not exactly natural to say, "Well, all Warlords that ever have existed and currently exist are all at this one place with no exceptions."

[zeltrax225]

I always thought it has to be 7 because of the 7 seas thing. Granted the seas in one piece world aren't exactly 7 but shichibukai was way early in oda's career so he might have stuck to 7 by drawing inspiration from, well, reality. It's also a common phrase used during the age of exploration and piracy and the whole sail the seven seas thing.

[All Fiction]

@zeltrax225 I was under the impression that it’s because he likes Seven Samurai.

[Greg]

@All-Fiction seven samurai is basically why OP exists (^○^)

[Ivotas]

@Greg said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas
I don't think that's the case? Do you have the Chap? I can already see a few ways a fairly innocent line can be misconstrued.

I mean, it's not exactly natural to say, "Well, all Warlords that ever have existed and currently exist are all at this one place with no exceptions."

Sure mate. It's in chapter 557 when Doflamingo says 「"七武海"も新旧お揃いで…!!フッフッフ　そしてアレが噂の大問題ルーキー麦わらか…!!」when Luffy's group arrived at the scene. While it does not say 全員 the high context nature of the Japanese language would indicate that he means "all past and present" as the translations went with. Otherwise the statement itself loses a bit of it's luster if it's meant to indicate it's just a selection of past and present members we have gathered here.

@All-Fiction said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@zeltrax225 I was under the impression that it’s because he likes Seven Samurai.

I haven't read the original data books but I'm quite sure that in the German version of either Red or Blue it is said that the Seven Warlords are a reference to the Seven Samurai.

[Captain M]

@Ivotas I mean, it really does just seem to be about the arrival of Jinbe and Crocodile restoring the lineup to what it had been before Luffy started messing things up, which is the way it had presumably stood for a while. All of Doflamingo's generation of Warlords in one place again. Yeah, it's definitely a line that's in part for the reader, who was introduced to the Warlords as that particular group of seven and hadn't previously seen them all together, but you don't even have to be particularly charitable to interpret it as something that works from Doffy's perspective too.

I'm no stranger to getting caught up on nitpick inconsistencies myself, but this doesn't look like anything to me.

[Ivotas]

@Captain-M said in Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !:

@Ivotas I mean, it really does just seem to be about the arrival of Jinbe and Crocodile restoring the lineup to what it had been before Luffy started messing things up, which is the way it had presumably stood for a while. All of Doflamingo's generation of Warlords in one place again. Yeah, it's definitely a line that's in part for the reader, who was introduced to the Warlords as that particular group of seven and hadn't previously seen them all together, but you don't even have to be particularly charitable to interpret it as something that works from Doffy's perspective too.

I'm no stranger to getting caught up on nitpick inconsistencies myself, but this doesn't look like anything to me.

That's the thing though, they are not. Teach is not there yet. That's why I said in my original post that Oda screwed it up both ways. Neither the past nor the present is accurate. Even if we go with what you suggest that it's about Doflamingo's peers, then it's inaccurate because of Teach.

That aside the point I mentioned previously does count. That being that the high context frame of the Japanese language is very indicative of how it is to be understood. It didn't have to be formulated this way if Doffy just wanted to refer to his peers exclusively, especially with Teach not being there yet. Something along the lines of "now all my original "partners" have joined" doesn't sound that lame IMO, whereas I agree that "Well, all Warlords that ever have existed and currently exist are all at this one place with no exceptions." does.

But then again, Marineford is retcon central anyways, so why should Oda have put in any further thought into a throwaway line like this when he messed up far bigger things back then?

[Captain M]

@Ivotas But that's the thing, we can probably assume that the previous order of Warlords had stood for a while before Luffy got Croc kicked and Jinbe took his moral stand. I don't really have anything from the text to base that on, but it would fit with Luffy's portrayal as a disruptor and agent of change. I would guess the old lineup goes at least back to whatever number of years previously Ace turned down an offer. Comparatively, Teach would have been Doflamingo's peer for anywhere from a few months down to a few weeks, depending on your interpretation of the timeline. The pre-war dinner in chapter 524 is likely the only time they even met.

I'm not going to give commentary on the Japanese language, but the context I'm seeing in the actual chapter doesn't really show me a need for that line to be as grandiose as you seem to be implying it should be. It's not being treated as a big moment with a don in the background, it's just one panel of many in the montage of reactions to Luffy and the Impel Down crew's big entrance. It's a sequence of like 20 frames across two pages and change of everyone from fodder Marines to Admirals putting their two cents in with no one bit particularly emphasised. Doflamingo's recognising that his old coworkers have shown up, not dropping a big Warlord lore bomb.