Still maintain my position that the best thing that could happen is Star dies and takes this ability with her, giving Shigi some form of permanent damage at the same time.
My Hero Academia II - A true Hero
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I still don't see the need for another overpowered ability from an already overpowered villain, unless the mangaka is planning for the final show down to be a team battle, otherwise I can't see the sense.
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Shiggy was already outclassed Deku before the prison break. Piling on more powers is completely overkill. If Horikoshi hadn't shortened the time frame of Shiggy becoming perfect cell or whatever this might have been a tad easier to take in.
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what I’ve taken away from MHA post-Lady Nagant is that it’s really hard to nail the ending of these stories. it’s unfortunate.
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Right???
I've always felt like the story was doing a great job of building me up as we went along,
on both the hero and villain sides. Especially with the focus that the league got for their own stories.
Toga being with Twice's last copy when he died, and her resulting rampage that showed she cared about him… that's one of my favourite parts of the series.But my overall interest started dying off when Shiggy woke up and the all-out battle against him started.
That's when I could feel the current direction coming.Some moments perked me up, like Uraraka VS Toga, which was a really neat character interaction that sowed seeds for later.
But on the whole the series started losing me.I'm pretty much only reading these days to see whatever small moments Hori can still give the kids
(like Uraraka speaking to the crowd, which worked for me), and to root for Toga to get a decent ending.
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the student moments are really good which is especially why this is so sad
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Yes, more Ass Class and Less HxH endgame (well midgame, I guess) would be nice.
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None of this is surprising to me. I always thought Hori was a weak writer that is easily swayed by pressure and bad at planning and prioritizing (which isn't the worst thing in the world, some mangaka like Araki can pull off making things up as they go along). Like how long did it take us for Ururaka to get one moment, any moment to shine? Hundreds of chapters and what we got was a heartfelt speech to give Deku a bath (I am counting her last good moment in the tournament not her stupid love fight with Toga). Pretty weak. Hori just throws in a bunch of cool designs and is too easily distracted with playing with his new toys instead of taking care of the ones he already made. Characters don't have satisfying arcs with payoffs, they just get random disjointed moments that don't really connect to anything in the overarching plot. The story doesn't really follow an organic development or with any sort of structure, things just happen randomly at the whims of whatever Hori feels like doing. Even at the endgame, you'd think things would start coming together in a way that makes sense. Instead we went from the timeskip to a Edgelord Deku arc that went nowhere to a random fight against the number one American Hero with Shiggy to make an overpowered Shiggy even more overpowered. It's just nonsense. Also the really bad at choreography and walls of text which doesn't help at all.
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I really miss that Zoo manga of his from 8 years ago or so, he is imho more suited for SoL
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I wonder what Hori will do after MHA. A fantasy manga would be cool, or maybe steampunk. The guy seems to love designing characters so some kind of setting where you can introduce multiple one-time characters would be great. Like a detective story or a monster-of-the-week deal. Alternatively a story where he can switch between different character casts, kinda like he's doing with the heroes and villains.
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he is imho more suited for SoL
Shown quite well in many of the subdued sections of the story,
especially in the downtime moments of the sports festival and the forest training camp.I also think of the parental visits to get permission for the students moving into dorms,
the "best dorm" contest held between the students (and Tsuyu's emotional apology),
the christmas celebrations, etcI also really love the Jiro mini arc that played out alongside the Gentle Criminal stuff,
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Shown quite well in many of the subdued sections of the story,
especially in the downtime moments of the sports festival and the forest training camp.I also think of the parental visits to get permission for the students moving into dorms,
the "best dorm" contest held between the students (and Tsuyu's emotional apology),
the christmas celebrations, etcI also really love the Jiro mini arc that played out alongside the Gentle Criminal stuff,
with everyone coming together as a performance group for the culture festival. That was done really well IMOGentle Criminal was a really good arc all around. The stake of "I have to stop this villain or he'll ruin the festival that's gonna cheer up this traumatized kid" is still the most emotional one in the series. Especially since I could understand the villain's point of view too, and he wasn't really evil, he just didn't understand - nor COULD he understand because how in the world would this guy know how much the event would mean for one person? It really hammered home the theme of heroes as well, that sometimes you're the hero for just one little kid and it can mean the world to them.
I just loved how that arc took a break from all the big stuff, from the league and pro heroes and focused on the little people.
Once this manga is over, my second pick for most memorable page is probably gonna be Eri smiling at the music festival with Mirio (first place is Stain's introduction shot).
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Disliked that Deku was the only one that engaged Gentle. It was like it all came down to him and whether he succeeds in saving the day, while the others were blissfully unaware while preparing for the party. A foreshadowing of what's to come maybe? Liked the arc all in all, just saying.
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The Cultural Festival arc is very easily in the top 5 best arcs of the series. It's basically a Spider-Man plot: a goofy but driven villain attempting to derail a nice school event and Deku's got to stop him without anyone knowing. The low stakes of the arc meant it's really the only time Deku might've actually lost outside of sparring matches, since it's not like anyone was going to die if Gentle succeeded. Absolutely charming villains, topnotch choreography for Horikoshi, and warm emotional fuzzies with Eric, Hiro, and the rest.It's like the platonic ideal of a breather arc.
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We just came from a big breakthrough moment about Deku allowing other people to help him.
Deku was always trying to save everyone alone through out the series until now, to the point he went Dark Deku, and now he starts to heal so that by the end of the series everyone is helping him, as oposed to Shigaraki who will be fighting alone. All for One vs One for All, that's the entire point of the series and why I'm not vibing with the general population on these current chapters, because I'm loving them.Yes, we already know Shigy is going to be the ultimate bad guy and he was strong enough already but this is world building and scene setting.
He's supposed to be the biggest and most dangerous villain of the world but so far we've only seem be a problem to Japan, only now the call was made world wide, and so we get to see other heroes and how much All Might really was the biggest hero in the world and the influence he left, and how even Star and Stripe, a super duper powerfull heroine, and her specialized crew can't beat Shigi. He's now going to become a world problem not just Japan, so that when Deku defeats him he becomes the world's greatest hero.And how is he gonna do it even when Star and Stripe couldn't? Through his just discovered power of Let Your Friends Help, You Dickwad.
S&S's most powerfull attack was made with her crew, not alone, and we saw Shigaraki crack, so this is the right track but it needs to be greater still. Deku's gonna do the same but with a bigger and randomer crew and save the day.Does this mean now Horikoshi is going to invest in devoloping the rest of the class now?… I don't thing so, I think we showed us plenty that his relation with the rest of the students is on-and-off. But they will be there at the end and some might even shine before that.
At first this series seemed like it would be like Harry Potter or Buffy but in super hero high school, and the final battle would be near graduation, but that's not always the case with mangas set in high school. Slam Dunk was only a year of high school, Hinomaru Zumo time skipped after the first year. I really wouldn't have minded the whole high school experience, but let's be honest the first version of the series wasn't even set in high school with a teenager, Horikoshi has a cool super heroes story he wants to write, not exactly a well though out high school setting story.
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Yo some of us lived through these times already series has been on the same quality trajectory as Naruto for a while now and it looks like it's going to share a lot of very similar pitfalls when it's all said and done.
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I can see thr resemblance on some stuff Naruto did, and despite all the flack Naruto had good moments, but I see this as being built much better than Naruto.
And quality issues? The gentle arc was panned here when it was coming out, now people are remembering it fondly and saying its underrated.
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And quality issues? The gentle arc was panned here when it was coming out, now people are remembering it fondly and saying its underrated.
Because it was a weird no-stakes filler arc at the time with a stupid villain.
We didn't know the series would be nothing but tournament arcs and plot after. Or that we'd miss the stupid villain with some heart compared to the unstoppable boring god monster we have to deal with now.
In context of when that arc happens its still a meh arc. But it also happens to be the last time anyone in the series had fun and it wasn't all drama. Three years of downward spiral elevates the earlier stuff. The best arc since then was the villain arc!
Same thing happened in Naruto where the Rescue Sasuke arc at the end of part one is now considered the last good arc of the series… even though it was a dragged out step down from what had come before it at the time. It's still not actually great, but its better than what came after.
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And now people are saying the current arc/fight is boring because yada yada.
My point was that in the future samething will happen to the current chapters. Im enjoying them, because I feel like Im looking at the series from a certain angle, but the rest of folk seem to be looking at the series from a different angle and so the chapters are not enjoyable.
But this really is a question that we ll only know in the future, if reading the arc in one go works better or not etc.I havent posted much in this thread because in general it feels like people are not enjoying the series as much as me right now, and I'm afraid coming here and just saying good stuff could lead to boring or unnecessary arguments, but I felt like it was time to come out and say some people are still enjoying the current ride.
To anyone alive out there, if you re still enjoying the series know one thing: you are not alone! :pBtw, I saw the first part of Naruto after the show was already on Shippuden, so I could binge watch it at my pace and the Sasuke rescue arc was good all around to me.
I didnt feel like it was weaker and then compared it to more recent stuff, it was very enjoyable right away.
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I liked the arc. I don't remember not liking it, but maybe I did. I definitely know that I enjoyed watching it in the anime at least. The slice of life stuff has always worked for me in this series, though. Like, the two chapters where they move into their new dorm and show off their rooms I thought were great.
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I liked the Gentle arc out of the gate.
The band stuff was a neat concept and an excuse to briefly highlight Jiro,
and the villains were charming. A rookie "Joker and Harley" duo was a cute addition IMO.
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! of course discount All Might would be a trouble for AFO even in defeat.
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so I could binge watch it at my pace and the Sasuke rescue arc was good all around to me.
Sure if you see it animated and over the course of couple days, that props it up. They had almost no filler during that arc and adapted two or three chapters per episode, and threw some real money at those fights, especially Lee's. (Which is also what led to them being literally only weeks behind the manga necessitating a two year filler afterwards…) That was the anime at its peak.
But taking place over a year and a half? ANd having these amazing epic character defining death scenes that brought both Choji and Neji full circle... only to undo them a year later? Death cop outs in One Piece are one thing but Naruto wasn't in that trap yet at that time. To have Lee's triumphant return with a hilarious drunk-fu fight and then... never do anything with Lee again after that?
If the series hadn't gone onto pause and done a timeskip then, if it had just kept the momentum going, rescued Sasuke, then gone and fought Orochimaru and ended a year or two later, it would hold up and maybe be great.
But... that's not what happened. Everything interesting and meaningful in that arc was undone and didn't lead to any actual development or payoffs. So instead its just a long drawn out fight arc with secondary characters that never do anything of note again that peaked then and there. And undoing their deaths robbed the story of its stakes and consequences from then on. And then Neji, completely randomly, died at the end of the series anyway!
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Vigilantes talk
! Damn Koichi was the villain all along.
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I think MHA had the opportunity to really be one of the all time greats but I basically disagree with the direction of almost everything after the Yakuza arc. Series been rushing and as a result we got the same issues on a ton of side characters being flat as paper and oh boy Horikoshi must have really went to the same female character writing school as Kishimoto. We're probably going to head into a final war where token characters die and maybe some important teachers which when you think about it unless they're named all might they are all also flat as paper. I really don't know why Red Riot's story pattern wasn't just reused for the rest of class A. That one build up Red Riot, it build up the Fat power dude a bit and it built up insect power girl a bit. Imo we needed that for the entire class A.
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the todoroki family plot and all for one are the best part of the manga
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Loving the sky battle between 6 and Crawler. Interesting development with Number 6. Makes me wonder why AFO doesn't make Nomu out of bomber cells. I guess we'll find out. Looks like this is probably No. 6's final form. I don't see him getting more powerful than this. Especially if the cost is him burning himself out.
Glad we're getting more AFO. I'd like confirmation No. 6's last quirk (six in total) is All For One with the other 5 just pre-installed on it.
Vigilantes talk
! Damn Koichi was the villain all along.
♪It was Koichi all along♪
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its because Horikoshi actually enjoys writing slice of life, he enjoyed writing the class interactions, he love his wacky class members designs.
But that doesn't sell. A lot of people here are saying Gentle arc was good now but a lot of people were also whining about how it was pointless and said to let's get this over with. It was the same for the Class A vs Class B. Dude was trying to be in his element but reception didn't react the way he wanted to. He could have stuck to it but he is too sensitive to popularity and to be honest, it is not entirely on him because the pressure of being the next "big 3" or the new "one piece" always hovers around him.He has little to no idea of how to handle battle scenes except to constantly upscale them or to reference the formula of series like Naruto and DBZ because its the "shit that sells". Half of them stuff he has been doing in terms of worldbuilding and power ups weren't even original and saying half is me being generous. He is really good at capturing emotional moments and doing SoL, but because of the nature of the series combined with his need to pander and sell, the series is being bogged down.
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its because Horikoshi actually enjoys writing slice of life, he enjoyed writing the class interactions, he love his wacky class members designs.
But that doesn't sell. A lot of people here are saying Gentle arc was good now but a lot of people were also whining about how it was pointless and said to let's get this over with. It was the same for the Class A vs Class B. Dude was trying to be in his element but reception didn't react the way he wanted to. He could have stuck to it but he is too sensitive to popularity and to be honest, it is not entirely on him because the pressure of being the next "big 3" or the new "one piece" always hovers around him.He has little to no idea of how to handle battle scenes except to constantly upscale them or to reference the formula of series like Naruto and DBZ because its the "shit that sells". Half of them stuff he has been doing in terms of worldbuilding and power ups weren't even original and saying half is me being generous. He is really good at capturing emotional moments and doing SoL, but because of the nature of the series combined with his need to pander and sell, the series is being bogged down.
you made all this up lol
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I liked the latest chapter, but sadly it would have been a lot better if Stars had screentime before this fight and also if Hori didn´t have a tendency for wasting and sidelining female characters.
That aside, seeing AFO actually desesperate was nice to read, this makes me wonder if this is how Shiggy is gonna end free from AFO, although it could also end with him having a Stars ghost in his head instead.
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you made all this up lol
Yes, made up with works the echo the sentiment of fans that think that Hori's fault as a writer have far supressed his strong points.
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Yes, made up with works the echo the sentiment of fans that think that Hori's fault as a writer have far supressed his strong points.
i'm not talking about his opinions on the manga, but about speculating on what Hori enjoys or doesn't enjoy writing and ascribing random motivations to him without evidence
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the todoroki family plot and all for one are the best part of the manga
Hard disagree. The Todoroki family drama was always a portion of the story I hated. It especially took over too much and made Endeavor stick around in the story. Where this series should be more about the kids and school.
But I also think the SoL moments in the story are better than most of the fights outside of the school.
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i'm not talking about his opinions on the manga, but about speculating on what Hori enjoys or doesn't enjoy writing and ascribing random motivations to him without evidence
We don't need any "evidence" to have a discussion. This is not a court of law.
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I think this chapter would've landed better had we met Star before this but I at least think this fight had purpose now. My big fear coming into this fight was that it was going to make Shiggy even stronger and he'd eventually become a Madara-type character but actually the result seems to be a massive nerf instead. He'll obviously survive this but he should come out much weaker, hopefully at level where Midoriya eventually beating him would make more sense.
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…............Enjoy your imaginary rules then. People will still discuss things while following the actual rules of this forum.
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Okay, that chapter was pretty cool and definitely the best kind of outcome from this mini arc. Shigaraki got too greedy and was severely weakened instead, the opposite of the worst-case scenario painted here about him growing absurdly strong. I stand by that the arc is a bit soured by Star being another Nagant - a suddenly introduced character who's sacrificed moments after their debut - but otherwise I'm really happy with this. Wonderful art, action scenes that were powerful and I could follow (with the exception of the text wall last chapter) and characters that managed to be memorable despite their short visit.
I think what I like the most is the implications for how Shigaraki is gonna act in the future. Before he felt like a prideful giant who was getting stronger and running on pure adrenaline because everything was going his way, which was still an enjoyable final villain - but take that guy, hit him where it hurts and make him desperate? Now that's fantastic. This is also one point where I feel all those Naruto comparisons completely miss the mark. Say what you want about MHA, but the final villain(s) have been consistently built up throughout the entire manga. They got their backstories, their goals, they developed alongside the main characters and it makes sense how Shigaraki went from a second-rate villain to the international terror he is now. It's leagues ahead of the mess that was Madara and Moon Bunny Lady.
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Really like the idea of Star giving Facepalm a virus ravaging his quirks/body.
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Enjoy your imaginary rules then. People will still discuss things while following the actual rules of this forum.
hopefully these discussions will be grounded in reality
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So after an arc where Deku beat his useless and hyperventilating classmates to near death while hypocritically saying he wanted to protect them, we get Star dying like a chump accomplishing nothing but making the villain stronger, how pointless but expected.
In all seriousness, while I get a lot of the criticisms levied against this mini-arc - the lateness of Stars introduction relative to her death, increased text walls, could use more focus on the class instead etc - I also think, in isolation, this has been a failry enjoyable excursion. Cool looking action, nice back-and forth flow, good dramatic escalation. Comparisons have been made to HxH and Naruto, even Bleach, but in terms of art and composions they're miles apart - in this chapter alone, theres the transition from Shigaraki being all high and mighty to the confident "Cotcha" image of Star, theres the image of her quirk tearing at the other quirks, her disentigrating salute…its good stuff to look at, and theres been plenty of good stuff to look at. Hori has a knack for good, evocative expressions and character closeups too. Seriously, you have no idea how happy it makes me to see so much time dedicated to make the moments pack an artistic punch.
Also, even if she exits the manga as quickly as she came, I find it neat that the top-tier female fighter feels top tier and goes all out so brutally - both in terms of damage dealt and recieved.
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Did she make the villain stronger? Her quirk is destroying quirks he's already got inside of him.
Also would have much preferred Star sticking around. She looked like a fun character.
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I too wish Star had been introduced earlier in the manga, so we could have had more time to enjoy and appreciate her before this heroic sacrifice. That the end result of AFO's hubris though was that he absorbed a quirk that would severely weaken Shigaraki and even destroy some of the quirks he'd stored up in him, is a really satisfying moment–we see him in a kind of panic we've never seen him in. If Shigaraki has no choice but to pass New Order onto the Nomu, which lacks the intelligence to be able to use it, this will be a spectacular loss for All For One.
If all that was Star's doing, for as much as it's a shitty loss, it's also a huge success for the heroes.
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i wonder why AFO can't make a new rule to override star's rule
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Yeah, I think this was as good an outcome as we could have got under the circumstances. Of course, it remains to be seen how much this will really set AFO/Shigaraki back. New Order has destroyed at least one of his quirks already, but I doubt he'll lose AFO or Decay.
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AFO was already almost Deus ex Machina level overpowered, so this is a good drawback. If he had gotten New Order without losing anything, then he WOULD be a Deus ex Machina.