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Holy fuck, they fucked up Kaido. I read through the spoiler thread, but ignored the scans and wasn't read for that last page. They legit hit him as good as Oden did. I think the 4 of them equaling Oden is more than fair, but it was still surprising. Lots of people have debated the strength of that hit for months and months now and I think next week (hopefully) we may get our answer, unless all 9 of the scabbards are distracted just as Oden was.
Butters looked great in this chapter. Hope he doesn't go and die for the new generation or some bullshit like that. Solid chapter overall, liked the song playing over the rooftop battle. Black Maria is pretty sensual for a ten foot tall lady too. Wish Shinobou would just take Luffy at his word when he says this guy is alright, but oh well. Hopefully it'll resolve it self next chapter
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Holy fuck, they fucked up Kaido. I read through the spoiler thread, but ignored the scans and wasn't read for that last page. They legit hit him as good as Oden did. I think the 4 of them equaling Oden is more than fair, but it was still surprising. Lots of people have debated the strength of that hit for months and months now and I think next week (hopefully) we may get our answer, unless all 9 of the scabbards are distracted just as Oden was.
So if four scabbards is one Oden, how many Odens in a cavendish?
@Joy:
No I'm displeased because the events in the manga right reek of inconsistency.
Like what? A few examples would be nice.
BTW, would be nice to get an answer this time, not like last time when you didn't reply any more.
Butters looked great in this chapter. Hope he doesn't go and die for the new generation or some bullshit like that. Solid chapter overall, liked the song playing over the rooftop battle. Black Maria is pretty sensual for a ten foot tall lady too. Wish Shinobou would just take Luffy at his word when he says this guy is alright, but oh well. Hopefully it'll resolve it self next chapter
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So if four scabbards is one Oden, how many Odens in a cavendish?
Why would she when the first thing Yamato does is proclaim to be someone Shinobu watched die, straight faced? It's stupid and insensitive.
Yay! That was very satisfying seeing the Scabbards get to show off like that. If the get taken out of the picture from here on out I'd be content. Of course they should probably be there for the full fall of Orochi.
Kaido questioning how they can hurt him does raise interesting questions. Someone in the spoiler thread brought up the idea of some Alabasta style performance enhancers. We've already seen 2 cultures who protected Poneglyphs and were allied with the Ancient Kingdom who posses some form of strength boosting life sapping drugs. Alabasta and Fishman Island. Maybe there is something there? The counter argument is that the brute strength alone shouldn't be what it takes to hurt someone like Kaido. Maybe a combination of that plus the Ryuo.
I loved the little flashback of no one wanting to learn the 2 sword style of Oden and then 4 of them proceeding to use it. Beautifully done! Something about it actually made me get emotional. Reminds me of when I avenged my own teacher.
I had written a reply in the spoiler thread before it was closed, so I post it here because I don't want to throw away the time I spent.
I can still get behind the Strawhats defending the ship for a moment against a natural calamity really, but her [Big Mom's] disease? Nah, not credible with the background of being at the top of piracy for 4 decades or more. If the Strawhats can take advantage of something that frequently pops up (we saw 2 hunger episodes in the arc itself in a short amount of time), then all her rivals should have a field day with her.
I don't think it's that simple.
Yes, it's true two hunger episodes happened 3 days apart, but there's a reason for that. The second one happened because Big Mom was building up her desire for the wedding cake for days, so she went crazy when she couldn't eat it. It was contextualized, justified, not random, and it was obviously there as part of the drama and characterization. As for her first episode, it needed to happen in order to set up the concept, as it would be really weird if Big Mom went on a crazy rampage at the end of the arc if that had not been established before.
We can't take these two occasions and extrapolate them to the rest of her life. Usually, it may even take months or maybe years between these episode. It's not like Totland is destroyed or half her kids dead, lol. And even when the hunger pangs happen, they might be quickly resolved with regular sweets. The wedding cake was a bigger issue because they couldn't make another one in time.
It's also not clear-cut that Big Mom is weaker in that state… at least not until she gets really thin.
So Kaido has other elemental powers just like Pirate Warriors 4 huh? Guess he is gonna shoot ice next?
If Marco knows where the last Road Poneglyph is, he could be able to split Big Mom and Kaido by telling Big Mom it's location.
And the BMP could get their hands on Kaido's Poneglyph, that way they would be out of the picture for Wano and return in a following arc, maybe Elbaf.
Why was Marco in flame mode? Did he heal someone? Hope he didn’t heal BM.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
Holy shit, what a chapter to receive after a long break. The Scabbards are certainly going out with a bang, Raizo impressed me the most this chapter given that we've barely seen him fight beforehand.
Pleasantly surprisied by Kaido having more than fire breath (will he have other elements?), and glad the Carrot/Perospero confrontation is finally confirmed.
Scabbards are not going down, luffy can have the next arcs, this battle is all them.
@uniaka:
Scabbards are not going down, luffy can have the next arcs, this battle is all them.
If Oda does that, there will be a lot more Joy Boys around here. If he doesn't, then he did his job phenomenally if anyone ever even considered that to be the natural plot progression.
I had written a reply in the spoiler thread before it was closed, so I post it here because I don't want to throw away the time I spent.
I don't think it's that simple.
Yes, it's true two hunger episodes happened 3 days apart, but there's a reason for that. The second one happened because Big Mom was building up her desire for the wedding cake for days, so she went crazy when she couldn't eat it. It was contextualized, justified, not random, and it was obviously there as part of the drama and characterization. As for her first episode, it needed to happen in order to set up the concept, as it would be really weird if Big Mom went on a crazy rampage at the end of the arc if that had not been established before.
We can't take these two occasions and extrapolate them to the rest of her life. Usually, it may even take months or maybe years between these episode. It's not like Totland is destroyed or half her kids dead, lol. And even when the hunger pangs happen, they might be quickly resolved with regular sweets. The wedding cake was a bigger issue because they couldn't make another one in time.
It's also not clear-cut that Big Mom is weaker in that state… at least not until she gets really thin.
Also i don't think people that on BM level meet so often to even take advantage of something like that and she still a monster even that way .
Like it was decades before she saw Kaido again after they were on same crew 38 years ago .
On to the chapter the art was so great this chapter .
Nice to see them get in some hits .
This was a pretty great chapter!
There wasn’t a lot in the way of story developments because it was mostly action oriented but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing to talk about. Quite the opposite in fact.
VIDEO REVIEW:
I really liked the short scene with Big Mom, Perospero and Marco outside Onigashima. Big Mom assuages Perospero’s concerns about allying with Kaido when she subtly hints at her intent to betray Kaido. Which really shouldn’t come as a surprise. Big Mom and Kaido’s motivating desires for finding One Piece are completely different. Kaido wants to start a global war and Big Mom dreams of an idyllic utopian state where all races of the world live in harmony…. Under her tyrannical thumb.
Those ambitions were never compatible, so it has always seemed like a matter of when not if this alliance falls apart. Peropspero presses the issue by saying he and the rest of her children want to make her Pirate King, which, she acknowledges and tells him to trust her, implying Big Mom is fully aware of the incompatibility of her and Kaido’s ideals.
Marco’s alliance with Perospero ends when he realizes their interests aren’t mutual.
Big Mom questions Marco’s decision to aid the Straw Hats and implies he represents the remnants of Whitebeard’s crew in their entirety, but Marco counters by stating the former Whitebeard Pirates freedom to act individually. They aren’t bound by ‘the word of pops’ – the word of Whitebeard.
I think what Oda was really shining a light on here was the difference in ‘parenting’ style between Whitebeard and Big Mom, which reflects their respective moral character. Whitebeard’s crew weren’t his biological children. Most of them were orphaned, or lost, and thus constituted a found family. Ace, the son Whitebeard gave his life to rescue, was in fact biologically the son of his greatest rival, Roger.
Whitebeard regarded his crew like children, raised and guided them, but didn’t force them to abide by his wishes. We know Ace went rogue in pursuit of Blackbeard, a sin for which Whitebeard ultimately paid the price. When Oden chose to join Roger, Whitebeard, despite his anger, didn’t stand in Oden’s way.
This contrasts pretty strongly with Big Mom, whose crew consists almost entirely of her true biological children, forced to live and act as she desires. So Big Mom’s assumption that Marco’s actions are somehow representative of Whitebeard’s wishes is a reflection of her values.
Perospero and her other children want to see her become Pirate King – but they didn’t really have much choice in that matter. Where Whitebeard’s crew chose to call themselves ‘sons’ of Whitebeard when they joined his crew, Big Mom’s children are forced into servitude from birth.
I think what this potentially sets up is the continuation of Big Mom’s story arc beyond Wano. When Ace went off on his own, Whitebeard was willing to go to the ends of the Earth to shield him from the consequences of his errant actions. Conversely, Big Mom disowned Lola when the breakdown of her betrothment to Loki ruined Linlin’s chances of securing an alliance with the Giants of Elbaf.
Yet we saw on Whole Cake Island that some of her other children, Chiffon, Pudding, Katakuri, even Brulee, have to a degree come to respect the Straw Hat Pirates and act independently of their mother’s wishes. Big Mom has a tragic backstory / childhood and it would certainly be in keeping with Oda’s style to write her some sort of redemptive arc.
At this point, I’m not sure how it’ll play out, but I think it’s likely connected to a future Elbaf story arc. This could also be where the current cover story arc which has reunited Chiffon and Lola is headed.
Moving on from there, we see Carrot racing off to ‘avenge Pedro’s death’, which we can assume to mean, face Perospero. Wanda pops up out of nowhere after disappearing for the past 15 chapters.
Personally, I’m hoping she doesn’t play a major part in the battle against Perospero. Wanda is really a peripheral character at this point, and avenging Pedro could be a significant character moment for Carrot.
I believe Carrot is likely to join the Straw Hat Pirates, so I think it’s significant Oda is setting her up for a prominent moment of her own during the story arc. Carrot didn’t use her Sulong transformation yet, which could potentially put her on a level playing field with Perospero. The fact that Oda has singled her out seems significant, but Wanda’s presence does put that into question.
I believe the narrative role of the tragic flashback to instill a motivating desire in members of the crew was filled for Carrot by Pedro’s death on Whole Cake Island. His dying words stressed the important role Luffy and the Straw Hats are meant to fill by bringing the light of the New Dawn.
Pedro passed on to Carrot the message that every person has their time to shine, words spoken to him directly by the Pirate King. Roger’s message was passed on to Carrot and now, she may take center stage in a fight against Perospero, the one ultimately responsible for Pedro’s death.
I also think the panel progression at the bottom of page 2 is interesting. We see in two vertically aligned panels, Carrot and Luffy rushing off from the performance area where the Straw Hats were assembled, which could be a simple visual cue she is meant to join.
On that topic, we have Yamato at the top of the following page still chasing after Momo.
At this point, I’m still of the opinion Yamato is not intended to join the Straw Hats, though there is still time for that to change.
The cover of WSJ this week does feature Yamato and Luffy standing back to back, but it’s worth noting Oda has never before previewed or featured a future Straw Hat on the cover of Jump Magazine before. The one exception here being Nami on the first issue in which One Piece appeared, but those were very different circumstances.
I briefly want to mention the song Black Maria sings which serves as transition from the opening scene.It seems to describe two lovers separated on a snowy night reunited under the moonlight. I’m planning to release a video exploring this topic in greater depth soon, but it’s important to pay attention whenever the moon is mentioned in One Piece as I believe it is one of the most important and recurrent symbols throughout the series with relation to the deepest mysteries in the series.
Like Binks’ Sake, it’s possible this song may in some way relate to the central narrative arc of the series.
The majority of this week’s chapter is focused on the battle between Oden’s retainers and Kaido on the roof of Onigashima and it was really well done.
Post-TS, Oda has largely skipped over fight scenes which don’t involve Luffy, but I think what he did here was excellent.He managed to propel the action along at a fast pace in a short number of pages while spotlighting all nine members of the scabbards. I really don’t think long battles drawn out across multiple chapters are needed. I think Oda here realizes a healthy middle ground between that and the alternative of completely skipping fights.
I really love the double page spread where Kaido and the Scabbards first face off. Raizo had a really standout moment where he demonstrated his ninjutsu’s ability to turn Kaido’s own attack back on him. His ninjustsu have been mostly used for gags, so it was really surprising for him to use them so effectively her against Kaido. I wonder how ninjutsu works in One Piece. Is it Haki related?
Inuarushi joins Zoro as a practitioner of the Santoryu style. The bullets Izo fires alongside Kiku’s attack seem to have a sort of gravitational effect, drawing in Kiku’s attack into a sort of orbit.
Everything looks like it’s going great for the alliance at the moment, but I suspect we’ll soon learn what makes Kaido so unkillable.This scene is playing out eerily similar to the battle between Oden and Kaido in chapter 970. Oden delivered a serious blow, but before he could finish off Kaido, Higarushi interfered and diverted his attention.
I have a theory video about Kaido and the Secret of the Dragon Devil Fruit where I elaborate further on this idea, but I believe, as an eastern style dragon, Kaido’s inability to be killed is in part derived from good fortune.
Full Theory Here:
Kaido here remarks that the retainers are not as powerful as Oden, yet are managing to inflict serious wounds, much to his surprise.
It’s important to note that Momonosuke’s artificial Dragon Devil Fruit may also possess this passive ability or trait of imparting good fortune, so his presence on Onigashima may be responsible for the Scabbards current stroke of luck. But what happens if Shinobu and Yamato remove Momo from Onigashima? Could the odds once again turn in Kaido’s favor? As the text box which accompanies his introduction reads, ‘in a one on one fight, always ‘bet’ on Kaido’.
We’re 8 chapters away from 1,000 and I believe we’re likely closing in on the end of Act 3. In Kabuki plays the third act ends in tragedy. The battle went really well for the Scabbards this chapter, which ended with them dealing a serious blow to Kaido.
Whether or not I’m right about the role good fortune plays in Kaido’s winning streak, I think we’ll soon realize what makes Kaido so unkillable, when the tables turn and Kaido emerges victorious.
This chapter is so delicious to read. Pure visual bliss!
Also, I always like when Oda writes Big Mom's dialogues. There's always a conflict, a verbal arm wrestling game and a lie.
993: things get worse
next chapter the scabbards are totally going to get wrecked you guys
believe it
you heard it here first folks
I had written a reply in the spoiler thread before it was closed, so I post it here because I don't want to throw away the time I spent.
I don't think it's that simple.
Yes, it's true two hunger episodes happened 3 days apart, but there's a reason for that. The second one happened because Big Mom was building up her desire for the wedding cake for days, so she went crazy when she couldn't eat it. It was contextualized, justified, not random, and it was obviously there as part of the drama and characterization. As for her first episode, it needed to happen in order to set up the concept, as it would be really weird if Big Mom went on a crazy rampage at the end of the arc if that had not been established before.
We can't take these two occasions and extrapolate them to the rest of her life. Usually, it may even take months or maybe years between these episode. It's not like Totland is destroyed or half her kids dead, lol. And even when the hunger pangs happen, they might be quickly resolved with regular sweets. The wedding cake was a bigger issue because they couldn't make another one in time.
It's also not clear-cut that Big Mom is weaker in that state… at least not until she gets really thin.
This is wrong. The moment the eating disorder was introduced, it is pretty much implied it is a regular occurrence and everyone knows about it, it´s not something that was triggered by the Strawhats but regularly by something she craves in that moment.
See above, it´s not something that is far in-between, this was never implied, but everyone immediately knows how to act and gather what she needs immediately exactly because it happens so often.
Top tier fights can be days long, Akainu vs Aokiji was 10 days, a little skirmish between Roger and Whitebeard was 3 days, while every time Big Mom is relevant on-screen she is throwing a fit.
Put that together with the supposed Great Pirate era and the chaos that came with it, yep it lacks credibility.
She is the same natural monster, she does not have intelligence and the instincts though, Haki usage is irregular and so forth.
Like what? A few examples would be nice.
BTW, would be nice to get an answer this time, not like last time when you didn't reply any more.
I think Joy Boy actually made two appearances in this issue… at the bottom of pages 9 and 13 :getlost:
Like what? A few examples would be nice.
BTW, would be nice to get an answer this time, not like last time when you didn't reply any more.
It's not like he gave them hundred times already… It's just you disagree with hil on this point.
But then people shall stop complaining the discussion is looping if both sides are playing ping pong
The chapter was really nice both in storrytelling structure panelong and in visual.
I wonder if Oda gave us this flashback because he realised a lot of his readers misjudge the scabbards strength. It's a pity he couldn't show us before so that it was a bit more natural
Also I wonder where Wanda comes from. Wasn't she with the other minks on the roof ?
This is wrong. The moment the eating disorder was introduced, it is pretty much implied it is a regular occurrence and everyone knows about it, it´s not something that was triggered by the Strawhats but regularly by something she craves in that moment.
See above, it´s not something that is far in-between, this was never implied, but everyone immediately knows how to act and gather what she needs immediately exactly because it happens so often.
Top tier fights can be days long, Akainu vs Aokiji was 10 days, a little skirmish between Roger and Whitebeard was 3 days, while every time Big Mom is relevant on-screen she is throwing a fit.
Put that together with the supposed Great Pirate era and the chaos that came with it, yep it lacks credibility.She is the same natural monster, she does not have intelligence and the instincts though, Haki usage is irregular and so forth.
How often you think she or these people was getting in top tier fight ?
Even then it don't look like most of them end with the top tiers dying .
Chaos don't mean she would lose even with her hunger episodes or people have a way to take advantage of it .
Like what effect does her hunger episodes have when she pregnant ( does she even have them then ) there to much unknown with what happen to her after she leave the rocks pirates 38 years ago.
Like how many years have she just been on Totto Land and use political marriage to increase her power etc etc .
Saying they was chaos on the seas don't tell you much for eg it been decades since she and Kaido meet and Kaido has been on wano for over 20 years .
Did the former rock pirates leave each other alone mostly after they split up etc etc
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"it is pretty much implied it is a regular occurance and everyone knows about it" - of course everyone knows about it since it's something that happens and they should act accordingly. However, being regular doesn't make it daily or weekly. Being regular can be monthly, semiannual or yearly. That's my point.
"See above, it's not something that is far in-between, this was never implied" - the contrary was not implied either. There is just not enough information and context to make a definitive assessment. One could even make it an argument that her children were not ready enough when the first episode happened in WCI, since Moscato basically suicided himself while the other brothers were surprised that she was killing her own son… which could mean that it doesn't happen so often.
"every time Big Mom is relevant on-screen she is throwing a fit" - she didn't yet in Wano, unless you're counting the memory stuff, which is completely unrelated. Did Big Mom even have a hunger pang since the wedding cake? She's in Onigashima for at least a week now and we haven't heard of her destroying Kaido's house. And, honestly, I don't think it'll happen again at all.
"She is the same natural monster, she does not have intelligence and the instincts though, haki usage is irregular and so forth" - Big Mom is not dumb. This is just a misconception based on her emotionally childish nature, but she knows her stuff, she knows how to play the big game, she's manipulative and even cunning. As a combatent, she's not just a natural freak. She has mastered attacks that need technique (Ikoku Sovereingty, for instance), she has mastered her devil fruit ability, and she knows how to use Haki (even if we don't know how much of it is relevant for her fighting style).
This chapter completely won me over with the art and Marineford-style back to back double spreads.
I've never felt a battle be this grandiose in One Piece, even against Oars.
Still would've preferred the Scabbards didn't get that final hit in, but it's: 1. just reopening an old wound, 2. Kaido isn't screaming in pain or anything.
smokes cig Now things get really interesting. Both for the manga itself and the forum.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
@uniaka:
Scabbards are not going down, luffy can have the next arcs, this battle is all them.
while i'm conscious that i'm at the will of a single man, the chances of this happening are zero
Whitebeard Commander = Izo = Oden Scabbard
So does Oden Scabbard = Whitebeard Commander ?
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
Whitebeard Commander = Izo = Oden Scabbard
So does Oden Scabbard = Whitebeard Commander ?
Probably. Ryuuou's the gamechanger now, and the Scabbards both have that, and are just naturally strong and have counters.
Unrelated but keep in mind the admirals have Ryuuou, everyone.
(Ryuuou meaning Projection Haki, or Super-Advanced Armament Haki)
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
How is nobody talking about the fact that the color spread confirms Jinbe's too big to fit through doors?
It's not like he gave them hundred times already… It's just you disagree with hil on this point.
Sorry, I can't read every single post, I really don't know what he means.
If he did, it shouldn't be a problem to give me link or something.
That was the second time I asked him to show me what he meant, and both times he ignored me.
And why exactly are you butting in?
That was an incredebly fun chapter. One that could make a very cool sequence animated.
It's still weird to see Kinemon be that strong considering how average he was until then but it is entertaining. Inu Sulong design look good. Neko's is pretty eh.
Really from the one where Big Maria start playing to Kawamatsu attack it's pure beauty. The Kappa look very good in that one panel with the moon behind them. And I like all the scabbards at each other side in running position. I know some want the fight to over already but I'm quite enjoying it and not in any hurry. This is the fight I want. A bigger badder foe slowy getting chipped away by the a group working in tandem. It's why the oars fight was fun to me. Of course I expect Luffy will come to ruin the party like back then but I'm enjoying it for now.
How is nobody talking about the fact that the color spread confirms Jinbe's too big to fit through doors?
That whale boi is THICC
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
if the Big Mom Pirates are a family and have lived together for years, it just makes sense that they know how to deal with Linlin's hunger pangs. It says nothing on the periodicity of it.
And while we don't get her to be inteligent, as in witty, we've seen that she has a domain, has a great stablished network to gather intel, is cunning and is one of the top 4 pirates of the world…it'd say that she isn't exactly dumb.
if the Big Mom Pirates are a family and have lived together for years, it just makes sense that they know how to deal with Linlin's hunger pangs. It says nothing on the periodicity of it.
And while we don't get her to be inteligent, as in witty, we've seen that she has a domain, has a great stablished network to gather intel, is cunning and is one of the top 4 pirates of the world…it'd say that she isn't exactly dumb.
I'd say she posses something more akin to an animalistic cunning.
Wow, the art in this chapter was phenomenal. While I think we're getting closer to Kaido turning the tides and messing up the Scabbards, it was so satisfying seeing each of them use their abilities against him back to back like that, especially with so many large-scale attacks. The scale of the battle has really been impressing me, and I wouldn't mind if it goes on just a bit longer if Oda can keep it up - though with them landing the same attack in the same place against Kaido as Oden did, I feel like it's only going downhill for the Scabbards now.
Stephen's translation of the penultimate doublepage reads awkwardly to me in that dialogue between Oden and Toki. Is it only me?
I'd say she posses something more akin to an animalistic cunning.
I would say it's more than that .
This is a woman who has been doing political marriages for years , had child to get close to getting the OP .
Looks to be doing blackmail , have her children in places of power ( smart or not depending on what you think about family )
There other aspect but when she not fighting like a boar lol it has been show she had a good idea of how to do things and play the long game.
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
Amazing chapter. I have not seen Big Mom speak to another person like she did to Marco now. May be to King when she wanted to recruit him. Now Marco's hype only increases !! Shanks tried to recruit him, Big Mom looks like respects him for his skills. Can't wait to see him in action.
Lol at Maria playing a song when a battle is going on the roof. That panel with all 9 scabbards side by side going against Kaido gave me chills. Amazing panel. They are throwing everything at him, even his own power but Kaido is shrugging everything off. So looks like they learned flowing haki from Oden, that flashback was hilarious. Final panel was amazing. Kaido's eyes going white like it did against Oden. This feels like the scabbard's best effort and Kaido will shrug it off and come back. May be by the time Luffy goes to the top, scabbards would have already fallen and he would fly to onigashima and that finishes this act?
If the strongest scabbards, who can toe to toe with YCs and according to Kaido don't compare to Oden and Oden was still inferior to Roger and WB, a long road is ahead of Luffy. WB and Roger are monster among monsters.
It's not like he gave them hundred times already… It's just you disagree with hil on this point.
But then people shall stop complaining the discussion is looping if both sides are playing ping pongThe chapter was really nice both in storrytelling structure panelong and in visual.
I wonder if Oda gave us this flashback because he realised a lot of his readers misjudge the scabbards strength. It's a pity he couldn't show us before so that it was a bit more naturalAlso I wonder where Wanda comes from. Wasn't she with the other minks on the roof ?
We haven't seen Wanda since the Strawhats hugged Jinbe.
Amazing chapter. I have not seen Big Mom speak to another person like she did to Marco now. May be to King when she wanted to recruit him. Now Marco's hype only increases !! Shanks tried to recruit him, Big Mom looks like respects him for his skills. Can't wait to see him in action.
Lol at Maria playing a song when a battle is going on the roof. That panel with all 9 scabbards side by side going against Kaido gave me chills. Amazing panel. They are throwing everything at him, even his own power but Kaido is shrugging everything off. So looks like they learned flowing haki from Oden, that flashback was hilarious. Final panel was amazing. Kaido's eyes going white like it did against Oden. This feels like the scabbard's best effort and Kaido will shrug it off and come back. May be by the time Luffy goes to the top, scabbards would have already fallen and he would fly to onigashima and that finishes this act?
If the strongest scabbards, who can toe to toe with YCs and according to Kaido don't compare to Oden and Oden was still inferior to Roger and WB, a long road is ahead of Luffy. WB and Roger are monster among monsters.
If anything it show what a monster luffy is remember he is only 20 and Roger and WB had 20 years on him at that point.
He in the learning stages still and already near the top .
I would say it's more than that .
This is a woman who has been doing political marriages for years , had child to get close to getting the OP .
Looks to be doing blackmail , have her children in places of power ( smart or not depending on what you think about family )
There other aspect but when she not fighting like a boar lol it has been show she had a good idea of how to do things and play the long game.
I'd argue that most of that still falls well within that sort of low cunning. She's a gifted predator who knows an easy mark, how to take advantage of weakness and how to best use her power to strike fear into people. She is cunning in the same way Tony Soprano is cunning, but she isn't neccesarily smart beyond those attributes.
If anything it show what a monster luffy is remember he is only 20 and Roger and WB had 20 years on him at that point.
He in the learning stages still and already near the top .
Yes of course he is going to surpass them soon. A shonen protagonist will always learn things at a faster rate than his predecessors. I am just talking about the road ahead.
I'd argue that most of that still falls well within that sort of low cunning. She's a gifted predator who knows an easy mark, how to take advantage of weakness and how to best use her power to strike fear into people. She is cunning in the same way Tony Soprano is cunning, but she isn't neccesarily smart beyond those attributes.
I could also see it that way ,yeah make sense from that point of view.
Hey woah we got Yamato in color on the Jump Cover, lookin very good!!
Maria's song is interesting. Could it be talking about Joyboy and Poesidon?
I'm really glad Oda is showing the scabbards vs Kaido, I really thought he was going to let that happen off panel. I know fights aren't terribly interesting to members of the forum but they add so much for me personally.
Oda's comment this week :
Maria's song is interesting. Could it be talking about Joyboy and Poesidon?
I'm really glad Oda is showing the scabbards vs Kaido, I really thought he was going to let that happen off panel. I know fights aren't terribly interesting to members of the forum but they add so much for me personally.
Don't include me in that, I find the fights just as important as the adventure, mystery, and story lol.
Not liking fights while reading this series is basically gutting the climax of most arcs, no reason to do that to yourself if the reason you pick up series is to enjoy them.
Croc or Enel would never.
Wanna see the "ancient civilization destroyed" thing done really well? FFXIV did a great take on it. The bar's high for One Piece to beat.
Like what? A few examples would be nice.
BTW, would be nice to get an answer this time, not like last time when you didn't reply any more.
Seriously dude ? Do I have to do it again ? Ok.
Kaido is the WSC, one v one champion, a Yonko the guy who obliterated Luffy in one shot, the guy who nobody can kill, the guy who Doflamingo trembles at the mere thought of him.
Kinemon is a guy who Law defeated easily, is a guy who nobody of worth ever hyped his strength as some strong samurai.
Raizo is a guy who was introduced as a joke. He is also Fukurokuju's rival. Fukurokuju is an ant for Kaido.
Kiku also hasn't been someone impressive strength wise. She was afraid of the sumo guy.
Izo was inferior to Ace. I don't have to say anything else.
Inu and Neko who are actually impressive aren't superior to Jack. Jack is simply nothing compared to Kaido.
Denjiro and Ashura are the same with the above.
So again the guy who supposedly can't get killed by the Yonko and Marines, the guy who one shot Luffy who's stronger than each scabbard, the guy who only got scarred once by a legendary samurai who was a peer to Roger and WB, this guy is getting wrecked by those weak guys because Oda finds it cool.
If that doesn't scream inconsistency I don't know what does.
Oda's comment in english, thanks to D_Kumii :
