Are we on break? I was hoping to get a sneak peek into spoilers for the next chapter.
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RE: Chapter 1079: The Emperor's Crew, the Red-Haired Pirates
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RE: Chapter 1,016: It's Me, Otama!!
I completely agree with Joyboy, Artemis and others who say that this arc lacks tension. We all know the Yonko are going down one way or another but now it does not feel like the victory is earned. Like Artemis posted before, I dont feel that the stakes are stacked against SHs so I dont feel them to be underdogs here. Its the author's duty to convey that tension of how the protagonists would overcome insurmountable odds, so I feel Oda failed in that.
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
My god, I am so sorry that you have to go through all this Greg! It's very inspiring what you have been able to do OP community even with all the things you were going through. I am sincerely praying for your and your family's well being and happiness.
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RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
I am not on twitter and I dont follow or post on any other forum other than this. Even here I post rarely. Reading through all the posts, I dont understand what's the big deal about what Greg said. He clearly said there is a range of ppl who say that Nami is weak, so couldn't beat Ulti. What he wrote here is very clear.
Anyway, I miss the old Nami who uses tricks to beat her opponent. Kalifa and Miss Doublefinger are some of the best fights in the series. We have so many characters who use brute strength, and it was refreshing at first to see someone using their brains to solve their opponents. But ever since TS, she has been only spamming lightning. I hope Robin gets a proper fight. But after this treatment to Nami, I dont want to hope to be disappointed.
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RE: Chapter 1,011: The Code of Sweet Beans
@Kaido:
I think y'all really need to cool it with this Luffy fighting Kaido "equally" talk. We have seen six pages of them clashing with advanced Conqueror's. Six. And the first four of them, in Chapter 1010, was not so much an all-out battle as it was Luffy taking Kaido by surprise. The rest of their fight is not just going to consist of them clashing with Conqueror's until one of them runs out of stamina. I get that individual chapter discussion can create some pretty heavy tunnel vision as people can put a lot of focus on minute details that end up not panning out as they expect, but this talk seems particularly egregious - especially when it comes to people already consigning future antagonists to be vastly outclassed by Luffy because these six pages clearly show he is just about worthy of the "world's strongest" title right now.
On the flip side, however, I do believe that Luffy should be steadily equalizing with Kaido. This fight started 11 chapters ago and you really can't have multiple volumes' worth of chapters showing Luffy being barely able to keep up with Kaido as was the case before he briefly got knocked out. Such a dynamic might be fine with the Yonko power wankers but at a certain point it stops being an engaging narrative. When Luffy fought Katakuri, I remember seeing a ton of complaints over how Katakuri's domination of 90% of the fight made Luffy's victory not sit so well. While I don't intend on fully using that in a negative light, the fact remains that Luffy gaining a satisfying victory in this battle will depend on him steadily adapting and finding new strength as it goes on - something that is important in a large amount of fictional works, not just shonen manga or One Piece alone. And though people may have legitimate differences of opinion on the merits of Luffy's power-ups in both this fight and this arc in general, there's no way you can call them asspulls by any stretch of the imagination. To do so would be displaying ignorance regarding what Luffy has done in this arc, as well as how Luffy has won battles in previous arcs (it'd really be interesting to see what this community would think of the Crocodile fights in Alabasta if this board was around back then).
Finally, please do not neglect to remember the considerable amount of wounds inflicted on Kaido by the Scabbards, Kid, Killer, Law, and particularly Zoro, who essentially gave him a wound of the same degree as Oden did 20 years ago. Luffy is not fighting a fully healthy Kaido and I fully expect the damage he has already sustained, particularly the Zoro cut, to be referenced later on in the battle. We shall see how that gets handled, but I figured I'd just remind y'all of that.
I agree with almost everything you said but the only noteworthy wound left on Kaido is from Zoro. Kid and Killer didn't do shit. Law made him cough up blood but he didn't comment on its severity, so its unlikely it did major damage. Scabbards gave him some superficial scratches and were not able to open up Oden's scar by Kaido's own words. So I dont think Kaido suffered considerable damage as you put it.
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RE: Chapter 1,011: The Code of Sweet Beans
@Joy:
Hawkins said someone has 1% chance of surviving yet we have seen nothing except the beast pirates getting wrecked. So nobody cares about what Hawkins says
Hawkins' prediction is always probability of event occurring not certainty, and the event with higher probability occurs only for him lol. Others always have the low probability event happening to them. Thats his luck. So yeah basically killer is not dying even if there is a 1% chance of him surviving because he is with SHs.
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Pay attention to the subtext when Big Mom warned Kaido she was going to Wano.
Then what she does once she reckognizes Queen.
Then what she says to Perospero when he questions the alliance.This entire setup is her idea. She's not in Wano just for Luffy's head.
Luffy is the main reason she came to Want but she is using this pretext to remove Kaido and get the poneglyph. Probably she is waiting for Kaido and Luffy to tire each other out and strike when time is right.
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RE: Chapter 1,010: Color of the Supreme King
Ace didn't seem to have Haki before joining Whitebeard, yet he challenged him just fine in the New World.
In the one piece novel, Ace activated CoA when fighting the VA before going to NW. He also developed CoC when he was in Goa kingdom.
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I feel both Croc and Moria were bellow their peak when they fought Luffy. Both were in Paradise for decades, fighting lower threats and newbie pirates, so they grew complacent and overconfident (and lazy, in the case of Moria). However, I don't think they'd forget haki entirely, only their reflexes and strength would get dulled.
I think of Moria and Croc as pirates that rushed throught power in Paradise and went too early to the New World. Both were present in Roger's execution, and Moria was defeated by Kaido one year later, an event in which his whole crew was massacrated and left him with serious PTSD. The way he talks to the Straw Hats in the end of Thriller Bark makes me feel he was much like Luffy pre-TS, thought himself very powerful and rushed to face Kaido, only to be crushed much like the SHs were defeated in Sabaody but with only Moria surviving.
Croc is another pirate that got defeated around the same time. I feel he has mastered his Devil Fruit to the point of awakening and was even able to fight low-level haki users by relying on how lethal his power was, but once he went for an emperor he was soundly defeated.
Considering the Shichibukai were created as a counter to the Emperors, maybe Croc and Moria were among the first Warlords, which is why they seem far weaker than the others. The government took some failed "supernovas" in hopes of them getting stronger over time.
CP9 is an interesting case. It's my theory that Rokushiki is a martial art meant to awake the haki potential of users. Some techniques like tekkai, shigan, kami-e and geppou sound too related to haki, plus Rokushiki is used by vice-admirals, who are said to know haki, so I believe mastery Rokushiki leads to mastery of haki as its next step. We should remember that there's one level above CP9, which is CP0, so maybe once you get enough power you are graduated into CP0, which is why the CP9 members could have some limited knowledge of haki but weren't proficient with it yet pre-TS.
Its possible. But I doubt anyone without haki would even be able to meet the emperor.
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All those musings are unnecessary. For the untrained eye, haki just makes the user stronger, faster and more resilient. We didn't know what we were seeing in Marineford, but you can bet haki was being used all the time by vice-admirals, admirals, commanders and so on.
We even saw the most glaring uses of haki when the admirals stopped Whitebeard's shockwave, when Jinbe was able to hold a lava fist with his bare hands,when Whitebeard was able to fend off Ace's attacks while sleeping, or when Akainu was able to evade haki attacks from Marco and Vista. Even when Squard took Whitebeard by surprise, Marco warned the readers that it was because of WB's failing health, as he normally would be able to avoid it entirely (CoO, then).
The post-Timeskip details only matter because we, the readers, are finally understanding haki just like the protagonists do. So, what appeared to be pure brute strength or unfathomable vigor before are now understood as haki enhancements.
All the examples you point here are after haki was introduced after EL/W7 and explored in Boa sisters arc. There is no retrofitting this to Alabasta or Thriller bark etc.
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That’s the thing, it feels like the general idea (including the three types) was established fairly early, while details, especilly visuals) were developed later. But haki basics are pretty consistent in early One Piece, and later reveals help understand some prior abilities.
Yes this is what I am also saying. Did Oda plan on haki as a general concept? Absolutely yes. Did Oda plan every nitty gritty detail on why Lucci/Moria and Crocodile did not use haki? Not really. And that's ok. That does not mean he is not a great author. It just means in a 20 yr series, things change and we have to accept that.
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Except for the part where Zoro literally goes "I must be able to use that power again".
https://i.imgur.com/aQaDeOs.png
From what Zoro says, it's clearly something he just tapped out and had no clue to do it again. A "magic, mysterious power" if you will.
He was still able to cut Ohm's steel clouds, which are also as durable as steel. So he remembered only for that fight but not when Enel was roasting everyone?
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RE: Chapter 1,010: Color of the Supreme King
Like King Cannon said, there's no evidence Moria or Croc have haki. I'd say it's likely Croc has an awakened fruit, but that's it.
Neither Croc nor Moria are hand-to-hand fighters. Both rely on their DFs (and cheap shots) to win fights.Moria even traps and crushes Luffy in Shadows Asgard form, but Luffy clearly says he felt nothing because he's rubber, indicating Moria was not using haki at all, thus the entire strength of Moria's attack was negated.
Now, about Lucci, he certainly was a hell of a fighter, but Gear 3rd was clearly able to surpass his defenses, and Gear 2nd was quick enough to be a match for him. He still was able to fight hand-to-hand and even had Rokuogan that looks suspiciously like an advanced CoA attack. Luffy was just able to outlast him throught willpower and resilience.
Haki is not a flawless power. It gives an edge, just like a DF would do, but it's not a "I have it no one without it can beat me" trump card. Even Kaido and Big Mom are monsters thanks to their abnormal bodies rather than haki alone.
There's no evidence Croc or Moria have Haki, especially lazy ass Moria.
Crocodile himself spent the last two decades or so in Alabasta. He didn't really live somewhere where Haki was used or necessary to survive.
Thats why I said I am surprised that it was mentioned by Oda that Crocodile was defeated by WB himself. A person with some haki can't even get near the emperor as we have seen let alone do anything in the NW without it. Same goes to Moria. Do you really think he would have put up a good fight with Kaido of all people if he didn't have haki? So yes there is no clear indication they had it at the time when Luffy defeated them, but I doubt they would have gained the name and fame they had with just DF powers. Caribou was a prime example of how DF alone can't get anything done in NW.
Lucci is weird for me. I mean the whole CP9 are. The elite assassins of WG does not know the most important power system in the world or they dont use it (as per the reader) when a pirate group declares war against the WG? Why would they do that when Lucci and others know the SH are no pushovers?
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RE: Chapter 1,010: Color of the Supreme King
Luffy also defeated the two Boa sisters, who were shown to have haki.
Haki is not an autowin. You can still overpower a haki user with raw strength, speed, technique and DF power.
In that fight it was explicitly mentioned that Luffy's speed and power was more than what Boa sisters' haki could handle. There was no such thing said in fights against Croc, Lucci and Moria.
It is our head canon that they also used haki preTS. If that was the case, there was no reason for Oda to show it explicitly in Boa Sisters' arc. Why not show it during Alabasta arc itself? -
RE: Chapter 1,010: Color of the Supreme King
Because Oda likes to give the pieces of the puzzle before showing the picture he's trying to build to. Rokushiki is a martial art, it uses haki in the same way hasshoken or any other martial art can use it.
A character like Lucci knowing haki before TS does not break the story. On the contrary, it helps explaining a lot of things. The pieces leading towards haki as we know it today were laid out since the beginning: Shanks using CoC on the Lord of the Coast in Chapter 1, Krieg mistaking Mihawk's abilities for a DF since he couldn't explain it with mundane skills, Zoro hearing the breath of things and transfering his conscience to his sword to cut Mr. 1, Blackbeard identifying haki in Luffy in Jaya, Mantra in Sky Island, Rokushiki's stronger applications, Garp being able to harm Luffy just after Enies Lobby, Shanks and Whitebeard and their clash splitting the sky…
It's not like the story never referenced something supernatural about certain characters until certain point, and then haki appears out of nowhere. Just like many other concepts, OP was laying the foundations for it for a long time.
To me, the only real change were in visuals. Before TS, haki was invisible and we would only be sure of its usage when stated by characters. After TS, Oda started doing the blackning and lightning effects so we readers can guess when it's used.
But somehow Lucci knowing haki preTS loses to Luffy who did not know it then, but Luffy, Zoro and Sanji together were able barely able to beat the pacifista two arcs later using their strongest moves(at that time) meanwhile Zoro somehow was able to use advanced CoA since Alabasta arc. Then immediately post TS the same pacifista was used as benchmark to show how the monster trio have improved.
I am not saying that haki was a completely new concept post TS. It was introduced way before like you have rightly pointed out but it is widely inconsistent and raises a lot of questions than handwaving it with some reason like the characters knew it then but somehow we as reader did not see it being used unless stated. If you take all the major villains pre TS, be it Crocodile, Moria or Lucci, all of them are in the New World now and they are implied to have haki pre TS. Crocodile fought WB and Moria fought Kaido and said to have caused major loses that Kaido had to delay fighting Oden for 5 years. I can't imagine them being in NW without knowing haki at all. Even if we take into account they have weakened after their defeats, its hard to imagine those two and Lucci, knowing haki lost to Luffy Pre TS, who was barely able to beat a pacifista.
I guess my question boils down to this one thing. If these three knew haki, how did they lose to Luffy? What is the point of author not showing it when he as you said sowed the seeds from the very beginning? With all this in mind, I can conclude that haki as a concept (CoO, CoA and CoC all together) was only really solidified at the end of Enies Loby.