Scopper will show up and train luffy either df awakening or advanced coc.
Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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@uniaka:
Scopper will show up and train luffy either df awakening or advanced coc.
I doubt he has CoC
So I going with the awakening DF
Still curious when he will show up
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And as Greg said there's the "Koma" animals
So we have the Yokai. The story just isn't focused on them.
Plus aren't Oni, Yokai? I think it's obvious Kaido is one, but we need full confirmation from Oda obviously.
And if he is that's another one for you.I think it simply comes down that the story isnt focused on them. Theres alot of interesting things in Wano from the ninjas, the dolls, monks, samurai etc.
Don't forget about the Numbers. They seem to be really creepy creatures…
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Well difference is we have seen Scopper now and we have no other character resembling him.
Could very well be someone or something that does or doesn't at all resemble him. I'm not suggesting I have anyone or anything in mind but it could be the case.
Remember, while many big beats of the story are decided in advance, some are a result of random serendipity and Oda's whims. Like the Ace/Roger connection.
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@uniaka:
Scopper will show up and train luffy either df awakening or advanced coc.
I'd say it's more likely that vegapunk will be the one to do that.
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Don't forget about the Numbers. They seem to be really creepy creatures…
Agreed, I think the numbers will end up being Yokai allies of Kaido, along with him being an Oni too
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Greg what do you you think of Puddings future role or better the three eyed clan.
Do you have some theories about her/them?
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Maybe Pudding won't have much of a bigger role in future, and the three eyed tribe will be represented by someone else.. Someone else who could need it its power to decipher Poneglyphs, maybe someone who has hidden the fact that he is from the tribe, maybe someone who has a "weird" body and doesn't sleep and has a theme of number 3… :ninja:
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It would look weird on BB for sure. Even with the bandana he has quite a large forehead though.
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Greg what do you you think of Puddings future role or better the three eyed clan.
I still believe (strongly) that Pudding will be essential to reeling in Mom in or around Elbaf unless things get really insane at Wano. That being said, Oda giving her the hero stick at Wano would seem out of place and completely suck the drama out of conflict at Elbaf so I reaaaally don't think that makes sense for Oda's style.
So yeah, basically what I thought Oda would do in WCI, I still see transpiring. That is to say, we find out that Streussen is the big bad, possibly having arranged deals with crooked giants to make things go poorly, and having (directly or indirectly) taken advantage of Pudding's DF ability.
That is to say, Lola left the family on good terms, a few years later Pudding was promised to Loki, Pudding didn't want that, Streussen suggested she use her ability to manipulate the memories of all Tottland, she changed her own arranged marriage to being Lola (who had actually departed years earlier), this set Mom in a panic for fear of losing an alliance with giants so she offered up Lola's identical sister, when Loki shows up to marry who he assumes is Pudding, he's shocked! Here's where the story can split a bit. Is he attracted to Chiffon or not? If not, then Loki, in a rage, storms off and cancels the union having seemingly been taken for a fool. If he did find her attractive, this is where potential crooked giants could come into play (high-ranking elders etc.) declaring Mom a deceiver and rushing Loki off. Depending on which turns out to be the case will determine Lola's role in all of this.
Back to the main trunk, with the alliance split, Pudding wraps up loose ends by making sure none of the family start asking too many questions. For example, she plants fake memories of being beaten by Mom in Chiffon's head, that way the two never interact enough to realize how small details don't add up.
Having done this once before is exactly why Pudding said "it's gonna be another pain in the ass" or something like that, while prepping for the wedding. Not only is her power Sugar-level OP, she has freaking flying carpet that can take her anywhere and cover great ground, manipulating squads of individuals at a time. Of course none of that matters if she first gets Mom under her control which she could easily do being a favorite of Mom's.
The above-mentioned split path could have an awesome bow tied around it if Loki found Chiffon attractive. If so, it makes Lola the perfect candidate to marry Loki wrapping both of their stories up while also giving Mom a happy ending for a true union with the giants and completing Tottland which, let's face it, if not for Mom's drastic means that largely seem influenced by Streussen, the concept behind Tottland is genuinely heartwarming.
Edit: ooh, also, since Arashi just made it known to the entirety of Japan, yes, JinBAE is the final crew member that I'm aware of so I feel confident talking about that again in any level of detail. There are a few fun anecdotes about the timing and such but they're best discussed after the series concludes out of respect for the team. I personally don't think Oda has an interest in increasing the crew beyond JinBAE, but Vivi can slip in at any time she's needed or required. I have good reason to believe her relation to the crew is one of the series' many happy coincidences that grew as the story grew. Her very first appearance and Oda's 'Manga is a Wonderland' (iirc) series of comments support that. She's basically an honorary Strawhat whereas Law is a partner and the fleet can be whatever the heck it wants. In short, one cannot possibly be closer to being a full-time Strawhat than Vivi, but I do not believe she's one of the original planned main SH crew that Oda wanted to showcase..
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I still believe (strongly) that Pudding will be essential to reeling in Mom in or around Elbaf unless things get really insane at Wano. That being said, Oda giving her the hero stick at Wano would seem out of place and completely suck the drama out of conflict at Elbaf so I reaaaally don't think that makes sense for Oda's style.
So yeah, basically what I thought Oda would do in WCI, I still see transpiring. That is to say, we find out that Streussen is the big bad, possibly having arranged deals with crooked giants to make things go poorly, and having (directly or indirectly) taken advantage of Pudding's DF ability.
That is to say, Lola left the family on good terms, a few years later Pudding was promised to Loki, Pudding didn't want that, Streussen suggested she use her ability to manipulate the memories of all Tottland, she changed her own arranged marriage to being Lola (who had actually departed years earlier), this set Mom in a panic for fear of losing an alliance with giants so she offered up Lola's identical sister, when Loki shows up to marry who he assumes is Pudding, he's shocked! Here's where the story can split a bit. Is he attracted to Chiffon or not? If not, then Loki, in a rage, storms off and cancels the union having seemingly been taken for a fool. If he did find her attractive, this is where potential crooked giants could come into play (high-ranking elders etc.) declaring Mom a deceiver and rushing Loki off. Depending on which turns out to be the case will determine Lola's role in all of this.
Back to the main trunk, with the alliance split, Pudding wraps up loose ends by making sure none of the family start asking too many questions. For example, she plants fake memories of being beaten by Mom in Chiffon's head, that way the two never interact enough to realize how small details don't add up.
Having done this once before is exactly why Pudding said "it's gonna be another pain in the ass" or something like that, while prepping for the wedding. Not only is her power Sugar-level OP, she has freaking flying carpet that can take her anywhere and cover great ground, manipulating squads of individuals at a time. Of course none of that matters if she first gets Mom under her control which she could easily do being a favorite of Mom's.
The above-mentioned split path could have an awesome bow tied around it if Loki found Chiffon attractive. If so, it makes Lola the perfect candidate to marry Loki wrapping both of their stories up while also giving Mom a happy ending for a true union with the giants and completing Tottland which, let's face it, if not for Mom's drastic means that largely seem influenced by Streussen, the concept behind Tottland is genuinely heartwarming.
So do you see big mom being a potential ally to the strawhats, or maybe neutral toward them? The real most important question here is…do you see Pudding and Sanji actually getting together, or is that just gonna get swept under the rug and lead nowhere?
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Ally? That'd be tough. Luffy by himself would have to be as tough as Kaido and go head to head with Mom for a long time. I don't think Oda would waste time on that and so no, not to the level of someone like Law.
However… I do fully expect them to at least unite for a common goal and gain a certain level of respect for each other. So work together at some point? Yes!
As for Sanji, as they kissed and essentially sealed the deal, those two are totes married by dramatic manga law so I find that hard for Oda to ignore. Naturally, being married means little to Mom with respect to alliances as the Vinsmokes found out. While I don't see it being a theme to explore the fallout of during the main story, (in detail that is, ie. Pudding living onboard Sunny etc) I would expect it to be explored in detail in the epilogue, no doubt ending in divorce and Mom getting pissed at Sanji and the SHs all over again if they don't disband.
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Ally? That'd be tough. Luffy by himself would have to be as tough as Kaido and go head to head with Mom for a long time. I don't think Oda would waste time on that and so no, not to the level of someone like Law.
However… I do fully expect them to at least unite for a common goal and gain a certain level of respect for each other. So work together at some point? Yes!
As for Sanji, as they kissed and essentially sealed the deal, those two are totes married by dramatic manga law so I find that hard for Oda to ignore. Naturally, being married means little to Mom with respect to alliances as the Vinsmokes found out. While I don't see it being a theme to explore the fallout of during the main story, (in detail that is, ie. Pudding living onboard Sunny etc) I would expect it to be explored in detail in the epilogue, no doubt ending in divorce and Mom getting pissed at Sanji and the SHs all over again if they don't disband.
I had hoped for Sanji and Pudding to have a baratie-esque restaurant together in the epilogue, but him having a more sitcom like ending probably makes more sense, lol. If you don't mind, and are able to talk about it I'd love to hear what you think each of the strawhats would be doing in the epilogue. That'd be wicked.
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Thank god that he isn't planning to wedge in any last island crew member.
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I wouldn't mind not having new crewmembers if we continue to see the current crew developing and gaining new abilities. Like Usopp having Pop Greens makes us not need a bothanist as a new crewmember. And that's good
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So you think Oda is gonna throw away the "10 nakama line"? Or are you just saying you are not aware if there is one or who it might be?
And also, iirc, around Momo talking about having met Roger on Zou, which everyone shrugged off at taht point, you had a beautiful theory about what it entails for the ending of the story regarding the voice of all things and what color of observation actually represents.
Now we know that at least for Momo having met Roger, it´s not true, since the whole time jump and all, do you still support that theory though?
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So you think Oda is gonna throw away the "10 nakama line"? Or are you just saying you are not aware if there is one or who it might be?
Including Jinbei we have ten proper crewmembers no?
And if you want it to be captain+10 just count Vivi for 11
Seems to add up either way.
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Including Jinbei we have ten proper crewmembers no?
And if you want it to be captain+10 just count Vivi for 11
Seems to add up either way.
Well, it´s says nakama, so by default it´s captain + 10.
My personal opinion is, it´s definitely enough, but if you want to take the 10 thing as absolute, Vivi does not fit, otherwise you need to put Carue in there as well. -
Greg about Jinbe?
Will he come back this arc and has something happened to him?
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It was never was an absolute statement, was it? It was something more like 'I'll need around ten people', right? Could be foreshadowing, could mean nothing.
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Since there is not build up between sanji and one of the kaidou pirates, like there is between zolo and orochi, luffy and kaidou, It seems sanji will have to deal with his family in law, but I don't think pudding is here in wano. Sanji and maybe his family( if they are prisoners in her book) will take on big mom to keep her busy so luffy can take on kaidou. I wonder if pudding got to tell BM that sanji is the one that made the cake and how Bm feels about it. Maybe zeus is not the thing bm is here to get, but sanji for his cooking skills.
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It was never was an absolute statement, was it? It was something more like 'I'll need around ten people', right? Could be foreshadowing, could mean nothing.
Maybe Greg can enlighten us, i cant read Japanese, Stephen simply translated it as him wanting 10 people/nakama
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@uniaka:
Since there is not build up between sanji and one of the kaidou pirates, like there is between zolo and orochi, luffy and kaidou, It seems sanji will have to deal with his family in law, but I don't think pudding is here in wano. Sanji and maybe his family( if they are prisoners in her book) will take on big mom to keep her busy so luffy can take on kaidou. I wonder if pudding got to tell BM that sanji is the one that made the cake and how Bm feels about it. Maybe zeus is not the thing bm is here to get, but sanji for his cooking skills.
Is there a need? There was no buildup for the respective baroque works agents and the strawhats, or the priests and their oppnents in skypeia.
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Since there is not build up between sanji and one of the kaidou pirates.
No buildup?
- Queen literally looks like a failed DBZ fusion between Jabra and giraffe Kaku
- His main personality trait is NOT sharing food with anyone no matter what
- Personally ordered Page 1 and Drake to kill Sanji / Soba Mask
- Third strongest member of the Beast Pirates
There is so much buildup it's almost too on the nose!
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No buildup?
- Queen literally looks like a failed DBZ fusion between Jabra and giraffe Kaku
- His main personality trait is NOT sharing food with anyone no matter what
- Personally ordered Page 1 and Drake to kill Sanji / Soba Mask
- Third strongest member of the Beast Pirates
There is so much buildup it's almost too on the nose!
Luffy, BM, bonney don't share food either, not really have to fight cook. Queen is the plague doctor, so it makes sense to fight the doctors on luffy's side, like surgeon of Death or chopper, sanji has no funk, only franky has the funk and queen also has cyborg arm like franky. I understood that kyoshiro told queen to do it because sanji took out his yakuza family and he had no time himself.
If this arc was all about beast pirates, maybe, but the previous arcs villains are here too. The ones sanji married into, the ones he escaped from, the ones that captured the vinsmokes, the ones that tried to kill sanji and his family, the ones that want sanji's raid suit, the Brothers and mom of sanji's pudding. Beast pirates enemies are the samurais and supernovas and wano people, someone else has to keep bm pirates occupied too. Sanji is nethier samurai, nor supernova.
Nami, brook, jimbe make sense to help sanji too with bm pirates. Pedro also died on the mission to take back sanji from totland. Someone has to kick the as of perospero really hard.
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Sunkist probably has a little funk.
Or atleast a dance setting on the suit.
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I thought Queen personality was being the party dude. Being stingy with food is just a beast pirate staple. Heck I would even call it an evil guy stable.
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As for Sanji, as they kissed and essentially sealed the deal, those two are totes married by dramatic manga law so I find that hard for Oda to ignore. Naturally, being married means little to Mom with respect to alliances as the Vinsmokes found out. While I don't see it being a theme to explore the fallout of during the main story, (in detail that is, ie. Pudding living onboard Sunny etc) I would expect it to be explored in detail in the epilogue, no doubt ending in divorce and Mom getting pissed at Sanji and the SHs all over again if they don't disband.
Divorce doesn't seem to be among the narrative unuverse of Oda, even despite divorce jokes are funny. He seems to me to be a tradicional guy on that respect. I only remember pirates saling and leaving children and wifes behind, bu still been husbands and fathers.
But Sanji has the profile to be the cook and maid of the perfect blue Puddin's restaurant.
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Edit: ooh, also, since Arashi just made it known to the entirety of Japan, yes, JinBAE is the final crew member that I'm aware of so I feel confident talking about that again in any level of detail. There are a few fun anecdotes about the timing and such but they're best discussed after the series concludes out of respect for the team. I personally don't think Oda has an interest in increasing the crew beyond JinBAE, but Vivi can slip in at any time she's needed or required. I have good reason to believe her relation to the crew is one of the series' many happy coincidences that grew as the story grew. Her very first appearance and Oda's 'Manga is a Wonderland' (iirc) series of comments support that. She's basically an honorary Strawhat whereas Law is a partner and the fleet can be whatever the heck it wants. In short, one cannot possibly be closer to being a full-time Strawhat than Vivi, but I do not believe she's one of the original planned main SH crew that Oda wanted to showcase..
Awww man :sad:
One of the things I've been looking forward to the most is who the last straw hat will be
I thought for sure since Black Beard has 10 crew members and Luffy said he wanted 10 crewmates in the very beginning of the series that for sure we'd be getting one last crew member
now I'm just sad
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Isn't the implication that Blackbeards last guy is just Aokiji who'll reveal his true colors and bail before the fighting?
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JinBAE, whats the emphasis there for Greg? Jin-before anyone else? Jin-poop? I've gotten so used to typing Jimbei it's just a habit, is Jinbae some new official spelling? Is there one?
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JinBAE, whats the emphasis there for Greg? Jin-before anyone else? Jin-poop? I've gotten so used to typing Jimbei it's just a habit, is Jinbae some new official spelling? Is there one?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=official%20bae
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Isn't the implication that Blackbeards last guy is just Aokiji who'll reveal his true colors and bail before the fighting?
So now we’re not getting one last black beard crew member either, man now I’m really in the dumps
EDIT: I think this is the first time I’ve ever wanted Greg to be wrong about a prediction, no offense Greg, I was just really hoping for one more badass crewmate in both the straw hats and the black beard pirates
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Isn't the implication that Blackbeards last guy is just Aokiji who'll reveal his true colors and bail before the fighting?
That would be quite the detail Jinbe omitted though.
"Akainu defeated Aokiji and became Fleet Admiral. Oh, and Aokiji is now part of the Blackbeard Pirates".
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Isn't the implication that Blackbeards last guy is just Aokiji who'll reveal his true colors and bail before the fighting?
I felt like the Aokiji thing was a recent thing the Blackbeard were still testing out and keeping on the downlow while the 10 giants are established and public.
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The elder stars chewing out red dawg about how blue birds defection was bringing dishonor to the marine name made me think that it was a known fact that the former marine had joined an emperor. But i suppose it could go both ways, but seeing how we got that BB trusts him but we don't scene with Lafitte and Shiryu it sounds like blue bird is an actual member. Heck even the fact that Burgess still can't remember to call him admiral could suggest that the titanic captains system and his fleet is a somewhat recent creation. That's my take at least.
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Speculation
Aokiji won on Punk Hazard and decided that Sakazuki should be the Fleet Admiral. He wanted to be closer to the action and snuggle under Teach. Teach got what he wanted from the WG by using their Warlord system and this would be Aokiji's way of using Teach's tactics against him
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I agree with Greg on Lola having departed Totland on good terms with Big Mom. It explains why Lola so graciously offered Luffy a vivre card to her awesome pirate mother, and said he could ask her for help if needed.
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Its pretty obvious Aokiji is following some kind of plan and pretty much infiltrated the NW underworld.
I do think Akainu knows about it, i do not think the WG knows about it.
The Marines in turn did not know about the WG doing business with pirates.If you actually think about it, the rift between the Marines and the WG has been a pretty consistent factor, especially after the timeskip.
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Divorce doesn't seem to be among the narrative unuverse of Oda, even despite divorce jokes are funny. He seems to me to be a tradicional guy on that respect. I only remember pirates saling and leaving children and wifes behind, bu still been husbands and fathers.
I offer the notion only because Pudding would look like a fool if she stuck with Sanji and he kept on…nosebleeding...mermaids....
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Greg what’s your thoughts on Aokiji being the last member of Black Beards 10 Titans
EDIT: Also if Jinbei is the last straw hat crewmember will Oda give us some sort of deceleration that the crew is finished from Luffy, like him saying "Now the Crew is Complete" or something
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Edit: ooh, also, since Arashi just made it known to the entirety of Japan, yes, JinBAE is the final crew member that I'm aware of so I feel confident talking about that again in any level of detail. There are a few fun anecdotes about the timing and such but they're best discussed after the series concludes out of respect for the team. I personally don't think Oda has an interest in increasing the crew beyond JinBAE, but Vivi can slip in at any time she's needed or required. I have good reason to believe her relation to the crew is one of the series' many happy coincidences that grew as the story grew. Her very first appearance and Oda's 'Manga is a Wonderland' (iirc) series of comments support that. She's basically an honorary Strawhat whereas Law is a partner and the fleet can be whatever the heck it wants. In short, one cannot possibly be closer to being a full-time Strawhat than Vivi, but I do not believe she's one of the original planned main SH crew that Oda wanted to showcase..
This is wild to see confirmed in such an official way, both in terms of the Arashi collab and Greg commenting on it.
I was actually speculating in the Oda's interviews thread like yesterday that things like Jinbe and Zoro having Enma among his swords were an attempt to future-proof the imagery by whoever planned the collab. The manga moves on quickly from individual colour spreads, but a band is going to want to keep the music video and associated visuals in rotation a lot longer, so it makes sense they wouldn't want it feeling outdated after as little as a few months' development. (maybe less who knows really) More and more I'm thinking Jinbe is going to be addressed very quickly after the flashback ends.
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Greg what’s your thoughts on Aokiji being the last member of Black Beards 10 Titans
EDIT: Also if Jinbei is the last straw hat crewmember will Oda give us some sort of deceleration that the crew is finished from Luffy, like him saying "Now the Crew is Complete" or something
I don't see the reason for that declaration. It is not like Luffy chant 'another two remains','another one remains' every time a new member join.
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I don't see the reason for that declaration. It is not like Luffy chant 'another two remains','another one remains' every time a new member join.
There’s a huge difference between saying it each time someone joins like some sort of countdown and just saying it once the last crew member joins to tell fans who’ve been reading for decades that it’s complete, it’s a milestone
Not saying it would definitely happen but I don’t see why it’s unreasonable
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Well, I edited my post in the meantime. I have given my reason.
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Well, I edited my post in the meantime. I have given my reason.
You make a good point, I just think it would be nice to make it official, but I guess that might be kind of forced and un-luffy like
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I offer the notion only because Pudding would look like a fool if she stuck with Sanji and he kept on…nosebleeding...mermaids....
It'd nice to watch Pudding is able to love him being aware of his nosebleeding mermaids, tho. Having nosebleeding on meirmaids is different than touching mermaids, and Sanji is a gentlemen. A true eternal romance is posible for him there :-)
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Eh, I don't believe it. Or I should say, I'll believe it when I see it / when Oda himself says something to this effect.
It seems pretty well established that Vivi wasn't planned as a crew member from the outset.
I get Oda plans things in advance, but any writer will alter course as they come up with new ideas. Oda's original crew sketch from data book green is remarkably similar, but also notably different. There's no botanist in the crew. Usopp sort of absorbed some of those traits / abilities. The sprite carpenter is decidedly less Super than the one we ended up with. Robin is nowhere to be seen. Plans change.
Lots of people, myself included, expected Jimbei going back 10 years now to Impel Down / Marineford. He already promised to join during Fishman Island and officially joined in Whole Cake Island. It's cool to finally see him included in a color spread / outside story material, but it's hardly a revelation.
Just because Greg doesn't KNOW about any more Straw Hats, doesn't mean there will not be any more. No offense intended to Greg. If he did know it for a fact, he wouldn't announce it before Oda himself. It's just Greg's impression of the series. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what Greg said is that Jimbei is the last character that he knows about, which is very different from "I know that Jimbei is the last crewmember." He didn't feel comfortable commenting on future crew members at all because he knew for sure about Jimbei. Now that the only character that he knew for sure was set to join has joined, he can comment freely on the topic. And his comment / prediction is that Jimbei is the last. That's just his prediction, not a confirmation.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Just because Greg doesn't KNOW about any more Straw Hats, doesn't mean there will not be any more. No offense intended to Greg. If he did know it for a fact, he wouldn't announce it before Oda himself. It's just Greg's impression of the series. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what Greg said is that Jimbei is the last character that he knows about, which is very different from "I know that Jimbei is the last crewmember." He didn't feel comfortable commenting on future crew members at all because he knew for sure about Jimbei. Now that the only character that he knew for sure was set to join has joined, he can comment freely on the topic. And his comment / prediction is that Jimbei is the last. That's just his prediction, not a confirmation.
Let's hope your right
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I think alike Jabra in the newkama thread. For the serie goodness, a new member is far from necessary given the state the current crew is managed. So do we really need one more extra dead weight just to fulfill a phrase from chapter 1 ? which can easily be become true by adding the Sunny or Vivi.
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I think alike Jabra in the newkama thread. For the serie goodness, a new member is far from necessary given the state the current crew is managed. So do we really need one more extra dead weight just to fulfill a phrase from chapter 1 ? which can easily be become true by adding the Sunny or Vivi.
Especially now that we know Oda wants to finish the serie in a relative short time, a new strawhat does not sound like a smart choiceThere is a difference between what you prefer to happen and what is more likely to happen.
I only supported Jinbe joining because he is an extremely fleshed out character, by OP standards, already, while having deep ties with Luffy, so there is not much required to spend on that in addition, except maybe put a more individual and selfish wish for Jinbe in there.But generally? Another crewmember will thin out the little time the others take even more.
Having said that, teh question still stands, wonder if Oda will throw the 10 nakama thing away or not.