Jesus fucking Christ Eurovision.
I reckon I can say this in the political thread :ninja:
Jesus fucking Christ Eurovision.
I reckon I can say this in the political thread :ninja:
It’s cool that a song won about celebrating diversity and respecting one another and not be a bully. So where does this chicken lady hail from?
Oh.
You have to admit, this was even one of the better songs in this ESC. I liked Estonia and Denmark the most. And Cyprus, because of their beyoncey performance.
I politely disagree, but then again, I only enjoyed like, 5 songs, found the rest forgettable and hated Israel. If that's best or worst than being forgettable I'll leave to you.
Italy, Hungary (I actually felt like it would be better toned down a notch), Denmark, Albania, Norway to an extent. I guess that's it. Czech was fun, but not really groundbreaking.
Most generic award of the night goes to Germany.
Also Netherlands… what the fuck was that?
I think I had an aneurysm when I heard the Israeli song. Wow. Can anyone tell me how that even exists and then how tje majority of europeans voted for it?
I think I had an aneurysm when I heard the Israeli song. Wow. Can anyone tell me how that even exists and then how tje majority of europeans voted for it?
The beat is pretty good, and it is easy to sing along to it.
Also, it was rude of europe to place your country last. I mean, your entry wasn't that great, but still. Thanks for hosting an awesome show.
ahahahaha, you coulda picked Cyprus, but nooooo
Have fun next year with the absolute shitshow of Israel as the host.
@Monkey:
ahahahaha, you coulda picked Cyprus, but nooooo
Have fun next year with the absolute shitshow of Israel as the host.
Huh, isn't Israel technically an Asian nation?
@S.C.:
Huh, isn't Israel technically an Asian nation?
So is Cyprus, and lets not even get started on Australia.
Netherlands we need to have a discussion about how Sweden and Finland do country better than you.
Jesus fucking Christ Eurovision.
I reckon I can say this in the political thread :ninja:
Deadpool agrees with you.
T'was quite satisfying when the crowd started booing Sweden.
@Monkey:
ahahahaha, you coulda picked Cyprus, but nooooo
Have fun next year with the absolute shitshow of Israel as the host.
Can't wait to see where they choose to host it. Jerusalem? Gaza? It is going to be a blast! :ninja:
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The beat is pretty good, and it is easy to sing along to it.
Also, it was rude of europe to place your country last. I mean, your entry wasn't that great, but still. Thanks for hosting an awesome show.
Thanks for the compliments! I did not find the show to be that great, though the 4 girls did a good job presenting it, despite some trouble with the english accent haha. The songs they chose to open the show with and the ones sung later during the voting weren't that great. The comedy was also pretty shallow. We used to have better comedians but what can you do.
What makes me even more mad is the fact that I actually thought this year had 5 or 6 good songs, unlike the usual parade of crap the Eurovision usually is, but none of those made it to the top 5. Ugh.
T'was quite satisfying when the crowd started booing Sweden.
Some more info for the lazy and uninformed of what's going on?
@S.C.:
Huh, isn't Israel technically an Asian nation?
Israeli teams and athelets always participate in European competitions instead of Asian ones.
Same with cultural related events on an European scale.
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Can't wait to see where they choose to host it. Jerusalem? Gaza? It is going to be a blast! :ninja:
Benny Neta said that it would be in Jerusalem. Oh well, what can you do.
Some more info for the lazy and uninformed of what's going on?
Not much to tell really. Sweden took an early lead as the jury selections darling because they think overproduced and bland group meeting created music is great. While the song was voted second or third to last in the counted crowd votes. So after the first round of jury points the public was shame booing when the Swedish entry was in the lead. Which is great because these american idol singers we keep sending are dull, same looking and without any sense of fun whatsoever.
@Monkey:
So is Cyprus, and lets not even get started on Australia.
Wait, what? How in the world is Australia in the EuroVision? Might as well let the U.S. and Canada in.
@S.C.:
Wait, what? How in the world is Australia in the EuroVision? Might as well let the U.S. and Canada in.
You must be confusing it with Austria, y'know down under
Who is even watching the Eurovision ?
And yes, Cyprus and Israel can be considered to be european. But even europeans don't know what Europe means.
Europe merely has any natural frontier. What makes Europe coherent is democracy and secularism. This is why the UK is an european country just like Turkey and Israel. And Belarus is an anomaly.
I'd gladly say more about what Europe means, but I have to go out now.
@S.C.:
Wait, what? How in the world is Australia in the EuroVision? Might as well let the U.S. and Canada in.
Eurovision routinely has guest countries. Australia was one of them, and since they were good sports and fit well with the atmosphere they were invited as regulars iirc.
Israel winning is just bleah. Bad obnoxious song, awful aesthetic (and I'm not even talking about the cultural appropriation aspect - it was jarring regardless of politics), and of course the fact it's Israel makes the meaning of the song a little hypocritical…
I can't believe they were actually voted by the public. Feels rigged man, Netherlands, Cyprus, or Moldova should've won, not bloody Israel.
Also, the hosts this year were truly awful. Most cringe I've seen on live tv is ages.
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Who is even watching the Eurovision ?
And yes, Cyprus and Israel can be considered to be european. But even europeans don't know what Europe means.
Europe merely has any natural frontier. What makes Europe coherent is democracy and secularism. This is why the UK is an european country just like Turkey and Israel. And Belarus is an anomaly.
I'd gladly say more about what Europe means, but I have to go out now.
200-300 million people watch Eurovision each year. That's who.
And please, don't act like you're an authority on what 'europe' is, and claim there's no agreed definition. Israel and Australia aren't in Europe. Half of Turkey is. Belarus is, Russia kind of is, kind of isn't. Everything else is very clearly part of Europe. It's not about values, it's a geographical matter - the european continent is contoured by sea (including the islands like Cyprus, Malta, and the UK), the Ural mountain range, and the turkish strip of land where istanbul lies. Don't give me this 'Europe is democracy and secularism' because that's obviously historically not the case with all eastern european countries, or even western european countries until fairly recently.
And no, Eurovision doesn't arbiter who is and isn't in Europe. It's just about letting some countries that share values join a song contest -_-
If Eurovision was super smash, then Australia is Sonic.
Do the winner get to host the next Eurovision or it is just a coincidence?
So one thing i've always pondered about Eurovision and the associated national competitions. In Sweden the whole shebang has evolved into sort of a gay event, like not in the sense that it's exclusively for people who are homosexual but in that it's very embraced by the gay community and has overtime become rather associated with that sub-culture. Yet it seems to be quite popular in places that at best would be considered akward around the whole two men thing. So my ignorant little question here is how is it viewed in your various nations? Does it have the same associations with all the glitter, bright colours and theatrics and all that. Or is that just our weird national hat lol
It's been considered a very embarassing gaudy gay event for a long time here, and we've been sending in shit talent accordingly, until a legit rock star entered for funsies in 2013 and did really well and since then we're taking it serious again even though nobody will admit out in the open that they're watching.
Do the winner get to host the next Eurovision or it is just a coincidence?
No coincidence, that's the prize. You win you get to host the show the following year.
So one thing i've always pondered about Eurovision and the associated national competitions. In Sweden the whole shebang has evolved into sort of a gay event, like not in the sense that it's exclusively for people who are homosexual but in that it's very embraced by the gay community and has overtime become rather associated with that sub-culture. Yet it seems to be quite popular in places that at best would be considered akward around the whole two men thing. So my ignorant little question here is how is it viewed in your various nations? Does it have the same associations with all the glitter, bright colours and theatrics and all that. Or is that just our weird national hat lol
In Portugal there are a dozen very popular (as in, literaly everybody knows them) old songs that were our entries to Eurovision, those were made by some of the most respected authors, composers and singers we had/have.
Then, in the 80's it started going more of a pop route but still very popular, and starting in the mid 90's or early 00's it was open to anyone and it became very pimba. Pimba is our low budget pop, everybody ends up knowing the songs but they're very tacky and silly, filled with dirty puns and such. Those artists play all over the country but mostly in villages and towns not in the huge venues or festivals. But for the eurovison they put aside the puns, went over the top with national symbols and were given a nice budget so they became really kitch and the festival lost popularity over here. Except for one ocasion a few years back when a comedic project took their characters Os Homens da Luta (the men of the struggle), who were a caricature/juxtaposition of bourgois communists, and that got plenty of attention.
After that we didn't even enter the competion for a year or two and came back last year, now inviting respected and popular artists again to compose for the festival, hence our great song from last year and our smooth song from this year.
Also, there are a lot of people bothered by a song contest in here.
It's just an excuse to have a little fun beyond borders and possibly find a couple of new songs or artists you might enjoy. Chillax
This years winner was one of the most over the top pop songs presented, it's not really a mystery why it won. Altough youtube suggested me a couple of songs from the winner a couple of weeks back and I gotta say I prefered them to the eurovision song. She has a great funk music called Potatoes in a Balcony TV video and a surprisingly calm and good rendition of What is Love (baby don't hurt me) on a tv contest.
Btw, why was her look cultural apropriation?
Yeah, those good luck cats are from Japan but Japan exports them on purpose along with many other aspects of it's daily and historical culture. They're are respected and revered, they're not being stepped on.
That's like saying Tarantino having samurai swords in his movies is cultural apropriation.
And please, don't act like you're an authority on what 'europe' is, and claim there's no agreed definition. Israel and Australia aren't in Europe. Half of Turkey is. Belarus is, Russia kind of is, kind of isn't. Everything else is very clearly part of Europe. It's not about values, it's a geographical matter - the european continent is contoured by sea (including the islands like Cyprus, Malta, and the UK), the Ural mountain range, and the turkish strip of land where istanbul lies. Don't give me this 'Europe is democracy and secularism' because that's obviously historically not the case with all eastern european countries, or even western european countries until fairly recently.
I don't have any authority and neither has anyone. We're not talking about hard science.
Yes Australia isn't in Europe. And yes the Eurovision doesn't define what is and isn't in Europe, but that has never been my point.
Europe is an "invention". That's my point. And it's commonly agreed that its geographical frontier in the south-east is vaguely defined. How can anyone with the slightest knowledge in the domain deny that…
Seriously, why do you include islands ? If it's only geographical, then the UK, Malta, Corsica, Cyprus, Iceland and many other islands aren't part of Europe.
And lol at claiming that the Bosporus splits a whole continent in half but the English Channel doesn't for some reason.
Also, I guess Spain and Portugal aren't part of Europe because of the Pyrenees… and Italy isn't either because it's surrounded by mountains.
I don't have any authority and neither has anyone. We're not talking about hard science.
Yes Australia isn't in Europe. And yes the Eurovision doesn't define what is and isn't in Europe, but that has never been my point.
Europe is an "invention". That's my point. And it's commonly agreed that its geographical frontier in the south-east is vaguely defined. How can anyone with the slightest knowledge in the domain deny that…
Seriously, why do you include islands ? If it's only geographical, then the UK, Malta, Corsica, Cyprus, Iceland and many other islands aren't part of Europe.
And lol at claiming that the Bosporus splits a whole continent in half but the English Channel doesn't for some reason.
Also, I guess Spain and Portugal aren't part of Europe because of the Pyrenees… and Italy isn't either because it's surrounded by mountains.
I genuinely can't be bothered to argue back, whatever dude if you want to be confused about where European borders are and what makes them such, you do you, just don't portray you wacky interpretation as 'the consensus'. Because like… it's so obviously not.
I genuinely can't be bothered to argue back, whatever dude if you want to be confused about where European borders are and what makes them such, you do you, just don't portray you wacky interpretation as 'the consensus'. Because like… it's so obviously not.
Never said it was "the consensus". But at least, the vague definition of its south-eastern frontier is actually a consensus.
Also, no, Emmanuel Todd's definition of Europe isn't wacky. It just makes you realize that a continent is something way more complex than what you're implying with your "geographical/natural frontiers".
Also, there are a lot of people bothered by a song contest in here.
It's just an excuse to have a little fun beyond borders and possibly find a couple of new songs or artists you might enjoy. Chillax
lol good luck chillaxing with next year's venue being fucking Israel.
We should let America participate next year since they’ll be in the region anyway.
@Monkey:
lol good luck chillaxing with next year's venue being fucking Israel.
And last year was in Kiev, Ukraine, with the Crimea business still fresh in the memory of the people.
There's always some problem, wether with the host or the act of some country or a random act of crazy.
Last year Russia participant was not allowed to enter the country and this year they refused to go because one of the acts had a same sex couple dancing.
There's always someone crashing the stage, this year was a guy calling the british media nazis, next year it will be someting else.
The festival tends to do a decent job putting aside politics, even when the audience disagrees with that attitude. Last year they chastised Salvador Sobral because he wore a shirt with reference to the refugee crisis at some press meeting.
Still, the discussion was about this year festival not next year so we can worry about that then.
So one thing i've always pondered about Eurovision and the associated national competitions. In Sweden the whole shebang has evolved into sort of a gay event, like not in the sense that it's exclusively for people who are homosexual but in that it's very embraced by the gay community and has overtime become rather associated with that sub-culture. Yet it seems to be quite popular in places that at best would be considered akward around the whole two men thing. So my ignorant little question here is how is it viewed in your various nations? Does it have the same associations with all the glitter, bright colours and theatrics and all that. Or is that just our weird national hat lol
As far as I've ever noticed, it's not particularly a gay thing in the UK. I don't think there are national competitions or anything, and I vaguely get the impression it's much less popular than in other countries.
And last year was in Kiev, Ukraine, with the Crimea business still fresh in the memory of the people.
There's always some problem, wether with the host or the act of some country or a random act of crazy.Last year Russia participant was not allowed to enter the country and this year they refused to go because one of the acts had a same sex couple dancing.
There's always someone crashing the stage, this year was a guy calling the british media nazis, next year it will be someting else.
The festival tends to do a decent job putting aside politics, even when the audience disagrees with that attitude. Last year they chastised Salvador Sobral because he wore a shirt with reference to the refugee crisis at some press meeting.Still, the discussion was about this year festival not next year so we can worry about that then.
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It wont do anything.
One year from now there will be a couple of newspaper articles and some voices trying to start some boycot, but the event is so meaningless that it will hardly gain any traction.
I could see some discussion if we were talking about Israel hosting an Euro or a Champions League final, but Eurovision? Lol.
I don't have any authority and neither has anyone. We're not talking about hard science.
Yes Australia isn't in Europe. And yes the Eurovision doesn't define what is and isn't in Europe, but that has never been my point.
Europe is an "invention". That's my point. And it's commonly agreed that its geographical frontier in the south-east is vaguely defined. How can anyone with the slightest knowledge in the domain deny that…
Seriously, why do you include islands ? If it's only geographical, then the UK, Malta, Corsica, Cyprus, Iceland and many other islands aren't part of Europe.
And lol at claiming that the Bosporus splits a whole continent in half but the English Channel doesn't for some reason.
Also, I guess Spain and Portugal aren't part of Europe because of the Pyrenees… and Italy isn't either because it's surrounded by mountains.
It is not for europe per say it is for countries within the european broadcasting zone and officially for example morocco, algeria, libya lebanon could compete if they wanted as they are in that zone. And morocco has in the past. But they are not competing while Israel is competing.
It is not for europe per say it is for countries within the european broadcasting zone and officially for example morocco, algeria, libya lebanon could compete if they wanted as they are in that zone. And morocco has in the past. But they are not competing while Israel is competing.
yeah, that's never been my point though. I've only brought up the topic about what Europe is because someone was claiming that x and y countries weren't in Europe.
And last year was in Kiev, Ukraine, with the Crimea business still fresh in the memory of the people.
There's always some problem, wether with the host or the act of some country or a random act of crazy.Last year Russia participant was not allowed to enter the country and this year they refused to go because one of the acts had a same sex couple dancing.
There's always someone crashing the stage, this year was a guy calling the british media nazis, next year it will be someting else.
The festival tends to do a decent job putting aside politics, even when the audience disagrees with that attitude. Last year they chastised Salvador Sobral because he wore a shirt with reference to the refugee crisis at some press meeting.Still, the discussion was about this year festival not next year so we can worry about that then.
If I didn't know better I'd say you're extremely unfamiliar with Israel.
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It wont do anything.One year from now there will be a couple of newspaper articles and some voices trying to start some boycot, but the event is so meaningless that it will hardly gain any traction.
I could see some discussion if we were talking about Israel hosting an Euro or a Champions League final, but Eurovision? Lol.
I just saw an article saying the mayor from Dublin just said Irland should boycot next year.
I image it will be more of the same with maybe half a dozen or dozen countries boycoting the event in the end. That still leaves at least 30 countries and the show goes on. The follwoing year it will be a different country hosting and those countries come back.
@Monkey:
If I didn't know better I'd say you're extremely unfamiliar with Israel.
It's not my best subject, that's for sure, but I don't know what you think is the best or worst case scenario here so this isn't really a discussion. You're just throwing shade on me.
They're not in ruins, they have plenty of of shows going on there year round, this one is just bigger. I expect some news headlines this follwing year, with some countries boycoting, some discussions about human rights, nothing really getting acomplished and the festival going on. Not WW3 level stuff, just diplomatic side eye.
What are your thoughs on what can/will happen exactly?
I just saw an article saying the mayor from Dublin just said Irland should boycot next year.
I image it will be more of the same with maybe half a dozen or dozen countries boycoting the event in the end. That still leaves at least 30 countries and the show goes on. The follwoing year it will be a different country hosting and those countries come back.It's not my best subject, that's for sure, but I don't know what you think is the best or worst case scenario here so this isn't really a discussion. You're just throwing shade on me.
They're not in ruins, they have plenty of of shows going on there year round, this one is just bigger. I expect some news headlines this follwing year, with some countries boycoting, some discussions about human rights, nothing really getting acomplished and the festival going on. Not WW3 level stuff, just diplomatic side eye.
What are your thoughs on what can/will happen exactly?
They've at least hosted a Basquetball Euroleague final four once and that's usually between 10000 and 15000 people attending, depending on the venue.
I can't speak for other countries, but I can't see any kind of boycott attempt working in Portugal.
As far as I've ever noticed, it's not particularly a gay thing in the UK. I don't think there are national competitions or anything, and I vaguely get the impression it's much less popular than in other countries.
Are you kidding lol? It'd definitely a gay thing in the UK. Graham Norton is the guy who hosts it!
Statistically, I think that it's a viagra bot.
I don't think there's any Uzbeki people named Steven.
Given that translators say it's something about "choosing a boiler for your heater", I'm calling that a bot.
Welp atleast it's sort of gay in the UK, a little on the fence. Pretty gay in the Netherlands and seemingly not very gay at all in Portugal. Probably not gay in the slightest in Russia. What a pointless yet curious distinction in the Euro that makes up the Eurovision. But our national competition is probably the gayest by far, and that goes on for like 6 weeks leading up to the grand finale on who gets sent to Eurovision. We might be taking it a bit overboard in general what with the professional jury system and pre-pre-pre tryouts on a national stage and what not though.
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