What in blazes was going on with the "bigger than Watergate" crew? You might try and pull that off after the memo when you're getting ready to fire Rosenstein and feigning some even larger shadowy conspiracy, but acting like the content in the memo itself was bigger than Watergate? Just playing yourselves.
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Hang in there, Kierkegaard.
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What in blazes was going on with the "bigger than Watergate" crew? You might try and pull that off after the memo when you're getting ready to fire Rosenstein and feigning some even larger shadowy conspiracy, but acting like the content in the memo itself was bigger than Watergate? Just playing yourselves.
I think some Reps were talking about how it was bigger than what started the American Revolution.
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Well, the memo's a flop. Time to turn their attention to ginning up a war in Korea for a poll bump.
White House National Security Council senior director for Asian affairs Matthew Pottinger was reported as saying in a recent closed-door meeting with US experts on Korean Peninsula issues that a limited strike on the North “might help in the midterm elections."
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_editorial/830615.html
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Well, the memo's a flop. Time to turn their attention to ginning up a war in Korea for a poll bump.
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_editorial/830615.html
Somehow this reminds me of this (see 2:30 and onwards):
Trump is this world's Jon Trunicht…
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The Dow closed down over 600 points on Trump’s release of Nunes memo. Not because of just that, it's been dropping all week but, like 1,000 for the week…
Some historical perspective: only once while Obama was in office did Dow plunge that much and that was due to Brexit.
It happened 6 times under Bush... one of those was a week after 9/11, and four were at the end of 2008 when we we plummeting into a recession.
Also, those lovely tax cuts are already wrecking things, we're wracking up debt so much faster we're already going to hit the debt ceiling a month faster,(just a month in!) and that is likely to increase as time goes on.
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I hear he's since deleted this tweet.
Also:
The U.S. government is set to borrow nearly $1 trillion this year, an 84 percent jump from last year
An excerpt:
It was another crazy news week, so it's understandable if you missed a small but important announcement from the Treasury Department: The federal government is on track to borrow nearly $1 trillion this fiscal year — Trump's first full year in charge of the budget.
That's almost double what the government borrowed in fiscal year 2017.
Here are the exact figures: The U.S. Treasury expects to borrow $955 billion this fiscal year, according to a documents released Wednesday. It's the highest amount of borrowing in six years, and a big jump from the $519 billion the federal government borrowed last year.
Treasury mainly attributed the increase to the “fiscal outlook.” The Congressional Budget Office was more blunt. In a report this week, the CBO said tax receipts are going to be lower because of the new tax law.
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Hey, a Costco membership is nothing to sneer at; people are going to need to stockpile supplies to survive this administration.
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You know your desperate tactic is bad when people are making memes out of it.
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Yo memo so badly written Uwe Boll wouldn't film it.dc
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I really have to laugh about old sayings about people getting more conservative with age and exposure to adult life…
Because every passing year I feel more left wing economically speaking, and boy howdy does going ever deeper into the real world have a lot to do with that.An extra 1.50 a week. Golly!!
Suck a huge cock Ryan.
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$1.50 a week is easily the biggest raise a teacher has gotten because of Republicans in decades though.
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This lady is a secretary, which I don't mean to badmouth. But than again if a school secretary thinks that's good money while working alongside people who routinely have to dip into their own pockets for basic supplies well screw her anyway.
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The Supreme Court rejected an emergency appeal to block a court ordered redrawing of Pennsylvania's ridiculously gerrymandered districts. When even Samuel Alito thinks the GOP's case is too weak to go to bat for them, it's insanely bad. The legislature has until Friday to draw districts that pass the Governor's standards; if that doesn't happen, the State Supreme Court will do it.
@Monkey:
This lady is a secretary, which I don't mean to badmouth. But than again if a school secretary thinks that's good money while working alongside people who routinely have to dip into their own pockets for basic supplies well screw her anyway.
That's assuming that Ryan was even being honest about it in the first place and didn't either make it up or that he missed any sarcastic element of what was said. Since he's both a proven liar and idiot, each is credible.
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Also Dodge ran a horrendously inappropriate Super Bowl ad using clips taken out of context from a MLK speech. The ad has been redubbed with the speech in context.
Complicating things since 2009.
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The Supreme Court rejected an emergency appeal to block a court ordered redrawing of Pennsylvania's ridiculously gerrymandered districts. When even Samuel Alito thinks the GOP's case is too weak to go to bat for them, it's insanely bad. The legislature has until Friday to draw districts that pass the Governor's standards; if that doesn't happen, the State Supreme Court will do it.
I'm assuming that Roberts was the one who was all for the appeal. Shelby County is his baby, after all.
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Trump calling Democrats enemies of the people because they didn't clap for him at the SotU: "You’re up there, you’ve got half the room going totally crazy wild, they loved everything, they want to do something great for our country. And you have the other side even on positive news, really positive news like that, they were like death and un-American. Un-American. Somebody said treasonous. I mean, yeah, I guess, why not. Can we call that treason? Why not. I mean they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much. But you look at that and it’s really very, very sad."
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Did someone say aspiring despot?
In other news, the stock market is probably going to close with its biggest gross loss ever today. It's not really Trump's fault but given all his bragging it's likely to reflect poorly on him anyway.
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Did someone say aspiring despot?
In other news, the stock market is probably going to close with its biggest gross loss ever today. It's not really Trump's fault but given all his bragging it's likely to reflect poorly on him anyway.
Hey, he wanted to take credit for it being high (thanks to Obama policies) he has to take credit for it dropping too.
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average was merely a campaign volunteer and had no actual role in the Administration.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Democrat loser Dow Jones drops another 1000 points after winning RIGGED election against Roy Moore! Allows slaughter in the streets by illegal immigrants! #MAGA
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@MDL:
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You know, I've often said that Trump is everything Clinton and Obama were only ever accused of being.
I'm only now realizing it's more like he's everything he's ever accused Clinton and Obama of being.
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Nostrodumbass is pretty impressive with his fortune teling.
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average was merely a campaign volunteer and had no actual role in the Administration.
It worked hard but didn't embrace him or what he stands for.
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Waldorf: You know Statler, after watching the last one thousand episodes of One Piece, I think I've come to a conclusion.
Statler: No you haven't.
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
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Constitutional crisis in Pennsylvania:
The memorandum can be read in full here.
Note that the impeachment process wouldn't have to be successful for them to get what they want here since state law would prevent those judges from participating in any court business while they were undergoing impeachment.
So any redistricting would be done solely by the Republican judges.
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@Monkey:
I really have to laugh about old sayings about people getting more conservative with age and exposure to adult life…
Because every passing year I feel more left wing economically speaking, and boy howdy does going ever deeper into the real world have a lot to do with that.An extra 1.50 a week. Golly!!
Suck a huge cock Ryan.
I don't consider myself old enough to really measure it, but yeah. I've also gotten more left as I've gotten older.
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@Monkey:
I really have to laugh about old sayings about people getting more conservative with age and exposure to adult life…
That may have been more true a couple decades ago. Nowadays "Conservative" is basically equating to "horrible racist" and "stay stuck a hundred years in the past" rather than what it once was long ago with ideals about the military or taxes of not moving forward too fast,
When you're young everything is fresh and new and everything seems like a potentially good idea, but once you've been around the block a few times you're not as eager to jump at every possible future advance you see, maybe? but that works way less in a world evolving through the internet at an accelarated rate faster that social norms used to evolve.
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The idea that progressivism is the sole land of youthful idealism is also quite silly when conservatives are such big fans of the ultimate naive idealism, libertarianism.
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In a special election to fill a seat vacated by when the incumbent ran for another position, Democrats have flipped a Missouri State House seat in a district Il Douche won by 28%.
They lost another district race in Missouri by 5% that Trump won last November by 59%.
The GOP has also shifted into blind panic mode in Pennsylvania where they're outspending Democrats 17-1 in an attempt to hold onto a seat where Trump won by nineteen points.
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Guess Scott Walker isn't going to hold those special elections he's constitutionally obligated to hold anytime soon.
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It's funny how Conservatives hates Liberals because they are socialist communist, yet Donald Trump wants to do a military parade. Republicans are often seen as good guys yet they intend to control everything just like the Democrats would do.
I just can't stand conspiracy nuts running around, hugging Trump like Jesus while they attack George Soros and the Rothschild.Does this not tell us we really need to reboot both parties?
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@joekido:
It's funny how Conservatives hates Liberals because they are socialist communist, yet Donald Trump wants to do a military parade. Republicans are often seen as good guys yet they intend to control everything just like the Democrats would do.
I just can't stand conspiracy nuts running around, hugging Trump like Jesus while they attack George Soros and the Rothschild.Does this not tell us we really need to reboot both parties?
I mean it's ridiculous on so many levels.
They want to have a military parade to honor those serving, swear up-and-down how the police can never do any harm….and then attack the FBI and CIA regularly because those are the bad law enforcement agencies, as opposed to the police and military that are the good guys that deserve a parade.
You can't just attack incredibly important law enforcement and intelligence vital to homeland security, and then turn around and say "I support law enforcement. Just don't break the law and you'll be fine! Black on black crime, no officer is in the wrong! Except if they work for the FBI, then they are a deepstate agent".
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RIP Any idea of a "Democrat Wave" happening now.
Get ready for 7+ Years of GOP government control.
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RIP Any idea of a "Democrat Wave" happening now.
Get ready for 7+ Years of GOP government control.
Yeah ok thread.
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RIP Any idea of a "Democrat Wave" happening now.
Get ready for 7+ Years of GOP government control.
Why? As MK pointed out, Dems are doing really well in special elections across the country, including in areas Trump carried heavily.
The optics coming out of Washington are absolutely killing the GOP. While there's infighting in both parties and both are failing to send out a coherent message, the GOP is getting the brunt of public disapproval since they control all three branches of the government in a climate of policy paralysis. I'm pretty certain that the Democrats should be able to spin even this budget compromise in a light that favours them. Then again, the DNC manages to fill no one with any confidence.
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As long as Democrats don't cave on DACA, a budget deal is probably fine. They do want the government open, after all.
In other news, White House Staff Secretary Rob Porter has resigned over domestic abuse allegations from his ex-wives.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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As this whole Government Shutdown saga has been playing out, the Dems have been plunging in the polls.
As long as Democrats don't cave on DACA, a budget deal is probably fine. They do want the government open, after all.
That's the problem. Caving on DACA is exactly what they did.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt last time because they still had a card in their hand to play to fight for DACA, that being the threat of another government shutdown tomorrow. They just gave away that card and didn't get anything tangible for it. Instead, all they got was another promise from Paul Ryan that they'll definitely for suresies bring DACA up for a vote soon and they promise it's definitely going to happen, cross their heart and hope to die.
They just failed hard. Very hard.
It's not a stretch to say this is probably going to hurt them. They dropped 5 points the last time they got flack for "Throwing DREAMers under the bus" and that time they still had that aforementioned card up their sleeve to try to play ball on DACA.
Now they don't.
This time they actually DID throw DREAMers under the bus and it is going to hit them hard.
Couple that with the fact that we've been here before.
"Oh, Hillary's poll numbers are up so high! Nobody is dumb enough to vote for Trump! Hillary's definitely going to win" - The tone of this thread in October 2016
My confidence isn't exactly high here.
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I thought DACA was still in play on all this. Has something changed in the last few days or are you referring to the original funding bill deal last month?
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My theory on why the polls are tightening is mostly because of non-voters being enamoured with Trump's SotU speech and their $1.50 pay raise. Because polls don't take into account voting intentions and enthusiasm, which is why Democrats have been consistently underpolled this election cycle.
It's still bad that 40% of the electorate still likes the GOP though.
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I thought DACA was still in play on all this. Has something changed in the last few days or are you referring to the original funding bill deal last month?
They JUST came to an "Agreement" today.
Basically, the budget battle is over. Republicans get most, but not everything they want, and the only "Progress" that got made on DACA is another weak promise from Paul Ryan that they promise to definitely debate and talk about it and maybe vote on it. It's basically the same consolation prize they got from McConell in the House back during the previous "Shutdown Crisis".
The reason this is basically throwing DREAMers under the bus is that the threat of a Government shutdown was the one thing the Democrats had that they could use as leverage in these discussions to make the Republicans actually hold the debates and the talks and the votes. They could have held their feet to the fire with it, maybe even enticed some Republicans to cross the isle and vote with them on DACA just to get this over with so they can move onto preventing another government shutdown.
This deal takes that very powerful bargaining chip away from them without guaranteeing anything. There is nothing really holding either Ryan or McConell to their word on this. They can just let the DACA deadline run out in March now and there's nothing to stop them whatsoever.
They actually DID throw DREAMers under the bus this time, and there's really no room to defend them this time.
It's funny, I've been rewatching Scrubs lately and aside from catching more homophobic and transphobic jokes than I remember being in this show, I also noticed that Kelso and Ted (at least in the early seasons before any real character development happened) are perfect personifications of our two Political Parties.
Kelso is The Republican Party. He's old and only cares about money, and therefore Rich people. Based on the way he talks about his Wife and Son, he's fairly sexist and homophobic and he constantly does cartoonishly evil things seemingly for the sake of being evil.
Ted meanwhile is a pretty nice guy who disagrees with Kelso on a lot and dislikes a lot of the stuff he does but is a spineless wimp who won't stand up for himself or anything he believes in.
I mean seriously, the Ted and Kelso part at the end of this is basically what just happened with DACA in a nutshell:
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My theory on why the polls are tightening is mostly because of non-voters being enamoured with Trump's SotU speech and their $1.50 pay raise. Because polls don't take into account voting intentions and enthusiasm, which is why Democrats have been consistently underpolled this election cycle.
If you'll look closely at the tracker on fivethirtyeight, you'll notice that a single poll is dragging down Democratic numbers. Subtract that and it's a seven point spread.
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I've just heard that Pelosi just passed the seven hour mark in a speech in the House (a new record) defending DACA.
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The Democrats don't have the spines to stand up to Republicans and bear the consequences of it and would rather let them roll over them since the country is being held hostage over their impudence.
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Part of the left wing not having a spine is chicken little apocalypse talk at every turn.
