Do you seriously believe that most conservatives are against religious freedom, marijuana legalization and infrastructure?
Yes.
She…her...
I'm a dude, dude.
Anyway, you're so dangerously, infuriatingly wrong about all of this. Not engaging anymore because it's a complete waste of time. Only wish I realized that sooner.
I just… is it completely impossible to have a discussion about how people outside of the government act without someone getting offended because "the right has bigots in power"?
You are more guilty of this behavior than anyone else in this thread. Have you ever stopped to think, "wow, maybe I'm wrong to equivocate between racism against minorities that has existed in this country since its inception and the feeling of white guilt…"? Is it completely impossible to have a discussion about how people outside of the government act without someone (specifically RoboBlue) getting offended because "bigotry can go both ways"?
Also, you keep using the term "institutionalized bigotry", but I'm not convinced that you actually know what it means. If you think that the awareness that racism directed against minorities exists in our society and how it specifically only impacts whites in a positive way is somehow racist against white people, and is itself a kind of institutionalized bigotry, then I'm afraid you are sorely misguided or worse.
It's funny that Louis still thinks that tariff is coming for manufacturers that go overseas. We saw this week that Trump gives those manufacturers a tax cut.
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Obama created 170k new jobs this month, pushing employment down to 4.6% (a number European governments would dream of). Trump creates 1000 jobs by gifting corporations money. Media fawns over the latter.
You know Robo. For as much as you sa we can make progress by having polite discussion. You yourself are the type of person that proves how often the conversation goes nowhere. You're very stubborn about not really absorbing what we've been saying for pages for months. It's extremely aggravating most days.
Obama created 170k new jobs this month, pushing employment down to 4.6% (a number European governments would dream of). Trump creates 1000 jobs by gifting corporations money. Media fawns over the latter.
He only "saved" 800 (well, Mike Pence did with a state-funded bribe. also round up to nearest thousand because what do numbers matter anyway?), and the remaining 1200 went to Mexico, as planned. We live in a world where a 40% score is astounding success!
Another takeaway is that this is the traveling circus model of governance we're going to be seeing. Pence and the Sith Lords will create doomsday legislation in Washington while Trump goes on a road show, stopping in small towns to give speeches and sell snake oil tonic to thunderous applause from the rubes he's conning. All that talk about "the Trump voters are in for a rude awakening when they realize he won't fulfill promises he made" is too optimistic. These are people who think his shit smells like roses and accept his word as gospel, because to even entertain the thought than he's duped them into voting an incompetent garbage person into power is too upsetting to handle. Logic and facts are irrelevant when they believe his tweets over literally any credible news source.
It's almost like his followers don't care about an improved economy or more jobs or fighting corruption and they voted for him because of some other reason. Hmmm I wonder what it could be…
Even more annoying is Trump actively not going to all the security briefings. Pence has because he understands the job. But I don't get why anyone among the Dems and Republicans tolerate this behavior. They neee to get him in line.
I poke my head in every once in awhile to see how things are going / notice who's breathing (hi, CCC!). And I'm torn between being bemused and dismayed that this thread has elevated political discourse compared to what I am used to.
I don't comment much, because this year has been so fraying on my patience & nerves, and what a unified Republican Gov't + truly the worst possible presidential cabinet imaginable (including a neo-nazi as his CHIEF STRATEGIST!) + the racism/xenophobia/bigotry from those who feel empowered by Trump's dogwhistles truly, deeply scare me on a primal level. A few weeks ago one of my friends had a gun flashed at her outside a supermarket. "You fags aren't safe anymore," he said. So I'm not interested in the "wait and see" perspective right now.
Trump's Nat'l Security Advisor Michael Flynn has said "fear of muslims is rational" & "diversity is white genocide" and is extremely anti-islamist & militaristic. Steve Bannon, his chief strategist is a neo-nazi, and the co-founder of Breitbart, the prefered media outlet of white supremacists (whose climate change denial the House-fucking-Science committee just retweeted yesterday, which should alarm anybody)! Trump's Treasury pick, Steve Mnuchin made millions after his bank foreclosed on homeowners. Betsy DeVos, his nomination for Education Secretary, has family ties to both Amway & Blackwater and funds the Heritage Foundation, as well as extremely strict "Christian values" super PACs & anti-union friendly voucher based / charter based education initiatives which should alarm Public education advocates & teachers everywhere. Trump's pick for CIA Director is Rep. Mike Pompeio, a Koch-funded Tea Partier who thinks all impediments to surveilling citizens should be removed, opposes closing Guantanimo Bay, & opposes abortion under any circumstance, including rape. Then there's Jeff Sessions for Attorney General, who is one of the most aggressively anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, anti-muslim conservatives in the Senate, and a furious opponent of Civil Rights–so nakedly racist it barred him from getting a federal judgeship during Ronald Reagan's administration. Oh, and there's his VP Mike Pence, who put a woman in jail for having a miscarriage. And there's Reince Priebus. And various other billionaires. It really paints a picture of who will be calling the shots in the White House. And that's just TRUMP's people. Not even the Republican leaders who were already terrible to begin with.
This government will be so punishing to millions of Americans. The only difference is, the half of them who voted for him don't know it yet.
Edited for more nightmare fuel.
There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.
(hi, CCC!)
Hello! Barely breathing, honestly.
Always hoping you'll pop in with a word or two ;)
This government will be so punishing to millions of Americans. The only difference is, the half of them who voted for him don't know it yet.
The half that do know are fine with it because they're ratfuckers, and the half that don't just think it'll never happen to them. And even once they do know, they won't give a shit. It's the old crab bucket theory in action :P
You pointed out all politician's give lip-service, more or less playing it off like Donald Trump is one of them…...even though he isn't, never was, and despite his being elected never will be. He'll just be "that guy 45".
I have to disagree, he holds the highest political office in the country. That makes him a politician.
I don't know what's more strange the fact you think he'll (and congress) will actually do this or the fact that something about spending that much on our infastructure is setting off alarm bells
in my head
Like I said, I'm optimistic. If the man is going to be my president, then I want to see him succeed at things that are going to fuel job creation and revitalize our country's economy. Rooting against someone just because you dislike them doesn't make any sense if some of the ideas they are putting forward are good ones. The sensible approach here is to encourage policies and behavior that benefits America while also making it clear that we will protest anything that isn't in accordance with American values.
The TPP deal is a divisive one, and I can easily see Trump reneging on the second promise
especially since it might negatively impact his friends.
As a businessman myself, it's a pretty open and shut case for me. I hate it, and I'm glad it's going away. The American labor force should not have to compete with other countries for their jobs, nor should another countries labor force have to compete wit Americans to keep their jobs.
Obama drove it up due in no short part to Bush and the financial collapse.
Translation:
k.
No doubt Obama inherited a bad situation, but hasn't taking nearly enough initiative to make things better. He's done very little bloodletting.
…..I'd take this bit seriously if you weren't pretty much ignoring the fact that Trump and some of his cabinet along with a good portion of congress are taking money from corporate donors
and special interests, you do know this right?Or are we going to pretend most democrats like Republicans are against gun control or financial reform because they're being paid by the NRA and Corporations to do so?
Right, so what's the difference between Hillary and Trump in this regard? The deficit is likely to skyrocket no matter who potus is.
Making a promise and actually doing something are two different things, Trump said he bring back glass-steagal along with keeping parts of the ACA **do we have any reason to believe
he'll actually do this…..**especially given how he lies and flip-flops?To say nothing of the fact that with Republicans controlling congress neither of these two thingsare likely to happen anyway.
Right, which is why that now that he's our president we have to hold him accountable, remain optimistic and encourage him to deliver on the things he's said that will actually benefit American citizens.
Which he and republicans intend to do by either gutting or outright repealing the law.
How about we wait and see what the Trump administration actually proposes?
Which he very likely won't.
How do you know?
Part of it sucking has to do with things like certain states refusing to expand coverage the otherpart has to do with lack of the single payer option. You're putting an awful lot of blind faith into
people who have gone out of their way to undermine the law at every step and who have tried multiple times to repeal it. Not because it's a bad law mind you they just don't like the fact that t helps people….along with them taking money from special interests to talk shit about it.
Optimism is not blind faith. It's giving him a fair chance to prove that he has my best interests at heart. The issues with the ACA directly impact me, repealing it and replacing it with something inferior or nothing directly impacts me, a lapse in coverage for even a single day directly impacts me. So you can bet I'll be holding him accountable to his promises thus far. Why wouldn't I want him to succeed at making it better or replacing it with something that isn't such a clusterfuck?
No, you're also in no position to argue this with your whining and insinuations about how bad Hillary was or would've been.
Huh? :wassat:
Sure I am.
Had Hillary won the election I'd be hoping for her success as well. I want whoever my president is to work for me, whether I voted for them or not.
Trump also vowed to put an end to cronyism and mitigate the influence of certain entities in ourpolitics, stop buying into his bullshit.
Examples?
We did nothing to strain our relationships with Russia or Pakistan. And Trump already looks like he's going to fuck up our improving relationships with Iran, Cuba, & along with India.
Besides drone strikes you mean? Bush and Obama have killed hundreds of civilians over the years.
You know Robo. For as much as you sa we can make progress by having polite discussion. You yourself are the type of person that proves how often the conversation goes nowhere. You're very stubborn about not really absorbing what we've been saying for pages for months. It's extremely aggravating most days.
Oh, the irony… 
Robo has made some fantastic points over the past few months. It's just that some people have a difficult time setting their personal feelings and bias aside to have a genuinely productive discussion about the issues. More than anything else, that's why most of these conversations go nowhere. If AP (or at least this thread) was less of a "safe space" and respected free speech a little more instead of catering to liberal bias, I think we could have some really honest discussions.
lol republicans are not going to do anything about the deficit the next 4 years. They only care about it when a Democrat is in power. Tax cuts and foreign adventures are not going to fix the deficit.
I have to disagree, he holds the highest political office in the country. That makes him a politician.
Like I said, I'm optimistic. If the man is going to be my president, then I want to see him succeed at things that are going to fuel job creation and revitalize our country's economy. Rooting against someone just because you dislike them doesn't make any sense if some of the ideas they are putting forward are good ones. The sensible approach here is to encourage policies and behavior that benefits America while also making it clear that we will protest anything that isn't in accordance with American values.
As a businessman myself, it's a pretty open and shut case for me. I hate it, and I'm glad it's going away. The American labor force should not have to compete with other countries for their jobs, nor should another countries labor force have to compete wit Americans to keep their jobs.
Translation:
- If a republican drives the deficit up, it's the Republicans fault.
- If a democrat drives the deficit up, it's the Republicans fault.
k.
No doubt Obama inherited a bad situation, but hasn't taking nearly enough initiative to make things better. He's done very little bloodletting.
Right, so what's the difference between Hillary and Trump in this regard? The deficit is likely to skyrocket no matter who potus is.
Right, which is why that now that he's our president we have to hold him accountable, remain optimistic and encourage him to deliver on the things he's said that will actually benefit American citizens.
How about we wait and see what the Trump administration actually proposes?
How do you know?
Optimism is not blind faith. It's giving him a fair chance to prove that he has my best interests at heart. The issues with the ACA directly impact me, repealing it and replacing it with something inferior or nothing directly impacts me, a lapse in coverage for even a single day directly impacts me. So you can bet I'll be holding him accountable to his promises thus far. Why wouldn't I want him to succeed at making it better or replacing it with something that isn't such a clusterfuck?
Huh? :wassat:
Sure I am.
Had Hillary won the election I'd be hoping for her success as well. I want whoever my president is to work for me, whether I voted for them or not.
Examples?
Besides drone strikes you mean? Bush and Obama have killed hundreds of civilians over the years.
Oh, the irony…
Robo has made some fantastic points over the past few months. It's just that some people have a difficult time setting their personal feelings and bias aside to have a genuinely productive discussion about the issues. More than anything else, that's why most of these conversations go nowhere. If AP (or at least this thread) was less of a "safe space" and respected free speech a little more instead of catering to liberal bias, I think we could have some really honest discussions.
Robo and you have not really made that many great points. You're ignoring a lot of evidence in the face of down playing what's actually happening. And what has happened before. Of courseI wouldn't want the president to fail. But he has introduced horrible initiatives and war crimes as great ideas. Those ideas need to fail hard and fast. Also he has no idea what he's doing. He's actively ignoring the people who are supposed to help and guide him because he's not really a politician. He's got no law degree and no mba. Nothing that shows he has an inkling about laws, etiquette and protocols. He just tried to appoint a retired recently general. Which isn't possible due to the time frame of when he left. He's being too free with his words beyween two countries that have nuclear capability that have a very tense relationship. He's not even in office and he's already making the world look sideways at the US.
The problem is you and Robo appear to be removed from people who actually are hurt most by this administration or aren't very aware of what people are going through. As much as people say the rust belt was hurting and that's why we lost, because we didn't listen to their needs. Their needs were unfortunately mostly archaic in that we don't use coal heavily because the technology changed. Programs were tried to get reinstated to help them but politicians created this horrid narrative that progressives want to abolish everything they love which isn't true. But people need to adapt. They need to not look down on higher education and science. Facts should not be treated like opinions. This anti intellectualism is damning us. Lack of empathy is destroying us.
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/02/504146253/5-fact-checks-from-trumps-cincinnati-thank-you-tour-kick-off
Just received a call from Humana (Obamacare). My insurance package is being downgraded from platinum to silver next year and the rate is going UP. Way to go Obamacare!
Of course, since I can't allow that to happen, I'll have to purchase an even more expensive plan sometime in the next two weeks to maintain "quality" (and I use that word loosely) coverage. Fucking sasuga.
Not even president yet and already risking a diplomatic dispute with China.
I love how people were all "War hawk Hillary is going to start a war with Russia!"
Trump: Hold my beer. * attempts to jump starts multiple wars."
I love how people were all "War hawk Hillary is going to start a war with Russia!"
Trump: Hold my beer. * attempts to jump starts multiple wars."
I'll never understand how Hillary became the warhawk in the election narrative, when Trump said he'd bomb the hell out of ISIS, attack families of terrorists and would nuke Europe if neccesary.
Yeah, my condolences Louis. The Republican-forced "compromise" of non-single-payer really ACA isn't great, huh. If only Obama had passed the law he really wanted to.
I mean, my girlfriend's mother's dog has better insurance than me with my Catastrophic (TM) plan (the fucking Boston terrier gets two physicals per year! I get…a flu shot). At least millions of otherwise uninsured people with dire preexisting conditions don't die, though. That's what gets me through the day and helps me write that check every month.
If you're holding your breath for Trump to come up with anything remotely better, though...you'll probably need an iron lung...that probably won't be covered by your plan.
Just received a call from Humana (Obamacare). My insurance package is being downgraded from platinum to silver next year and the rate is going UP. Way to go Obamacare!
My insurance got cancelled outright because the company is pulling out of the area; this is entirely because a Republican dominated Supreme Court decided to throw out precedent and let states opt out of the Medicaid expansion, which, of course, Tennessee, which is dominated by Republicans, did. So local insurers wound up covering a lot of people who should be covered under Medicaid instead and "losing" money on it (in the sense that their actual profits didn't match their projected ones). I'm switching to a different company, but will have to pay more since state regulators (guess which party they belong to) just approve any rate hikes the insurance companies ask for.
But I'm sure that cancelling Obamacare outright or just removing all of the cost controls while retaining the popular parts will fix it.
I'm not surprised about Trump spouting totally different things about Pakistan. He really has the worst memory and there's always proof.
Trump's team have issues a clarification regarding this and countered the Pakistani version
personally the pakistani account seems more likely to me knowing the way trump speaks.most probably,he bit off more than he chewed and he didn't realize the implications of his words,i.e..being construed as saying he will help solve Kashmir for Pakistan. he and his team probably backtracked to save face.
frankly i think he's gonna lean more on india,considering he actually held an event by some Indian(well,more accurately hindu)groups and they have supposedly even made large donations to his campaign.and of course "hard stance" on terrorism and the general wariness on pakistan in Rupublican circles will probably also effect things and his stance on Pakistan will maybe tougher
Not even president yet and already risking a diplomatic dispute with China.
Every military and foreign policy analyst just shit themselves.
All I was alluding to is that it's silly to criticize Trump for being optimistic about his intent to strengthen relations with a country we currently have tensions with just because of some tweets he made nearly five years ago before he was a politician and while Pakistan had a different leader.
So you're saying you don't understand what Trump was saying in his tweets, and are insisting still on a factoid meaning something based off nothing (the shift of prime minister).
Also asserting the US relationship with Pakistan is defined by tensions, which it is not.
Also, I've never "invented" any facts. Just because you might not like what I have to say sometimes doesn't make the points any less valid. If this is something that bothers you, then I would suggest that you elect to use the ignore function to avoid any further triggering. Just a friendly and totally non passive-aggressive suggestion.
Based on absolutely nothing you asserted America was mostly rural in population.
China may overlook the Taiwan thing since Trump has done them such a massive favor in deciding to pull out of TPP while criticizing Il Douche would probably make him just go right back to thinking we need to join TPP.
The next four years will basically boil down to Trump slavishly rewarding anybody who praises him while trying to dick over anybody who doesn't.
@CCC:
Hello! Barely breathing, honestly.
Always hoping you'll pop in with a word or two ;)
The half that do know are fine with it because they're ratfuckers, and the half that don't just think it'll never happen to them. And even once they do know, they won't give a shit. It's the old crab bucket theory in action :P
Its too bad Trump won't be reviving the long dead anti-Irish/Italian/Polish racism. Because there are legions of shitty people around here who deserve this same bucket of cold water, but are far too mainstream white demographically these days to get it.
The literal last time we had a nativist racist political surge their grandparents and great-grandparents were the targets. But they're first in line to burn the cross today.
Like say ….Steve Bannon his fucking self. A noted fenian-taig-mick.
People should bombard him with Irish racism on twitter or some shit, rock his mainstreamed sense of comfort in even the slightest way.
Buy him plane tickets and an escort to the worst Protestant bar in Belfast, throw him inside with a tri-color and papal tiara.
These people make me sickest of all.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/trumpgrets?src=hash
! @Louis-1988:
! > I have to disagree, he holds the highest political office in the country. That makes him a politician.
! Most politicians don't leave the bulk of their work to their second in command, because they have no experience in…..well politics. Which is what Trump will likely be doing.
! @Louis-1988:
! > Like I said, I'm optimistic. If the man is going to be my president, then I want to see him succeed at things that are going to fuel job creation and revitalize our country's economy.
! There's such a thing as being optimistic and there's such a thing as being naive…....you're the doing the latter not the former. Even with various economists pretty much arguing that Trump's policies will drive up the deficit and lead to job losses you're still willing to give a guy, whose declared bankruptcy multiple times & pissed away nearly a billion dollars of his own money back in the 90's a chance for no other reason than, "he might not be that bad, eventhough I have no legit reason to believe he won't fail".
! @Louis-1988:
! > Rooting against someone just because you dislike them doesn't make any sense if some of the ideas they are putting forward are good ones.
! So basically you're arguing that because "some" of Trump's policies are good that somehow disregards that the bulk of his platform is awful?
! …...This is a stupid argument.
! @Louis-1988:
! > The sensible approach here is to encourage policies and behavior that benefits America
! So you agree that trying to build a wall on the Mexican border, giving tax breaks to the rich, appointing a conservative to the SCOTUS, trying to restrict the media, cozying up to the Russians, easing regulations, appointing establishment Republicans to cabinet positions, engaging in petty Twitter fights,killing the ACA, and supporting various measures that will drive up our debt and unemployment, etc.
! Are bad things that far outweigh the "supposed" good parts of Trump's policies which in turn means Trump is a conman who most people should feel ashamed for believing his claims about fixing this countries problems?
! @Louis-1988:
! > while also making it clear that we will protest anything that isn't in accordance with American values.
! Hating Muslims, Hating Women, & Hating Minorites is against our values and yet Trump won in spite of those views and comically enough you think we're supposed to just casually ignore that because of unfounded beliefs on how good of a job he says he'll do…...and nothing else.
! @Louis-1988:
! > - If a republican drives the deficit up, it's the Republicans fault.
! Yes.
! @Louis-1988:
! > - If a democrat drives the deficit up, it's the Republicans fault.
! Yes especially in Obama's case if you don't want to believe that, that's on you.
! @Louis-1988:
! > No doubt Obama inherited a bad situation, but hasn't taking nearly enough initiative to make things better. He's done very little bloodletting.
! It's kind of hard to do anything when Republicans control enough seats to fillibuster anything, and then after taking control of congress have enough votes to block something…...but let's just pretend everything that didn't happen was because of Obama and democrats twiddling their thumbs and that the Republicans were completely willing to actually do good for the country and the people that elected them, as they loved to claim.
! But surely Trump and Congress are going to get the ball rolling on everything such as immigration reform, gun control reform, saving the post office, closing down Guantanamo, furthering financial reform and climate control research. We just have to believe they will even in spite of evidence against such claims
! @Louis-1988:
! > Right, so what's the difference between Hillary and Trump in this regard? The deficit is likely to skyrocket no matter who potus is.
! And yet confusingly you insist that we should give Trump a chance to fix our economy and bring record job growth despite this claim. You've likely been told this before but it bears mentioning it again, you're full of shit.
! @Louis-1988:
! > Right, which is why that now that he's our president we have to hold him accountable,
! Yes.
! @Louis-1988:
! > remain optimistic
! No especially if you're a muslim, an immigrant, a woman, a homosexual/transsexual, work for the press, have insurance under the ACA or have a job that'll likely be lost because of his policies. Please stop.
! @Louis-1988:
! > and encourage him to deliver on the things he's said
! EXCEPT HE HAS NO REASON TO DELIVER ON THE SUPPOSEDLY BENEVOLENT PART OF HIS AGENDA, AND HE'S ALREADY GONE AGAINST ONE OF THE KEY PARTS OF HIS PLATFORM, WITH SOME OF HIS CABINET PICKS. Jesus Christ how willfully ignorant can you be?
! @Louis-1988:
! > that will actually benefit American citizens.
! I went over this in the last post but the majority of his policies will do no such thing. Unless of course we're talking about himself and the rest of rich America who are not the majority in this country.
! @Louis-1988:
! > How about we wait and see what the Trump administration actually proposes?
! How about you remove yourself from this thread until your brain starts properly functioning again. Or come the 2020 election cycle.
! @Louis-1988:
! > How do you know?
! How about reading my comment two quotes back.
! @Louis-1988:
! > Optimism is not blind faith.
! Like I said before that's not optimism you're indulging in and trying to get everyone to buy into it's sheer gullibility with a dash of willful ignorance through in with a hint of bullshit.
! @Louis-1988:
! > It's giving him a fair chance to prove that he has my best interests at heart.
! Except he doesn't give a flying fudge about your interests or that of his base. Didn't we originally go over how politicians or rather candidates lie?
! You know they do that to get elected right?
! And Trump did a shit ton of that while campaigning and continues to do so even after being elected.
! @Louis-1988:
! > The issues with the ACA directly impact me, repealing it and replacing it with something inferior or nothing directly impacts me,
! But you weirdly seem to be content with the latter eventhough you realistically shouldn't be. As you mentioned supporting a repeal/repeal and replace method knowing full well the consequences of such a measure.
! @Louis-1988:
! > So you can bet I'll be holding him accountable to his promises thus far. Why wouldn't I want him to succeed at making it better or replacing it with something that isn't such a clusterfuck?
! Oh I don't know for the simple fact that
! A) A good number Republicans want a full repeal meaning taking our healthcare system back to what it was before.
B) What few ideas Republicans have drafted up for replacing the law would be worse than what we have under the ACA.
C) You don't make the law better by repealing it or gutting it, you fix it by assessing the actual problems in the law and working with congress (and the states) to fix it. But since Republicans as noted don't want that, it's not going to happen. Which means you're going to likely have no health no insurance or have to pay higher premiums if A or B happens…..which becomes a self-fulling prophecy.
! And also
! D) You have no reason whatsoever to believe that Trump and his health and human services pick won't fuck this up except that "alleged" optimism you keep insisting upon.
! @Louis-1988:
! > Had Hillary won the election I'd be hoping for her success as well.
! Which is curious as you tried to play it off like Obama and Hillary taking money from corporate and special interests somehow made them bad even while seemingly ignoring most of Congress and Trump himself being far more guilty of the same thing.
! @Louis-1988:
! > I want whoever my president is to work for me,
! Except Trump's not going to work for you how many times do you need to be told this?
! He did not run for you, he does not care about you, he only cares about himself and those willing to say nice things about him or who give him money.
! @Louis-1988:
! > Examples?
! Which?
! him appointing his friends or associates all of whom are establishment to cabinet positions or his penchant for telling bald face lies like fixing the economy by championing policies that are going to raise unemployment and the deficit?
! @Louis-1988:
! > Besides drone strikes you mean? Bush and Obama have killed hundreds of civilians over the years.
! Yeah our relationship with Pakistan is hella strained because we killed their civilians with drone strikes…....just like in Aghanistan.
@Monkey:
Its too bad Trump won't be reviving the long dead anti-Irish/Italian/Polish racism.
Give him time; I'm sure those people will piss him off sooner or later.
@Monkey:
So you're saying you don't understand what Trump was saying in his tweets, and are insisting still on a factoid meaning something based off nothing (the shift of prime minister).
Also asserting the US relationship with Pakistan is defined by tensions, which it is not.Based on absolutely nothing you asserted America was mostly rural in population.
I'm saying that peoples opinions can and often do, change.
@ the bold
Never said this, ever.
I'm saying that peoples opinions can and often do, change.
@ the bold
Never said this, ever.
I think he's referencing your stance on rural America needing more representation in the electoral to counter balance states with larger populations. Or something.
@Monkey:
You lie and deny on the level of Trump's surrogates.
The way he essentially defends Trump and gives him the benefit of the doubt he might actually be one.
@Monkey:
You lie and deny on the level of Trump's surrogates.
If you can find me the quote and what post(s) I was replying to (so we have a full context), I'll own up to the words and publicly apologize.
I presume you mean this quote.
@Louis-1988:
Those "poor little farmers in those poor little states" make up the majority of the country.
In case you can't tell, this was a sarcastic response to this quote by Nobodyman. My point being that a majority of people who don't reside in titan states voted for Trump, which is just a fact.
Look, I know those poor littler farmers and poor little states don't like getting picked on, but fuck this.
Which he went on to acknowledge himself when you attempted to put his words in my mouth.
To be fair, I'm the one who originally said "poor little farmers" and "poor little states". It was an unfair and probably inaccurate generalization, but the fact still stands that many of the small states (in terms of population) get too many votes.
The way he essentially defends Trump and gives him the benefit of the doubt he might actually be one.
Being even-handed means I'm a Trump surrogate?
Fun fact: the form of address the US uses for the president of the Republic of China is "president on Taiwan", not "president of Taiwan".
Obama arrives at State Department.
It'll be interesting to see how Christie punishes Republicans who refuse to support Trump in his re-election bid.
Being even-handed means I'm a Trump surrogate?
No insisting we give Trump a chance for literally no reason, while ignoring his lies, flip-flopping, lack of qualifications, & ties to corporate and special interests does.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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It'll be interesting to see how Christie punishes Republicans who refuse to support Trump in his re-election bid.
In unrelated news, the president has proposed an amendment stating that the RNC chair must get the president McDonald's whenever he wishes.
@Cyan:
In unrelated news, the president has proposed an amendment stating that the RNC chair must get the president McDonald's whenever he wishes.
Along with an amendment requiring that any visits to the White House by said chair must be preceded by The Truffle Shuffle.
Along with an amendment requiring that any visits to the White House by said chair must be preceded by The Truffle Shuffle.
Ah shit .
No insisting we give Trump a chance for literally no reason, while ignoring his lies, flip-flopping, lack of qualifications, & ties to corporate and special interests does.
I've given plenty of reasons. I'm sorry you don't like them.
My point being that a majority of people who don't reside in titan states voted for Trump, which is just a fact.
Yeah this post is full of immense bullshit, but I'll hone in on this nugget.
Which is a vague non-point of absolutely no fact-hood, that relies entirely on a subjective measure like what a "titan state" even is.
Its like I can already predict your moves here. The definition of titan state will align with exactly whatever makes this a "fact" statistically when you're pushed on this, no more and no less. The cut off will be exactly there at your exact convenience.
I'll be honest, as much as I clash with Sakonosolo, Bilbo, and even Dropper.
At least I can say with some certainty that they're actually engaging me and the topic.
Your posts are sleazy and absolutely lacking in good faith attempts at discussion.
Any day now Trump is going to start attacking Furries, I just know it.
I've given plenty of reasons. I'm sorry you don't like them.
It's not a simple matter of not liking him, dude has said nor done nothing to make him even slightly likeable.
Yet for whatever reason you're the one playing it off like a few of his good policies/promises, means we should somehow be more trusting and supportive of him.
Any day now Trump is going to start attacking Furries, I just know it.
His toupee might sue him for discrimination.
@Monkey:
Yeah this post is full of immense bullshit, but I'll hone in on this nugget.
Which is a vague non-point of absolutely no fact-hood, that relies entirely on a subjective measure like what a "titan state" even is.
Its like I can already predict your moves here. The definition of titan state will align with exactly whatever makes this a "fact" statistically when you're pushed on this, no more and no less. The cut off will be exactly there at your exact convenience.I'll be honest, as much as I clash with Sakonosolo, Bilbo, and even Dropper.
At least I can say with some certainty that they're actually engaging me and the topic.
Your posts are sleazy and absolutely lacking in good faith attempts at discussion.
If you subtract the the largest states in the union (NY, TX, CA) from their vote totals you end up with:
Donald Trump: 51,461,631
Hillary Clinton: 49,825,820
You can't expect to have a discussion in good faith when you're condescending and insulting towards people who have done nothing to provoke you. We've been over this before, I can't engage you about the topic if you're only interested in character attacks and twisting my words to fit your narrative. I'm just not into negativity.
It's not a simple matter of not liking him, dude has said nor done nothing to make him even slightly likeable.
Yet for whatever reason you're the one playing it off like a few of his good policies/promises, means we should somehow be more trusting and supportive of him.
More supportive his good policy propositions? Yeah, why not? Why shouldn't we support the good ideas? That doesn't mean we can't still reject and protest the bad.
If you subtract the the largest states in the union (NY, TX, CA) from their vote totals you end up with:
Donald Trump: 51,461,631
Hillary Clinton: 49,825,820
You can't expect to have a discussion in good faith when you're condescending and insulting towards people who have done nothing to provoke you. We've been over this before, I can't engage you about the topic if you're only interested in character attacks and twisting my words to fit your narrative. I'm just not into negativity.
More supportive his good policy propositions? Yeah, why not? Why shouldn't we support the good ideas? That doesn't mean we can't still reject and protest the bad.
What good policies has he presented? I ask genuinely. News does like to focus on his insane, inhumane and impossible ideas. So It may be difficult to see any valid ideas.
If you subtract the the largest states in the union (NY, TX, CA) from their vote totals you end up with:
Donald Trump: 51,461,631
Hillary Clinton: 49,825,820
And if you subtract a handful of rustbelt states it goes the other way.
If you take away 24 million of Clinton's votes in the right places and apply only 100,000 of them to three states, she wins the electoral collage (which you only need 27% of the popular vote to get.).
And if you subtract all the states with an vowel in them, you get 0 voters.
If Abraham Lincoln hadn't been shot he'd be over 200 years old now.
Wombats are a species of mammal.
What the hell is your point?
You can't expect to have a discussion in good faith when you're condescending and insulting towards people who have done nothing to provoke you.
YOU have been a condescending and insulting muppet towards everyone, have refused to even participate in actual debate while clinging to strawmen, and have been banned from this thread twice. Pot, kettle.
If you subtract the places where people actually fucking live, you will see that the orange gibbon actually won the election and furthermore
If you subtract the the largest states in the union (NY, TX, CA) from their vote totals you end up with:
Donald Trump: 51,461,631
Hillary Clinton: 49,825,820
Florida is the third most populous state, not New York, so yes how convenient for you to subtract New York.
Also on what basis is "top three" the cut off.
Heck what are you even attempting here.
Your whole lousy argument is trying to argue that we need to marginalize coastal population centers. Which is not based on state borders and never has been.
If you're arbitrarily nuking New York voters for having the audacity to be numerous, you need to destroy the entire Northeast Corridor.
Oh but only the actual parts of the Northeast Corridor in New York to begin with, just downstate. Have to count those stalwart Real Americans of Upstate.
Wow its almost like state borders are a hilariously irrelevant way of even attempting your argument, your argument which is to begin with all about how great the electoral college is.
You can't expect to have a discussion in good faith when you're condescending and insulting towards people who have done nothing to provoke you.
A "good faith" discussion is one where the discussion is real, and doesn't have any party acting like unpaid used car salesmen pushing a product.
If you subtract the the largest states in the union (NY, TX, CA) from their vote totals you end up with:
Donald Trump: 51,461,631
Hillary Clinton: 49,825,820
Wow, it's almost like arbitrarily excluding three states that make up a quarter of the population of the United States makes a big difference in the numbers.
The <500 good hardworking salt-of-the-earth white people in Arthur County, Nebraska, need to have their needs elevated above the near-10 million elitist smug liberal city dwellers in Los Angeles County.
