@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

Also aside from that, why isn't Ryokugyu going after a Warlord in the first place

Because he acts like an arrogant delinquent? He was in Wano on his own intitiative, not because of orders from above,and he clearly doesn't seem all that prudent a person. It's possible that he was kept on standby along with some Pacifistas for a possible occupation of Wano

Also why not send Garp and Sengoku

Theres a big difference between escort missions or attending meetings and actively engaging in combat missions. Even in Dressrosa, Sengoku was just relaxing without a care in the world. I honestly agree that their "retirement" is pretty iffy and weird, but I doubt they have any intention of being active anymore. Esp Garp, I doubt he'd just blindly obey Akainu or the WG

Wasn't it said that the Marines are the WG's 'organization' (for the lack of a better word) on the sea. And that stuff like kerfuffle between other countries or dealing with the Revolutionary Army is not their domain?

I don't think so. In fact just in 1054 someone says we cant let Revolutionaries keep running checked. For better or for worse, Marines are the only conseqential military associated with WG. Cipher Pol is not really a military unit, and is in fact less equipped to deal with revolutions or war

I'm quite sure that there's very strong personal feelings involved.

Sure but I doubt personal feelings alone can decide leadership in a military organisation. I doubt they could have something like a duel for leadership if there was unaninimity between the govt and Navy HQ. If the Navy was independent, then Aokiji would be Admiral

Sending out people who cannot handle it makes them look just as incompetent.

Maybe. But letting them camp cosily in plain sight would not be that much better

I'll be frank here, I was wondering why everyone was going about cloning, because I thought that that Serpahim girl was somehow a relative of her modified to become a human weapon or something, then i realised that the other Serpahim is assumedly a clone of Mihawk.

Frankly, the more interesting part to me isn't the cloning, but the Lunarian characteristics. Ignoring the process, I really wonder why the WG is so hellbent on using Lunarian powers. Maybe it's time to re-read Enel's coverstory, it could probably be very important. And thinking back, the fact that they have black wings, unlike Skypieans with white wings, is also very interesting. I just rewatched Impel Down and Marineford arcs, and I noticed Whitebeard's diaolgue of "you may eradicate his bloodlines, but their flames will never die" may be referring to literal flames. Given that we just got to know Joyboy was apparently a God, the Lunarian clones being called Seraph is very interesting.

It was a good chapter, but honestly I agree with the others, the editing is very weird and choppy as we jump around awkwardly. I have no problems with Yamato's choice and decision, many people saw that coming, and we now know that the WG is serious about capturing. Protecting Wano is important, and Momo has a long way to go before he is able to do that, he just aged up 20 years after all. But as others have pointed out, the way it's done here is pretty weird. This flashback should have been there in the previous chapters itself.

About Hancock vs Blackbeard, it's pretty simple. Blackbeard says that the combination of her Mero-Mero power and her beauty can't normally be resisted by any man. He was somehow able to block/dodge her powers(probably with Haki), but he thinks if gets hit directly even he would be KO'ed. That fact makes him very very wary, and so of course he doesn't react all Lovey-Dovey with her. Heck, he was willing to kill her from the beginning, so it is obvious that his ruthlessness is not affected just because he acknowledges her beauty

@Captain-M said in Chapter 1059: The Matter Involving Captain Koby:

Like Momo waiting for the opportune moment to open the country instead of doing it right away, Yamato can honour his legacy and will without following his exact footsteps.

Good point. It also sorta counts as character growth for Yamato, because he is finally taking decisions basing on what he wants to do, rather than what Oden would do

The Seraphim are a development I absolutely love. It feels like things that were hinted at for years are finally coming together. Bloodline element research, cloning, autonomous pirate-hunting androids with knock-off devil fruit powers, the gigantification of children, research on Lunarians, the power of the Seven Warlords - all these precedents set across so many shady scientist characters come together to make the Seraphim a logical extension of the existing plot.

You know, when you put it like that, they seem like the logical conclusion for all the buildup we have seen

It stands out to me that Blackbeard instantly recognises the Lunarian traits in the Seraphim. That's some pretty hush-hush stuff with big historical implications. What does he know?

Good point. I doubt his comments about the skin color and wings is just from surprise. He definitely knows about Lunarians

As fun as his arrival is (and terrifying, with the conversation between Vasco and Devon), I do have to wonder about Blackbeard's actual plan. Hancock's fruit has the potential to be incredibly broken in the right hands, but did he really not know he doesn't have those? He could maybe give it to Maki or Tori, the girls he was hanging with in the first Wano intermission (given that the Vivre Card databook canonised them as members of the crew), they seem cute enough to get a little use out of it. Or maybe, given how easily Hancock would be able to take out two of his officers and so many others, he just wanted to take a powerful fruit out of the hands of any potential rivals. There's no shortage of next stops for someone who wants to take nigh-unstoppable fruits off the board. Too bad for Sugar in that case.

That's true. I'm just rolling with the theory that Teach has become an obsessed collector of devil fruits at thispoint, and disregards their effectiveness or compatibility with his personnel. He just thinks it's a neat power and wants it with him. I mean, it was one of the first things we learnt about him in the timeskip

I'll be frank here, I was wondering why everyone was going about cloning, because I thought that that Serpahim girl was somehow a relative of her modified to become a human weapon or something, then i realised that the other Serpahim is assumedly a clone of Mihawk.

Frankly, the more interesting part to me isn't the cloning, but the Lunarian characteristics. Ignoring the process, I really wonder why the WG is so hellbent on using Lunarian powers. Maybe it's time to re-read Enel's coverstory, it could probably be very important. And thinking back, the fact that they have black wings, unlike Skypieans with white wings, is also very interesting. I just rewatched Impel Down and Marineford arcs, and I noticed Whitebeard's diaolgue of "you may eradicate his bloodlines, but their flames will never die" may be referring to literal flames. Given that we just got to know Joyboy was apparently a God, the Lunarian clones being called Seraph is very interesting.

It was a good chapter, but honestly I agree with the others, the editing is very weird and choppy as we jump around awkwardly. I have no problems with Yamato's choice and decision, many people saw that coming, and we now know that the WG is serious about capturing. Protecting Wano is important, and Momo has a long way to go before he is able to do that, he just aged up 20 years after all. But as others have pointed out, the way it's done here is pretty weird. This flashback should have been there in the previous chapters itself.

About Hancock vs Blackbeard, it's pretty simple. Blackbeard says that the combination of her Mero-Mero power and her beauty can't normally be resisted by any man. He was somehow able to block/dodge her powers(probably with Haki), but he thinks if gets hit directly even he would be KO'ed. That fact makes him very very wary, and so of course he doesn't react all Lovey-Dovey with her. Heck, he was willing to kill her from the beginning, so it is obvious that his ruthlessness is not affected just because he acknowledges her beauty

@Captain-M said in Chapter 1059: The Matter Involving Captain Koby:

Like Momo waiting for the opportune moment to open the country instead of doing it right away, Yamato can honour his legacy and will without following his exact footsteps.

Good point. It also sorta counts as character growth for Yamato, because he is finally taking decisions basing on what he wants to do, rather than what Oden would do

The Seraphim are a development I absolutely love. It feels like things that were hinted at for years are finally coming together. Bloodline element research, cloning, autonomous pirate-hunting androids with knock-off devil fruit powers, the gigantification of children, research on Lunarians, the power of the Seven Warlords - all these precedents set across so many shady scientist characters come together to make the Seraphim a logical extension of the existing plot.

You know, when you put it like that, they seem like the logical conclusion for all the buildup we have seen

It stands out to me that Blackbeard instantly recognises the Lunarian traits in the Seraphim. That's some pretty hush-hush stuff with big historical implications. What does he know?

Good point. I doubt his comments about the skin color and wings is just from surprise. He definitely knows about Lunarians

As fun as his arrival is (and terrifying, with the conversation between Vasco and Devon), I do have to wonder about Blackbeard's actual plan. Hancock's fruit has the potential to be incredibly broken in the right hands, but did he really not know he doesn't have those? He could maybe give it to Maki or Tori, the girls he was hanging with in the first Wano intermission (given that the Vivre Card databook canonised them as members of the crew), they seem cute enough to get a little use out of it. Or maybe, given how easily Hancock would be able to take out two of his officers and so many others, he just wanted to take a powerful fruit out of the hands of any potential rivals. There's no shortage of next stops for someone who wants to take nigh-unstoppable fruits off the board. Too bad for Sugar in that case.

That's true. I'm just rolling with the theory that Teach has become an obsessed collector of devil fruits at thispoint, and disregards their effectiveness or compatibility with his personnel. He just thinks it's a neat power and wants it with him. I mean, it was one of the first things we learnt about him in the timeskip

@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

The last part confuses me a bit. You disagree that the WG has other troops than the Marines but then you say it's likely that they have more cards. Isn't that self contradictory?

The cards here can refer to a very many things aside from soldiers or an organisation large enough to operate across the globe. Pacifistas are already an example. This could include some Devil fruit related stuff, or maybe something related to the ancient weapons. It could be anything really, Im is just too creepy to rule anything out

And secondly, I specifically said they won't have anymore public troops. Even if they have strong individuals in say Cipher Pol or the recently mentioned Holy Knights or somewhere else, if they haven't made them public, it's for a reason. That decision may be stupid, but if the WG were smart rulers things wouldn't be such a mess in the first place

Right you are but that only makes them even look less incompetent if they can't keep their people in check.

Considering the stunt Fujitora pulled in Dressroa, it's a bit late for that lol

so it totally is something worth reactivating those guys for again albeit only for a short time. Also animosities towards Akainu aside, I don't think that this would be a mission that Garp really would have moral issues with.

In the end it's up to them, WG can't really coerce them a this point. And for whatever reasons, they have decided to retire and hang up their boots. It's true that the situation is so chaotic that they could decide to take action once more, but I have a feeling that's unlikely, at least for Garp.

True that, but the Revolutionaries operate on land and on sea. It's not a stretch to believe that there are revolutionaries that might have never even sailed out to see and rather fight guerilla wars locally. It makes no sense for the WG to not have any a military branch that specializes in not naval matters.

The marines operate on land as well, they are not restricted to the oceans. Besides, if there was a separate military unit of the WG that's publically known, we should have heard of it. And we haven't, which means Navy should be the only one. And which is understandable, given the nature of the OP world.

If anything, I'd find it weird if such an organisation suddenly pops up, out of the blue. From what I understand, the only other military organisations would be the individual country's armies. WG is likely to have more cards up their sleeves, and they are likely to only show them when they want to

@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

Also aside from that, why isn't Ryokugyu going after a Warlord in the first place

Because he acts like an arrogant delinquent? He was in Wano on his own intitiative, not because of orders from above,and he clearly doesn't seem all that prudent a person. It's possible that he was kept on standby along with some Pacifistas for a possible occupation of Wano

Also why not send Garp and Sengoku

Theres a big difference between escort missions or attending meetings and actively engaging in combat missions. Even in Dressrosa, Sengoku was just relaxing without a care in the world. I honestly agree that their "retirement" is pretty iffy and weird, but I doubt they have any intention of being active anymore. Esp Garp, I doubt he'd just blindly obey Akainu or the WG

Wasn't it said that the Marines are the WG's 'organization' (for the lack of a better word) on the sea. And that stuff like kerfuffle between other countries or dealing with the Revolutionary Army is not their domain?

I don't think so. In fact just in 1054 someone says we cant let Revolutionaries keep running checked. For better or for worse, Marines are the only conseqential military associated with WG. Cipher Pol is not really a military unit, and is in fact less equipped to deal with revolutions or war

I'm quite sure that there's very strong personal feelings involved.

Sure but I doubt personal feelings alone can decide leadership in a military organisation. I doubt they could have something like a duel for leadership if there was unaninimity between the govt and Navy HQ. If the Navy was independent, then Aokiji would be Admiral

Sending out people who cannot handle it makes them look just as incompetent.

Maybe. But letting them camp cosily in plain sight would not be that much better

@Ivotas said in Chapter 1058: New Emperors:

But considering all valid arguments just brought about the chaos the WG is dealing right now, it is even a more ridiculous move to send precious troops on suicide missions that accomplish nothing but reducing the number of your resources.

Firstly, I very much doubt this is a "suicide mission". Yeah they probably are not gonna capture the shichibukai but I really doubt that they are so weak that they are gonna get easily obliterated, esp in One Piece world where killing someone takes much more effort than simply defeating them. The shichibukai would also avoid mass slaughter unless they want to go to war against the marines

Secondly, they have to send someone, even if for appearance's sake. They can't let the shichibukai lead a cosy and carefree life in full plain view now that the system's been abolished. An objective they did succeed in, considering that Mihawk had to pack up and leave from his home.

You make a point that the marines can be sent elsewhere more effectively, but not sending anyone would have political fallout. In the end, Akainu is not 100% independent.

Honestly the reason the WG agreed to the proposal to send shichibukai system remains unknown. They may want to keep it that way, and ensure that the power they have confidence in doesn't become public.

Edit: just remembered that Akainu became Fleet Admiral because the government Higher ups wanted it. Aokiji had Sengoku's recommendation, along with the support of his subordinates like Smoker. So people shouldn't expect too much independence with respect to the govt from him

I think people are forgetting that absolute chaotic state of affairs right now in the whole world, and especially more so in the Grand Line. Two Yonkou's who were once part of the same team, teamed up. That alone should warrant warning bells ringing throughout Navy HQ. Shanks and Whitebeard merely making contact was enough to panic even the Gorousei. On top of that, they are on Wano along with a bunch of other very strong newcomers. There was a gigantic fiasco in Levely just around the same time as the announcement of the disbandment of the Shichibukai system. Kuma was freed, and he was an important asset for the govt as not only a Shichibukai, but also as the prototype for the new human weapon project. Then there was the political fallout of the alleged murder of Cobra, and the destruction of Celestial Dragons's symbol. And apparently there were revolutions in 8 nations after the Reverie. Then you always have Blackbeard gaining power and influence by hunting for Devil Fruits.

Amid all this chaos, Nave HQ is no position to dedicate all their time and resources to hunting down all the Shichbukai, even if Akainu was hellbent on killing them. And as pointed out by access timeco, he wasn't hellbent on killing the warlords. He has no qualms getting his hands dirty to get the job done, and having 7 dangerous pirates as neutral towards the govt was exactly that. Prioritising the shichibukai instead of the more problematic Yonkou is not feasible right now. Not to mention if Wano's gates had been opened, Gorousei had intended to send a large force to occupy it, and honestly who knows how strong that force would have been.

Even previously, former shichibukai like crocodile *and jinbei were roaming free after escaping, and were not deemed a priority

To chime in on the crew dynamics debate, I think the major problem is that there is not enough space showcasing the SH relaxing, chilling and hanging around. They just finished one of the longest(even in-story) and hardest fight of their lives, and yet we get less post-battle screentime for than even in arcs like Thriller Bark, Alabasta or even Fishman Island. We get 6 epilogue chapters, and majority is filled up by meta, non-strawhat characters and story elements.

I just caught up the last 23 chapters(everything in 2022), and I did enjoyed the Luffy vs Kaido fight, but the cramped post-battle scenes and the reveal about Gomu-Gomu no don't sit well with me. I am guessing people really love the meta worldbuilding parts so there don't seem to be that many complaints, and I can understand that, but the SH getting some non-battle screentime is important as well. I feel Oda is compensating for Wano's long length ,but it feels to me like misplaced priorities. We already had 140 chapters in Wano, getting 3-4 extra chapters after that is not such a big deal.

Overall though, I wonder how many more islands we are gonna go to now. At first I thought we are only gonna get one more arc so maybe we will go to one more island before the endgame kicks in, but thinking on it we could also eschew convention and go to multiple islands, with each island getting only a mini-arc,sorta like Reverse Mountain or Whiskey Peaks.

Not even getting into the whole nami things. Not only is it a bit late to be complaining about that now, but given that it is Nami's job to navigate and set the course, her anger is 100% justifiable in this case.

@Robby:

It had good pacing for the first three years. It was good up until Alabasta, which is when they pretty much ate the first few years buffer and caught up. they'd hada few standalone filler episodes up till then, notable fleshing out Logue Town and having Ace spend soem tiem with the group (and Apis) but not a whole lot of filler overall.

It got iffy but still watchable during Skypeia, which is when they switched from two chapters per episode to 1.5, then outride bad during Water 7 when it went down to 1. And ewwww the filler they did during the Foxy arc. I stopped watching long before it got to Thriller Bark but I remember the complaints being pretty heavy for it at the time.

The pacign being good for the first 130 episodes and then bad to awful for the next 400 is not in any way "not that bad most of pre-timeskip."

Even with 1.5 chapters, the pacing would have been double of what it it currently is, so it is not wrong to say that pre-timeskip pacing was much better. 1 chapter per episode became standard during Thriller Bark, but IMO Thriller Bark and Saobandy still did a much better job with that pacing than what Fishman Island and Punk Hazard did. I haven't watched Impel Down and Marineford in ages, but I think they may be the only arcs Pre-Timesekip, along with Foxy ofc, where the quality of the anime is just terrible. Otherwise it's still decent enough coming from Toei.

Honestly I think the argument of seasonal vs yearly is not that important. You can do a much better job of making a long-running anime series, and this has been shown by all the other shounen adaptations. But for that you have to actually decide to move away from the ancient DBZ working style. You can either make long fillers like Naruto, or you can the route of HunterXHunter or Fairy Tail and stop broadcasting for some time

Even with seasonal anime, if the producers decided to make 25 episodes every year, that'd easily convert to 50+ chapters that get made in the year. The problem is that the producers may not approve 25 episodes per year. Honestly the days are long gone when you can pass off episodes with a meagre content of just 15-30 pages and expect people to become interested. But I am guessing the current model still works financially for whatever reasons, so I have no hopes

This is a great episode. The direction is phenomenal, and honestly is more amazing than even some of the earlier One Piece episodes. I especially liked the flashback of Ace,Sabo and Luffy making their declarations, and the Ace's parting with Yamato was just a visual spectacle. I definitely liked this more than the previous Ishitani episode. The last episode I watched completely was 1000, and saying I was disappointed would be putting it mildly. So I didn't have a lot of expectations, and so this was a pleasant surprise.
Honestly I don't think 1 or 2 episodes make the anime equal to or better than seasonal shows or movies, and I do think some of the praise is a bit exaggerated. But the main strength of Ishitani episodes is how they basically create great screentime out of practically scraps of content, being able to make even flashbacks and padding as visually appealing.

@Robby:

No one wants or expects an epic 4 chapter fight for the minks to get extreme focus, but even a tiny bit after literal years of build up? Heck, if we'd seen Jack fighting the mink army 30 chapters ago and gotten that taste there, it'd be alleviated. Instead of gettign 7 chapters ina row of Luffy running up stairs and facing off against another comedy zoan design.

Or, conversely, if Cat and Dog hadn't gone sulong a couple chapters ago, then had it turned off, then turned on again… if THIS chapter the cliffhanger was them finally getting that power up with the promise of next chapter being a bit of their skirmish and then the same finishers? It'd be fine.

agreed with this.

I really liked the chapter. And I do think the sky splitting was just awesome. Momo facing upto Kaido and biting him down like that was pretty well done imo. And the final panels of the minks' fights were nice as well. But it was really badly paced. Esp Perospero needed some badly needed panel time here. As Robby said, the start of the Raid had wasted a lot of time, and now it's ill effects are being felt here